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Iron Chef Scottish		2012-03-14 05:13:10 AM

Dadoody: Wouldn't it have been cheaper for the UK government to simply have a Universal Car Care just like they have Universal Health?

Just force everyone to pay the government to insure their cars.

They're already in the deep end. Might as well go full retard.

People like you are the reason your great country is sliding into the sh*tter.

Well, that and China.

Gothnet		2012-03-14 05:18:54 AM

TheMega: Waiting for the FOLLOWUP where some perfectly legal car/driver has tags misread (I for a 1, or 0 for an O, etc.) on his way to work, job interview, family emergency and is denied gas.... then the attendant gets the shiat kicked out of him for 20 minutes.

/or the guy really looses it, drives over the pumps and the place goes all Ramboesk

And now you know why there is a specific format for UK plates - AA XX AAA where A is a letter and X is a number. This neatly removes your concern.

Pert		2012-03-14 05:41:09 AM

gweilo8888: * You're out driving in BFE, and have accidentally let your insurance lapse yesterday. Insurance company didn't get you on the phone with a reminder yet. You let the tank run down because you know you can grab some later, pull into the station in a bad neighborhood and... no gas. You gon' get beaten and raped because you had to walk home through the bad neighborhood, all because you went a day over on the insurance. (OK, maybe the cut off isn't a day, but the point is, there is a cutoff somewhere and that cutoff decision is made by a computer that is unaware of individual circumstance, not to mention prone to error.)

* You don't renew your insurance or tags, because you don't actually drive your car any more. (Maybe you're elderly.) Then your loved one has a medical emergency and... oh shiat, the phone's out of battery. You get on the road to take them to hospital yourself, and the car runs out of gas. There's a gas station, but it's closed and you're blocked from getting gas at the pump. Your loved one slowly dies in the car while you walk to the nearest neighborhood and start banging on doors.

This rule, frankly, is idiotic because it has no get-out clause, and no nuance. Scan tags and pull over cars that are driving without insurance. Do NOT deny people the ability to get out of an emergency situation, especially when we all know damned well that somebody who really does have insurance will also be prevented from getting gas due to a typo / other clerical error.

Wow. In some incredibly unlikely scenarios there is the small likelihood that very occasionally somebody trying to do something illegal will suffer consequences?

Joce678		2012-03-14 05:43:54 AM

TheMega: Waiting for the FOLLOWUP where some perfectly legal car/driver has tags misread (I for a 1, or 0 for an O, etc.) on his way to work, job interview, family emergency and is denied gas.... then the attendant gets the shiat kicked out of him for 20 minutes.

/or the guy really looses it, drives over the pumps and the place goes all Ramboesk

UK license plates are designed to be read by cameras. They have an officially mandated font, etc. Any deviation from the standard font/spacing/size is an offense in itself.

Joce678		2012-03-14 05:49:18 AM

Gothnet: It's already mandatory to present your insurance certificate when paying your annual road tax. I guess a lot of people just let their insurance expire and don't renew in a timely fashion? Or maybe the don't pay road tax either.

or

c) Arrange to pay your insurance monthly and cancel the bank debit as soon as you get a tax disk.

Joce678		2012-03-14 05:53:15 AM

Flint Ironstag: Legally they have to ask for the cars documents to ensure that you have the right to that plate. In practice anyone can find someone to make a plate for them. Lots of people get a plate made that turns the number into a personal plate, like making the 7 look like a T, putting the gap in a different place so 181 LLS becomes 1 81LL S if your name is Bill Smith etc.

It's illegal and you'll be pulled over and fined by the first police car that sees it.

The Numbers		2012-03-14 06:06:19 AM

gweilo8888: Somebody getting hypothermia because they had to walk to help when their car ran out of gas in BFE the middle of the night, and the system wrongly denied them gas even though they carried insurance? That's very believable. Somebody getting hit by another car when they were walking on the side of a winding, unlit road without hi-vis clothing, because they didn't plan to be without their car? Equally believable. The chances that people will occasionally risk injury or worse from this system are there, whether or not you care to admit it.

