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2012-03-13 09:04:26 PM
Because TV sucks?
 
2012-03-13 11:42:10 PM
It's called 40k because that's how much you spend on it before you quit.
 
2012-03-13 11:50:12 PM
I have to cede some kudos to the geek whose gaming handle is I see lead people. But I have to wonder as to using a handle when playing someone in the same room as you. Understandable on the internet, but a bit weird otherwise.
 
2012-03-14 12:02:50 AM

r1niceboy: I have to cede some kudos to the geek whose gaming handle is I see lead people. But I have to wonder as to using a handle when playing someone in the same room as you. Understandable on the internet, but a bit weird otherwise.


They play on teams with names like Alfa Geek, Purple Pain and I See Lead People.
 
2012-03-14 12:03:29 AM
There's something basically wrong with sky-blue Necrons.

news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2012-03-14 12:04:47 AM
Say what you will about tabletop gaming, the fact that it's indoors and away from the public makes it less nerdy than LARPing.
 
2012-03-14 12:04:56 AM

van1ty: It's called 40k because that's how much you spend on it before you quit.


Having lost about $4,000 worth of 40k stuff to burglars, I can say that is not so far off the mark.
 
2012-03-14 12:05:10 AM
And, much like netflix, GW is trying desperately to kill itself. There are so many better games, with better rules out there today, it's sad they don't give a crap of what their fans want.
/for kith and kriel....
 
2012-03-14 12:09:52 AM
Too bad about the cost. I would be interested in playing otherwise.
 
2012-03-14 12:11:04 AM
Warmachine/Hordes. Better rules, faster game. Much better company.
 
2012-03-14 12:18:16 AM
Because sometimes playing while NOT in front of a screen is fun.

People have been doing this for a LONG time.
It's just this is a "fantasy" game,
but it's still strategy and tactics.

Hell, even chess is a derivative of the same idea.

/your move...
 
2012-03-14 12:38:34 AM
Relax Pal
news.bbcimg.co.uk
I'M FROM THE INTERNETS
 
2012-03-14 12:46:27 AM
Was visiting a friends house in seattle, when we were driving around the neighborhood they noticed an estate sale going on... apparently some middle aged geek had a heart attack. These two friends play warhammer, I do not. We walked around looking at the various furniture and stuff, down in the basement we see he has a crapload of warhammer 40k stuff. Some big tanks and vehicles and stuff... They got the whole lot for $50, and some of the stuff was still in their boxes and had stickers on them from the store that were more than what they paid. I was always amazed at how ridiculously expensive extruded plastic pieces that YOU have to paint were, and how eager nerds were to fork money over for them.
 
2012-03-14 12:48:37 AM
In before the "Warhammer ripped off Starcraft" trolls.
 
2012-03-14 12:50:56 AM
That was an extremely judgmental byline. Why are adults still being paid for bad journalism?

/never played 40K, or any other tabletop
//still thank the community for the "X FOR THE X GOD!" line
 
2012-03-14 12:52:13 AM
If you have to ask why, then you'll never understand...
 
2012-03-14 12:53:57 AM

echri: Was visiting a friends house in seattle, when we were driving around the neighborhood they noticed an estate sale going on... apparently some middle aged geek had a heart attack. These two friends play warhammer, I do not. We walked around looking at the various furniture and stuff, down in the basement we see he has a crapload of warhammer 40k stuff. Some big tanks and vehicles and stuff... They got the whole lot for $50, and some of the stuff was still in their boxes and had stickers on them from the store that were more than what they paid. I was always amazed at how ridiculously expensive extruded plastic pieces that YOU have to paint were, and how eager nerds were to fork money over for them.


Well, on one hand, some of those extruded plastic pieces are representative of some absolutely incredible sculpting work (even more so for resin kits). In addition, at least with the Games Workshop stuff, it's a much higher quality plastic than you'll find your average Revel or Monogram kit. On the other hand, $50 for a tank model the size of a large grapefruit is pretty pricey. Then again, most hobbies end up being money sinks anyway.
 
2012-03-14 12:55:46 AM
...blood for the blood god?
 
2012-03-14 12:58:45 AM
Were Necrons ever even a playable army? Admittedly I only played Necromunda, but at that point Necrons were a random encounter army.

