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(CNN)   GOP candidates this year would like to take their traditional "national security" platform plank, give George W. Bush a few whacks with it for letting Obama get all the headlines   (cnn.com ) divider line
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2012-03-14 08:21:44 AM  
Yeah...

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...better not go there, GOP.
 
2012-03-14 08:22:06 AM  
Oh please.l.everyone knows that Obama managed to get those national security headlines because of Bush's policies. Bush is owed the credit and the GOP should celebrate President Bush
 
2012-03-14 08:28:46 AM  

Aar1012: Oh please.l.everyone knows that Obama managed to get those national security headlines because of Bush's policies. Bush is owed the credit and the GOP should celebrate President Bush


This. Bush lulled the bad guys into a false sense of security by making it seem like "US intelligence community" was some kind of oxymoron, totally setting things up for Obama to come in and pick them off easily.

;)
 
2012-03-14 08:30:24 AM  
Hey, you'll always have Saddam.
 
2012-03-14 08:32:32 AM  
Sorry for putting a kill order on bin Laden, but your hero Bush could not be bothered to do it.
 
2012-03-14 08:43:10 AM  
I thought their national security plank was BOMB IRAN

/and tax cuts
 
2012-03-14 08:44:28 AM  
Once again, if it was a Republican president that gave the order to take out Osama, helped topple Gaddafi without a single American life lost and was in office when the Dow hit 13,000 and GM regained the title of world's largest auto manufacturer the number one topic on talk radio would be "should we put him on Mount Rushmore first or put him on the $10 AND $20 bill first?"
 
2012-03-14 08:45:23 AM  
Plus I was amused by the "Obama is doing nothing!" when Libya started up, then the teabagger asswipes changed their tune to "we're at war with Libya!" when he did do something.
 
2012-03-14 08:46:29 AM  
The GOP is overdue for a major ideological overhaul.
 
2012-03-14 08:49:27 AM  

James!: Hey, you'll always have Saddam.


Yep...President Bush did a lot to help stop one of the greatest masterminds behind 9/11.
 
2012-03-14 08:55:12 AM  

Jake Havechek: Plus I was amused by the "Obama is doing nothing!" when Libya started up, then the teabagger asswipes changed their tune to "we're at war with Libya!" when he did do something.


Let me just check FOX for something really quick.

Libya
June 2011 Administration Defends Libya Mission as Costs Rise, Discontent Brews in Congress
The challenge of selling Libya got even harder Thursday as a Financial Times report claimed the Pentagon is pegging the monthly cost of the operation at about $60 million, as opposed to the $40 million a month officials had estimated earlier. A Pentagon official told Fox News that $40 million a month is still the working projection but said the number could rise.

Obama is Jimmy Carter 2.0
Instead of dealing with high unemployment, soaring energy prices, a record number home foreclosures, bankruptcies and record setting debt, Obama turned his attention to health care and started a third war in Libya.


Now, Iran.
January 05, 2012 Obama Unveils Defense Cuts While Iran Threatens War
Whose bright idea was it for the president of the United States to unveil his defense budget cuts the cusp of a crisis with Iran and in the Pentagon's briefing room? -- What were they thinking?

Perhaps they think it makes President Obama look like a tough commander in chief to announce he's slashing the defense budget with the victims standing right behind him.

Perhaps they think it's a smart political move that will appeal to his anti-war base, cutting defense while keeping entitlements whole.

December 15 Obama Administration Gives In to Iran Sanctions Push in Congress

The Obama administration has given in to legislation that would apply sanctions on Iran's Central Bank, despite weeks of opposition over concerns the measures may drive up oil prices or inflict severe economic hardship on American partners overseas.
 
2012-03-14 09:01:12 AM  
The only exception has come with Afghanistan, where some of the Republicans have criticized Obama for being too hawkish in the wrong place.

Let's all think about this for a moment.
 
2012-03-14 09:02:22 AM  

Diogenes: The only exception has come with Afghanistan, where some of the Republicans have criticized Obama for being too hawkish in the wrong place.

Let's all think about this for a moment.


...wow
 
2012-03-14 09:28:59 AM  
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2012-03-14 09:34:46 AM  
It's hilarious watching the GOP flail around in desperation...
 
2012-03-14 09:53:47 AM  

Party Boy: The GOP is overdue for a major ideological overhaul.


I want to shrink the GOP until it's small enough that it can be drown in Grover Norquist's bathtub.
 
