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(Slate)   Russian fox taming experiment, which has gone on for 54 years, may end due to lack of funding. Miniature giraffe breeding program is still going strong   (slate.com ) divider line 51
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2012-03-14 11:03:01 AM  
Now are the foxes!
 
2012-03-14 12:00:58 PM  
Idiots need a website to sell their pet foxes. How much do they cost?
 
2012-03-14 01:23:13 PM  
Will this have any effect on the Belarus miniature giant space hamster breeding project, headquartered in Minsk?
 
2012-03-14 01:25:09 PM  
I saw a thing on PBS about this, very interesting experiment.
 
2012-03-14 01:36:07 PM  

Tax Boy: Will this have any effect on the Belarus miniature giant space hamster breeding project, headquartered in Minsk?


They are having trouble keeping the facility staffed with ophthalmologists.
 
2012-03-14 01:36:30 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Idiots need a website to sell their pet foxes. How much do they cost?


The price when I looked in to it (several years ago) was something like $4,000 due to all the paperwork required to bring an "exotic animal" into the US, plus any fees required to be paid locally to get permits to keep one.

Their website (new window) doesn't seem to have that information anymore, and seems to imply they don't sell to the US anymore.

Sibfox.com used to be the source to purchase them in the US, but the website appears to be non-existent these days.
 
2012-03-14 01:40:18 PM  

Tax Boy: Will this have any effect on the Belarus miniature giant space hamster breeding project, headquartered in Minsk?


It's still in high gear
 
2012-03-14 01:41:59 PM  

Impasse: I saw a thing on PBS about this, very interesting experiment.


Agree; very cool experiment with some surprising results.

That said, I can't think of a better thread than this to ask for a Minsk Mink.
 
2012-03-14 01:43:36 PM  

Foundling: Impasse: I saw a thing on PBS about this, very interesting experiment.

Agree; very cool experiment with some surprising results.

That said, I can't think of a better thread than this to ask for a Minsk Mink.


I'd rather have a Minsk Minx
 
2012-03-14 01:45:46 PM  
no systematic socialization and training program has been launched to test the capacity and willingness of the foxes to respond to classic obedience cues-come, sit, down, stay, and settle

"Settle?"
 
2012-03-14 01:46:36 PM  
My girlfriend has wanted one of these for a few months now. somehow a conversation about the fox and the hound ended up resulting in finding that sibfox website and a weekly "can we get a pet fox" conversation.

she's going to be upset that the going rate seems to be about 6 grand.

cute little suckers though.
 
2012-03-14 01:47:09 PM  
www.filolog.com
 
2012-03-14 01:47:28 PM  
I don't think whatever happens with the program in Russia will mean the end of the silver foxes.

I know that researchers in the US have imported them and are working on them as well. I know at least that some people in Cornell in Ithaca are working on them.

People are still really interested in understanding the genes that control behavioral traits, and the foxes are a really good model for this.
 
2012-03-14 01:54:28 PM  

Sybarite: Now are the foxes!


done in one.

/with large american breasts
 
2012-03-14 01:58:01 PM  
Fox news?
 
2012-03-14 01:58:49 PM  
I read about this experiment awhile ago. The sad part is that these animals will not be able to survive in the wilderness on their own. They will die. All of these foxes will probably be euthanized :(
 
2012-03-14 02:03:31 PM  
Everybody love hot Russian foxes.

/Pics, where are they.
 
2012-03-14 02:08:19 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Everybody love hot Russian foxes.

/Pics, where are they.


Came in here wondering the same thing.
 
2012-03-14 02:08:37 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Everybody love hot Russian foxes.

/Pics, where are they.


What a Russian fox might look like.
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-03-14 02:09:46 PM  

Fano: Foundling: Impasse: I saw a thing on PBS about this, very interesting experiment.

Agree; very cool experiment with some surprising results.

That said, I can't think of a better thread than this to ask for a Minsk Mink.

