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2012-03-14 12:23:56 AM
Fast forward to this week, when the president's Energy Secretary Steven Chu acknowledged Tuesday at a Senate hearing that he indeed told the Wall Street Journal in September 2008 that getting U.S. prices up to higher, European-level gas prices would help move Americans to use more renewables.

What they forgot to mention was that Chu advocated that gas prices rise to European levels over a period of 15 years so Americans could finally get off of their asses and start getting serious about getting off of the oil teat.

And that's pretty much the only thing that will get Americans to get serious about the energy problems we face.

But hey, it's not like we've been staring this problem in the face for 42 years or anything. We totally have plenty of time to deal with it. Let's just drill some more oil. That should fix the problem.
 
2012-03-14 12:38:23 AM
Oh FFS. He can believe something objectively (and he's right--it would be better for everybody in the long run) and still not think that it should be shoved down everyone's throat.

I believe that we'd be better off if a lot of people were sterilized, maybe even against their will. Doesn't mean I'd put together a sterilization army if I had the power.
 
2012-03-14 01:29:58 AM
Literally just the first 4 comments I opened up to

Chu needs to go to China to fix their economy. - germanmom

Must be nice being a Chinese man in America saying that we needed to pay higher gasoline.Thanks alot chu! - toots1948


Never thought I'd see the American people vote to destroy their own nation but their doing a fine job of it with Obama and Holder as our Masters since 2009.
- sevensteps

OK
So last week he was asked a question and gave a very specific answer
This week he is allowed to "Backpedal" And gives a totally different answer.

Was he lying under oathe then?
Or is he lying under oathe now?

I'm curious would a Republican been ALLOWED to backpedal?

If I ever get put on trial and the prosecutor asks me a question and I give the wrong answer I will just tell the jury myself I'm going to "Backpedal" so ignore everything I just said.
The judge will allow it i'm sure...Right?
 
2012-03-14 04:36:19 AM
The guy is nuts.

If there were a real alternative to oil right now that would be fine, but there's not - so he's nuts.

No one is opposed to alternatives to oil, but we don't need national leaders that live in fantasy land either. There is no algae or switch grass solutions right now. Those things simply do not exist. There is no point in harming the US national economy pretending that they do either.

People like Obama, Chu, and Gore are fine no matter what gas prices are because they are set, but there are a lot of Americans and American businesses that are not set. So fark these losers that push policies that raise prices when they have no skin in the game. There are other people that are actually going to suffer for the lefties fantasies that are a long way off, and may never arrive.
 
2012-03-14 05:03:45 AM
I bought his eternal life toe rings already. What the fark else is he trying to sell now?
 
2012-03-14 05:13:22 AM
Oh wait!

So you mean it WASN'T a good idea for Americans to load up on SUVs during the temporary lull in gas prices after the Financial Crisis?

DOH!

2008: "Can't Sell Your SUV? Blame It On The Cost of Gas"
http://www.cnbc.com/id/24709420/Can_t_Sell_Your_SUV_Blame_It_On_The_C o st_of_Gas

2009: "Surprise: Dealers Can't Keep Up With Demand For SUVs"
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2009-06-24/wall_street/29985690_1 _ green-cars-truck-plant-big-truck-market
 
2012-03-14 05:13:48 AM
Isn't it funny how during an election year we learn that the administration now understands the impact of high fuel costs on the economy. And we learn that they are motivated to do anything to lower prices despite how little the POTUS can impact them other than to get out of the way to stimulate domestic production.

Yep. The government gave away plenty of our money to their "clean energy" cronies only to have them wash out and go bankrupt. Yet all they do is interfere and stand in the way of increasing drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and on government lands. What is so ironic is the boom that the industry is experiencing in shale gases. WOW! But we also see the administration going out of its way to deter that too.

So, Mr. Chu. Worried about job security in January? You can always get a job selling us $49.99 LED light bulbs, painting your roof white, or giving out tire gauges to insure our tires are properly inflated.
 
2012-03-14 05:15:55 AM
When did it become the Government's job to lower our standard of living, based on day dreams and guesses about what the future might be like? And where *exactly* is that in the Constitution?



/ Worst President since Buchanan.
 
2012-03-14 05:21:30 AM

EnviroDude: I'm a-threadshiattin'!


Of course you are, precious.
 
2012-03-14 05:23:18 AM
Gasoline prices SHOULD be at European levels, and they should be brought to that point by reducing income taxes and making gas taxes the sole source of funding for the military.