Except it isn't exactly difficult to build in a workaround to avoid any of these scenarios, rare though they may be.

All you'd need to do is program the pumps to allow some fuel even when the vehicle doesn't register as being insured, but only a set maximum amount (and maybe at a slightly higher cost). This could provide enough for an emergency journey whilst also be sufficiently inconvenient / costly to deter the uninsured from doing it regularly.

Or the station could have a stock of pre-filled jerry cans to sell if needed, with the same effect.

Flint Ironstag		2012-03-14 06:17:08 AM

Joce678: Flint Ironstag: Legally they have to ask for the cars documents to ensure that you have the right to that plate. In practice anyone can find someone to make a plate for them. Lots of people get a plate made that turns the number into a personal plate, like making the 7 look like a T, putting the gap in a different place so 181 LLS becomes 1 81LL S if your name is Bill Smith etc.

It's illegal and you'll be pulled over and fined by the first police car that sees it.

That was my whole point, that while the law says one thing you can always find some dodgy dealer to make any plate you want.

Day_Old_Dutchie		2012-03-14 06:22:29 AM

Country Member: Gord, it's kinda sad that the Brits who so gallantly stood up against the Kaiser, and then the Nazis at such an enormous cost to safeguard freedom in the world are now so willing to roll over in the face of the actual realization of Orwell's nightmare without so much as a whimper.

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Big Brother is Watching you...in Portugal.

The Numbers		2012-03-14 06:31:21 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Country Member: Gord, it's kinda sad that the Brits who so gallantly stood up against the Kaiser, and then the Nazis at such an enormous cost to safeguard freedom in the world are now so willing to roll over in the face of the actual realization of Orwell's nightmare without so much as a whimper.

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Big Brother is Watching you...in Portugal.

At least get the country right...

darth_shatner		2012-03-14 06:31:44 AM

"Cameras at petrol stations will automatically stop uninsured or untaxed vehicles from being filled with fuel, under new government plans."

I don't think they've thought this cunning plan all the way through

www.proquip.com.au

And yeah - seriously the UK scares me more each day when it comes to this kind of crap. Lovely place otherwise though.

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across		2012-03-14 06:32:25 AM

gweilo8888:
And your argument is a straw man. Uninsured drivers aren't more likely to have an accident than insured ones. If anything, they're less likely, just for the very fact that they know that if they get caught, they are way up shiat creek without a paddle, and if they have an accident, they're almost guaranteed to get caught. Hence getting uninsured drivers off the road doesn't increase the fatality rate any more than getting an insured driver off the road would, and arguably less so. The UK has socialized healthcare, and so the amount of insurance the driver carries means little to nothing to the victim's chances of survival, either.

But there are wider public policy dimensions as driving uninsured often occurs alongside noncompliance with other vehicle requirements (like VED and MOT certification) as well as other criminal activity. Moreover, evidence from a range of sources suggests that uninsured drivers also have a higher likelihood of being involved in a road traffic accident.³ (new window)

Bloody reality, no respect for logic.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER		2012-03-14 07:37:34 AM

Azlefty: davidphogan: I worked at a gas station. The owners would make us pay when someone drove off after filling up, but we weren't allowed to change the rules to require customers to pay first.

If the owners are still allowed to charge me for $30 cause some asshole drive off with a tank of gas and I couldn't stop them (I wasn't allowed to try) I'm okay with this. That or go with the easy answer, and require people pre-pay?

1. If it reduced your pay below minimum wage they can't- Federal law- and in California this is illegal no matter what your wage is. In other States it depends on the laws

Just because there is a law doesn't mean there is a way to enforce it. You and I both live in a "Right To Work" state. All that means is that your employer can fire you without giving a reason.

