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2012-03-14 07:11:08 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Fast forward to this week, when the president's Energy Secretary Steven Chu acknowledged Tuesday at a Senate hearing that he indeed told the Wall Street Journal in September 2008 that getting U.S. prices up to higher, European-level gas prices would help move Americans to use more renewables.

What they forgot to mention was that Chu advocated that gas prices rise to European levels over a period of 15 years so Americans could finally get off of their asses and start getting serious about getting off of the oil teat.

And that's pretty much the only thing that will get Americans to get serious about the energy problems we face.

But hey, it's not like we've been staring this problem in the face for 42 years or anything. We totally have plenty of time to deal with it. Let's just drill some more oil. That should fix the problem.


i'm pretty sure alternative energy will become mainstream when it becomes as convenient and abundant and cheap as current methods

the only thing high gas prices do is force people to either drive less often or drive more fuel efficient cars - which doesn't have anything to do with alternative energy - see Europe
 
2012-03-14 07:11:37 AM  

cryinoutloud: James F. Campbell: cryinoutloud: I believe that we'd be better off if a lot of people were sterilized, maybe even against their will. Doesn't mean I'd put together a sterilization army if I had the power.
Oh, I would.

Oh I know YOU would. Look, maybe we could just do a stealth sterilization project or something. Or we can just wait until the fertilizers and other poisons in the water do it for us. We're getting there.


Genetically Modified feed for beef,pork and poultry. Growth hormones given to beef,pork and poultry. What could go wrong?
 
2012-03-14 07:12:39 AM  

Little.Alex: And just about 3 posts ago, you said that mentioning big government socialism was a straw man


Big government != Socialism. But nice try,

You haven't answered my question: are you trolling or are you just an idiot?
 
2012-03-14 07:12:40 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: ronaprhys: But the solution should be forced to show commercial viability first

You don't actually understand how science works, do you?

Funny story: near where I grew up Dupont used to have a huge complex called the Marshall Labs. It was used to test to see if the products of lab research could be scaled up into full-blown industrial production. Sometimes they could, and sometimes they couldn't Dupont spends billions on pure research and doesn't worry about whether or not the results are commercially viable until they actually have a result.


I grew up next door to a horse ranch. "Show commercial vitality" indeed.
 
2012-03-14 07:13:15 AM  

Little.Alex: I notice that that graph is from Baker Hughes. It says so right on the graph.


and your point? other than the one on top of your head. is....
 
2012-03-14 07:15:30 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Little.Alex: DaSwankOne: The fact is that we are drilling 5 times more oil wells today than we were when Obama took office. This includes a 75% increase in the Gulf of Mexico over the last year. We have tried the whole "drill baby drill" thing and gas prices continue to climb.


citation?

/pure bullshiat.

[si.wsj.net image 225x280]

yeah you're right about the "pure bullshiat" but wrong about who is spewing it.

We tried to tell you that increasing the domestic production wouldn't make a dent in the price but hey "drill baby drill" sounded good. it fit on a bumper sticker.



That's a great graph you posted.

It's from Baker Hughes. It says so right on the graph.

Except when you visit the Baker Hughes website, They don't claim any big increase in oil production. -Much less state the increase on Federal Land that is the subject of my criticism of Obama. Obama has throttled production on public land and offshore. There has been an increase on private land, where Obama has been unable to stop it.
 
2012-03-14 07:15:30 AM  

EnviroDude: Isn't it funny how during an election year we learn that the administration now understands the impact of high fuel costs on the economy. And we learn that they are motivated to do anything to lower prices despite how little the POTUS can impact them other than to get out of the way to stimulate domestic production.


I'll just leave this here:
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2012-03-14 07:17:32 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: ronaprhys: But the solution should be forced to show commercial viability first

You don't actually understand how science works, do you?

Funny story: near where I grew up Dupont used to have a huge complex called the Marshall Labs. It was used to test to see if the products of lab research could be scaled up into full-blown industrial production. Sometimes they could, and sometimes they couldn't Dupont spends billions on pure research and doesn't worry about whether or not the results are commercially viable until they actually have a result.


Oddly enough, I do understand. Quite well. As well as the economics behind product develop and R&D.

However, you appear to lack the capacity to comprehend what I wrote. Do this: Go back and actually read what I wrote then see if you can respond to it. If not, I'll be more than happy to attempt to explain in more detail.
 