I'd rather have a Minsk Minx


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/hotlinked picture
 
2012-03-14 02:09:54 PM  
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2012-03-14 02:12:48 PM  
I intend to keep on taming the fox for many years.
 
2012-03-14 02:13:04 PM  
I remember reading about this a while ago. Very interesting experiment and interesting results. Especially the body mutations, when comparing these foxes to normal ones, and dogs vs wolves.
 
2012-03-14 02:13:08 PM  
cineplex.media.baselineresearch.com
 
2012-03-14 02:29:01 PM  
I was more saddened by the sentence describing the domesticated foxes crying for attention than the hundreds of them being culled and sold for fur. Seems to me if you're going to create a social animal then deprive it of attention it's somehow more cruel than simply harvesting a wild animal for its fur.
 
2012-03-14 02:36:12 PM  

wild9: I read about this experiment awhile ago. The sad part is that these animals will not be able to survive in the wilderness on their own. They will die. All of these foxes will probably be euthanized :(



Why not?

And I don't have $6k to blow on one, but if they want to send me a kit for science I'll be more than happy to spend a couple months training the lil' feller and see if it takes at all. That thing looked cuuuuuuute! And the noises? OMG, who could resist?!

My dog graduates from advanced obedience classes next week as a matter of fact! 5 months of training with him has made a *huge* difference in his whole disposition. He's like a whole new (awesomer) puppy now. I'm a firm believer in structured training for the little furmonsters now.
 
2012-03-14 02:36:57 PM  
You must think in fox.
 
2012-03-14 02:44:23 PM  
Read about this in Nat Geo while waiting at the dentist's office a couple years ago, and I concur with what others have said that this is a surprisingly fascinating bit of research.

/I especially liked how they tracked how many generations it took for certain specific traits to develop. I remember one such trait was that in pro-human foxes their tail sticks up, similar to a dogs, but a wild or anti/indifferent-human fox will have a lowered tail that almost drags behind them
 
2012-03-14 02:46:33 PM  

mongbiohazard: wild9: I read about this experiment awhile ago. The sad part is that these animals will not be able to survive in the wilderness on their own. They will die. All of these foxes will probably be euthanized :(


Why not?

And I don't have $6k to blow on one, but if they want to send me a kit for science I'll be more than happy to spend a couple months training the lil' feller and see if it takes at all. That thing looked cuuuuuuute! And the noises? OMG, who could resist?!

My dog graduates from advanced obedience classes next week as a matter of fact! 5 months of training with him has made a *huge* difference in his whole disposition. He's like a whole new (awesomer) puppy now. I'm a firm believer in structured training for the little furmonsters now.


I hope you are being sarcastic. Granted they are in the same family as canines so they are naturally scavengers. It really depends on how they were treated during the experiment. 50+ years so around five generations of being domesticated?

It is hard to say how much of their natural survival instinct is still left there.
 
2012-03-14 03:02:55 PM  

wild9: I hope you are being sarcastic. Granted they are in the same family as canines so they are naturally scavengers. It really depends on how they were treated during the experiment. 50+ years so around five generations of being domesticated?

It is hard to say how much of their natural survival instinct is still left there.



Dogs have been domesticated a hell of a lot more than 50 years, are unquestionably domesticated to a greater degree, and they can survive in the wild just fine. In fact... they do survive on their own in the wilderness all around the world in significant numbers. I see no reason to simply assume out of hand that as a subspecies these foxes could no longer survive in the wild.
 
2012-03-14 03:19:21 PM  
Well I farked that up. Yakov would be disappointed.
 
2012-03-14 03:27:45 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com

Now where will Russian midgets work?
 
2012-03-14 03:28:58 PM  

mongbiohazard: wild9: I hope you are being sarcastic. Granted they are in the same family as canines so they are naturally scavengers. It really depends on how they were treated during the experiment. 50+ years so around five generations of being domesticated?

It is hard to say how much of their natural survival instinct is still left there.