My sister used to manage the bar at a popular upscale seafood restaurant in Northern California that had the same policy for their servers, requiring the servers to pay for "dine & dash" customers. Thieves liked to move to the bar after a meal, and then wait for their server to enter the kitchen before nonchalantly leaving. I have seen her vault the bar with her little baseball bat in hand, screaming "Call the cops!!!" and chase runners for blocks. Usually she and the police would arrive back at the restaurant at the same time, with her prodding the miscreant in the kidneys with her little bat, and berating him about ripping off the servers. She is fearless about keeping her job.

If you want to keep a lucrative job badly enough, you'll put up with some underhanded shiat from unscrupulous employers if you have to.

Harry Freakstorm		2012-03-14 07:55:23 AM

cowgirl toffee
Why is this closed circuit? Everyone should be able to enjoy this potential comedy gold!

This week on Gas Holes! When the pump fails to pump, the chump moves to another pump! What a dunce. And this suave gent sends his li'l Whitney in to the store to plead his case.

Attendant: Can I help you?
li'l Whitney: We need gas. Can you turn on the pump please?
Attendant: I need to see proof of insurance.
li'l Whitney: (Extensive cursing) (Pause) (Sweetly) We need gas to get to the... hospital.
Attendant: I'll be happy to call 911.
li'l Whitney: (Extensive cursing)

TiiiMMMaHHH		2012-03-14 07:55:34 AM

As interesting as this story is, I look forward to the story about the creative ways in which the citizenry gets around this oppression. Funny thing how that works...

footshot		2012-03-14 07:59:42 AM

~~Nanny State has~~ Government think tank hypothesises about CCTV cameras installed at gas stations that will automatically stop the pump if an uninsured car tries to fill up.

De-dramatised on your behalf subby :)

I think we'd be far more likely to see roadside fixed ANPR cameras, or perhaps something integrated into the next evolution of speed camera.

Flint Ironstag, you'll probably get a photo counterpart if you ever have to change address (or send in for endorsements). I started with a paper one, but they'll get you eventually. I don't think we'll ever be forced to carry it though, the national identity card got laughed out of town eventually, and I hope forced ID in any form would too.

Also, Wobbingpool brings the chuckles :)

Harry Freakstorm		2012-03-14 08:00:46 AM

A few years ago, I met with my insurance guy. He went over everything we were paying and suggested we increase our uninsured motorist coverage. We live in that part of the state where a lot of people don't carry insurance. So I asked him what happens when a guy who is uninsured has an accident.

He replied "We go after them but they usually don't have the means to repay us. The state of Illinois takes their license for 90 days (first offense?) but that doesn't stop them."

I said "You know what? You just convinced me that I don't need insurance either."

But I still have insurance.

TheGreatGazoo		2012-03-14 08:09:53 AM

How do you get gas for your lawnmowers and so forth?

When I lived near a gas station, I'd just walk up there with a can and buy some gas. Would I need to have a license plate on my lawnmower?

AndreMA		2012-03-14 08:10:24 AM

This sounds like a recipe for a lot more mishaps with gas cans injuring innocent bystanders and a lot more minor gasoline spills at service stations, resulting in more pollution.

Or are gasoline powered lawnmowers, off-road-vehicles and snowblowers outlawed there too?

/yeah, yeah. "petrol" -- which makes more sense.

MythDragon		2012-03-14 08:17:43 AM

meanwhile in Virginia, you just pay the state $500, and you can drive all you want without insurance.
The state gets some cash, and they care fark-all if someone dipshiat is out driving with no way to cover any property or medical damage he might cause.
Then they have the balls to require you to get uninsured motorist insurance.

WTF, Virginia?

Another Government Employee		2012-03-14 08:18:58 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Azlefty: davidphogan: I worked at a gas station. The owners would make us pay when someone drove off after filling up, but we weren't allowed to change the rules to require customers to pay first.

If the owners are still allowed to charge me for $30 cause some asshole drive off with a tank of gas and I couldn't stop them (I wasn't allowed to try) I'm okay with this. That or go with the easy answer, and require people pre-pay?