2012-03-14 07:17:49 AM  
By BOBBY JINDAL. Governor of Louisiana.

With rising energy costs making it more expensive to drive our cars, heat our homes, and fuel our sputtering economy, many Republicans are criticizing the Obama administration for a failure to adopt a comprehensive energy policy. I believe that critique lets the president off too easily. His administration does have a national energy policy-it's just a subservient by-product of his radical environmental policy.

This administration willfully ignores rational choices that would lower energy prices and reduce U.S. reliance on foreign energy sources.

In 2011, the average annual prices of a barrel of oil and a gallon of gas were higher than at any time in the last 150 years. If we are going to be serious about rebuilding our economy and helping American families who are struggling to make ends meet, this president must take action.

To pursue national and economic security, the president's first obligations on energy should be to increase the quantity of domestic energy sources and to decrease the cost of that energy to consumers. That starts with implementing a clear strategy of increasing energy production in all sectors-including the hydrocarbon sources abhorred by the left-and by providing the kind of long-term regulatory certainty that private capital demands before investment.

While the president is quick to tell anyone who will listen that domestic oil production is higher today than at any time since 2003, that's not the whole story. The truth is that today's production levels are not based on anything this president has done, but on the decisions made by private companies before he took office. And much of this production is taking place on private land.

Because energy prices are driven by a sense of future risk, the president should create a more predictable environment for exploration and production. In an election year, the federal government is now suddenly attempting to reach pre-moratorium-that is, pre-2010 BP oil spill-levels for approving deep-water drilling permits. That's not enough. The average number of deep-water drilling permits approved monthly by the administration is down by nearly 30% from the historical norm prior to the spill.

The reality is that the Obama administration slowed the permitting process long before the spill happened. Rather than playing catch up, we're falling further behind. The American people and the oil and gas industry need certainty that energy independence, not politics, will drive our nation's security.

The president should also start opening new fields where there is clear bipartisan local support-along the mid-Atlantic coast, the Eastern Gulf, and in Alaska's National Wildlife Refuge-and he should stop slow-walking lease sales for onshore drilling on federal lands, which in 2011 reached an all-time low (since 1984), when discounting for leases sold in previous years.

He could also send a clear signal that his administration will not shut down the revolutionary hydrofracking technique that is making our nation the world leader in natural gas. It's an industry that supported more than 600,000 jobs in 2010 and is expected to add more than a quarter million more jobs by 2015. The affordable prices that come with abundant natural gas have a tremendous impact on our steel manufacturers, fertilizer companies, plastics companies and individuals who need to heat their homes and fuel their vehicles. If you want more manufacturing, you need cheap and reliable natural gas-period.

By signaling its understanding that fracking is a safe way to produce energy, the administration would allay immense concern and encourage private industry to invest in a more extensive natural gas distribution and utilization infrastructure.

Third, the president could reverse a series of cabinet-level decisions that are at odds with a strategy of affordable domestic energy production. That starts with rebuking Energy Secretary Steven Chu, who once said that our goal should be to increase gasoline prices to the levels seen in Europe. It also means suspending regulations like Tier 3 gasoline standards that are expected to increase gas prices by 25 cents a gallon. And it means ordering the Environmental Protection Agency to go in the opposite direction from its currently hostile stance on domestically abundant clean coal energy.

These regulations-plus the mere threat of flawed proposals like cap and trade, which in 2008 the president said would "bankrupt" anyone who wanted to open a coal plant-are sending a message that the United States is not a viable place for major, multiyear capital investments.

Some estimates suggest that the U.S. could overtake Russia as the world's top producer of oil and gas by 2020, and we should not be singling out one industry for tax increases that would inevitably lead to higher prices for American consumers. Rather than punish one type of producer in favor of crony capitalism, we should adopt a flatter tax code with lower rates and no loopholes that allows different energy types to compete in the marketplace.

Finally, the president should announce today that he's going to reverse his decision on the Keystone XL pipeline. This pipeline would produce 20,000 construction jobs and 100,000 indirect jobs, and it would provide a much-needed transportation line between oil refineries along our Gulf Coast and production facilities in Canada, not to mention the booming Bakken oil fields of Montana and North Dakota. Our friends to the north have been reliable and steadfast trading partners, and the president should be making this pipeline decision on policy grounds instead of cheap political appeals to his liberal base.