2012-03-14 09:55:59 AM  
So less defense, more JESUS-ian slut shaming.
 
2012-03-14 09:56:55 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Party Boy: The GOP is overdue for a major ideological overhaul.

I want to shrink the GOP until it's small enough that it can be drown in Grover Norquist's bathtub.


i.imgur.com

Grover Norquist cannot be contained in a standard bathtub.
 
2012-03-14 09:59:32 AM  
I have a primary question:

Romney - 489
Santorum - 234
Gingrich - 139

Can Gingrich turn around and endorse Santorum and ask that all his delegates be pledged to Santorum and ask that all his supporters vote for Santorum here on out? In return Santorum promises to make him his running mate or something. The upshot being that the current race would tighten up to:

Romeny - 489
Santorum/ Gingrich - 373

And the Santorum/ Gingrich merger would make future elections much closer with Santorum as the favorite over Romney in many.

Of course this assumes Gingrich would concede. Although, he doesn't really have a shot of winning this on his own.
 
2012-03-14 10:04:34 AM  
Like anybody thinks the GOP's foreign policy is supposed to serve as legitimate policy rather than another way to show America how Obama is utterly annihilating everything that America once stood for.
 
2012-03-14 10:05:38 AM  

SlothB77: I have a primary question:

Romney - 489
Santorum - 234
Gingrich - 139

Can Gingrich turn around and endorse Santorum and ask that all his delegates be pledged to Santorum and ask that all his supporters vote for Santorum here on out? In return Santorum promises to make him his running mate or something. The upshot being that the current race would tighten up to:

Romeny - 489
Santorum/ Gingrich - 373

And the Santorum/ Gingrich merger would make future elections much closer with Santorum as the favorite over Romney in many.

Of course this assumes Gingrich would concede. Although, he doesn't really have a shot of winning this on his own.


The projections given over here show Rmoney coming up shy of 900, if everyone stays in the race. And if there are three people in the US crazy enough to stay in a race they can't hope to win, their names are Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul.
 
2012-03-14 10:06:30 AM  

SlothB77: have a primary question:

Romney - 489
Santorum - 234
Gingrich - 139

Can Gingrich turn around and endorse Santorum and ask that all his delegates be pledged to Santorum and ask that all his supporters vote for Santorum here on out? In return Santorum promises to make him his running mate or something. The upshot being that the current race would tighten up to:

Romeny - 489
Santorum/ Gingrich - 373

And the Santorum/ Gingrich merger would make future elections much closer with Santorum as the favorite over Romney in many.

Of course this assumes Gingrich would concede. Although, he doesn't really have a shot of winning this on his own.



In theory: I think so?

And at the same time, no, because you asked "Can Gingrich...", and I'm not sure the man *could*. I think it would crack the universe or something.
 
2012-03-14 10:06:34 AM  
The funny thing is it will work too because they'll go after him on Iran, and if you look at the polls the majority of Americans think it is a great idea to use military force against Iran. Even after we just went through Iraq and Afghanistan. We are a really smart group that learns from our mistakes...yep...
 
2012-03-14 10:08:47 AM  

SlothB77: I have a primary question:

Romney - 489
Santorum - 234
Gingrich - 139

Can Gingrich turn around and endorse Santorum and ask that all his delegates be pledged to Santorum and ask that all his supporters vote for Santorum here on out? In return Santorum promises to make him his running mate or something. The upshot being that the current race would tighten up to:

Romeny - 489
Santorum/ Gingrich - 373

And the Santorum/ Gingrich merger would make future elections much closer with Santorum as the favorite over Romney in many.

Of course this assumes Gingrich would concede. Although, he doesn't really have a shot of winning this on his own.


It's possible to pledge his delegates, sure, but why would he at this juncture? There's no real question that Gingrich's voters would more likely go for Santorum than Romney, and his current backer isn't financing him to win, just to keep drawing votes away from Santorum so Romney can edge him out. Look at Hawaii and Ohio: Romney won, but not by anywhere near enough. If Gingrich hadn't been there to split the fringe vote, Santorum would have pulled ahead. In the Santorum-heavy areas like the south, it would be a landslide. Gingrich went in saying he'd drop out if he lost last night, but he's backing away from that now.

Ultimately, what Gingrich wants is not to win, but to have enough delegates by the primary that he can throw behind whichever candidate will give him a sweeter payday. Secretary of State is the traditional post for guys with his number of delegates, but if he gets enough, he might even be able to force his way into the VP slot, purely by promising enough delegates to break a close heat.
 