/yea, it would have to be done over a period of fifteen years or so.
 
2012-03-14 05:24:27 AM
Well his mistake wasn't lying, as usual with these things his mistake was telling the truth.

Oh well. It won't matter what this guy says, what people want, or how stupidly far they live from work when global oil demand (at the current prices anyways) far exceeds the supply. We're in for a rough ride.

At first I will laugh as I walk across the street to work, but probably not soon after this oil-fueled economy starts drying up I'll lose my job anyways. I'm guessing the military may be on a hiring spree by then though.

It's going to get bloody folks. Blood for oil won't just be on protesters signs, it will the title of the chapter on the 21st century in history books.
 
2012-03-14 05:25:23 AM

Little.Alex: When did it become the Government's job to lower our standard of living, based on day dreams and guesses about what the future might be like? And where *exactly* is that in the Constitution?


"Promote the general welfare", which is so near to the beginning of the document that even you should have read that far.
 
2012-03-14 05:26:51 AM
Wow, I had never read a Fox article before. I'm shocked by this article's incompetence. I mean,
While the president has repeatedly defended his record by saying there's "no silver bullet" to fix this problem, the public apparently does not agree
is ridiculous for a non-opinion article. I am starting to see how we get human beings asserting nonsense like modern bulbs are non-free, and algae does not exist.
 
2012-03-14 05:27:40 AM
Higher gas prices, if done is a slow, methodical matter would modivate people to drive smaller cars and we as a nation would be less dependent on other to fark with as we know it in the US.

A few people might have to drive smaller vehicles. This would be the end of the would as we know it to some people.

For those arguing about the cost on the economy, food, shipping, I believe that tax breaks could be established to offset that for specific classes of diesel. Isn't Kerosene colored red specifically so it isn't used on roads? Make OTR trucking diesel blue.
 
2012-03-14 05:29:25 AM

EnviroDude: Isn't it funny how during an election year we learn that the administration now understands the impact of high fuel costs on the economy. And we learn that they are motivated to do anything to lower prices despite how little the POTUS can impact them other than to get out of the way to stimulate domestic production.

Yep. The government gave away plenty of our money to their "clean energy" cronies only to have them wash out and go bankrupt. Yet all they do is interfere and stand in the way of increasing drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and on government lands. What is so ironic is the boom that the industry is experiencing in shale gases. WOW! But we also see the administration going out of its way to deter that too.

So, Mr. Chu. Worried about job security in January? You can always get a job selling us $49.99 LED light bulbs, painting your roof white, or giving out tire gauges to insure our tires are properly inflated.


Either this is a masterwork, or you actually think the solution involves increased drilling, expanding both the need and infrastructure devoted to fossil fuels.
 
2012-03-14 05:30:24 AM
The conservative disease is already strong in this thread.
 
2012-03-14 05:30:37 AM

Enemabag Jones: For those arguing about the cost on the economy, food, shipping, I believe that tax breaks could be established to offset that for specific classes of diesel. Isn't Kerosene colored red specifically so it isn't used on roads? Make OTR trucking diesel blue.


...or we could do what we've been doing and ship more goods by rail. Like we should have been doing all along.

/shipping by truck has always been a foolish waste of resources
 
2012-03-14 05:31:18 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Little.Alex: When did it become the Government's job to lower our standard of living, based on day dreams and guesses about what the future might be like? And where *exactly* is that in the Constitution?

"Promote the general welfare", which is so near to the beginning of the document that even you should have read that far.



Except that they are not Promoting the General Welfare. They are doing the opposite.

They are artificially creating a shortage to benefit cronies. Tell me about that section.

Where does it read, "The President shall, from time to time, receive millions in kick backs from Green energy companies in exchange for giving away tax payer cash and crushing oil production." Or did that emanate from a penumbra?
 
2012-03-14 05:31:47 AM

Enemabag Jones: Higher gas prices, if done is a slow, methodical matter would motivate people to drive smaller cars and we as a nation would be less dependent on other to fark with as we know it in the US.

A few people might have to drive smaller vehicles. This would be the end of the would as we know it to some people.

For those arguing about the cost on the economy, food, shipping, I believe that tax breaks could be established to offset that for specific classes of diesel. Isn't Kerosene colored red specifically so it isn't used on roads? Make OTR trucking diesel blue.


It would increase the incentive to use non-fossil energy resources. But higher prices would also cut into the wider economy, giving us less breathing room to explore alternatives. Complex system, no absolutes, etc.

