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2012-03-14 01:19:34 PM  

CrazyCracka420: I piss about once an hour at work with the amount of water I drink. Nothing wrong with pissing...


I used to do this. I stopped drinking so much water, it was quite an inconvenience.

CrazyCracka420: /sucks if you have a UTI I'm sure...stop going A2P and see if that stops them from coming back


You're no fun. Just sink wash your junk and get back in the game.
 
2012-03-14 01:19:57 PM  

Riche: Lemme gues.... Middle school.

** checks TFA **

Yep, middle school.


The article I read said the student was a freshman high school student. The first sentence describes the "tenured teacher at a San Diego high school." The second paragraph of the short article even names the high school.

Did you zero in on her age and automatically assume she was a middle school student?
 
2012-03-14 01:21:23 PM  

Riche: Lemme gues.... Middle school.

** checks TFA **

Yep, middle school.

======================

Let me tell you, the whole bathroom pass thing is one of the more exquisite tortures of being a middle school teacher.

Ideally, if a kid needs to go, you just give them a pass, they go, they come back, end of story.

But, to quote Morbo:

Middle school does not work that way!!!

One kid wants to go. You let her. Suddenly, THE WHOLE FREAKING CLASS NEEDS TO GO. They whine. And whine, and whine, and it's ALWAYS an emergency. Some other kids need to go before the first one comes back, often because some kid doesn't come back for 40 minutes, explaining loudly to the class on their return that they had to take a really massive shiat.

Or a kid doesn't come back at all, or is dragged back to class by an angry vice principal because the kid with a bathroom pass has been creating chaos in the halls.

In the end, if you just MS kids go when they want you can forget about getting much teaching done-- you've just signed up to manage a room full of panickng incontinents.

So, you only let them go during an emergency but like I said above it's ALWAYS an emergency, so you're reduced to trying to judge if the kid is acting or not, and praying a truly needy kid doesn't end up crapping/pissing herself because you said no.

It's like you are judging a talent show from hell.


THIS = TRUE
 
2012-03-14 01:23:55 PM  
I had a teacher in grade school that disciplined us when we had to leave to go to the bathroom. It was a three-strike system where your name on the board was a warning, name and a check mark was missed recess time, name and two check marks was a note home. Leaving to use the bathroom was one strike. One day I already had two strikes and decided to fark with the teacher by asking to use the restroom, necessitating a note to be written.

/she let that one fly
//parochial school
 
2012-03-14 01:24:46 PM  

Fano: THIS = TRUE


I also agree. Middle schoolers just might be the vilest creatures on Earth.
 
2012-03-14 01:25:17 PM  
I was 5 years old and had just started kindergarten. We were in Germany, courtesy of the US Army. Of course, to travel overseas, everyone in my family had to get all the immunizations required for overseas travel at the time. All those vaccinations will mess up a kid's bowels.

We were at recess and I had to go to the bathroom - BAD. My teacher was busy jawing with another adult and would not pay attention to me at first, then she told me I had to wait. I waiting as long as I could and then I couldn't wait not one second longer. I had a very messy accident right there on the playground.

I was about as humiliated as a 5 year old girl can be - especially since everybody knew about it and I had to sit on a bench on a paper towel and wait for my mother to come to the school. I have never forgiven that teacher for ignoring me so she could gossip with another teacher.

I don't care who you are or where you are - you do not have the authority to tell me I can't go to the bathroom.
 
2012-03-14 01:25:38 PM  

Junzi Nicuzn:

Did you zero in on her age and automatically assume she was a middle school student?


Yep. exactly that. My bad.

Oh what the hell. It's spring break. I think i'll go sit in the back yard and get drunk. Again.
 
2012-03-14 01:25:54 PM  
And if you're disobedient, I'll take away your bucket.

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2012-03-14 01:25:59 PM  

Jument: As a runner, I drink I metric assload of water and pee constantly. At least once an hour.

As someone with Crohn's and some missing intestine, I also visit the washroom for other business pretty frequently.

So yeah, I sympathize. Some people just need to use the washroom a lot. Such is life.


Missing intestine? Did you look behind the fridge? They love to hide in out of the way places..
 
2012-03-14 01:28:49 PM  
shiat
 
2012-03-14 01:31:24 PM  
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Giggity.
 
2012-03-14 01:31:32 PM  
content.internetvideoarchive.com

Why didn't we think of that?
 
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2012-03-14 01:32:08 PM  
well, obviously this teacher wants to be placed in the "rubber room", where they send unfit teachers to sit all day, do nothing other than continue to recieve full pay and benefits.

GO UNIONS!
 