President Obama claims to be focusing this election year on the American economy. To make that pledge true, he must make wholesale changes to his energy policy and put energy prices and energy independence ahead of zealous adherence to left-wing environmental theory.

Mr. Jindal, a Republican, is governor of Louisiana.
 
2012-03-14 07:18:32 AM  

Interceptor1: Chu: Gas prices are too low.
DC: Obama's ratings are down partly due to high gas prices. He doesn't get re elected, you're out of a job.
Chu: Gas prices are too high.

Politicians are really only good at doing one thing, getting votes. That's why there is no leadership in this country. Leaders aren't good at getting votes.


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2012-03-14 07:20:38 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: The vast majority of SUVs bought in the last twenty years have been purchased by suburban families and have carried nothing heavier than a load a groceries or their owner's wide ass.


More like "I didn't see them all pulling trailers on my commute so the owners must not be using them properly".
Trucks were considered expensive to fill up from before Obama. Not every owner buys one because they want a big fuel bill. If its a commuter, its often because they got things to do and can't afford an additional vehicle.
What the cost of gas does is cut back on your other plans. You drive less and buy less, but the big vehicle is still a necessity for many.

Dwight_Yeast: ...or the government could subsidize alternatives and help get people into things like electrics and hybrids, as it's been doing.


...And how's that been working out?
The Chevy volt an unadulterated success, millions of commuters driving a Tesla or a Leaf, or was everyone out buying cheaper gasoline vehicles?

We could waste time checking the sales figures but I think you'd know how they look.
If higher gas prices were a plan, the plan was fail.

People are just buying less gas and accomplishing less as a result.
 
2012-03-14 07:21:04 AM  

Little.Alex: By BOBBY JINDAL. Governor of Louisiana.


OK, there's the troll line. I believe your question has been answered, Dwight_Yeast.
 
2012-03-14 07:21:49 AM  
So if I get this right, "conservatives" believe that cheap gas is coming back if somebody just adopts the right "policies", and are, essentially, blaming obama for failing to nationalize the petroleum industry.
Weird.
 
2012-03-14 07:23:05 AM  

Mearen: The market should decide, not the gubment.


Hey, what a great idea. We trusted the market when it came to banking, and that turned out just spiffy.
 
2012-03-14 07:23:24 AM  

Little.Alex: Mr. Jindal, a Republican, is governor of Louisiana.


So you've resorted to spamming the thread? Okay! Bye-bye!
 
2012-03-14 07:24:02 AM  
*Checks to see if LA has bothered to try and dispute my earlier post*

Nope? LOL.

Bottom line is Democrats have way saner more reality-based theories on how to navigate the necessary transition ahead off of fossil fuels and onto renewables. The GOP just hands the OilCos carte blanche to "drill, baby, drill" without seriously assessing environmental impact and calls that a policy. They are also fond of utterly lying about what a President's ability to influence the price of gas is depending on who's in office at the moment. Republicans also like to lie about the impact increased drilling has on domestic price. The idea that oil production has fallen under Obama and would rise under a Republican regime (as it didn't do under Bush) is, again, a lie. One we've already seen posted a few times ITT.

Ah, Republicans, is there anything they won't lie about?
 
2012-03-14 07:25:05 AM  

jso2897: So if I get this right, "conservatives" believe that cheap gas is coming back if somebody just adopts the right "policies", and are, essentially, blaming obama for failing to nationalize the petroleum industry.
Weird.


Believing that cheap oil could come back - probably
Believing that the right policies would help that happen - probably
blaming Obama - certainly (for just about everything)
nationalizing oil - what the shiat is this?

Are you attempting to say that they want the oil industry nationalized? That they're criticizing Obama for failing in a goal that Obama had?
 
2012-03-14 07:25:51 AM  
 
2012-03-14 07:28:40 AM  

way south: Not every owner buys one because they want a big fuel bill. If its a commuter, its often because they got things to do and can't afford an additional vehicle.


I think you may be biased based on your location; all vehicles and fuel are expensive where you are, and SUVs are rare.

There have been studies and most SUVs are bought for personal, not commercial use.

Anecdotally, it is rare in this area to see an SUV carrying more than the driver. Al that weight and all that wasted fuel is being used to transport one person.
 
