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2012-03-14 10:55:14 AM
I'm really curious to live just a day in the life of the sort of person for whom this represents a passionate issue.
 
2012-03-14 11:17:29 AM

Pocket Ninja: I'm really curious to live just a day in the life of the sort of person for whom this represents a passionate issue.


Not me. The passion for the series was completely burned out in one fell swoop.

Imagine if, at the end of Return of the Jedi, Luke flies out of the Death Star, and in a ridiculously pointless display of deus ex machina, Endor's sun goes supernova and every single character in the series is killed, making the actions of the characters completely moot. That's fun.
 
2012-03-14 11:20:26 AM

kingoomieiii: Pocket Ninja: I'm really curious to live just a day in the life of the sort of person for whom this represents a passionate issue.

Not me. The passion for the series was completely burned out in one fell swoop.

Imagine if, at the end of Return of the Jedi, Luke flies out of the Death Star, and in a ridiculously pointless display of deus ex machina, Endor's sun goes supernova and every single character in the series is killed, making the actions of the characters completely moot. That's fun.


At least all those damn ewoks would die horribly.
 
2012-03-14 11:22:40 AM
I'm sticking with the Indoctrination Theory (pops) to explain the ending. With this it makes a hell of a lot of sense and would be badass of Bioware to actually pull (indoctrinating your own players over 5 years).

And anyone who hasn't played the game yet, I can guarantee there will be spoilers in this thread, so tread lightly.
 
2012-03-14 11:28:24 AM

Cythraul: At least all those damn ewoks would die horribly.


Oh, and double fun, the combined military might of the entire galaxy is stranded over a war-ravaged earth with no way to leave. Solving all those problems and bringing long-time enemies together in friendship really worked out for all involved, and totally wasn't a huge waste of time.

Fallout 4, developed by Bioware- immediately before the final confrontation, your character, out of nowhere, has a fatal aneurysm. And all your saved games are deleted.

Yes, I mad.
 
2012-03-14 11:30:10 AM

scottydoesntknow: I'm sticking with the Indoctrination Theory (pops) to explain the ending.


Think the internet is flipping its shiat now? Watch what happens if Bioware tries to sell a 'real' ending as DLC.
 
2012-03-14 11:31:44 AM
So they say in the statement that they don't want to come across as entitled and the developers have every right to end the game as they see fit, but they start a petition to change the ending cause they didn't like it?
 
2012-03-14 11:33:47 AM

kingoomieiii: scottydoesntknow: I'm sticking with the Indoctrination Theory (pops) to explain the ending.

Think the internet is flipping its shiat now? Watch what happens if Bioware tries to sell a 'real' ending as DLC.


You think so? People praised Fallout 3's Broken Steel DLC because it fixed the crappy, nonsensical hard-ending.
 
2012-03-14 11:33:54 AM

kingoomieiii: scottydoesntknow: I'm sticking with the Indoctrination Theory (pops) to explain the ending.

Think the internet is flipping its shiat now? Watch what happens if Bioware tries to sell a 'real' ending as DLC.


That would be so awesome. If they do that, they should rename their company to Trollware and change their logo to the Troll-face.
 
2012-03-14 11:34:00 AM

alwaysjaded: So they say in the statement that they don't want to come across as entitled and the developers have every right to end the game as they see fit, but they start a petition to change the ending cause they didn't like it?


I fail to see why people (including journalists) are acting like it's the absolute height of crass rudeness to ask.
 
2012-03-14 11:36:12 AM

scottydoesntknow: kingoomieiii: scottydoesntknow: I'm sticking with the Indoctrination Theory (pops) to explain the ending.

Think the internet is flipping its shiat now? Watch what happens if Bioware tries to sell a 'real' ending as DLC.

You think so? People praised Fallout 3's Broken Steel DLC because it fixed the crappy, nonsensical hard-ending.


Bioware has already taken a dumptruck full of shiat over charging $10 on day one for a character composed entirely of lore bombs.

Cythraul: they should rename their company to Trollware


How about just call it "EA"?
 
2012-03-14 11:37:17 AM

scottydoesntknow: I'm sticking with the Indoctrination Theory (pops) to explain the ending. With this it makes a hell of a lot of sense and would be badass of Bioware to actually pull (indoctrinating your own players over 5 years).

And anyone who hasn't played the game yet, I can guarantee there will be spoilers in this thread, so tread lightly.


