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2012-03-14 04:13:43 PM
Like MoronLessOff said still holds true...

If you're going to Ass to Pussy you gotta clean the damn thing off first or you get a UTI...
 
2012-03-14 04:16:04 PM

Bpjosep: so...did she do it or not?


"JESUS CHRIST, MAN. There's some things you don't talk about in public."
 
2012-03-14 04:32:13 PM
Subass...if my kids were in your class, and you happened to start farking with their grades or giving them referrals/detention because they might need to go drop a deuce or piss on occasion....I'd be a major, MAJOR pain in your ass, for a long, expensive time....

/had that conversation with both my kids already...if they need to go to the bathroom during class, they ask and if they are denied, but really can't hold it, just leave class and go...tell the teacher to call me and we'll discuss it. OTOH, if I find out my kids are out farking off when they're supposed to be going to the bathroom and back to class, then teacher and school can bring whatever punishment (reasonable and normal of course) they see fit...
 
2012-03-14 04:38:06 PM

chevydeuce: Subass...if my kids were in your class, and you happened to start farking with their grades or giving them referrals/detention because they might need to go drop a deuce or piss on occasion....I'd be a major, MAJOR pain in your ass, for a long, expensive time....

/had that conversation with both my kids already...if they need to go to the bathroom during class, they ask and if they are denied, but really can't hold it, just leave class and go...tell the teacher to call me and we'll discuss it. OTOH, if I find out my kids are out farking off when they're supposed to be going to the bathroom and back to class, then teacher and school can bring whatever punishment (reasonable and normal of course) they see fit...


I don't "fark with their grades" over behavior issues. That's a non-starter. I will, however, write a referral to the dean who can then handle their defiance however they see fit. Defiance in the classroom is a non judgement-call issue at our school. If it happens, it goes to the dean. That way punishment is consistent school-wide rather than up to the whims of individual teachers. It's better that way.
 
2012-03-14 04:48:09 PM

SubBass49: I tell my students, you can hold it until break, or you can go now against my instructions. If you go now, you're choosing a referral and whatever consequences come with it.


Ah, the "Baby, why you gotta make me hit you?" rationale.

No, you're choosing to give them a referral.

If you hold it, you're making the mature choice.

Oh give me a break. Sometimes you gotta go. It's physiological, not psychological.
 
2012-03-14 05:02:14 PM
...Parents extremely pissed

Here's to getting extremely pissed!
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/FARK is always more fun if you don't read the article
//just stick the headlines
 
2012-03-14 05:03:25 PM
Have come across legal documents that have this particular Gonja Wolf (same addy, &c) as (legally) male. Transgender ID now seems even more likely. Which not that there is anything wrong with that because it's not like the kid was asked to put the lotion in the bucket. Only relevant bc this person was probably not ever a teen girl and may not yet be altered genitally and could not quite comprehend what it is like for girls to struggle to meet all needs in breaks, and may not have much sensitivity to the modesty and privacy needs of young women of that age.
 
2012-03-14 05:06:38 PM

Ambitwistor: SubBass49: I tell my students, you can hold it until break, or you can go now against my instructions. If you go now, you're choosing a referral and whatever consequences come with it.

Ah, the "Baby, why you gotta make me hit you?" rationale.

No, you're choosing to give them a referral.

If you hold it, you're making the mature choice.

Oh give me a break. Sometimes you gotta go. It's physiological, not psychological.


1. They make the choice to leave against classroom policy. THEY choose - not me. I lay out a very specific set of options and the consequences that accompany them. They're teenagers and capable of making simple choices by this age...no matter how their helicopter parents may baby them (yes - I'm looking at you).

2. Sometimes you DO have to go - thus the two emergency passes per semester. They may also buy/sell/trade those passes with their classmates, and many do. Or we even get charitable types that give them away to the needy. It removes any favoritism or appearance thereof from my classroom.
 
2012-03-14 05:09:47 PM
Gonja Wolf's ratings at Rate My Teacher (new window) - Be sure to ignore ratings posted today after the story broke.
 