2012-03-14 07:29:52 AM  

Little.Alex: Hobodeluxe: Little.Alex: DaSwankOne: The fact is that we are drilling 5 times more oil wells today than we were when Obama took office. This includes a 75% increase in the Gulf of Mexico over the last year. We have tried the whole "drill baby drill" thing and gas prices continue to climb.


citation?

/pure bullshiat.

[si.wsj.net image 225x280]

yeah you're right about the "pure bullshiat" but wrong about who is spewing it.

We tried to tell you that increasing the domestic production wouldn't make a dent in the price but hey "drill baby drill" sounded good. it fit on a bumper sticker.



I notice that that graph is from Baker Hughes. It says so right on the graph.

Dwight_Yeast: way south: For every SUV that was carrying a rap star or soccer mom, a half dozen more carried building supplies and marketable goods.

...or the government could subsidize alternatives and help get people into things like electrics and hybrids, as it's been doing.


And just about 3 posts ago, you said that mentioning big government socialism was a straw man. Now, you expect Government to ignore the constitution and force people to buy things they don't want, and hand more cash over to the politically connected.

It must be tough, when your own posts argue with themselves.


Hey dumb Fark Baker Hughes is the company that does the rig count.
 
2012-03-14 07:30:33 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Little.Alex: Mr. Jindal, a Republican, is governor of Louisiana.

So you've resorted to spamming the thread? Okay! Bye-bye!


he's a little lying bastard troll. he says if you go to Baker Hughes website you find that domestic production has decreased which is a blatant lie. He parrots Jindal's partisan bullshiat like it was some ultimate gospel of truth while lying about industry numbers. He's a threadshiatter.
 
2012-03-14 07:33:10 AM  

way south: ..And how's that been working out?
The Chevy volt an unadulterated success, millions of commuters driving a Tesla or a Leaf, or was everyone out buying cheaper gasoline vehicles?
We could waste time checking the sales figures but I think you'd know how they look.
If higher gas prices were a plan, the plan was fail.
People are just buying less gas and accomplishing less as a result.


So how'd your marriage work out? Oh, you don't know yet, it's only been a few years? I guess it's a complete failure then isn't it?
 
2012-03-14 07:33:22 AM  
Obama himself said it was Bush's fault when he was running in 2008, and I am inclined to believe it is still Bush's fault, now.

Somehow.

Citation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQb_4hXLx2Q
 
2012-03-14 07:33:48 AM  

Hobodeluxe: He's a threadshiatter.


Yup. And threadshiatters get Ignored.
 
2012-03-14 07:34:11 AM  

ronaprhys: jso2897: So if I get this right, "conservatives" believe that cheap gas is coming back if somebody just adopts the right "policies", and are, essentially, blaming obama for failing to nationalize the petroleum industry.
Weird.

Believing that cheap oil could come back - probably
Believing that the right policies would help that happen - probably
blaming Obama - certainly (for just about everything)
nationalizing oil - what the shiat is this?

Are you attempting to say that they want the oil industry nationalized? That they're criticizing Obama for failing in a goal that Obama had?


They say they want Obama to impact domestic prices and supplies by opening up domestic exploration and recovery. The only way the latter would accomplish the former is under nationalization. Otherwise, we are just putting more profits in oil company pockets and more oil in Chinese and Indian tanks.
But, no - cheap gas is never coming back, and it is frighteningly delusional to believe that it can or will. We could untax gas, and that would drop prices for a year or two, until they came back up to the max that people will pay - but then we'd be back where we started. The oil companies can sell all the product they produce, at whatever the market will bear, from here on out - there is no more "demand check" in the supply/demand equation. America is not the market any more.
A few more little trickles of oil are not going to save us, if we continue down our current path - and "drill baby drill" is a delusional denial of that fact.
 
2012-03-14 07:38:10 AM  

ronaprhys: Go back and actually read what I wrote


Uh, you said:

ronaprhys: But the solution should be forced to show commercial viability first, not just potential. Put it into market, see if it sticks


Basically, you're saying: before we fund anything it should be commercially viable. Things don't become commercially viable until they're fully scaled up.

For instance: electric power didn't become commercially viable to much of this country until after the government subsidized the creation of the power grid. Likewise with the railroads.
 