2012-03-14 10:09:44 AM  
Yeah, we all know how great the Republicans are on national security

Tell me again, whose administration did 9/11 occur under? And under whose administration did we kill the guy who did it?
 
2012-03-14 10:09:50 AM  
Let's see...

Troops leaving Iraq after winning, using a strategy Obama was completely opposed to as a senator but somehow this is "his" doing.

Killing of Osama bin Laden, made possible because of years and years of work going back to before Obama was even a senator, but some this is "his" doing.

Afghanistan seems to be coming apart at the seems, which is not really Obama's fault, but if Bush was still in office liberals would absolutely blame him for the Koran burning and the soldier shooting up civilians, so this at least we can blame on Obama because why should a liberal be exempt from liberal standards of judgement?
 
2012-03-14 10:10:44 AM  
Well, duh! Obviously they are going to win by passing laws in all 50 states that prevent women from voting unless they are married with at least five children, and have permission from their husband to vote for the Republican candidate of his choice.
 
2012-03-14 10:11:31 AM  

randomjsa: Let's see...

Troops leaving Iraq after winning, using a strategy Obama was completely opposed to as a senator but somehow this is "his" doing.

Killing of Osama bin Laden, made possible because of years and years of work going back to before Obama was even a senator, but some this is "his" doing.

Afghanistan seems to be coming apart at the seems, which is not really Obama's fault, but if Bush was still in office liberals would absolutely blame him for the Koran burning and the soldier shooting up civilians, so this at least we can blame on Obama because why should a liberal be exempt from liberal standards of judgement?


Always the victim. Poor conservatives.
 
2012-03-14 10:12:27 AM  

randomjsa: Let's see...

Troops leaving Iraq after winning, using a strategy Obama was completely opposed to as a senator but somehow this is "his" doing.

Killing of Osama bin Laden, made possible because of years and years of work going back to before Obama was even a senator, but some this is "his" doing.

Afghanistan seems to be coming apart at the seems, which is not really Obama's fault, but if Bush was still in office liberals would absolutely blame him for the Koran burning and the soldier shooting up civilians, so this at least we can blame on Obama because why should a liberal be exempt from liberal standards of judgement?


But... but... Bush.
 
2012-03-14 10:13:22 AM  

randomjsa: Let's see...

Troops leaving Iraq after winning, using a strategy Obama was completely opposed to as a senator but somehow this is "his" doing.

Killing of Osama bin Laden, made possible because of years and years of work going back to before Obama was even a senator, but some this is "his" doing.

Afghanistan seems to be coming apart at the seems, which is not really Obama's fault, but if Bush was still in office liberals would absolutely blame him for the Koran burning and the soldier shooting up civilians, so this at least we can blame on Obama because why should a liberal be exempt from liberal standards of judgement?


Yeah. "win Iraq".

/fed the troll. Sorry.
 
2012-03-14 10:14:09 AM  

Headso: you look at the polls the majority of Americans think it is a great idea to use military force against Iran.


I need to see the questions and methodology.

A quick google search:
The poll you mention (also) says: The Reuters/Ipsos poll also found that 62 percent of Americans would back Israel taking military action against Iran for the same reasons.

Another poll, with transparent and stout methodology:
An Israeli military strike against Iran's nuclear program is opposed by three out of four Americans, according to a poll by the University of Maryland and the Program on International Policy Attitudes.
 
2012-03-14 10:14:36 AM  

Party Boy: The GOP is overdue for a major ideological overhaul.


The problem is that the GOP's ideology has not shown itself to be a (severe) electoral liability, so they have no incentive to overhaul anything.

They won in 2000, 2002, and 2004.
Losses in 2006 and 2008 are almost solely attributable to George W. Bush and not their ideology as a whole.
2010 was a smashing success.
2012 doesn't look like it's shaping up to be the sort of crushinating that would be required - even if Obama wins the GOP will probably hold the House and take the Senate - and there's roughly a 50% chance they'll sweep and end up with both Houses of Congress and the White House for the second time in 10 years.

This last one is the dangerous scenario; all this nonsense going on at the state level - contraception, abortion, voter ID, union-busting, privatization, etc. - are trial balloons to test public response and judicial feasibility. If they can get most of the populations of large, purple, relatively diverse industrial states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, Virginia - and the courts to accept these laws, I have no doubts that they'll try to enact them (plus a few more pet projects like the Ryan plan, SOPA/PIPA, repeal of PPACA, Keystone XL, military action against Iran, tax cuts, reinstatement of DOMA and DADT) on a federal level. This is why I don't think you'd see any great difference between a Santorum Administration and a Romney Administration; they'd both sign anything a GOP-dominated Congress sent them.
 