And making the tax system even more complicated wouldn't help anyone except those with the means to acquire accountants.
 
2012-03-14 05:33:11 AM
Chu: Gas prices are too low.
DC: Obama's ratings are down partly due to high gas prices. He doesn't get re elected, you're out of a job.
Chu: Gas prices are too high.

Politicians are really only good at doing one thing, getting votes. That's why there is no leadership in this country. Leaders aren't good at getting votes.
 
2012-03-14 05:33:35 AM

Little.Alex: They are artificially creating a shortage to benefit cronies. Tell me about that section.


For the second time this week, the President of the United States is not the President of OPEC.
 
2012-03-14 05:34:50 AM

Interceptor1: Politicians are really only good at doing one thing, getting votes.


Good thing Chu is a physicist.
 
2012-03-14 05:35:46 AM
Dwight_Yeast,
Enemabag Jones: For those arguing about the cost on the economy, food, shipping, I believe that tax breaks could be established to offset that for specific classes of diesel. Isn't Kerosene colored red specifically so it isn't used on roads? Make OTR trucking diesel blue.
...or we could do what we've been doing and ship more goods by rail. Like we should have been doing all along.
/shipping by truck has always been a foolish waste of resources


Not to get in a 'no you are wrong' internet match. I would swear I heard (on NPR) that shipping corn is13 cent per bushell by truck, 19 cents a bushell by train, for one community keep a railroad line open.

/This could be entirely contextual for this case. I am not a logistics professional.
 
2012-03-14 05:36:01 AM

Interceptor1: Chu: Gas prices are too low.
DC: Obama's ratings are down partly due to high gas prices. He doesn't get re elected, you're out of a job.
Chu: Gas prices are too high.

Politicians are really only good at doing one thing, getting votes. That's why there is no leadership in this country. Leaders aren't good at getting votes.


Hitler was a leader. We don't need leaders, we need competent employees.

/Actually what we need is better voters.
 
2012-03-14 05:38:13 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Little.Alex: When did it become the Government's job to lower our standard of living, based on day dreams and guesses about what the future might be like? And where *exactly* is that in the Constitution?

"Promote the general welfare", which is so near to the beginning of the document that even you should have read that far.


Funny that you should quote one of the phrases in the document most commonly and egregiously misinterpreted to rationalize crass power-grabs. Punitive taxation for the purpose of social engineering does not promote anyone's welfare, and is an abuse of power in any case.
 
2012-03-14 05:40:31 AM

Little.Alex: Except that they are not Promoting the General Welfare. They are doing the opposite.


Incorrect. During WWII, by instituting rationing, the government greatly reduced the standard of living to assure that there would in fact be a country to protect the citizens in the long term.

Little.Alex: They are artificially creating a shortage to benefit cronies. Tell me about that section.

Where does it read, "The President shall, from time to time, receive millions in kick backs from Green energy companies in exchange for giving away tax payer cash and crushing oil production." Or did that emanate from a penumbra?


Also incorrect. And keep in mind that subsidies for green energy are a minute fraction of the amount of subsides we give to the oil industry.

But I know you're a troll and don't actually want to have a rational discussion so I won't waste any more of your time: threadshiat away!
 
2012-03-14 05:40:51 AM

Little.Alex: When did it become the Government's job to lower our standard of living, based on day dreams and guesses about what the future might be like? And where *exactly* is that in the Constitution?



/ Worst President since Buchanan.


So tell me, do you know of a magical oil generating fountain? Because we're drilling the stuff up much more quickly then it can be created by naturally occuring processes. It's not day dreams and guesses if you understand basic science.

/I know, that's probably asking way to much from you.
 
2012-03-14 05:42:10 AM

Millennium: Punitive taxation for the purpose of social engineering does not promote anyone's welfare


So raising taxes on tobacco didn't cause people to stop smoking thereby prolong their lives and quality of life?
 
2012-03-14 05:43:51 AM

Cat With Two Heads: Little.Alex: They are artificially creating a shortage to benefit cronies. Tell me about that section.

For the second time this week, the President of the United States is not the President of OPEC.



But he's done everything he can to stop domestic oil production. And driven up the cost of imported oil by devaluing the dollar with his insane spending.

From the WSJ:


"As for domestic energy, Mr. Obama rightly points to the rising share of U.S. oil consumption now produced at home. But this trend began in the late Bush Administration, which opened up large new areas on and offshore for oil and gas drilling that are now coming on stream. Mr. Obama sneered at expanded drilling as a candidate in 2008 and for most of his term has done little to expand it.

