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(Fox News)   Native American tribe gets rare permit authorizing killing of two bald eagles for religious purposes. Mike Kafka and Phillip Hunt go into hiding   (foxnews.com) divider line 172
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2012-03-14 02:42:31 AM
NARF? I knew Pinky was behind this...
 
2012-03-14 02:47:32 AM
Well f*ck you. I'm going to to go bang some heroin and eviscerate a couple prostitutes, for religious purposes.

/BBL
 
2012-03-14 02:49:26 AM
Philly needs more bald players - I've never even heard of those two.
 
2012-03-14 07:18:56 AM
Kafka bugs me.
 
2012-03-14 07:36:24 AM

Vodka Zombie: Kafka bugs me.


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2012-03-14 08:51:18 AM
If they're going to kill it they'd better eat it.
 
2012-03-14 08:57:30 AM
And?
 
2012-03-14 09:03:00 AM
I'm gonna rise up, I'm gonna to kick a little ass, I'm gonna to kick some ass in the U.S.A., gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna kill an eagle. I'm gonna kick some butt, I'm gonna drive a big truck, I'm gonna rule this world, I'm gonna kick some ass, I'm gonna rise up, I'm gonna kick a little ass. ROCK, FLAG, and EAGLE!!
 
2012-03-14 09:22:28 AM
api.ning.com
 
2012-03-14 09:23:54 AM

Javacrucian: "That's unacceptable," White said after the court hearing. "How would a non-Indian feel if they had to get their Bible from a repository?"

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Well, if your people had managed to invent writing, maybe you'd just need a book.
 
2012-03-14 09:24:18 AM
I guess you can get a permit to do a damned illegal thing.

/not obscure
 
2012-03-14 09:24:35 AM
I'm going to rape and scalp the first woman that crosses my path today for Native American tribal purposes...
 
2012-03-14 09:27:38 AM
Please. Everyone knows the only religious freedom is the freedom to shame sluts and whores and have the government force doctors to perform unnecessary medical procedures and lie to their patients.
 
2012-03-14 09:27:42 AM
Perhaps the feathers are used in the building of traditional chickee huts.
 
2012-03-14 09:28:31 AM
The dangers of flying in Wyoming? Tell that to a religious eagle, how dangerous flying in Wyoming is.
 
2012-03-14 09:29:42 AM
For the life of me I dont understand why you can't even pick up an Eagle feather from the ground and keep it.

That you will get arrested for having one.

Is there any other country that has something like this?

/can you get arrested in Canada for having one as well?
 
2012-03-14 09:29:50 AM
I have no problem with this.
 
2012-03-14 09:30:09 AM
Well they are starting to overpopulate.
 
2012-03-14 09:31:09 AM
The Federal gov't is maintaining a repository and processing religiously-based applications? That seems rather Constitutionally suspect to me, unless there are fees attached to the application sufficient to completely defray taxpayer expenses for administering the repository. Even then, I'm not sure...
 
2012-03-14 09:31:29 AM

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: For the life of me I dont understand why you can't even pick up an Eagle feather from the ground and keep it.

That you will get arrested for having one.

Is there any other country that has something like this?

/can you get arrested in Canada for having one as well?


yeah whats the problem with having a feather? i understand the killing of the eagles but keeping the feathers?
 
2012-03-14 09:32:23 AM
More proof that Obama hates America. Allowing these permits to be authorized is really sad. 'Hope & Change'....
 
2012-03-14 09:34:22 AM
Are they doing it for the religious event known as the Feast of the Delicious Fried Bald Eagle?

Say "Amen" and pass the drumstick.
 
2012-03-14 09:35:33 AM
I'm native American (born in the U.S.) but I don't belong to a tribe or anything. I think my family is originally from Denmark.
I think the article might be talking about American Indians. Not the red dot variety.
 
2012-03-14 09:35:50 AM
I'm sure PETA has no problem with this.
 
2012-03-14 09:37:59 AM

PanicMan: If they're going to kill it they'd better eat it.


They taste just like Whooping Crane.
 
2012-03-14 09:38:28 AM
Like they need Uncle Sam's permission.
 
2012-03-14 09:38:53 AM
This is ridiculous. NOT killing something violates your religious freedom? Hey, guess what, NOT killing religious nutbags violates MY religious freedom. Now let me get my gun...
 
2012-03-14 09:39:26 AM
Hunting bald eagles is illegal? Who knew!
 
2012-03-14 09:40:14 AM

pottie: PanicMan: If they're going to kill it they'd better eat it.

They taste just like Whooping Crane.


Still...we're not gonna protest.
 
2012-03-14 09:40:44 AM
Bald eagles have made an amazing recovery since the late 60s and early 70s, when they were being poisoned by DDT. There was serious concern that they would go extinct, which would have been... awkward for a nation that has the bald eagle as a national symbol. Their population at one point declined to about 1,000. Now they're flourishing again, and Native Americans killing a couple for ceremonial purposes is going to have no impact on the species at all. Triumphant fist bump, everybody wins, including the bald eagles.