That was utter trash. it doesn't count for a half dozen of the endings, and reaches pretty far to reach the conclusion. The fact that the Reapers leave and allow life to continue regardless of the ending you pick invalidates his whole argument.
 
2012-03-14 11:38:23 AM

kingoomieiii: Cythraul: they should rename their company to Trollware

How about just call it "EA"?


(uses his Mexican sports announcer voice)

GOOOOAAAAAAAAL!
 
2012-03-14 11:40:05 AM

kingoomieiii: alwaysjaded: So they say in the statement that they don't want to come across as entitled and the developers have every right to end the game as they see fit, but they start a petition to change the ending cause they didn't like it?

I fail to see why people (including journalists) are acting like it's the absolute height of crass rudeness to ask.


Sure, no harm in asking but that still sounds a little having it both ways. Kinda like "I don't mean to be racists but...." Go nuts. It's your money. But if this works how long before we see a Star Wars SuperPAC?
 
2012-03-14 11:42:12 AM
Step 1: Boycott the game
Step 2: Whine about the ending (what happened to the boycott???)
Step 3: Charity!
 
2012-03-14 11:42:28 AM

alwaysjaded: Kinda like "I don't mean to be racists but...."


"The ending was terrible, and we'd like you to change it. Obviously you don't have to, and probably won't, but here's how much support we have."
 
2012-03-14 11:42:51 AM
That was a wretched non ending to what is one of the best game series ever made.

I really hope they pull a Fallout and fix it.
 
2012-03-14 11:44:31 AM

adamgreeney: scottydoesntknow: I'm sticking with the Indoctrination Theory (pops) to explain the ending. With this it makes a hell of a lot of sense and would be badass of Bioware to actually pull (indoctrinating your own players over 5 years).

And anyone who hasn't played the game yet, I can guarantee there will be spoilers in this thread, so tread lightly.

That was utter trash. it doesn't count for a half dozen of the endings, and reaches pretty far to reach the conclusion. The fact that the Reapers leave and allow life to continue regardless of the ending you pick invalidates his whole argument.


Did you even play the game? The Reapers die at the end of the (supposedly) renegade choice of shooting the catalyst. The space ones blow up and the ones on earth shut down and collapse completely.

There are quite a few loose ends in the indoctrination theory, sure, but at least pick an argument that you might have a leg to stand on.
 
2012-03-14 11:55:56 AM
I gotten 3 yet, I'll wait till they sort out all the DLC and don't ask $60 for it. I'll pick it up on eBay soon enough for 5.

Anyway, if you didn't play #1 & 2 without Shepard being a super biatchy female, you haven't played Mass Effect. Male Shepard sucks.
 
2012-03-14 11:56:10 AM

scottydoesntknow: adamgreeney: scottydoesntknow: I'm sticking with the Indoctrination Theory (pops) to explain the ending. With this it makes a hell of a lot of sense and would be badass of Bioware to actually pull (indoctrinating your own players over 5 years).

And anyone who hasn't played the game yet, I can guarantee there will be spoilers in this thread, so tread lightly.

That was utter trash. it doesn't count for a half dozen of the endings, and reaches pretty far to reach the conclusion. The fact that the Reapers leave and allow life to continue regardless of the ending you pick invalidates his whole argument.

Did you even play the game? The Reapers die at the end of the (supposedly) renegade choice of shooting the catalyst. The space ones blow up and the ones on earth shut down and collapse completely.

There are quite a few loose ends in the indoctrination theory, sure, but at least pick an argument that you might have a leg to stand on.


Yes. I've played through a few times now. Yea, you destroy the Reapers through one ending, but the other endings all end with them leaving, ending the cycle that ruled them. Organic life continues. Synthesis also ends the Reapers, since they are no longer Reapers, but something new. They would have to destroy themselves or give up the mission to destroy organic life.

The endings are all awful. There is no real resolution, no wrap up of characters or anything. And there are only 2 options that allow Shepard to live, which require a lot of multi player to get (also an issue), but even those have no real resolution.

Now, I'm upset at the ending. However, it isn't my game. If that is how they envisioned it, then it should stand. If they could patch in something explaining what happened to the universe and the characters I grew to love, great. If not, it is still an amazing series.
 