In early 2010, he proposed to open some new areas to drilling but shut that down after the Gulf oil spill. According to the Greater New Orleans Gulf Permits Index for January 31, over the previous three months the feds issued an average of three deep-water drilling permits a month compared to the historical average of seven. Over the same three months, the feds approved an average of 4.7 shallow-water permits a month, compared to the historical average of 14.7.

Approval of an offshore drilling plan now takes 92 days, 31 more than the historical average. And so far in 2012, an average of 23% of all drilling plans have been approved, compared to the average of 73.4%.

Oh, and don't forget the Keystone XL pipeline, which would have increased the delivery of oil from Canada and North Dakota's Bakken Shale to Gulf Coast refineries, replacing oil from Venezuela.

The reality is that most of the increase in U.S. oil and gas production has come despite the Obama Administration. It is flowing from the shale boom, which is the result of private technological advances and investment. Mr. Obama has seen the energy sun rise and is crowing like a rooster that he made it happen.

Mr. Obama yesterday also repeated his proposal that now is the time to raise taxes on oil and gas companies, as if doing so will make them more likely to drill. He must not believe the economic truism that when you tax something you get less of it, including fewer of the new jobs they've created."
 
2012-03-14 05:44:58 AM

Enemabag Jones: Not to get in a 'no you are wrong' internet match. I would swear I heard (on NPR) that shipping corn is13 cent per bushell by truck, 19 cents a bushell by train, for one community keep a railroad line open.

/This could be entirely contextual for this case. I am not a logistics professional.


That's entirely possible where you've got one rail line that only serves that one community and nothing else.

But I'm talking about the fact that we waste huge amounts of resources on long-haul trucking things which could be shipped by rail (obviously not everything can be shipped everywhere by rail anymore as so much of the network has been decommissioned).
 
2012-03-14 05:50:29 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: Either this is a masterwork, or you actually think the solution involves increased drilling, expanding both the need and infrastructure devoted to fossil fuels.


Are you saying that supply has nothing to do with energy independence? Natural gas reserves are over 100 years. Why? Because of exploration. Who knows what reserves we have regarding oil. If we don't allow the wildcatters to look for it, we may never find them.

That being said, the current mess we are in is the sole result of Obama's economic policy where he devalued our currency by printing it like crazy.

go figure
 
2012-03-14 05:50:45 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/6993091/75559045#c75559045" target="_blank">Dwight_Yeast</a>:</b> <i>Little.Alex: When did it become the Government's job to lower our standard of living, based on day dreams and guesses about what the future might be like? And where *exactly* is that in the Constitution?

"Promote the general welfare", which is so near to the beginning of the document that even you should have read that far.</i>

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson


"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison 1792



"In the first place, it is to be remembered, that the general government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws: its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects" James Madison, Federalist Number 14:


"This specification of particulars [the 18 enumerated powers of Article I, Section 8] evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority, because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless if a general authority was intended." - Federalist 83


"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~ Federalist No. 45
 
2012-03-14 05:51:23 AM

Little.Alex: But he's done everything he can to stop domestic oil production.


Increasing domestic oil production would not generate enough oil to satisfy our needs.

And you might want to look at a map of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline: it runs from Canada to the Gulf of Mexcio to the oil refined from the oil sands can be exported to China and India who desperately need it.

Or do you think we don't have any refineries between Canada and the Gulf Coast?
 
2012-03-14 05:51:52 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Little.Alex: Except that they are not Promoting the General Welfare. They are doing the opposite.

Incorrect. During WWII, by instituting rationing, the government greatly reduced the standard of living to assure that there would in fact be a country to protect the citizens in the long term.
Little.Alex: They are artificially creating a shortage to benefit cronies. Tell me about that section.

Where does it read, "The President shall, from time to time, receive millions in kick backs from Green energy companies in exchange for giving away tax payer cash and crushing oil production." Or did that emanate from a penumbra?

Also incorrect. And keep in mind that subsidies for green energy are a minute fraction of the amount of subsides we give to the oil industry.

But I know you're a troll and don't actually want to have a rational discussion so I won't waste any more of your time: threadshiat away!


So because we give the oil companies money, its okay for the president to recieve kickbacks on companies he gave lots and lots of money to?

/I dont know if thats true, but I do know you totally ignored the statement, so im assuming it is.
 