1. If it reduced your pay below minimum wage they can't- Federal law- and in California this is illegal no matter what your wage is. In other States it depends on the laws

Just because there is a law doesn't mean there is a way to enforce it. You and I both live in a "Right To Work" state. All that means is that your employer can fire you without giving a reason.

My sister used to manage the bar at a popular upscale seafood restaurant in Northern California that had the same policy for their servers, requiring the servers to pay for "dine & dash" customers. Thieves liked to move to the bar after a meal, and then wait for their server to enter the kitchen before nonchalantly leaving. I have seen her vault the bar with her little baseball bat in hand, screaming "Call the cops!!!" and chase runners for blocks. Usually she and the police would arrive back at the restaurant at the same time, with her prodding the miscreant in the kidneys with her little bat, and berating him about ripping off the servers. She is fearless about keeping her job.

If you want to keep a lucrative job badly enough, you'll put up with some underhanded shiat from unscrupulous employers if you have to.

My best dine and dash story involved a friend of mine. I was dining in his establishment one evening with my wife. After he took my order, he leaned down and told me to watch the table behind me. After working the floor for a while you get a sixth sense on these things. Sure enough, as soon as he hit the kitchen door, the party got up and headed for the door. I slipped in behind them (dressed in a suit) and when they turned to see if anyone had seen them I said: Sir, I don't believe you have paid your bill." Needless to say, the was some hemming and hawing but the check was paid.

My meal was comped.

\CSB
\\Got more (spent eight years as a waiter)
\\\It's amazing what people will try to get away with.

Pockafrusta		2012-03-14 08:20:36 AM

You are doing it WRONG, retards.

GDubDub		2012-03-14 08:30:36 AM

davidphogan: readbot42: woah, so I could all like, pull up to a gas pump with a tanker truck, get a few thousands gallons, drive off, and the attendant would have to pay?? WTF, that's SCTV kinda shaite. ;-)

I had an RV drive off on me and had to pay something like $90, and at that time gas was about $1.20/gallon. It was farking bullshiat.

I was wondering how long ago this was. There have been laws in place for some time that prevent employers requiring employees to pay for those things as it's a "cost of doing business". The laws cover things like:

1) Gas station owners charging clerks for what you just mentioned
2) Pizza places charging delivery drivers for fake orders and/or delivery "discount if late" fees (though everyone I know has done away with discounts for late deliveries)
3) Restaurants charging waiters for dine-and-dashs.

Blueintheballs		2012-03-14 08:37:42 AM

This is a great idea. I've been hit by an uninsured bellend and i had to pay out for repairs to my car.

The only people who will have an issue with this are uninsured drivers (Fvk you!) and the deeply paranoid.

This text is now purple		2012-03-14 08:45:56 AM

Flint Ironstag: America made all its citizens show a passport when crossing the land border to its neighbour.

You can leave the US without a passport all you want. You need one to get back in.

SpectroBoy		2012-03-14 08:47:42 AM

davidphogan: I worked at a gas station. The owners would make us pay when someone drove off after filling up, but we weren't allowed to change the rules to require customers to pay first.

davidphogan: I had an RV drive off on me and had to pay something like $90, and at that time gas was about $1.20/gallon. It was farking bullshiat.

All I know is that under these circumstances (if the owner made me pay the $90) then more than $90 worth of vengeance would be mine.

If the worker is responsible for stopping loss they must also be empowered to implement anti-loss measures.

SpectroBoy		2012-03-14 08:50:04 AM

UsikFark: If you can capture the image of an insured license plate, and blow it up to the proper size, you will be fine.

Fortunately a license plate sized print can be printed on a normal 8.5 x 11 piece of paper.

I recommend cruising a local hotel and snapping out of state plates. Harder to verify.

/uninsured drivers suck and should be executed after an accident.