2012-03-14 07:38:21 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Dwight_Yeast: Little.Alex: Mr. Jindal, a Republican, is governor of Louisiana.

So you've resorted to spamming the thread? Okay! Bye-bye!

he's a little lying bastard troll. he says if you go to Baker Hughes website you find that domestic production has decreased which is a blatant lie. He parrots Jindal's partisan bullshiat like it was some ultimate gospel of truth while lying about industry numbers. He's a threadshiatter.


The funny thing about that stat is that I have yet to hear anyone from the administration talk about the number of domestic oil rigs going from 250 to 1250 in the last three years. It is almost like they are saving that gem to really embarrass the Republican in the debates.
 
2012-03-14 07:38:28 AM  

quatchi: *Checks to see if LA has bothered to try and dispute my earlier post*

Nope? LOL.

Bottom line is Democrats have way saner more reality-based theories on how to navigate the necessary transition ahead off of fossil fuels and onto renewables. The GOP just hands the OilCos carte blanche to "drill, baby, drill" without seriously assessing environmental impact and calls that a policy. They are also fond of utterly lying about what a President's ability to influence the price of gas is depending on who's in office at the moment. Republicans also like to lie about the impact increased drilling has on domestic price. The idea that oil production has fallen under Obama and would rise under a Republican regime (as it didn't do under Bush) is, again, a lie. One we've already seen posted a few times ITT.

Ah, Republicans, is there anything they won't lie about?




Bottom line is this administration is a bunch of crooks, who have used the Department of Energy as a Cash Machine, and quashed the oil industry to shore up the votes of the extremist Left - without regard to the economic impact on average people. The President has made war on the oil industry, and it shows at the pump. You have to be delusional not to see it - and to ignore his comments to the Brazilian Oil industry, and his video taped comments about gas prices from 4 years ago.

So Solyndra, Bright Source, Beacon Power, EnerDel and the dozens of failed green energy projects are "rational"? Like the Government Motors electric car that they just took out of production? I guess it looks rational for the campaign finance guys who are receiving billion$ in taxpayer money, but it's a shame they keep going bankrupt. I don't think "rational" means what you think it means.

Ah Democrats, is there anything they don't lie about when they're stealing billions?
 
2012-03-14 07:38:49 AM  

jso2897: They say they want Obama to impact domestic prices and supplies by opening up domestic exploration and recovery. The only way the latter would accomplish the former is under nationalization. Otherwise, we are just putting more profits in oil company pockets and more oil in Chinese and Indian tanks.
But, no - cheap gas is never coming back, and it is frighteningly delusional to believe that it can or will. We could untax gas, and that would drop prices for a year or two, until they came back up to the max that people will pay - but then we'd be back where we started. The oil companies can sell all the product they produce, at whatever the market will bear, from here on out - there is no more "demand check" in the supply/demand equation. America is not the market any more.
A few more little trickles of oil are not going to save us, if we continue down our current path - and "drill baby drill" is a delusional denial of that fact.


I heartily agree, and endorse your plan for the development of a viral weapon that will wipe out anyone who looks Indian or Chinese.
 
2012-03-14 07:43:14 AM  

rubi_con_man: jso2897: They say they want Obama to impact domestic prices and supplies by opening up domestic exploration and recovery. The only way the latter would accomplish the former is under nationalization. Otherwise, we are just putting more profits in oil company pockets and more oil in Chinese and Indian tanks.
But, no - cheap gas is never coming back, and it is frighteningly delusional to believe that it can or will. We could untax gas, and that would drop prices for a year or two, until they came back up to the max that people will pay - but then we'd be back where we started. The oil companies can sell all the product they produce, at whatever the market will bear, from here on out - there is no more "demand check" in the supply/demand equation. America is not the market any more.
A few more little trickles of oil are not going to save us, if we continue down our current path - and "drill baby drill" is a delusional denial of that fact.

I heartily agree, and endorse your plan for the development of a viral weapon that will wipe out anyone who looks Indian or Chinese.


That newsletter was sent out by an overzealous staffer.
 
2012-03-14 07:46:01 AM  

Little.Alex: Bottom line is this administration is a bunch of crooks, who have used the Department of Energy as a Cash Machine, and quashed the oil industry to shore up the votes of the extremist Left - without regard to the economic impact on average people. The President has made war on the oil industry, and it shows at the pump. You have to be delusional not to see it - and to ignore his comments to the Brazilian Oil industry, and his video taped comments about gas prices from 4 years ago.