2012-03-14 05:53:54 AM

I sound fat: its okay for the president to recieve kickbacks on companies he gave lots and lots of money to?


What "kickbacks" is he receiving?

Anyone?

/I ignored it BECAUSE it was bullshiat
 
2012-03-14 05:54:31 AM

Little.Alex: ...crushing oil production...


Yeah, about that talking point.

I know how attached you are to it and everything but there's a bit of a problem with it.

It's totally wrong.

Oil production dropped under Bush the Lesser.

Oil production is up under Obama.

While domestic production declined each year under President Bush, falling from 5.8 million barrels per day to less than 5 million, production (XLS) has increased 11% since Obama came into office. It would have increased even more if a pesky oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico hadn't intervened.

Link (pops new)

Sorry to have to be the one to have to tell you the crayon you are wielding as a weapon is broken.

Pesky facts and their liberal bias, eh?
 
2012-03-14 05:54:40 AM

Little.Alex: But he's done everything he can to stop domestic oil production. And driven up the cost of imported oil by devaluing the dollar with his insane spending.


Ye gods, you really have no idea how macro-economies and commodity pricing work, do you? At least be intellectually honest, acknowledge that domestic production is at huge levels, and that the best factoid your quoted yet unreferenced article can come up with is a comparison between the first 2 months of this year with an uncited average.

Intellectual honesty or GTFO.
 
2012-03-14 05:54:45 AM
The conservative stupidity about gas prices is just stupid as stupid gets. Gasoline is a world-wide commodity. The refineries in the U.S. that make our gasoline are EXPORTING gasoline to other countries because the price of gasoline is a WORLD-WIDE price. When you conservatards realize that the POS has NO control over the price of gasoline you will be a little less stupid, but only a little. No amount of drilling for extra oil is going to increase the refinery capacity and the people who build refineries don't want to because by restricting the amount of refining capacity they make MORE money. It's just farking stupid to be a conservative. Remember the good old days when gasoline was a by-product of the oil industry that was dumped into the streams and eventually the Cayahoga (sp?) River burned for several years as a result? Also, we can make cars get amazingly better gas mileage. Finally, ALL the oil that was to be brought down by the Keystone pipeline was eventually going to be exported. Just farking stupid.
 
2012-03-14 05:55:24 AM

EnviroDude: I failed Economics


Of course you did, precious.
 
2012-03-14 05:56:22 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Little.Alex: Except that they are not Promoting the General Welfare. They are doing the opposite.

Incorrect. During WWII, by instituting rationing, the government greatly reduced the standard of living to assure that there would in fact be a country to protect the citizens in the long term.



Right; the president is given extraordinary powers in war time. What does that have to do with looting taxpayers for his pals today?


Little.Alex: They are artificially creating a shortage to benefit cronies. Tell me about that section.

Where does it read, "The President shall, from time to time, receive millions in kick backs from Green energy companies in exchange for giving away tax payer cash and crushing oil production." Or did that emanate from a penumbra?

Also incorrect. And keep in mind that subsidies for green energy are a minute fraction of the amount of subsides we give to the oil industry.



Completely false.

Wind subsidies make up about 40% of the price. Is there a single wind farm that would be in business without the taxpayer's tit? But The oil industry is a huge, huge net tax payer, with more money going to the government from the oil industry than share holders.
 
2012-03-14 05:58:45 AM

Little.Alex: Wind subsidies make up about 40% of the price.


That's a particularly useless lie with numbers on your part. We give billions in subsidies to oil, while the total subsidies to ALL green energy projects is something like $150 million.

Which is bigger a billion or a hundred million?
 
2012-03-14 05:59:20 AM

Little.Alex: There is no money to be made in selling oil.


I like ghare's method. D'aww.
 
2012-03-14 06:00:50 AM

Dwight_Yeast: That's a particularly useless lie with numbers on your part. We give billions in subsidies to oil, while the total subsidies to ALL green energy projects is something like $150 million.

Which is bigger a billion or a hundred million?


Thing Republicans like is 110% good! Thing Democrats like is 150% bad! Can't you math?
 
2012-03-14 06:01:50 AM
Cat With Two Heads
Enemabag Jones: Higher gas prices, if done is a slow, methodical matter would motivate people to drive smaller cars and we as a nation would be less dependent on other to fark with as we know it in the US.
A few people might have to drive smaller vehicles. This would be the end of the would as we know it to some people.
For those arguing about the cost on the economy, food, shipping, I believe that tax breaks could be established to offset that for specific classes of diesel. Isn't Kerosene colored red specifically so it isn't used on roads? Make OTR trucking diesel blue.