SpectroBoy		2012-03-14 08:54:45 AM

An un-retouched photo to ponder:

My take on it:

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Thisbymaster		2012-03-14 09:05:58 AM

Businesses decide who they sell to not the government.

The Numbers		2012-03-14 09:07:57 AM

SpectroBoy: An un-retouched photo to ponder:

[media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

My take on it:

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x282]

Really? I think humorous photoshops (new window) are a good thing. I particularly like the Captain Scott and Mark Twain ones.

Voiceofreason01		2012-03-14 09:10:15 AM

Sgygus: Insurance should be paid for by the gallon, at the pump.

/a good old idea that never seems to go anywhere

I'm a safe and conscientious driver and you're a self absorbed, cell phone obsessed child; but because I drive more than you I should pay more for insurance?

/I'm not sure you've thought this clever plan all the way through

meanmutton		2012-03-14 09:23:35 AM

Sgygus: Insurance should be paid for by the gallon, at the pump.

/a good old idea that never seems to go anywhere

There's more to insurance rating than just how far you drive and how fuel efficient your vehicle is.

meanmutton		2012-03-14 09:25:17 AM

davidphogan: I worked at a gas station. The owners would make us pay when someone drove off after filling up, but we weren't allowed to change the rules to require customers to pay first.

If the owners are still allowed to charge me for $30 cause some asshole drive off with a tank of gas and I couldn't stop them (I wasn't allowed to try) I'm okay with this. That or go with the easy answer, and require people pre-pay?

They're not allowed to do that in the United States.

meanmutton		2012-03-14 09:35:15 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER		2012-03-14 09:37:51 AM

Voiceofreason01: Sgygus: Insurance should be paid for by the gallon, at the pump.

/a good old idea that never seems to go anywhere

I'm a safe and conscientious driver and you're a self absorbed, cell phone obsessed child; but because I drive more than you I should pay more for insurance?

/I'm not sure you've thought this clever plan all the way through

It's called "No Fault" insurance for a reason. Of course you're a safe and conscientious driver. And because there is no blame assessed, your rates don't go up, regardless. If you buy gasoline, you have insurance. You'd prefer to be in an accident with an uninsured motorist and have your rates rise because you tend to hit idiots? I don't understand your logic.

meanmutton		2012-03-14 09:38:20 AM

gweilo8888: CujoQuarrel: There is no way I would live in that country.

And we must work to keep America from turning into that.

Turning into?

*snort*

The US leads the way in this shiat, they just don't have the coolest technology. Deny you gas? No, we'll taze the bejesus out of you instead.

The US doesn't have the coolest technology? And the UK does?

O.M.E.		2012-03-14 09:39:29 AM

taurusowner: This just goes to show, when you give the government the ability to do something, they eventually will do it. FTA "Currently the system is designed to deter motorists from driving off without paying for petrol." That's how they sold it to the public. That's how they got the system in place.

When deciding if any government power is just or not, don't evaluate it in terms of how it is supposed to be used, or the best case scenario. Instead, evaluate it based on how it will be used in the worst way by the worst people. Because it eventually will. Only once you've done that, and you still think the government needs that power, should you vote to give it to them.

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

Mr. Webster has said many fine things, but I believe you have hit upon the finest.

dready zim		2012-03-14 09:57:16 AM

Came for the petrol cans. Left full of gas.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER		2012-03-14 10:05:22 AM

meanmutton: davidphogan: readbot42: woah, so I could all like, pull up to a gas pump with a tanker truck, get a few thousands gallons, drive off, and the attendant would have to pay?? WTF, that's SCTV kinda shaite. ;-)

I had an RV drive off on me and had to pay something like $90, and at that time gas was about $1.20/gallon. It was farking bullshiat.

It is bullshiat, which is why it's illegal under the Fair Labors Standards Act, unless the company has proof that you were the one who stole the gas.

Well, davidphogan, I guess that your incident never happened. Because there is a law.