Actually I'm sure they must have been, since Redemptionists were also a playable army even though they were introduced as a random encounter type army.

Now I feel ripped off for not being able to field a Necron army in Necromunda.
 
2012-03-14 01:01:24 AM

echri: Was visiting a friends house in seattle, when we were driving around the neighborhood they noticed an estate sale going on... apparently some middle aged geek had a heart attack. These two friends play warhammer, I do not. We walked around looking at the various furniture and stuff, down in the basement we see he has a crapload of warhammer 40k stuff. Some big tanks and vehicles and stuff... They got the whole lot for $50, and some of the stuff was still in their boxes and had stickers on them from the store that were more than what they paid. I was always amazed at how ridiculously expensive extruded plastic pieces that YOU have to paint were, and how eager nerds were to fork money over for them.


Seattles pretty huge in the board/table/card game area... must be the weather...

// did my stint in Lotr/wotr/40k/fantasy/mtg/warmachine....
 
2012-03-14 01:04:51 AM

tankjr: Were Necrons ever even a playable army? Admittedly I only played Necromunda, but at that point Necrons were a random encounter army.

Actually I'm sure they must have been, since Redemptionists were also a playable army even though they were introduced as a random encounter type army.

Now I feel ripped off for not being able to field a Necron army in Necromunda.


I have no idea what they are like now, but when they were first introduced into 40k, the Necrons were absurdly over powered.

A Necron Lord could potentially have a 2+ invulnerable save...and nearly all of Necron units have a 3+ resurrection roll if you should happen to kill them...and no morale checks...and really long range weapons...
 
2012-03-14 01:08:09 AM

Teufelaffe: A Necron Lord could potentially have a 2+ invulnerable save...and nearly all of Necron units have a 3+ resurrection roll if you should happen to kill them...and no morale checks...and really long range weapons...


I have no idea what you're talking about, but that does smell like some bullshiat.
 
2012-03-14 01:25:04 AM
Umm... guys, you know what else hit the streets in Britain 25 years ago, wasting people's time to this very day?

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-14 01:40:12 AM

Teufelaffe: van1ty: It's called 40k because that's how much you spend on it before you quit.

Having lost about $4,000 worth of 40k stuff to burglars, I can say that is not so far off the mark.



Yeah, but can you imagine their faces when they opened up your cases, expecting high end electronics gear or guns or something and found your Warhammer 40k figures? The look on their faces must have been priceless. :)
 
2012-03-14 01:45:01 AM

mongbiohazard: Teufelaffe: van1ty: It's called 40k because that's how much you spend on it before you quit.

Having lost about $4,000 worth of 40k stuff to burglars, I can say that is not so far off the mark.


Yeah, but can you imagine their faces when they opened up your cases, expecting high end electronics gear or guns or something and found your Warhammer 40k figures? The look on their faces must have been priceless. :)


Well, now that you mention it, that is kinda amusing.

"Hey man, what did you score?"
"Dunno yet, let's open this case and find out."
"...WTF is a 'Space Ork'"?
 
2012-03-14 01:49:41 AM
Why are grown men still launching tabletop war?

Oh, I dunno. What are "grown men" supposed to do in their free time?
Watch football and yell at the screen?
Drink their lives away at a pub?
Sip cognac until they look and smell like an old boot?
 
2012-03-14 01:54:05 AM
LITERALLY just got into this like a month ago. Got dragged to the store with a friend, and sunday was "Noob friendly" day - they ran us thru a game with someone basically DMing us to keep the game moving. Of course they let us use the store's display models and we played on the super detailed table with the ruined city... and like that, I was forking over $100 for the starter set.

Now I'm painting my last death copter in the set, and contemplating what army to specialize in. (must admit that those tyranid monsters are very, very farking cool)

/CSB
// was pumped to go back to the store last weekend and note that my guys looked better than the store display models! (art degree and toy design job FTW!)
 
2012-03-14 01:59:51 AM
OOH, just watched the video, and that guys minis looked like poodoo! Yikes!

/paint snob
 
2012-03-14 02:05:24 AM

Life_in_LA: LITERALLY just got into this like a month ago. Got dragged to the store with a friend, and sunday was "Noob friendly" day - they ran us thru a game with someone basically DMing us to keep the game moving. Of course they let us use the store's display models and we played on the super detailed table with the ruined city... and like that, I was forking over $100 for the starter set.