2012-03-14 10:15:04 AM  
images.inquisitr.com
 
2012-03-14 10:15:35 AM  

Last Man on Earth: Ultimately, what Gingrich wants is not to win, but to have enough delegates by the primary that he can throw behind whichever candidate will give him a sweeter payday. Secretary of State is the traditional post for guys with his number of delegates


I think that's exactly what Newt wants. But I'd also guess that he's going to demand more so that he gets something even if Mitt loses.

/At this point, I think Santorum will be the VP nominee.
 
2012-03-14 10:16:17 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Party Boy: The GOP is overdue for a major ideological overhaul.

I want to shrink the GOP until it's small enough that it can be drowned in Rush's belly button cavity Grover Norquist's bathtub.

 
2012-03-14 10:20:45 AM  
Hey GOP...

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Also: for the lulz...
 
2012-03-14 10:21:46 AM  

qorkfiend: Party Boy: The GOP is overdue for a major ideological overhaul.

The problem is that the GOP's ideology has not shown itself to be a (severe) electoral liability, so they have no incentive to overhaul anything.

They won in 2000, 2002, and 2004.
Losses in 2006 and 2008 are almost solely attributable to George W. Bush and not their ideology as a whole.
2010 was a smashing success.
2012 doesn't look like it's shaping up to be the sort of crushinating that would be required - even if Obama wins the GOP will probably hold the House and take the Senate - and there's roughly a 50% chance they'll sweep and end up with both Houses of Congress and the White House for the second time in 10 years.

This last one is the dangerous scenario; all this nonsense going on at the state level - contraception, abortion, voter ID, union-busting, privatization, etc. - are trial balloons to test public response and judicial feasibility. If they can get most of the populations of large, purple, relatively diverse industrial states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, Virginia - and the courts to accept these laws, I have no doubts that they'll try to enact them (plus a few more pet projects like the Ryan plan, SOPA/PIPA, repeal of PPACA, Keystone XL, military action against Iran, tax cuts, reinstatement of DOMA and DADT) on a federal level. This is why I don't think you'd see any great difference between a Santorum Administration and a Romney Administration; they'd both sign anything a GOP-dominated Congress sent them.


This is the part that slays me. The GOP has been harping on Obama for the last three years for being an empty suit and a follower, so who are they suggesting take the White House? An empty suit and a follower, that's who!
 
2012-03-14 10:22:31 AM  

randomjsa: DERP


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2012-03-14 10:22:58 AM  
But seriously..

"The only exception has come with Afghanistan, where some of the Republicans have criticized Obama for being too hawkish in the wrong place. Following the attack on Afghan civilians by a U.S. soldier this weekend, Gingrich admitted that "It's very likely that we have lost, tragically lost the lives and suffered injuries to a considerable number of young Americans on a mission that we're going to discover is not doable."

EABOD you farking assholes!

Perhaps the GOP should have thought of that before they planned to take out the entire Taliban and re-build an entire nation, and put invading Iraq ahead of getting Bin Laden and a small group of Al Qaeda at Tora Bora. Link (new window)

This whole operation could have been executed correctly in 2001, and we could have gotten the people who actually planned 9/11, and been in and out of there in under 2 years.

Now they want us to participate in a pre-emptive strike on Iran, which many say will lead to a larger war. Un-farking-believable.
 
2012-03-14 10:26:36 AM  
Here's a national security question for you.

Which POTUS (Obama, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum) is best positioned and capable of demonstrating the greatest international influence and leadership in matters of war, peace and international security?

Challenge: cross-check your results with the international community
 
2012-03-14 10:27:46 AM  

Party Boy: Another poll, with transparent and stout methodology:


Curious why you would consider that poll "stout methodology" where Reuters is not. IMO you'll see more pr fear mongering about Iran and that number will go even higher as even more people support us not letting the "smoking gun" to become a "mushroom cloud. It isn't like we don't have a history of getting in idiotic military conflicts.
 
2012-03-14 10:28:40 AM  
Let's see. The GOP poo-poohed Clinton's warning about AQ and allowed 9/11 to happen on their watch. They totally farked Afghanistan up by diverting resources to Iraq, a unnecessary war based on deliberate lies which has gained the US nothing. All that while pissing of every ally, friend and neutral country on the planet.