2012-03-14 05:11:55 PM

SubBass49: Gonja Wolf's ratings at Rate My Teacher (new window) - Be sure to ignore ratings posted today after the story broke.


And her more recent ratings (new window) (at the school FTA)
 
2012-03-14 05:14:26 PM
Subbase - looked at that just now. Class control does seem to be an issue. The transgender thing gets a mention in a newer post. Wise to take Grain o salt with that, despite the suggestive picture. HOWEVER, have now come across legal documents listing her sex as male.
 
2012-03-14 05:44:07 PM

SarahBW: Subbase - looked at that just now. Class control does seem to be an issue. The transgender thing gets a mention in a newer post. Wise to take Grain o salt with that, despite the suggestive picture. HOWEVER, have now come across legal documents listing her sex as male.


Never thought of looking for a pic, it didn't seem relevant, but DAMN, that is one ugly broad.
 
2012-03-14 05:55:08 PM

SubBass49:
5. I tell my students, you can hold it until break, or you can go now against my instructions. If you go now, you're choosing a referral and whatever consequences come with it. If you hold it, you're making the mature choice. I've only ever had one or two kids leave after that instruction. I also make allowances for medical conditions with a doctors note.


I tell my kids that there are certain things you do not ever need permission for, and going to the bathroom is one of them. If you have to go at an inconvenient time, just simply state that you are going to the lou, go, and come back as quickly as possible.

The consequences of not "allowing" my child to go to the bathroom is to deal with me, and I'm a noisy prick when it comes to the public schools.
 
2012-03-14 06:24:26 PM

Rent Party: SubBass49:
5. I tell my students, you can hold it until break, or you can go now against my instructions. If you go now, you're choosing a referral and whatever consequences come with it. If you hold it, you're making the mature choice. I've only ever had one or two kids leave after that instruction. I also make allowances for medical conditions with a doctors note.


I tell my kids that there are certain things you do not ever need permission for, and going to the bathroom is one of them. If you have to go at an inconvenient time, just simply state that you are going to the lou, go, and come back as quickly as possible.

The consequences of not "allowing" my child to go to the bathroom is to deal with me, and I'm a noisy prick when it comes to the public schools.


I didn't think we'd need another [WATCHOUTWEGOTABADASSOVERHERE.JPG], but damn if this doesn't require it. The school has a policy. It is enforced school wide. Presumably, you agreed to these policies when you enrolled your child. Suck it up Nancy.
 
2012-03-14 06:27:48 PM

Jument: As a runner, I drink I metric assload of water and pee constantly. At least once an hour.

As someone with Crohn's and some missing intestine, I also visit the washroom for other business pretty frequently.

So yeah, I sympathize. Some people just need to use the washroom a lot. Such is life.


You drink water AND pee? Why not just stick to water?
 
2012-03-14 06:30:55 PM

The_Six_Fingered_Man:
I didn't think we'd need another [WATCHOUTWEGOTABADASSOVERHERE.JPG], but damn if this doesn't require it. The school has a policy. It is enforced school wide. Presumably, you agreed to these policies when you enrolled your child. Suck it up Nancy.


Policy doesn't mean shiat in a public institution, serf. I have had fights with two separate school districts *and* a junior college over this kind of ridiculous "policy" and I've won each and every time.

Just because you are content to submit to stupidity because.... IT'S POLICY! doesn't mean anyone else is. So you can go sit quietly in your corner now, OK?
 
2012-03-14 06:42:36 PM

Rent Party: The_Six_Fingered_Man:
I didn't think we'd need another [WATCHOUTWEGOTABADASSOVERHERE.JPG], but damn if this doesn't require it. The school has a policy. It is enforced school wide. Presumably, you agreed to these policies when you enrolled your child. Suck it up Nancy.

Policy doesn't mean shiat in a public institution, serf. I have had fights with two separate school districts *and* a junior college over this kind of ridiculous "policy" and I've won each and every time.

Just because you are content to submit to stupidity because.... IT'S POLICY! doesn't mean anyone else is. So you can go sit quietly in your corner now, OK?