Now I'm painting my last death copter in the set, and contemplating what army to specialize in. (must admit that those tyranid monsters are very, very farking cool)

/CSB
// was pumped to go back to the store last weekend and note that my guys looked better than the store display models! (art degree and toy design job FTW!)


Just don't waste money on any of the "dips" that they sell for quick shading. It gives you the same effect you can get with a can of Minwax Polyshade at a huge markup (1 qt. can of Minwax Polyshade - $15. 8oz can of "Quickshade" figure dip - $30)

They are actually different substances, but you get the same effect with the Minwax at almost 1/10th the price.
 
2012-03-14 02:23:22 AM
nerd alert
 
2012-03-14 02:47:01 AM

Teufelaffe: Life_in_LA: LITERALLY just got into this like a month ago. Got dragged to the store with a friend, and sunday was "Noob friendly" day - they ran us thru a game with someone basically DMing us to keep the game moving. Of course they let us use the store's display models and we played on the super detailed table with the ruined city... and like that, I was forking over $100 for the starter set.

Now I'm painting my last death copter in the set, and contemplating what army to specialize in. (must admit that those tyranid monsters are very, very farking cool)

/CSB
// was pumped to go back to the store last weekend and note that my guys looked better than the store display models! (art degree and toy design job FTW!)

Just don't waste money on any of the "dips" that they sell for quick shading. It gives you the same effect you can get with a can of Minwax Polyshade at a huge markup (1 qt. can of Minwax Polyshade - $15. 8oz can of "Quickshade" figure dip - $30)

They are actually different substances, but you get the same effect with the Minwax at almost 1/10th the price.


That's not the stuff GW sells. That's by a separate company called Army Painter. And it's total shiat. Also, commercial paint and stuff like the Minwax is too thick to use. You buy a cheap can of black spraypaint from a hardware store to prime a minature, you're going to end up with a figure that looks like lumps of black Play-Doh rolled into an approximation of a figure.
 
2012-03-14 03:00:51 AM

Life_in_LA: LITERALLY just got into this like a month ago. Got dragged to the store with a friend, and sunday was "Noob friendly" day - they ran us thru a game with someone basically DMing us to keep the game moving. Of course they let us use the store's display models and we played on the super detailed table with the ruined city... and like that, I was forking over $100 for the starter set.

Now I'm painting my last death copter in the set, and contemplating what army to specialize in. (must admit that those tyranid monsters are very, very farking cool)

/CSB
// was pumped to go back to the store last weekend and note that my guys looked better than the store display models! (art degree and toy design job FTW!)


I suggest Space Marines. You've already got a good starting force from the starter box. You just need one more Troops choice (another Tactical Squad or a Scout Squad) to make a 'legal' army. Space Marines are tough (best overall armor saves in the game) good firepower, good flexibility in what the troops units can take, and small unit sizes to get your army painted quicker.

Tyranids do look cool, but you're going to be painting like four or five times as many figures as you would with a comparable force of Space Marines. And for the Emperor's sake, don't go with Imperial Guard unless you want to paint ten times as many figures as any other army.

Take the time to scout out the different armies to find one that's a match of 'That's cool!!!!' with your time/interest in painting.
 
2012-03-14 04:04:30 AM
I started with 40k for something to do with my kids about 2 years ago. My kids now have 3 40k armies and I have 4 Warhammer (fantasy) armies. I have probably spent enough to buy 2 cars on this stuff. But, according to the wife, it beats hanging out in titty bars (almost).
 
2012-03-14 04:54:44 AM
Young men? (new window)
 
2012-03-14 05:17:46 AM

Gergesa: Too bad about the cost. I would be interested in playing otherwise.


Do what I do play with someone who's into collecting so you can use their stuff. We play a Warhammer (not 40k but more swords and sorcery) variant called Mordheim. Ridiculously fun and it requires much fewer pieces (usuall 8 to about 12) on a side.

I'd do my own minis but being inept they'd look like crap.
 
2012-03-14 05:20:34 AM

I Like Bread: Why are grown men still launching tabletop war?