Where's your figures for how much the Iraq War cost? Or are you ignoring THAT? Seems like that worked out well too, if your only metric is how much gas costs......Bah, you're going on ignore. Even your trolls are old and tired.
 
2012-03-14 07:47:15 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Little.Alex: Except when you visit the Baker Hughes website, They don't claim any big increase in oil production. -Much less state the increase on Federal Land that is the subject of my criticism of Obama. Obama has throttled production on public land and offshore. There has been an increase on private land, where Obama has been unable to stop it.

that's bullshiat too.

- The federal government Thursday announced plans to sell off oil and gas leases on 38 million acres of the Gulf of Mexico seafloor in a new domestic energy push by the Obama administration.

...

In his weekly radio and Internet address, Mr. Obama said the administration would begin to hold annual auctions for oil and gas leases in the Alaska National Petroleum Reserve, a 23-million-acre tract on the North Slope of Alaska.

The U.S. Department of the Interior said Nov. 3 it is auctioning off 3 million acres of drilling leases in Alaska's National Petroleum Reserve. The auction will take place Dec. 7.

The sale will offer 283 tracts within Alaska and other federally managed areas.


So now that he's hurting in the polls; he's back tracking on what he's done the previous 3 years. So he's a self serving hypocrite. That shouldn't surprise you from a Democrat politician.

Not surprising, but I'm glad to see Obama admit the Republicans were right all along. He must have been listening to Sarah Palin, who is obviously much smarter than he is. Why else would he be aping her?
 
2012-03-14 07:49:05 AM  

cryinoutloud: Little.Alex: Bottom line is this administration is a bunch of crooks, who have used the Department of Energy as a Cash Machine, and quashed the oil industry to shore up the votes of the extremist Left - without regard to the economic impact on average people. The President has made war on the oil industry, and it shows at the pump. You have to be delusional not to see it - and to ignore his comments to the Brazilian Oil industry, and his video taped comments about gas prices from 4 years ago.

Where's your figures for how much the Iraq War cost? Or are you ignoring THAT? Seems like that worked out well too, if your only metric is how much gas costs......Bah, you're going on ignore. Even your trolls are old and tired.



Well you should ignore me. You'd feel stupid less often. And WTF does the Iraq war have to do with anything - except changing the subject when you've made a fool of yourself?
 
2012-03-14 07:51:53 AM  

cryinoutloud: Little.Alex: Bottom line is this administration is a bunch of crooks, who have used the Department of Energy as a Cash Machine, and quashed the oil industry to shore up the votes of the extremist Left - without regard to the economic impact on average people. The President has made war on the oil industry, and it shows at the pump. You have to be delusional not to see it - and to ignore his comments to the Brazilian Oil industry, and his video taped comments about gas prices from 4 years ago.

Where's your figures for how much the Iraq War cost? Or are you ignoring THAT? Seems like that worked out well too, if your only metric is how much gas costs......Bah, you're going on ignore. Even your trolls are old and tired.


Yeah - but blaming Bush for anything but the short-term spikes in prices his policies created is just as dumb as blaming Obama for same - the price of gas is only headed one place, no matter what either of them did or do - and it's not a place anybody is going to like. You can throw all the bums out and hire new bums - but that isn't going to change in the long run.
 
2012-03-14 07:55:12 AM  
He never argued that high prices were good.

Anyhoo, Obama is getting reelected and I will heat my home with the burning rage of republican racists.
 
2012-03-14 07:56:00 AM  

Little.Alex: So now that he's hurting in the polls; he's back tracking on what he's done the previous 3 years. So he's a self serving hypocrite. That shouldn't surprise you from a Democrat politician.


those articles are 1-2 yrs old depending on the one you're talking about. so no, the 3 years since jan 09 weren't wasted you moron. but in the end it doesn't matter. We could open up everything and it wouldn't take the price down. not one cent.
 
2012-03-14 07:58:37 AM  

Little.Alex: cryinoutloud: Little.Alex: Bottom line is this administration is a bunch of crooks, who have used the Department of Energy as a Cash Machine, and quashed the oil industry to shore up the votes of the extremist Left - without regard to the economic impact on average people. The President has made war on the oil industry, and it shows at the pump. You have to be delusional not to see it - and to ignore his comments to the Brazilian Oil industry, and his video taped comments about gas prices from 4 years ago.