2012-03-14 11:56:31 AM
^haven't
 
2012-03-14 12:15:17 PM

adamgreeney: Yes. I've played through a few times now. Yea, you destroy the Reapers through one ending, but the other endings all end with them leaving, ending the cycle that ruled them. Organic life continues. Synthesis also ends the Reapers, since they are no longer Reapers, but something new. They would have to destroy themselves or give up the mission to destroy organic life


The Reapers still exist so the threat still exists. That's why both of those other endings are not good choices and also why Shepard dies entirely in both. Destroying it (and doing enough to keep Earth (read: your body) intact) is the only way to have the little cutscene of Shepard's body and a breath.

adamgreeney: The endings are all awful. There is no real resolution, no wrap up of characters or anything. And there are only 2 options that allow Shepard to live, which require a lot of multi player to get (also an issue), but even those have no real resolution.


Agree 100%. A few color swaps for the explosions and character swaps for the Normandy crash does not make a good ending, or multiple endings. And you're also right about the multiplayer, it does play a lot into it, much more than they let on.

adamgreeney: Now, I'm upset at the ending. However, it isn't my game. If that is how they envisioned it, then it should stand. If they could patch in something explaining what happened to the universe and the characters I grew to love, great. If not, it is still an amazing series.


Yep, that was also my biggest issue. No resolution with the people you've played with for 5 years. Did I get to have blue babies with Liara? Did the Geth/Quarian truce truly last. Did the Krogan squander their second chance and try to take over the galaxy again? No answers, just more questions.
 
2012-03-14 12:37:17 PM

Confabulat: Anyway, if you didn't play #1 & 2 without Shepard being a super biatchy female, you haven't played Mass Effect. Male Shepard sucks.


I like how Male Shepard says "aboot"
 
2012-03-14 12:38:14 PM
If anyone has a little extra 'donation money' available, after getting the video game fixed, I can recommend International Rescue Committee (new window) as an excellent place to give.

Helping resettle refugees - in this pic a family loses their home in Syria
img513.imageshack.us

Helping lessen the impact of drought, famine, and war in East Africa
img812.imageshack.us

They have also provide medical assistance and have helped resettle refugees (almost half of which are children) from Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, Haiti, Japan...
 
2012-03-14 12:38:28 PM

scottydoesntknow: Yep, that was also my biggest issue. No resolution with the people you've played with for 5 years. Did I get to have blue babies with Liara? Did the Geth/Quarian truce truly last. Did the Krogan squander their second chance and try to take over the galaxy again? No answers, just more questions.


This bugged me more than the final choice.

I could live with the organic/synthetic meshing if it showed what happened to everyone else.
 
2012-03-14 12:43:15 PM
White.

People.

Problems.
 
2012-03-14 12:43:40 PM
Write some fanfic, whiners.
 
2012-03-14 12:44:44 PM

snowjack: If anyone has a little extra 'donation money' available, after getting the video game fixed, I can recommend International Rescue Committee (new window) as an excellent place to give.

Helping resettle refugees - in this pic a family loses their home in Syria
[img513.imageshack.us image 517x239]

Helping lessen the impact of drought, famine, and war in East Africa
[img812.imageshack.us image 260x291]

They have also provide medical assistance and have helped resettle refugees (almost half of which are children) from Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, Haiti, Japan...


You'd probably do a lot better in this thread if you photoshopped some Reapers or husks into the background.
 
2012-03-14 12:44:48 PM
I'll just leave this here:

i248.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-14 12:46:14 PM
I will shiat my pants with both delight and rage if they pull a Broken Steel. Unfortunately, there's too much that needs fixing for a Broken Steel to resolve the herpderp that is the current ending. Never mind the fact that, at the moment, the hinting suggests any and all DLC, barring a Broken Steel, is supposed to occur right before you assault Cerberus? Way to kill the tension and sense of urgency. "What's that? All the local systems are overrun with Reapers? fark that, I need to go traipsing off with Aria to rescue Omega/do some other heroic thing/etc."
 
2012-03-14 12:47:12 PM
Loved the game, liked the ending. Get over yourselves, nerds. Or shut up and stop buying the games. Pretty simple solution if you ask me.
 
2012-03-14 12:49:13 PM

scottydoesntknow:
Yep, that was also my biggest issue. No resolution with the people you've played with for 5 years. Did I get to have blue babies with Liara? Did the Geth/Quarian truce truly last. Did the Krogan squander their second chance and try to take over the galaxy again? No answers, just more questions.