I suppose you could be an illegal immigrant, in which case your employer is not required, and almost has a moral obligation to break the law, or your employer could be a national bank/gas station, in which case there are no laws. But there are no more exceptions, because as the old saying goes, "Laws are made to be followed".

hasty ambush		2012-03-14 10:13:30 AM

Kraftwerk Orange: [i55.tinypic.com image 379x214]

"This proposal will increase the potential for conflict. Our cashiers are not law enforcers."

Nuff said

MycroftHolmes		2012-03-14 10:25:44 AM

gweilo8888: You know, I was about to say I was all for this... until I actually thought about it for ten seconds.

* You're out driving in BFE, and have accidentally let your insurance lapse yesterday. Insurance company didn't get you on the phone with a reminder yet. You let the tank run down because you know you can grab some later, pull into the station in a bad neighborhood and... no gas. You gon' get beaten and raped because you had to walk home through the bad neighborhood, all because you went a day over on the insurance. (OK, maybe the cut off isn't a day, but the point is, there is a cutoff somewhere and that cutoff decision is made by a computer that is unaware of individual circumstance, not to mention prone to error.)

* You don't renew your insurance or tags, because you don't actually drive your car any more. (Maybe you're elderly.) Then your loved one has a medical emergency and... oh shiat, the phone's out of battery. You get on the road to take them to hospital yourself, and the car runs out of gas. There's a gas station, but it's closed and you're blocked from getting gas at the pump. Your loved one slowly dies in the car while you walk to the nearest neighborhood and start banging on doors.

This rule, frankly, is idiotic because it has no get-out clause, and no nuance. Scan tags and pull over cars that are driving without insurance. Do NOT deny people the ability to get out of an emergency situation, especially when we all know damned well that somebody who really does have insurance will also be prevented from getting gas due to a typo / other clerical error.

Dumb.

Dumb.

DUMB.

/sometimes I am ashamed to be of British extraction, we've turned into a nation of mindless drones who will accept anything so long as it "defeats" some section of the populace that the media has us whipped up into a frenzy over.

Wow. You are right, no one should ever be responsible for themselves.

Kraftwerk Orange		2012-03-14 10:41:41 AM

meanmutton: davidphogan: I worked at a gas station. The owners would make us pay when someone drove off after filling up, but we weren't allowed to change the rules to require customers to pay first.

If the owners are still allowed to charge me for $30 cause some asshole drive off with a tank of gas and I couldn't stop them (I wasn't allowed to try) I'm okay with this. That or go with the easy answer, and require people pre-pay?

They're not allowed to do that in the United States.

In Mt. Pleasant, SC, there is a law that *requires* pre-payment of gasoline. (new window) Nobody complains, and gas drive-offs have been pretty much eliminated.

RembrandtQEinstein		2012-03-14 10:44:02 AM

davidphogan: I worked at a gas station. The owners would make us pay when someone drove off after filling up, but we weren't allowed to change the rules to require customers to pay first.

Were you too much of a pussy to say "go fark yourself I'm not working under those conditions", or was that the only job you could get while on parole?

Kraftwerk Orange		2012-03-14 10:56:27 AM

hasty ambush: Kraftwerk Orange: [i55.tinypic.com image 379x214]

"This proposal will increase the potential for conflict. Our cashiers are not law enforcers."

Nuff said

I could make a similar analogy about my job, which has specific regulations describing how my business must operate...

ME: "No, sir, I'm afraid I can't let you do that, it's against city codes..."
THEM: "But I'm going to hurt you if you don't let me..."
ME: "Well, if you insist, I suppose that I can't stop you, and it's not my duty to enforce city regulations anyway..."

That's BS. I'd refuse service to my customer if they wanted me to aid and abet their breaking of the law.

The Numbers		2012-03-14 11:17:33 AM

Kraftwerk Orange: hasty ambush: Kraftwerk Orange: [i55.tinypic.com image 379x214]

"This proposal will increase the potential for conflict. Our cashiers are not law enforcers."