Oh, I dunno. What are "grown men" supposed to do in their free time?
Watch football and yell at the screen?
Drink their lives away at a pub?
Sip cognac until they look and smell like an old boot?


Chase women who are half their age?
 
2012-03-14 05:23:25 AM

Arakius: But, according to the wife, it beats hanging out in titty bars (almost).


Well , of course your WIFE would say that.
 
2012-03-14 05:38:07 AM
I wonder if the MMORPG will finally kill the tabletop.
 
2012-03-14 06:51:35 AM
Got out years ago because I kept hitting a cycle like this:

- Get codex, build balanced army.
- Get new version codex, find out that half the army has been nerfed, whilst a couple of units that used to be rubbish are now overpowered.
- Get new version codex, find out that those units are nerfed too. Cycle repeats.

Last codex I read was finding out that Chaos Space Marines now can't put a Bloodthirster on the field..... it's just a 'generic chaos demon no 4'. Yeah, the business aspect of GW (herding players into buying specific units because they were new and much better than existing ones) was just too much to handle and I lost interest.
 
2012-03-14 06:52:28 AM
Repeat from last week.
 
2012-03-14 07:14:25 AM

echri: Was visiting a friends house in seattle, when we were driving around the neighborhood they noticed an estate sale going on... apparently some middle aged geek had a heart attack. These two friends play warhammer, I do not. We walked around looking at the various furniture and stuff, down in the basement we see he has a crapload of warhammer 40k stuff. Some big tanks and vehicles and stuff... They got the whole lot for $50, and some of the stuff was still in their boxes and had stickers on them from the store that were more than what they paid. I was always amazed at how ridiculously expensive extruded plastic pieces that YOU have to paint were, and how eager nerds were to fork money over for them.


I went over to a friends house and noticed a table that had an army of figurines, some painted and some not. I asked him about it and he tried to get me interested. I saw the price tags on a few of the boxes and said HELL NO! not to mention all the time needed to invest in something like that with no payoff. That didn't stop him from suckering a few other friends though. They had the bright idea of all bringing their armies to school to battle in the mornings. I found it quite amusing when people would launch all sorts of shiat at their table in the cafeteria.
 
2012-03-14 09:27:05 AM

broadsword: Got out years ago because I kept hitting a cycle like this:

- Get codex, build balanced army.
- Get new version codex, find out that half the army has been nerfed, whilst a couple of units that used to be rubbish are now overpowered.
- Get new version codex, find out that those units are nerfed too. Cycle repeats.

Last codex I read was finding out that Chaos Space Marines now can't put a Bloodthirster on the field..... it's just a 'generic chaos demon no 4'. Yeah, the business aspect of GW (herding players into buying specific units because they were new and much better than existing ones) was just too much to handle and I lost interest.


The Chaos army is notorious for being awful. It's bland....rumors have it that it's being redone in May.

The codexs that have come out recently with the 5th edition of the game have all been better awesome. They are fun and competitive. As someone who does a bunch of tournaments with 40k this game I love this game. It's not for everyone, it's a huge money and time sink but I enjoy it and have a lot of fun with it!
 
2012-03-14 09:32:11 AM
I never got into the Warhammer side of things - I'm not enough of an artist to do all the painting and such. Still, I've been a tabletop RPG player for a while now. It's a fun hobby. I'm glad to hear that profits went up, though the cynic in me wonders if it's just GW's price gouging or if they're getting a lot of new players. Hopefully the latter.

I worked at a comic and game store for several years - those games keep a lot of those stores afloat. Us RPG players can buy a handful of books and be good for a long time. Minis players are like addicts. I'll admit I have a pretty big box full of those prepainted D&D minis and a full-size bookshelf full of gaming books, but I've spent a fraction of what the WH and 40K players I know have gone through. I'm sad to say that the store I worked at has pretty much pushed out all the RPG material in favor of GW stuff because it's more profitable. A shame, but I'm not going to bother special ordering Pathfinder and Savage Worlds books there when I can get them cheaper and faster from Amazon or the manufacturers. If all you can keep is a little shelf of 4th edition D&D you're not going to have my (admittedly meager) business.

/Mordheim was a lot of fun in college - we had about a dozen players in a league in my scholarship hall for a while. Good times.
 