Well, it won't help with the first question, but for the rest, they've already said they plan a ME4, 5 & 6 (at least) - just without Shepard. So the answers to those questions will likely be either part of the stories, or dealt with in backstory. Frankly, I wouldn't expect the ending to deal with issues that aren't immediately evident. I would expect it to at least deal with the characters that you've had serious interactions with during the story - your crew, Hackett, etc.
 
2012-03-14 12:50:02 PM
So, they wrote themselves into a corner and had to roach-scurry their way out?
 
2012-03-14 12:50:45 PM
Bioware should not change the ending just to encourage more donations.
 
2012-03-14 12:51:08 PM

HulkHands: Step 1: Boycott the game
Step 2: Whine about the ending (what happened to the boycott???)
Step 3: Charity!


I know. It's the thing that pisses me off about video gamers in general, the complete and utter lack of spine. I'm not even going to deal with the issue of said children (and I don't care if they are 18+ they're acting like it so they can be it) using it as a justification to pirate the game.

Boycott. It means you DO WITHOUT THE SHINY. You don't steal (I am aware that Copyright Infringement is not theft) it! You get as many people as you can to NOT BUY IT.

I don't own any of the Assassin's Creed games, because I disagree with Ubisoft's stance on DRM, I won't be buying Mass Effect 3 until the issue around Javik and more importantly Origin are dealt with and resolved. My TOR account is flying on its remaining game time. If they aren't ever resolved then EA and it's subsidiaries get ZERO money from me.

Despite seeing torrents for ME3 I have not clicked those links.

Boycott is Boycott.
 
2012-03-14 12:52:54 PM
i1047.photobucket.com

/how about taking that $34K and spending it on something that actually matters?
 
2012-03-14 12:53:30 PM

Passive Aggressive Larry: Loved the game, liked the ending. Get over yourselves, nerds. Or shut up and stop buying the games. Pretty simple solution if you ask me.


You play video games?

www.demotivationalposters.org
 
2012-03-14 12:53:59 PM

Passive Aggressive Larry: Loved the game, liked the ending. Get over yourselves, nerds. Or shut up and stop buying the games. Pretty simple solution if you ask me.


Living up to your Fark handle in fine fashion there.
 
2012-03-14 12:55:10 PM
Not to mention various other issues.

Spoilers Ahead.


1) if all the mass relays are destroyed, how many billions that depend on food shipments from agriworlds will starve to death now? Note: they are destroyed in all 3 of the main endings.

2) Why was the normandy already fleeing earth? Perhaps the most useful ship in the combined navy just... left at the most important part of the battle for civilization itself?

3) Why were liara and EDI on the normandy? they were my final squadmates, and i saw them get blown to fark and back. Suddenly they are ok, millions of miles away with Joker? Whuh?

4) Why did none of my choices make a difference on my ending possibilities--apparently you have to do every single side mission and quest if you aren't playing multiplayer to get the 4th, "good" ending? You mean to tell me that getting that one minor object for a member of the citadel defense force (who i assume were all dead by the time the citadel was moved to earth ANYWAY) is the difference between the destruction of civilization as we know it, and triumph?

All kinds of bad taste in my mouth. And I loved the rest of the game.
 
2012-03-14 12:56:19 PM
Wow, if there was ever a 1st world problem, this one is it.
 
2012-03-14 01:00:23 PM
Well, at least playing the game was an enjoyable experience.
Right, guys?

...
Guys?
 
2012-03-14 01:02:58 PM

Passive Aggressive Larry: Loved the game, liked the ending. Get over yourselves, nerds. Or shut up and stop buying the games. Pretty simple solution if you ask me.


I liked the ending too, for about 5 minutes into the credits. Then I started asking myself "Wait....what about everything I just did through 1 and 2?" Then I really started thinking about the entire series as a whole. And it didn't piece together.

My first playthrough of the entire series - I paragon'd Shepard hard on ME1 until the end when I decided I've had enough of the council and renegaded. ME2 I decided to be a badass and thought, heck, Cerberus brought me back to life, I'm going to support the Illusive Man. ME3 I played a pretty straight mix (Had to knockout the reporter, amirite?)

But in ME3, where were the options? Why couldn't I go along with the Illusive Man's plan? Did we even have to be enemies?

I concluded that the writers didn't write a conclusion to the series. They wrote the ending for Mass Effect 3. Look at what affects the ending from the previous games - just whether you saved the collector base or not (which I still have no idea how that actually plays into the ending AT ALL) which I believe was an option no matter what path you took during ME2. Nothing else from the previous games mattered. And that's not how you wrap up a trilogy.