So yeah, the GOP no longer have national security credentials.

Their domestic policies are also pure shiat.

Their economic policies are more of the same failed "trickle down, privatize everything, deregulate everything and cut the 1%ers taxes while bending over backwards to please big oil" nonsense that helped lead to the economic collapse.

Their social policies wage war on women, gays, minorities, Muslims, atheists, immigrants and unions.

Simply put the Dems are morally, ethically, economically, pragmatically, scientifically, and humanely superior to the Republicans on any metric anyone would care to name.

Basically, if you are even thinking about voting GOP this time around then you are a bad person who should feel bad about themselves.
 
2012-03-14 10:29:00 AM  
Obama is a better neo con than any of the republican candidates. Not only does he get the nod of aproval from the GOP for his "born again neo con" status, but he also comes with large group of liberal apologist that will defend him no matter what he does. As evidenced in this very thread.

And this is the reason he will win again in 2012. He is simply the best neo con for the job. Suck it useful idiot libs.
 
2012-03-14 10:29:36 AM  
randomjsa: Troops leaving Iraq after winning,

HAH! That's a good one. The United States military strategy of holing up in fortresses and letting the occupied country slowly turn more violent until they have to pay local warlords to quit attacking them, then wait a few years and slink out of the country is now "winning". Yeah, right skippy.

Killing of Osama bin Laden, made possible because of years and years of work going back to before Obama was even a senator, but some this is "his" doing.

Osama bin Laden was safe in Pakistan, who was being paid billions in foreign aid at the time, at the insistence of Dick Cheney, who was running the Pakistan policy out of his office and keeping the normal State Department and military advisers out of the loop. It was only after Obama became president that this was changed and it was only after that time that progress was made on taking him out. But I reckon that you really cannot credit Obama, because any normal functioning government would have done the same thing.
 
2012-03-14 10:29:46 AM  

qorkfiend: They won in 2000, 2002, and 2004.
Losses in 2006 and 2008 are almost solely attributable to George W. Bush and not their ideology as a whole.
2010 was a smashing success.
2012 doesn't look like it's shaping up to be the sort of crushinating that would be required - even if Obama wins the GOP will probably hold the House and take the Senate - and there's roughly a 50% chance they'll sweep and end up with both Houses of Congress and the White House for the second time in 10 years.



A lot of it really has to do with "getting out the vote". When voter interest is low Republicans tend to win because old people always vote. When voter interest is high Democrats often win. The Democrats have to get it into voters head that its their fault that Republicans won so large in 2010 and it'll be their fault if they do so again in 2012. We have to get people interested in more than just the Presidential vote.
//Oh Obama will win with or without my vote, I'll just stay home..
 
2012-03-14 10:32:42 AM  

mrshowrules: Here's a national security question for you.

Which POTUS (Obama, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum) is best positioned and capable of demonstrating the greatest international influence and leadership in matters of war, peace and international security?

Challenge: cross-check your results with the international community


That's a false challenge. America is, by an utterly insurmountable margin, the greatest country that has ever existed and ever will exist on this planet. The opinions of people outside of America are not only completely irrelevant, but wrong when they disagree with America.
 
2012-03-14 10:33:01 AM  
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2012-03-14 10:33:37 AM  

Death to New Rome: Obama is a better neo con than any of the republican candidates. Not only does he get the nod of aproval from the GOP for his "born again neo con" status, but he also comes with large group of liberal apologist that will defend him no matter what he does. As evidenced in this very thread.

And this is the reason he will win again in 2012. He is simply the best neo con for the job. Suck it useful idiot libs.


2/10. You might get a few nibbles with that one.
 
2012-03-14 10:34:48 AM  
Seriously... the US should just join Canada.

We have oil
We have banks that aren't dying
We have a (relatively) normal government
We have decriminalized marijuana
We have legalized gay marriage
You have warm places to go in winter.
You have more scantily-clad women per capita.

It's a win/win.
 
2012-03-14 10:36:30 AM  

Death to New Rome: Obama is a better neo con than any of the republican candidates. Not only does he get the nod of aproval from the GOP for his "born again neo con" status, but he also comes with large group of liberal apologist that will defend him no matter what he does. As evidenced in this very thread.

And this is the reason he will win again in 2012. He is simply the best neo con for the job. Suck it useful idiot libs.


Both sides are bad so feel morally superior to everyone by adopting a hipster kitty 'tude?

You rebel!
 
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