So you doubled down on the Badass? Awesome. It's good to know that you're the kind of person who doesn't adhere to their word.
 
2012-03-14 06:47:36 PM
I'm sorry... but consenting to pee in a bucket when you are 14 yrs old and not handicapped, places you into the zone of unbelievable these days.

I bet any farker here will attest to the fact you can't tell a 14 yr old to do anything you want them to do that they didn't *want* to do. Maybe 50 years ago, but now? I don't think so.

/Mayhaps she was expecting a decent sprinkling of money afterwards?
// Maybe, they have have experienced a certain fetish, and just felt the need to go public?
 
2012-03-14 07:13:46 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Jument: As a runner, I drink I metric assload of water and pee constantly. At least once an hour.

As someone with Crohn's and some missing intestine, I also visit the washroom for other business pretty frequently.

So yeah, I sympathize. Some people just need to use the washroom a lot. Such is life.

You drink water AND pee? Why not just stick to water?


Zing! Ya got me there.
 
2012-03-14 07:52:55 PM
 
2012-03-14 08:12:05 PM

SubBass49: 3. The district this is in is currently laying off 1,600+ teachers for budgetary reasons, and administrators have some say in who they "excess." The teacher was likely afraid to break from policy in light of that situation.


She's tenured.

Try again.
 
2012-03-14 08:12:33 PM
Thanks Fark, for teaching me that if your don't keep a middle schooler's willing and rapt attention every second of a class, the child has the duty to wander off when they feel like it, and if you say anything the parent will pop you in the face and file a lawsuit. You win again, Internet Tough Dads.
 
2012-03-14 08:31:06 PM

Fano: Thanks Fark, for teaching me that a middle schooler has a right to take a piss when she needs to take a piss, and if you say anything that the child can only buy that privilege by pissing in a bucket, and be sure to explain this to her in front of her whole damn class the parent will pop you in the face and file a lawsuit. You win again, Internet Tough Dads.


Indeed they do.
 
2012-03-14 08:47:28 PM
Let them go whenever they want and just have them make the time up after school say 15-30 mins per piss break taken outside of break time.

The requests will plummet.
 
2012-03-14 08:48:05 PM
I have Interstitial Cystitis (think: permanent, really bad UTI with no cure) and Ulcerative Colitis, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/when I have to go, I GO
//have used the line "I'm trying to avoid pissing blood all over your floor and this is cutting it reallllly close" when denied access to a toilet
///I get biatchy when I'm in pain :(
 
2012-03-14 08:55:07 PM

Rent Party: I have had fights with two separate school districts *and* a junior college over this kind of ridiculous "policy" and I've won each and every time.


Wait. Are we sure that Rent Party isn't Craig James?

Is that you Craig? Have you answered for the 5 young ladies that fateful year?
 
2012-03-14 09:10:04 PM
As a youngin my parents would spend every weekend during the summer on Cape Cod with family, mind you it's a 3 hour ride. My brother and I were forced to pee in a pickle jar because they didn't want to stop. Imagine how embarassing it is in traffic looking like you're dry-humping the back seat of a '74 Impala at the age of 8?
 
2012-03-14 11:30:46 PM
I don't quite get the reaction everyone is having. So she was made to pee in a bucket... whoop de do?

Peeing in a bucket is hardly the end of the world. Just what is so bad about peeing in a bucket versus peeing anywhere else? I suppose some sort of sanitary paper product should be provided, but that is about all the issue I have with this.

A toilet is nothing but an artificial appliance we invented to make our waste products magically disappear(as far as most people are concerned anyways, they do). You can pee anywhere really and the biggest problem you might encounter is that cleanup may be necessary - if you are indoors that is.

Outside, you can really pee anywhere with no real consequence to anything other than that police officers may have an issue(thanks to over-zealous and unnecessary laws). This is what nature intended after all, and really there is no practical need for us to have changed this.

The idea that there is anything wrong with this is really rooted in silly irrational "decency/morality" ideals. After all, if people pee freely, then genitals may be briefly seen - OH THE SIN!! Thus the shame. It is not universally true in all societies, however. Many societies in even modern nations will do their business on the sidewalk with little to no fuss.