You can see it in the game design as well. There is no consistency in any of it. How you level up, weapon mods, weapon layout. Mass Effect really comes off as a set of games like Final Fantasy or Suikoden rather than a real trilogy
 
2012-03-14 01:04:02 PM

torusXL: Wow, if there was ever a 1st world problem, this one is it.


Wait, wait...I guess I should read the article first. It's money being raised for an actual charity, so that's good.

I was imagining that the money was being raised just for getting the ending changed and was like "wut".
 
2012-03-14 01:04:19 PM
It is a bad ending to a good game series.

I have disliked a lot of ending to many shows/games/movies before.

This was just amore annoying, as the quality of the serie was so great until the last 15 minutes.


BTW - this is the first article I ever had greenlit!
 
2012-03-14 01:06:09 PM
It would take a part 4 in order to explain how everything played out after, and then a part 5 to continue from there. They'll never be able to tie every single thing up with a nice bow in just the last 10 minutes of one game, because there's just so much story and so many variables compared to anything else. They did mention people should keep their save files, so they might make a part 4 which focuses mainly on continuing the stories. Or perhaps they'll just continue the story in an MMO. Everyone demanding to know more about the game world after ME3 is probably a sign of just how engaging a world they created. No one wants to leave.

Although, the thing with the ghost kid and the 3 choices disappointed me. It felt rushed and came out of nowhere. You'd expect after everything there'd be a little more imagination put into things than simply just "walk to one of these 3 places to select your ending".
 
2012-03-14 01:07:25 PM
...as if millions of Fem-Sheps suddenly cried out in biatchiness and punched a tabloid reporter.
 
2012-03-14 01:07:45 PM

scottydoesntknow: snowjack: If anyone has a little extra 'donation money' available, after getting the video game fixed, I can recommend International Rescue Committee (new window) as an excellent place to give.

Helping resettle refugees - in this pic a family loses their home in Syria
[img513.imageshack.us image 517x239]

Helping lessen the impact of drought, famine, and war in East Africa
[img812.imageshack.us image 260x291]

They have also provide medical assistance and have helped resettle refugees (almost half of which are children) from Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, Haiti, Japan...

You'd probably do a lot better in this thread if you photoshopped some Reapers or husks into the background.


I thought this might work better.
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International Rescue Committee. They hold the line.
http://www.rescue.org (new window)
 
2012-03-14 01:11:30 PM

snowjack: scottydoesntknow: snowjack: If anyone has a little extra 'donation money' available, after getting the video game fixed, I can recommend International Rescue Committee (new window) as an excellent place to give.

Helping resettle refugees - in this pic a family loses their home in Syria
[img513.imageshack.us image 517x239]

Helping lessen the impact of drought, famine, and war in East Africa
[img812.imageshack.us image 260x291]

They have also provide medical assistance and have helped resettle refugees (almost half of which are children) from Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, Haiti, Japan...

You'd probably do a lot better in this thread if you photoshopped some Reapers or husks into the background.

I thought this might work better.
[img12.imageshack.us image 562x374]

International Rescue Committee. They hold the line.
http://www.rescue.org (new window)


snowjack: scottydoesntknow: snowjack: If anyone has a little extra 'donation money' available, after getting the video game fixed, I can recommend International Rescue Committee (new window) as an excellent place to give.

Helping resettle refugees - in this pic a family loses their home in Syria
[img513.imageshack.us image 517x239]

Helping lessen the impact of drought, famine, and war in East Africa
[img812.imageshack.us image 260x291]

They have also provide medical assistance and have helped resettle refugees (almost half of which are children) from Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, Haiti, Japan...

You'd probably do a lot better in this thread if you photoshopped some Reapers or husks into the background.

I thought this might work better.
[img12.imageshack.us image 562x374]

International Rescue Committee. They hold the line.
http://www.rescue.org (new window)


I don't have too much money (my play money went to ME3 for the month), but I donated $5 simply because you made me laugh.

Well played and thanks.
 
2012-03-14 01:11:50 PM
Wait. You have to play multiplayer to get the "good" ending? What is this? Bubble Bobble?

Is the gameplay at least pretty fun? If it is I'll get it when it goes on sale, but I won't bother jumping all over it if the story shiats all over everything.
 
2012-03-14 01:14:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: I don't have too much money (my play money went to ME3 for the month), but I donated $5 $10 simply because you made me laugh.

Well played and thanks.


FTFM, minimum is $10.
 
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