Well, except for a couple. Those are not going to win at all. But hey, can't make a bald eagle omelet without breaking a few bald eagle eggs.
 
2012-03-14 09:42:51 AM

Herr Morgenstern: This is ridiculous. NOT killing something violates your religious freedom? Hey, guess what, NOT killing religious nutbags violates MY religious freedom. Now let me get my gun...


I'll bet you thought this was so clever
 
2012-03-14 09:43:01 AM
I am ok with very limited permits as long as they make no special consideration for your race.

I doubt that is the case here.



Also bothers me when they go on about it being part of their culture/religion but when they get these permits to go after whales they aren't doing it like their culture used to (canoes and spears" but with motor boats and rifles. farking pick one.
 
2012-03-14 09:43:18 AM
By the terms of the 1851 Treaty of Fort Laramie between the United States and various tribes including the Cheyenne and Arapaho,[1] the Cheyenne and Arapaho were recognized to hold a vast territory encompassing the lands between the North Platte River and Arkansas River and eastward from the Rocky Mountains to western Kansas. This area included present-day southeastern Wyoming, southwestern Nebraska, most of eastern Colorado, and the westernmost portions of Kansas.[2] However, the discovery in November 1858 of gold in the Rocky Mountains in Colorado[3] (then part of the western Kansas Territory)[4] brought on a gold rush and a consequent flood of white emigration across Cheyenne and Arapaho lands.[3] Colorado territorial officials pressured federal authorities to redefine the extent of Indians treaty lands,[2] and in the fall of 1860 A.B. Greenwod, Commissioner of Indian Affairs, arrived at Bent's New Fort along the Arkansas River to negotiate a new treaty.[3] (new window)

Not only is this sort of limited permit for collection for religious reasons not controversial, the Cheyenne and Arapaho are entitled to much, much more. Like the entire eastern third of the State of Colorado (and parts of Wyoming, Nebraska, and Kansas, including Denver, Colorado Springs, and all the valuable real estate, natural gas, petroleum, timber, water, and farm production therein - it would be no exagerration to say that they had hundreds of billions of dollars stolen from them. So maybe you all should just put this in perspective rather than using this as another Fark opportunity to express thinly-veiled racism against American Indians.
 
2012-03-14 09:43:50 AM

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: For the life of me I dont understand why you can't even pick up an Eagle feather from the ground and keep it.

That you will get arrested for having one.

Is there any other country that has something like this?

/can you get arrested in Canada for having one as well?


Freakin Rican: yeah whats the problem with having a feather? i understand the killing of the eagles but keeping the feathers?


Allow me to explain:
We have four primary acts in this country that specifically protect eagles, 1.) Migratory Bird Treaty Act (international) and 2.) Bald Eagle and Golden Eagle Protection Act (national), 3.) Lacy Act and 4.) Endangered Species Act (post-listing monitoring program).

Both closely regulate the protection of Bald Eagles, as at one time they were 'on the brink' as it were, and are also seen as national symbol of pride here in America. To 'take' a bird (remove from the wild either by capture or killing) violates both the international treaty as well as the BEGEPA, and then to transport, or possess any part of them violates the Lacy Act, which makes it illegal to posess any part of a species taken in violation of a U.S. Law (here, the MBTA and the BEGEPA). The reasoning behind these rules is fairly common sense, someone could have picked that feather up off the ground, but they also could have killed the bird to get it and there's no way to prove it. In order to protect the species, the conservative approach is to err on the side of caution and just make it unlawful to possess any part of the species without the appropriate permits.
 
2012-03-14 09:44:27 AM
And lo, God did take a massive dump into the blender of retardation. He did set the blender to frappé and left it running while he went to the gym. When he returned, he poured the contents onto the earth, whereby they became all manner of humanity.

And God was mightily pleased, for now he had a source of entertainment.
 
2012-03-14 09:45:04 AM

spentmiles: Hunting bald eagles is illegal? Who knew!


You can't even pick up a bald eagle feather if you find it lying on the ground.
 
2012-03-14 09:45:46 AM
Living in rural area near the wmass/ny border I see bald eagles quite often these days, it's kinda sad when you see one running away from some bluebirds though. I agree with the posters saying a couple getting killed for some ceremony ain't gonna be a big deal.
 
2012-03-14 09:45:55 AM

give me doughnuts: Javacrucian: "That's unacceptable," White said after the court hearing. "How would a non-Indian feel if they had to get their Bible from a repository?"


Kennedy didn't like book repositories, either.
 
2012-03-14 09:46:13 AM

Freakin Rican: yeah whats the problem with having a feather? i understand the killing of the eagles but keeping the feathers?