It would increase the incentive to use non-fossil energy resources. But higher prices would also cut into the wider economy, giving us less breathing room to explore alternatives. Complex system, no absolutes, etc.


What killed off bigblock engines in the early 70's and modivated people to drive small cars in the mid-70's and late 80's? Was it breathing room to explore alternatives....no. It was the OPEC gas enbargo.

I have heard that it is not economical to mine Canadian tar sands if gas is below X dollars a barrel. Buying a prius or a diesel does not make economic sense if gas is cheap.

I don't think as much investor interest would exist in hydrogen development, battery switching stations, or LPG stations if gas continues to be cheap.

We as a nation tend to be modivated only by a gun to our head in matters like this.

And making the tax system even more complicated wouldn't help anyone except those with the means to acquire accountants.

It is always easy to say it would make the tax code more complex. For things that matter it is worth it, and there is so much more tax code deserves to be torn apart. So I am sure you want to see other tax breaks complicating our tax code torn apart too?
 
2012-03-14 06:06:37 AM

Dwight_Yeast: I sound fat: its okay for the president to recieve kickbacks on companies he gave lots and lots of money to?

What "kickbacks" is he receiving?

Anyone?

/I ignored it BECAUSE it was bullshiat




No, he's completely correct. Go read up on Solyndra, and your posts wouldn't be such a gusher of ignorance and misinformation. Obama received over a million from the campaign fund raisers that make up the board of Solyndra: George Kaiser 39% owner, Solyndra's chief executive, Brian Harrison, and chief financial officer, W. G. Stover Jr.

And they pled the 5th rather than discuss how they bribed the president.

Great way to run an economy.

If Obama was a white guy, he would have been impeached over Solyndra. It's just pure corruption hiding behind Green Lunacy and his skin color.
 
2012-03-14 06:12:16 AM

Little.Alex: No, he's completely correct. Go read up on Solyndra, and your posts wouldn't be such a gusher of ignorance and misinformation. Obama received over a million from the campaign fund raisers that make up the board of Solyndra


So -according to you- he got the money from fundraisers, not from the members of the board themselves? Is there something illegal about raising money for a candidate?

And, campaign contributions are a form a free speech. The Supreme Court has said so. Supporting a candidate with money isn't a "kickback" it's a way of exercising your 1st amendment rights.

/or is this one of those "it's only okay when Republicans do it" things?
//also, if you give someone money and they do something for you, that's not a kickback, that's a bribe. :)
 
2012-03-14 06:13:32 AM
The fact is that we are drilling 5 times more oil wells today than we were when Obama took office. This includes a 75% increase in the Gulf of Mexico over the last year. We have tried the whole "drill baby drill" thing and gas prices continue to climb.
 
2012-03-14 06:13:39 AM

Little.Alex: When did it become the Government's job to lower our standard of living, based on day dreams and guesses about what the future might be like? And where *exactly* is that in the Constitution?
/ Worst President since Buchanan.


When the American people (and the world) are too farking stupid to come to grips with the fact that our entire way of life is unsustainable and built around an ever-dwindling resource. In fact, I'd say that's one of the primary reasons government should be getting involved in our lives--to help steer the country to a path that will keep it strong and able to compete with the rest of the world.

So we appear to be failing on that front too.

Dwight_Yeast: Little.Alex: When did it become the Government's job to lower our standard of living, based on day dreams and guesses about what the future might be like? And where *exactly* is that in the Constitution?
"Promote the general welfare", which is so near to the beginning of the document that even you should have read that far.


There you go--and shorter than I said it, too. but keep picking apart a point here and there, little alex, instead of conceding the larger point like an adult. You sound exactly like a politician--argue over the details for the sake of your ego, while the ship sinks. "I may have hit a rock, but I didn't hit THAT rock."
 
2012-03-14 06:13:39 AM
I really don't understand what the big problem that people have with algae biofuel is. With enough implementation this stuff could eventually stem the tide of foreign oil consumption. Why is this stuff being laughed at by the right?

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bonus: I see a lot of pros and few cons compared to conventional biofuel
 
2012-03-14 06:14:50 AM

Little.Alex: If Obama was a white guy, he would have been impeached over Solyndra. It's just pure corruption hiding behind Green Lunacy and his skin color.


Ah, yes, Solyndra. Does Monica Lewinsky work there or something?
 
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