Nuff said

I could make a similar analogy about my job, which has specific regulations describing how my business must operate...

ME: "No, sir, I'm afraid I can't let you do that, it's against city codes..."
THEM: "But I'm going to hurt you if you don't let me..."
ME: "Well, if you insist, I suppose that I can't stop you, and it's not my duty to enforce city regulations anyway..."

That's BS. I'd refuse service to my customer if they wanted me to aid and abet their breaking of the law.

There's no way the petrol companies would let this be introduced as is; there's only downside for them. Only way it happens is if the government plays it like they do with alcohol licensing, and makes the business legally responsible for checking drivers are insured when they serve them. Then its a choice between having customers stand in line whilst the cashier checks their details manually, or using this system.

fireclown		2012-03-14 11:32:30 AM

knbwhite: Also, when I was stationed in England, I was amazed at what those people had to put up with. I would just shake my head and tell them their country needed a revolution.

I think that part of it is that the English are more willing to put up with minor inconveniences than Americans.

Kraftwerk Orange		2012-03-14 11:46:31 AM

The Numbers: Kraftwerk Orange: hasty ambush: Kraftwerk Orange: [i55.tinypic.com image 379x214]

"This proposal will increase the potential for conflict. Our cashiers are not law enforcers."

Nuff said

I could make a similar analogy about my job, which has specific regulations describing how my business must operate...

ME: "No, sir, I'm afraid I can't let you do that, it's against city codes..."
THEM: "But I'm going to hurt you if you don't let me..."
ME: "Well, if you insist, I suppose that I can't stop you, and it's not my duty to enforce city regulations anyway..."

That's BS. I'd refuse service to my customer if they wanted me to aid and abet their breaking of the law.

There's no way the petrol companies would let this be introduced as is; there's only downside for them. Only way it happens is if the government plays it like they do with alcohol licensing, and makes the business legally responsible for checking drivers are insured when they serve them. Then its a choice between having customers stand in line whilst the cashier checks their details manually, or using this system.

I'm only expressing my own opinion of what I would do if someone asked me to aid and abet them breaking a law in the course of my business. Of course, I'm a huge hypocrite as well, because there are certain times when I really hope that a business will break a law for my benefit - I like my hamburgers cooked rare, for example.

If the gas station operators don't want to participate, fine by me. OTOH, if they want to participate, use the system and keep uninsured bastages off the roads, that's wonderful!

CujoQuarrel		2012-03-14 11:47:12 AM

Flint Ironstag: Tenatra:

Here in the US you don't actually have to carry your drivers license on you. There is probably a law somewhere in the system that says you have to but if you know your social security number then an officer can look you up in the system through those means.

On a side note, I was pulled over by a Missouri State Highway Patrol officer this past weekend for not wearing my seat belt. He asked me to take a seat in the front passenger seat of his car while he was filling out the paperwork and I noticed a small camera inside his cruiser. I wondered if they are using it to build a larger database of faces since normally they'd only have you on file through mugshots

I understood you had to carry your licence while driving? I've even seen quite a few articles linked on Fark where cops have demanded a driving licence from people in shops or walking on the sidewalk.

And as I mentioned in another post, police here don't even have my mugshot. My driving licence does not have my photo on it and I have never supplied one.

You are supposed to carry your license while driving to prove that you are allowed on the roads. In the one instance that I was stopped and did not have it they just told me to bring in by the station in the next few days and I didn't even get a ticket.

You do not have to have any ID on you if you are not driving (I usually don't I keep it in the car). You are supposed to always give your name to the police when asked but I'm not sure what the official penalty is if you don't. I do know that giving a false identity is a crime.

Thunderpipes		2012-03-14 11:53:18 AM

America will be like this soon with the liberals in charge. Gobama.

Minorities and illegals will be exempt though, not fair for them to go get insurance, just like photo IDs and voting.

Evil Mackerel		2012-03-14 11:54:58 AM

Whats next?Heart plugs?Farking Harkonnens.

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