2012-03-14 01:32:30 PM  

lewismarktwo: Back in forth grade I was denied to go to the bathroom. Later I peed all over the class. After that I could go whenever I wanted.


Like, you whipped it out and peed all over the class?
 
2012-03-14 01:34:13 PM  
Riche:

Wow, something's wrong with your middle school. I never saw this happen when I was in school, and it doesn't seem like it was so long ago. My experience was that the teachers who respected their students got respect back.

\miss diminutive - I'm sure you've heard this before, but always peeing right after sex really does seem to reduce the frequency, presumably by flushing out bacteria before they get a toehold.
 
2012-03-14 01:34:40 PM  
It's funny how when you went to school, you had to have the parents approval to go to the bathroom. U couldn't like physically get out of your seat and open the door.

See what I mean.. Something turn kids into this shiat..
 
2012-03-14 01:36:51 PM  

elffster: Jument: As a runner, I drink I metric assload of water and pee constantly. At least once an hour.

As someone with Crohn's and some missing intestine, I also visit the washroom for other business pretty frequently.

So yeah, I sympathize. Some people just need to use the washroom a lot. Such is life.

Missing intestine? Did you look behind the fridge? They love to hide in out of the way places..


I'm pretty sure I just put it "someplace safe" and forgot where that was. It'll turn up with my keys and wedding right, eventually.
 
2012-03-14 01:37:56 PM  
Buckets to pee in? I have pots at my house.

I hope they did a sweep for hidden cameras.
 
2012-03-14 01:42:11 PM  

SnarfVader: Bear Grylls got a job as a teacher? That was quick.


only part time.

half of the day he secretly stays at a nice hotel near the school.
 
2012-03-14 01:43:13 PM  

Paying_cash_for_Strawmen: Buckets to pee in? I have pots at my house.

I hope they did a sweep for hidden cameras.


I am so poor, I have no such pot.
 
2012-03-14 01:52:17 PM  
The student was instructed to go to another room out of view of classmates, urinate in a bucket and then dump the urine in a sink, according to the claim.

The bucket was unnecessary.

1. turn on cold water.
2. pee
3.SUCCESS!
 
2012-03-14 01:52:44 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Riche:

Wow, something's wrong with your middle school. I never saw this happen when I was in school, and it doesn't seem like it was so long ago. My experience was that the teachers who respected their students got respect back.



Poor inner- city school district. The building is a filthy, run-down disgrace. Major gang activity. A bunch of the 8th grade girls have kids older than my daughter. Some of the students don't even speak English. The free breakfasts and lunches we serve are darn near the only food some kids get. I can only imagine the abuse/neglect they go through at home.

That said, I hope you're not implying I don't show my students respect. Showing respect to my students is my daily mantra. Many respond well to it, most don't-- at least so far.

That's why this whole bathroom bullshiat frustrates me so much. If a student needs to go, the respectful thing to do would be to just let her go. But if I do that it becomes basically impossible to teach.
 
2012-03-14 01:52:53 PM  
Su Hua-chi is a tough teacher.
 
2012-03-14 02:01:23 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: 1. Make them sign out each time they go to the restroom.
2. Give them 5 minutes (or the next time the ask they're told no).
3. Send the class tattletale with them.
4. Tally up the number of bathroom trips and send a note home at the end of the week.
5. NEVER let more than two at a time go.

/My dad is a teacher. This is how he handles numerous bathroom trips.


Yet another reason my kids aren't going to public school. What the fark is it that goes on in class that is so important it is worth one second of discomfort or inconvenience? IF your class sucks enough that kids are using their bladder as an excuse to get out then maybe you need to change your teaching methods so that kids want to stay voluntarily.

My kids will not ask permission, will not sign out, and will not be subject to any arbitrary time limits. If they leave quietly, do their business expediently, and come back as quietly then nobody needs to be bothered. A chaperone is fine as long as they are the same gender. And if I get a note home with the number of times my daughter peed I will file a complaint with the state police that the teacher is paying an inordinate amount of attention to daughter's bodily functions and needs to be investigated.

Quote from 6 lesson schoolteacher by John Taylor Gatto Link (new window) read it before you send your kids to school

"The third lesson I teach you is to surrender your will to a predestined chain of command. Rights may be granted or withheld, by authority, without appeal. As a schoolteacher I intervene in many personal decisions, issuing a Pass for those I deem legitimate, or initiating a disciplinary confrontation for behavior that threatens my control. My judgments come thick and fast, because individuality is trying constantly to assert itself in my classroom. Individuality is a curse to all systems of classification, a contradiction of class theory.