It should be observed that our attitudes about urination/dedication are as backwards and immature as our views towards sex. This all needs to change IMO.

Plus we have an idea in our heads (beat in along with all the other "morality") that urine is "unclean." Really, it is not. There is no sanitary issue with people peeing publicly. This isn't as true for feces, only because insects feed/multiply with it. Thus disease can be spread. Then again, most pets(not to mention wild animals) are doing their business outside, so really the human factor matters mainly as a matter of scale.

If nature calls, there is no reason that people should be ashamed to accept the call.

Regarding children being denied bathroom passes(which can sometimes be understandable), and subsequently messing in their own pants - I don't see why this happens. If you MUST go NOW, and cannot hold it in, then why would you mess in your pants?

Even in that situation, you could at least drop you pants and do the deed on the grass/floor/whatever. Then you(or an adult) can clean it up after the fact. But at the very least, your pants are clean and you don't need to go home. Life moves on.

Why would I advocate that instead? Well if you are messing in your pants anyways, lets face it... your mess WILL make it to the floor as well and you know it. The floor already will need cleaned, so why add your pants to the equation just to preserve a worthless code of "decency?" Looking at it logically, it really should not be any more embarrassing(and really I don't think peeing/pooping should be embarrassing in the first place).

Now if possible, it would be better to grab the nearest garbage can and do the deed with it rather than the floor and certainly rather than within your pants.
 
2012-03-15 12:17:24 AM

SkunkWerks: SubBass49: 3. The district this is in is currently laying off 1,600+ teachers for budgetary reasons, and administrators have some say in who they "excess." The teacher was likely afraid to break from policy in light of that situation.

She's tenured.

Try again.


Means absolutely nothing, but nice try. My colleague was laid off today after 9 years in the district...he's been tenured for 7 years now. It was for budgetary reasons only. Tenure just means you get due process.
 
2012-03-15 01:04:52 AM
urine trouble
 
2012-03-15 03:04:49 AM

bk3k: I don't quite get the reaction everyone is having. So she was made to pee in a bucket... whoop de do?

Peeing in a bucket is hardly the end of the world. Just what is so bad about peeing in a bucket versus peeing anywhere else? I suppose some sort of sanitary paper product should be provided, but that is about all the issue I have with this.

A toilet is nothing but an artificial appliance we invented to make our waste products magically disappear(as far as most people are concerned anyways, they do). You can pee anywhere really and the biggest problem you might encounter is that cleanup may be necessary - if you are indoors that is.

Outside, you can really pee anywhere with no real consequence to anything other than that police officers may have an issue(thanks to over-zealous and unnecessary laws). This is what nature intended after all, and really there is no practical need for us to have changed this.

The idea that there is anything wrong with this is really rooted in silly irrational "decency/morality" ideals. After all, if people pee freely, then genitals may be briefly seen - OH THE SIN!! Thus the shame. It is not universally true in all societies, however. Many societies in even modern nations will do their business on the sidewalk with little to no fuss.

It should be observed that our attitudes about urination/dedication are as backwards and immature as our views towards sex. This all needs to change IMO.

Plus we have an idea in our heads (beat in along with all the other "morality") that urine is "unclean." Really, it is not. There is no sanitary issue with people peeing publicly. This isn't as true for feces, only because insects feed/multiply with it. Thus disease can be spread. Then again, most pets(not to mention wild animals) are doing their business outside, so really the human factor matters mainly as a matter of scale.

If nature calls, there is no reason that people should be ashamed to accept the call.

Regarding children being ...


Is it okay if we just assume you just like pee?
 
2012-03-15 05:12:58 AM
If that was my kid, that teacher would be getting a visit at home.
 
2012-03-15 08:37:41 AM

Rubber Biscuit: If that was my kid, that teacher would be getting a visit at home.


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2012-03-15 12:59:57 PM
Kid should have just plopped the bucket down on teachers desk. say "thanks"
 
2012-03-15 03:12:57 PM
The transgender thing is really real, barring a CA clerical error.
 
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