Where's your figures for how much the Iraq War cost? Or are you ignoring THAT? Seems like that worked out well too, if your only metric is how much gas costs......Bah, you're going on ignore. Even your trolls are old and tired.


Well you should ignore me. You'd feel stupid less often. And WTF does the Iraq war have to do with anything - except changing the subject when you've made a fool of yourself?


Because you are so farking stupid, I am forced to repeat my earlier post so that you might find the time to get some very tired lips, to wit:

The conservative stupidity about gas prices is just stupid as stupid gets. Gasoline is a world-wide commodity. The refineries in the U.S. that make our gasoline are EXPORTING gasoline to other countries because the price of gasoline is a WORLD-WIDE price. When you conservatards realize that the POS has NO control over the price of gasoline you will be a little less stupid, but only a little. No amount of drilling for extra oil is going to increase the refinery capacity and the people who build refineries don't want to because by restricting the amount of refining capacity they make MORE money. It's just farking stupid to be a conservative. Remember the good old days when gasoline was a by-product of the oil industry that was dumped into the streams and eventually the Cayahoga (sp?) River burned for several years as a result? Also, we can make cars get amazingly better gas mileage. Finally, ALL the oil that was to be brought down by the Keystone pipeline was eventually going to be exported. Just farking stupid.
 
2012-03-14 08:01:49 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: He never argued that high prices were good.

Anyhoo, Obama is getting reelected and I will heat my home with the burning rage of republican racists.


If we did that. We would truly achieve energy independence.

But as far as fossil fuels are concerned, we will never be fully "energy independent" because COMMODITIES DON'T WORK THAT WAY!!!

So can we stop pushing this lie that we can?
 
2012-03-14 08:02:07 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Little.Alex: So now that he's hurting in the polls; he's back tracking on what he's done the previous 3 years. So he's a self serving hypocrite. That shouldn't surprise you from a Democrat politician.

those articles are 1-2 yrs old depending on the one you're talking about. so no, the 3 years since jan 09 weren't wasted you moron. but in the end it doesn't matter. We could open up everything and it wouldn't take the price down. not one cent.


Well, no - these guys are probably right, as far as they go. if we were to kowtow and bow down to the oil companies, and give them every little thing they want, they would probably let us have somewhat cheaper gas for a while.
But it won't be much cheaper.
And it won't be for long.
And then, we'll be right back paying out the ass for gas, and our domestic supplies will be gone, and they will have made a huge mess.
It really blows my mind that a bunch of Farkers who are normally so cynical about everything are such baldfaced, naive Pollyannas about this. They really think the oil companies will appreciate it and reward us if we are nice to them.
They really think gas is expensive because mean old Obama is hurting the nice oilmen's feelings.
 
2012-03-14 08:07:35 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: He never argued that high prices were good.

Anyhoo, Obama is getting reelected and I will heat my home with the burning rage of republican racists.




Except on that video tape where he says that he wants much higher gas prices, and in his choice of energy secretary who told the WSJ in 2008 that gas at $8/gallon was a goal of this administration.

And it's the Dems who say that the only thing that matters is skin colour. I mean; what was Obama's other qualification?

And we'll see about that election. I think you underestimate the sanity of the American People.
 
2012-03-14 08:14:30 AM  

MartinD-35: Little.Alex: cryinoutloud: Little.Alex: Bottom line is this administration is a bunch of crooks, who have used the Department of Energy as a Cash Machine, and quashed the oil industry to shore up the votes of the extremist Left - without regard to the economic impact on average people. The President has made war on the oil industry, and it shows at the pump. You have to be delusional not to see it - and to ignore his comments to the Brazilian Oil industry, and his video taped comments about gas prices from 4 years ago.
...
The conservative stupidity about gas prices is just stupid as stupid gets. Gasoline is a world-wide commodity. The refineries in the U.S. that make our gasoline are EXPORTING gasoline to other countries because the price of gasoline is a WORLD-WIDE price. When you conservatards realize that the POS has NO control over the price of gasoline you will be a little less stupid, but only a little. No amount of drilling for extra oil is going to increase the refinery capacity and the people who build refineries don't want to because by restricting the amount of refining capacity they make MORE money. I'm just farking stupid.....