Here are some common ways it shows up: children sneak away for a private moment in the toilet on the pretext of moving their bowels; they trick me out of a private instant in the hallway on the grounds that they need water. Sometimes free will appears right in front of me in children angry, depressed or exhilarated by things outside my ken. Rights in such things cannot exist for schoolteachers; only privileges, which can be withdrawn, exist. "
 
2012-03-14 02:06:03 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Summer Glau's Love Slave: 1. Make them sign out each time they go to the restroom.
2. Give them 5 minutes (or the next time the ask they're told no).
3. Send the class tattletale with them.
4. Tally up the number of bathroom trips and send a note home at the end of the week.
5. NEVER let more than two at a time go.

/My dad is a teacher. This is how he handles numerous bathroom trips.

Yet another reason my kids aren't going to public school. What the fark is it that goes on in class that is so important it is worth one second of discomfort or inconvenience? IF your class sucks enough that kids are using their bladder as an excuse to get out then maybe you need to change your teaching methods so that kids want to stay voluntarily.

My kids will not ask permission, will not sign out, and will not be subject to any arbitrary time limits. If they leave quietly, do their business expediently, and come back as quietly then nobody needs to be bothered. A chaperone is fine as long as they are the same gender. And if I get a note home with the number of times my daughter peed I will file a complaint with the state police that the teacher is paying an inordinate amount of attention to daughter's bodily functions and needs to be investigated.


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2012-03-14 02:15:03 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: And if I get a note home with the number of times my daughter peed I will file a complaint with the state police that the teacher is paying an inordinate amount of attention to daughter's bodily functions and needs to be investigated. amount of time spent in the classroom learning.

 
2012-03-14 02:21:04 PM  

wambu: The student was instructed to go to another room out of view of classmates, urinate in a bucket and then dump the urine in a sink, according to the claim.

The bucket was unnecessary.

1. turn on cold water.
2. pee
3.SUCCESS!


That's easier for a male student to do than a female student. And the student in the article is female.
 
2012-03-14 02:33:57 PM  
I went to school for the first time when I was in kindengarten (half day). I was fairly well adjusted. Didn't cry first day like other kids. However, I remember that whole year I was afraid to use the bathroom. The bathroom was in the classroom. You just had to put this sign around your neck and go when you needed to. I went in there a few times with the sign but couldn't go when I sat on bowl. The first and only time that I "peed in my pants" was in kindegarden when I just couldn't hold it one day. I was embarassed and humiliated. Similar to how I felt when I was in gym class in second grade and gym teacher humiliated me when I was afraid to do a forward roll. She made me stay on mat in corner of room and forced me to keep trying to do a forward roll but I couldn't do it. Hated gym class so much that I asked my parents to enroll me in Catholic school for third grade since Catholic schools at that time (1960's) did not have gym class. Was in Catholic school until Junior High (seventh grade).
 
2012-03-14 02:34:01 PM  
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114897/Art-teacher-forced-gir l-14-pee-bucket-classroom.html

This teacher might never have been a young teenaged girl - judging by the photo and some comments elsewhere. Perhaps she lacks empathy with their particular hang-ups (modesty/privacy) and physical issues. I wouldn't know but the picture is awfully mannish despite no adam's apple.

At any rate, there are also comments from locals to the effect that Gonja is Gonzo (has a track record of bizarre behavior) and that the girl is not a trouble maker, and is actually from an area where kids are relatively well behaved, and do what their elders tell them.
 
2012-03-14 02:36:04 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-03-14 02:46:36 PM  

lewismarktwo: Back in forth grade I was denied to go to the bathroom. Later I peed all over the class. After that I could go whenever I wanted.


You missed quite a few lessons in spelling/language arts, I'm guessing.
 
2012-03-14 02:47:30 PM  
1. DNRTFA...but...I read elsewhere that this course was only a 20 minute long "advisory" period (kind of like homeroom for tutoring and HW catch-up).

2. The school administration had already instructed teachers to "limit" bathroom passes during advisory.

3. The district this is in is currently laying off 1,600+ teachers for budgetary reasons, and administrators have some say in who they "excess." The teacher was likely afraid to break from policy in light of that situation.

4. I teach high school, and the story that other farker told about middle schoolers honestly applies in high school as well...unless you teach Advanced Placement courses.

5. I tell my students, you can hold it until break, or you can go now against my instructions. If you go now, you're choosing a referral and whatever consequences come with it. If you hold it, you're making the mature choice. I've only ever had one or two kids leave after that instruction. I also make allowances for medical conditions with a doctors note.