Dogs have been domesticated a hell of a lot more than 50 years, are unquestionably domesticated to a greater degree, and they can survive in the wild just fine. In fact... they do survive on their own in the wilderness all around the world in significant numbers. I see no reason to simply assume out of hand that as a subspecies these foxes could no longer survive in the wild.


These foxes were raised in a cage. Their entire life was spent in one. They have no idea how to hide their own poop as it just falls through the bottom of the cage.
 
2012-03-14 03:39:55 PM  

ShawnDoc: Because People in power are Stupid: Idiots need a website to sell their pet foxes. How much do they cost?

The price when I looked in to it (several years ago) was something like $4,000 due to all the paperwork required to bring an "exotic animal" into the US, plus any fees required to be paid locally to get permits to keep one.

Their website (new window) doesn't seem to have that information anymore, and seems to imply they don't sell to the US anymore.

Sibfox.com used to be the source to purchase them in the US, but the website appears to be non-existent these days.


This article explains what happened with Sibfox and the pet program, if you're interested.
 
2012-03-14 03:40:20 PM  

Fano: [25.media.tumblr.com image 352x240]

Now where will Russian midgets work?


I thought they all worked for travelocity
 
2012-03-14 03:40:40 PM  
And they never did get one born with two tails... Not even the Chernobyl group..
 
2012-03-14 03:59:35 PM  

Iggie: This article explains what happened with Sibfox and the pet program, if you're interested.


Good read, thanks. At least it wasn't a complete scam, she got her money refunded when the animals were impounded. Sounds more like someone just got lazy and didn't bother researching all the proper laws/paperwork involved.
 
2012-03-14 04:01:00 PM  
The foxes would be considered fully domesticated only when they obeyed human commands as dogs do. That part of the experiment is still unfinished. No evidence exists to tell us whether the foxes can be trained to override their instincts


...So they are more like cats, then?

/Adapting to understand human commands isn't just natural selection.
/Its the co-evolution of species, since humans have also adapted to understand dogs.
 
2012-03-14 04:07:52 PM  
Cutest Russian Domestic Foxes video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1G2yZMUNUQ
 
2012-03-14 04:12:56 PM  

Mentalpatient87: And they never did get one born with two tails... Not even the Chernobyl group..



Two tails? Phhhh.... Amateur.

i158.photobucket.com

Surprised it took this long...
 
2012-03-14 04:52:24 PM  
 
2012-03-14 06:31:14 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com

/sought for funding
 
2012-03-14 06:36:43 PM  

Mentalpatient87: And they never did get one born with two tails... Not even the Chernobyl group..


If you could give one nine tails, the Japanese would be all over that.
 
2012-03-14 07:29:35 PM  
A domesticated fox would be sweet. You would think they would drop the price a bit. Basic supply and demand, if even for a short period. As people see other people with foxes, demand goes up...
 
Skr
2012-03-14 07:34:38 PM  
I wish I had spare funds to donate. Foxes are pretty awesome and having a domestic around would be cool. As is, the other option are the cute Fennec Foxes but they are just as difficult to get your hands on. A domesticated fox breed would be needed to rewrite some of the exotics laws I think.
 
2012-03-14 08:37:05 PM  
Stop tinkering with nature, I already have an infestation of these...

t2.gstatic.com



Bloody house hippos.
 
2012-03-14 09:24:33 PM  
If I remember correctly, they also bred super-aggressive rats.
 
2012-03-14 11:06:00 PM  
Psychohazard,If I remember correctly, they also bred super-aggressive rats.

I mailed ordered a super-aggressive rat from Russia. I call him snarly. They make great pets once they get to know you, just don't move too quickly around Snarly.
 
2012-03-15 12:14:51 PM  
I know this thread is dead, but 48 comments and no mention of a barrel roll? WTFark people?
 
2012-03-15 04:00:15 PM  

Fano: [25.media.tumblr.com image 352x240]

Now where will Russian midgets work?


Love you for the David the Gnome reference! Swift was the shiat!
 
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