So you're saying Obama is a liar when he NOW says drilling will drive down prices, and everything else is a conspiracy? And you uncovered this conspiracy in your Mom's basement?

They'd have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those meddling kids!

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So which is it? Was Ostupid a liar on his recent statements that drilling and production will have an effect on gas prices? Or was he a liar last month when he said drilling and producion have no effect on gas prices?
 
2012-03-14 08:15:23 AM  

Little.Alex: Except on that video tape where he says that he wants much higher gas prices, and in his choice of energy secretary who told the WSJ in 2008 that gas at $8/gallon was a goal of this administration.


... and in 2007, when the economy was white-hot, that was probably a good thing. The Intervening recession, and cash-for-clunkers program has probably done much of that without a redonkulous gas price hike.

I'd love to see a Luxury Tax on Vehicles over a given weight. It'd be a great way to a) get automakers to lower vehicle weight and b)reduce the average size of a car on the highway

/seriously - moved from the city to the suburbs.
// SUVs went from 20% of the road population to like 65%.
 
2012-03-14 08:15:25 AM  

Little.Alex: HotWingConspiracy: He never argued that high prices were good.

Anyhoo, Obama is getting reelected and I will heat my home with the burning rage of republican racists.



Except on that video tape where he says that he wants much higher gas prices, and in his choice of energy secretary who told the WSJ in 2008 that gas at $8/gallon was a goal of this administration.


Right, but he didn't say it would be "good".

And it's the Dems who say that the only thing that matters is skin colour.

No they don't. And "colour"? You're not even American.

I mean; what was Obama's other qualification?

I dunno, ask McCain.

And we'll see about that election. I think you underestimate the sanity of the American People.

Yeah, they are all fired up for President Romney.
 
2012-03-14 08:16:51 AM  

david_gaithersburg: ...I'm out of work NOW, and need to put food on the table TODAY! One day you will understand.


I understand already, you're a failure and want to blame it on "libs," because you're a white male and if you failed it must be the fault of "them."

And, since you're unemployed, you undoubtedly get some form of government assistance, but don't acknowledge that, and you want benefits cut for "those people" but not you since you deserved it.

Don't worry though, if we cut taxes for the rich and raise your taxes, everything will be better. Just ask the job creators who aren't hiring you.
 
2012-03-14 08:19:04 AM  

Interceptor1: Chu: Gas prices are too low.
DC: Obama's ratings are down partly due to high gas prices. He doesn't get re elected, you're out of a job.
Chu: Gas prices are too high.

Politicians are really only good at doing one thing, getting votes. That's why there is no leadership in this country. Leaders aren't good at getting votes.


Pretty much, yep.
 
2012-03-14 08:25:21 AM  
We already pay about $5/gallon in the United States when you take into account that money is taken out of my paycheck to give corporate subsidies to oil companies that already generate tens of billions in profits every year without help.

End corporate welfare in sectors who don't need growth and aren't pushing a national interest.
 
2012-03-14 08:28:45 AM  
Bad idea in an election year, good idea the year after that.

Obama's energy policy is just like dating a born again college girl: all wind and sunshne, no drilling.
 
2012-03-14 08:28:52 AM  

Little.Alex: Obama has been intentionally destroying an important industry, and that has inflicted economic hardship on millions of people.


I think the saddest thing about your posts isn't the outright ignorance, it's that I can't tell whether you're serious or just attempting to drive page views.
 
2012-03-14 08:29:06 AM  

david_gaithersburg: I'm out of work NOW, and need to put food on the table TODAY!


So it's somebody else's fault that you're unemployable? Isn't "personal responsibility" a core tenet of the Right?

Little.Alex: And you uncovered this conspiracy in your Mom's basement?


Well, you uncovered the one where serving politicians have apparently been openly lining their pockets and personally benefitting from shady dealings from your basement. Sorry Warlock, I meant "Command Centre".
 
2012-03-14 08:31:30 AM  
That's all you've got, FauxNews? A quote from a guy before the economy went tits up and long before he was even considered for a cabinet post? Are you that upset that Rush's slut comments are still in the news & nobody's paying attention to Breitbart's Derrick Bell tape?
 
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