Yeah...based on experience though, here's what probably happened. The girl is a smart-ass. She probably asks for passes all the damn time. The teacher probably always tells her she's out of luck, given the school policy. The teacher probably told her, "Hey, if it's such an emergency, here's a bucket...just be sure to dump it when you're done." Kid (thinking she was being clever) goes in the bucket to test the teacher. When the kid didn't get the belly-laughs and street-cred she though she'd get, but was instead ridiculed, she came up with this "emotional distress" bullshiat. Time to make money-money.

/yeah...fark her...fark her money-grubbing parents...fark her lawyers...
 
2012-03-14 02:48:20 PM  
Allie says, "Go in the trees!"
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2012-03-14 03:03:04 PM  
Ladies don't know to take a leak after sex to help avoid UTIs?
 
2012-03-14 03:03:31 PM  
How was the student "forced" to pee in a bucket? I mean, this is weird and the teacher needs a good spanking or something, but who actually held the student down on the bucket and made her release her bladder? Seems to me, if she was told to go into the other room and find a bucket, she might have just gone straight to the bathroom instead, or even to the administrator's office.
 
2012-03-14 03:04:57 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Summer Glau's Love Slave:

Quote from 6 lesson schoolteacher by John Taylor Gatto Link (new window) read it before you send your kids to school

"The third lesson I teach you is to surrender your will to a predestined chain of command. Rights may be granted or withheld, by authority, without appeal. As a schoolteacher I intervene in many personal decisions, issuing a Pass for those I deem legitimate, or initiating a disciplinary confrontation for behavior that threatens my control. My judgments come thick and fast, because individuality is trying constantly to assert itself in my classroom. Individuality is a curse to all systems of classification, a contradiction of class theory.

Here are some common ways it shows up: children sneak away for a private mom ...


I encourage people to read more of Gattos work, or at least the full essay linked so that they can realize he is actually speaking against the sort of behavior the quote is depicting.


/just wanted to add some context.
 
2012-03-14 03:07:42 PM  

Jument: As a runner, I drink I metric assload of water and pee constantly. At least once an hour.

As someone with Crohn's and some missing intestine, I also visit the washroom for other business pretty frequently.

So yeah, I sympathize. Some people just need to use the washroom a lot. Such is life.


Bet if you stopped drinking out of asses, some of your "issues" clear up.
 
2012-03-14 03:10:51 PM  
Probable teacher's union response: Demand funding for more buckets, paid-leave days for bucket training.
 
2012-03-14 03:18:25 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Before I can properly register my outrage, I need to know:

a) how often this student requested to go to the bathroom -- i.e, whether this request represented an aberration that should have been reasonably accommodated by the teacher or a daily, regular occurrence that had been warned upon multiple times, and

b) if it did represent a daily, regular occurrence, whether or not the student had a medical condition that would justify it.


When I worked with children we were told A and B did not matter. If a kid requests it, just let it go man. Withholding food and/or bathroom privileges could be seen as abuse/torture - just not worth it.
 
2012-03-14 03:22:07 PM  
Damn, I feel sorry for people with frequent UTIs. I used to have them all the time when I dated this one guy (who happens to be the only uncut guy I've ever dated beyond a couple dates, but I am NOT saying that is why). He showered daily, so I have no idea what was up with that. He wasn't particularly remarkable size/width speaking either. I got tired of going to the doctor for antibiotics, so I read some weird "Trick" that drinking a gallon of distilled water cured UTIs. Worked for me. Even when I had one get to the point of being pure blood all it took was maybe a gallon and a half of distilled water (drinking no other types of liquids during this time either). Since I quit dating that guy I haven't had a single UTI.
 
2012-03-14 03:22:14 PM  
Subbass WRONG - it's not "mature" - I don't know how you came to that conclusion, and I don't I know you didn't go to medical school, but perhaps a trained medical professional could be brought in to inform policy. It's unhealthy to "hold" and can lead to infection and nerve damage. Classroom breaks are often too brief to suffice to attending to personal needs. Girls get it worst, and especially at that age, when annovulatory cycles are common and accompanied by heavy, unpredictable bleeding, and the girls are not all that experienced with juggling books and bloody hands and hygeine products. Girls are more prone to infection and bad consequenses from waiting, too.

Not that boys shouldn't be taken at their word.

Let classroom performance be your consideration, and if kids leave on pretext, so be it. It will be reflected in their work.
 
2012-03-14 03:28:25 PM  
I would have filled the bucket, and promptly emptied it all over said teacher and/or desk.
The detentions would have been worth it.

/only 2 detentions in school
//first was because I said "what the hell?" when some punk pushed me into my locker...he did not get punished for assaulting me, I did get punished for saying "what the hell?"
///Second was because I called our valedictorian a biatch in the middle of class. After class teacher agreed with me but said she has to give me a detention anyways. Girl was totally a biatch
////School is retarded
 
2012-03-14 03:29:16 PM  
Also, subbass, the few comments I've seen about the actual student involved indicate she's from a decent neighborhood where the kids are actually more than likely to do as their elders tell them.