Poachers. They would collect and sell the feathers and talons and so in the interest of preventing poaching, they banned anyone from having any feathers. Same reason you can't have any ivory anything anymore. In the eyes of the law, it's hard to distinguish between "I just found this on the ground" and "I took this from the corpse of an eagle I shot, but good luck finding it"

Bald Eagles are pretty far from rare anymore, they were removed from the endangered species list in 2007. Really, they should talk about opening up some limited hunting licenses on them except for them being a national symbol and all. At the very least, we shouldn't freak out that some tribe wants to kill a couple for a ceremony or headdress where the bird will be used in a useful manner instead of killed, plucked, and left to rot.
 
2012-03-14 09:46:23 AM
While I'm very much committed to the wellbeing of animals, I watched a program on the Makah tribe in Washington state about their whaling practices (http://www.makah.com/whalingtradition.html) Because these hunts are not done from a position of malevolence, but rather from a highly spiritual & ritualistic position, I do NOT have a problem with these permits. Pandering to the emotions of readers that eagles are a symbol of freedom is silly because indigenous peoples honored and respected these majestic creatures (and many other creatures) long before their lands were brutally stolen by white people. Indigenous people have different needs for celebrating their religious beliefs. As a country that prides itself for offering freedom of religious expression, we should be open to helping enable others, not hinder their beliefs. Aloha nui loa.
 
2012-03-14 09:47:00 AM
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2012-03-14 09:47:20 AM
www.lolroflmao.com
 
2012-03-14 09:47:58 AM
Gee, since it is in the name of "religious freedom", well, I'm an Aztec and I demand to be allowed to do human sacrifices, it is for my "religion".
 
2012-03-14 09:48:03 AM

liam76: I am ok with very limited permits as long as they make no special consideration for your race.

I doubt that is the case here.


And you'd be wrong. Anyone can get a permit as long as you have a reasonable explanation for why you need it. Scientists aren't discriminated against because their race.
 
2012-03-14 09:48:22 AM

Sybarite: I'm gonna rise up, I'm gonna to kick a little ass, I'm gonna to kick some ass in the U.S.A., gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna kill an eagle. I'm gonna kick some butt, I'm gonna drive a big truck, I'm gonna rule this world, I'm gonna kick some ass, I'm gonna rise up, I'm gonna kick a little ass. ROCK, FLAG, and EAGLE!!


Someone needs to go America all over their asses.

mimg.ugo.com
 
2012-03-14 09:49:33 AM

Freakin Rican: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: For the life of me I dont understand why you can't even pick up an Eagle feather from the ground and keep it.

That you will get arrested for having one.

Is there any other country that has something like this?

/can you get arrested in Canada for having one as well?

yeah whats the problem with having a feather? i understand the killing of the eagles but keeping the feathers?


the feather is used for lures to catch the magic fish. these are not available to all mortal men.
 
2012-03-14 09:49:36 AM
Hmm, let's see. We slaughtered your people by the thousands, stole your land, and obliterated your way of life. I SUPPOSE we could give you some leeway now.
 
2012-03-14 09:50:55 AM

Spindle: Freakin Rican: yeah whats the problem with having a feather? i understand the killing of the eagles but keeping the feathers?

Poachers. They would collect and sell the feathers and talons and so in the interest of preventing poaching, they banned anyone from having any feathers. Same reason you can't have any ivory anything anymore. In the eyes of the law, it's hard to distinguish between "I just found this on the ground" and "I took this from the corpse of an eagle I shot, but good luck finding it"

Bald Eagles are pretty far from rare anymore, they were removed from the endangered species list in 2007. Really, they should talk about opening up some limited hunting licenses on them except for them being a national symbol and all. At the very least, we shouldn't freak out that some tribe wants to kill a couple for a ceremony or headdress where the bird will be used in a useful manner instead of killed, plucked, and left to rot.


Killing an animal entirely for the purpose of a religious ritual does not use the animal in a "useful manner".
 
2012-03-14 09:51:00 AM
They should bring them to the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay to take a few. Damn things are everywhere, displacing the Ospreys.
 
2012-03-14 09:51:10 AM

PsychoLaurie: While I'm very much committed to the wellbeing of animals, I watched a program on the Makah tribe in Washington state about their whaling practices (http://www.makah.com/whalingtradition.html) Because these hunts are not done from a position of malevolence, but rather from a highly spiritual & ritualistic position, I do NOT have a problem with these permits. Pandering to the emotions of readers that eagles are a symbol of freedom is silly because indigenous peoples honored and respected these majestic creatures (and many other creatures) long before their lands were brutally stolen by white people. Indigenous people have different needs for celebrating their religious beliefs. As a country that prides itself for offering freedom of religious expression, we should be open to helping enable others, not hinder their beliefs. Aloha nui loa.


I also do not have a problem when the Japanese have a whale blood letting orgy.

It's spiritually uplifting. The carnage is breathtaking - orgasmic in a way.

Preach on my fellow brother and spirit cousin. Hakuna matata...
 
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