Which would explain the non-rebelling part.

The teacher has been in trouble for not controlling her classes. You got that part right. The teacher also has a history of "unusual" behavior. I wouldn't know but the transgender thing is rumored (and goes with the picture I guess). The teacher, I conclude from the cloud of facts and rumor, was overcompensating for discipline problems she has experienced, and isn't really doing a bang up job using discernment.
 
2012-03-14 03:35:44 PM  

SarahBW: Also, subbass, the few comments I've seen about the actual student involved indicate she's from a decent neighborhood where the kids are actually more than likely to do as their elders tell them.

Which would explain the non-rebelling part.

The teacher has been in trouble for not controlling her classes. You got that part right. The teacher also has a history of "unusual" behavior. I wouldn't know but the transgender thing is rumored (and goes with the picture I guess). The teacher, I conclude from the cloud of facts and rumor, was overcompensating for discipline problems she has experienced, and isn't really doing a bang up job using discernment.


I know the area (live nearby) and it's a mix of middle to upper-middle class homes. There is a huge drug problem at the school...this coming from students that I know who had transferred out.

/can't speak on the teacher in question...haven't seen anything about her history.
 
2012-03-14 03:38:38 PM  

vudukungfu: Like, you whipped it out and peed all over the class?


"She gets right up on the balcony man and she pulls up her skirt and she looks at all the people and she says, 'I'm Jesus Christ man and I baptize you in the name of the Son, the Father and the Holy Ghost,' and she pissed on everybody! Musta got in their farkin food and everything. Can you beat that? Shiat..."

/not obscure
 
2012-03-14 03:39:03 PM  

SarahBW: Subbass WRONG - it's not "mature" - I don't know how you came to that conclusion, and I don't I know you didn't go to medical school, but perhaps a trained medical professional could be brought in to inform policy. It's unhealthy to "hold" and can lead to infection and nerve damage. Classroom breaks are often too brief to suffice to attending to personal needs. Girls get it worst, and especially at that age, when annovulatory cycles are common and accompanied by heavy, unpredictable bleeding, and the girls are not all that experienced with juggling books and bloody hands and hygeine products. Girls are more prone to infection and bad consequenses from waiting, too.

Not that boys shouldn't be taken at their word.

Let classroom performance be your consideration, and if kids leave on pretext, so be it. It will be reflected in their work.


Kids in my course get two emergency passes per semester. They can use them whenever they need to. If they keep them all semester, they're extra credit on their final grade. A reward for responsibility. Amazing that when I started that program, bathroom passes dropped by something like 70% per day. At our school (with our lack of security personnel due to budget cuts) bathroom passes are essentially "wander the halls, play on your phone, and do drugs in the bathroom" passes.
 
2012-03-14 03:46:01 PM  
My kid is in a new school, and his classroom has its own bathroom it shares with the room next door. The entire elementary school is built that way. I'm really glad they are designing schools like this now; kids can use the loo without asking and without the opportunity to dally or run amok.
 
2012-03-14 04:00:50 PM  
But were the parents also offered buckets for their issues?
 
2012-03-14 04:03:45 PM  

notyomama: I was 5 years old and had just started kindergarten. We were in Germany, courtesy of the US Army. Of course, to travel overseas, everyone in my family had to get all the immunizations required for overseas travel at the time. All those vaccinations will mess up a kid's bowels.

We were at recess and I had to go to the bathroom - BAD. My teacher was busy jawing with another adult and would not pay attention to me at first, then she told me I had to wait. I waiting as long as I could and then I couldn't wait not one second longer. I had a very messy accident right there on the playground.

I was about as humiliated as a 5 year old girl can be - especially since everybody knew about it and I had to sit on a bench on a paper towel and wait for my mother to come to the school. I have never forgiven that teacher for ignoring me so she could gossip with another teacher.

I don't care who you are or where you are - you do not have the authority to tell me I can't go to the bathroom.


Same here... 7 yo in the 3rd grade and right after recess... I had to go but my teacher (who was also the third grade romances aunt) said no. After I went, I had to go get a mop and clean it up, then I was told to go home and change pants and come back. Mom found me under my bed. 59 yo and still farked up by shame.

/Sorry for the cool story bro rant but it helped
 
2012-03-14 04:13:43 PM  
Like MoronLessOff said still holds true...

If you're going to Ass to Pussy you gotta clean the damn thing off first or you get a UTI...
 
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