2012-03-14 09:50:34 AM
I understand the enjoyment but I will stick to DnD. Fewer things to buy and I can ignore errata more easily.
 
2012-03-14 10:08:29 AM

RoyFokker'sGhost: That's not the stuff GW sells. That's by a separate company called Army Painter. And it's total shiat. Also, commercial paint and stuff like the Minwax is too thick to use. You buy a cheap can of black spraypaint from a hardware store to prime a minature, you're going to end up with a figure that looks like lumps of black Play-Doh rolled into an approximation of a figure.


1) I am fully aware that GW doesn't sell the shading dip...that would be why I didn't say anything even remotely resembling "GW sells this stuff."
2) The Minwax Polyshade is not only not "too thick to use", there's a whole slew of people who get decent results with it.
3) WTF did anything I said have to do with using spray paint instead of primer?
 
2012-03-14 10:13:12 AM
I have a friend who tried to get me into 40k awhile back, it looks like fun but I have enough expensive hobbies as it is. I did however succeed in getting him into my 2nd Edition D&D campaign.
 
2012-03-14 10:14:38 AM
The other day I busted out my 40k orks from my highschool days ('88-'91) for a gag and got myself all excited to play. I went to the local gaming store and some online sites for new codex army building info and found out they lobotomized the orks. Really, all the ork stats now match painboyzs lobotomized orks from "Ere We Go. How can orks be shooty if they can't shoot? My power armor orks are useless. Same with the Heavy Plasma Gun orks! No meltas or plasma guns allowed and my flamer (lol) units have special rules to isolate them from the boyz gangs. I see no rules for my cyboars!

When did they kill the fun from the orks? GW and Citidel can go rot. The only good game they made was the original Space Hulk.

/old man rant!
 
2012-03-14 11:09:23 AM
Is it cheese?

/Thought it would be cheese.
//Goddamn it.
///Is it cheese?
////It's cheese, right?
 
2012-03-14 11:42:51 AM
If you are interested in trying out these types of games, I highly recommend you play a game of Mordheim (or the 40K equivalent, Necromunda) first. Warhammer rules are best played in skirmish settings, as the unit rules/combat rules can be a clusterfark of nonsense and the figures needed are far fewer. I remember one game where my Bull Centaurs (cavalry) were charged in the rear by a unit of Swordmasters (heavy infantry). The Bull Centaurs butchered the infantry and chased them down in the first round. If I had been flanked instead, I'd have lost heavily.

McGrits: The other day I busted out my 40k orks from my highschool days ('88-'91) for a gag and got myself all excited to play. I went to the local gaming store and some online sites for new codex army building info and found out they lobotomized the orks. Really, all the ork stats now match painboyzs lobotomized orks from "Ere We Go. How can orks be shooty if they can't shoot? My power armor orks are useless. Same with the Heavy Plasma Gun orks! No meltas or plasma guns allowed and my flamer (lol) units have special rules to isolate them from the boyz gangs. I see no rules for my cyboars!

When did they kill the fun from the orks? GW and Citidel can go rot. The only good game they made was the original Space Hulk.

/old man rant!


I have a Chaos Dwarf army from WFB and an Empire army that had halflings, flagellants, a War Wagon, and Ogres, so I'm getting a kick out of your post...

SteelDraco: I never got into the Warhammer side of things - I'm not enough of an artist to do all the painting and such. Still, I've been a tabletop RPG player for a while now. It's a fun hobby. I'm glad to hear that profits went up, though the cynic in me wonders if it's just GW's price gouging or if they're getting a lot of new players. Hopefully the latter.


GW's business strategy is, basically, "re-release products over and over, requiring re-purchase and get the young kids with parents who don't know any better". They cycle through players relatively quickly and keep a few long term players with each cycle.
 
2012-03-14 11:52:58 AM

Droog8912: I remember one game where my Bull Centaurs (cavalry) were charged in the rear by a unit of Swordmasters (heavy infantry). The Bull Centaurs butchered the infantry and chased them down in the first round. If I had been flanked instead, I'd have lost heavily.


Sounds like you should be playing in San Francisco.

/nttawwt
 
2012-03-14 12:58:38 PM
Oh god, it's only a matter of time before I get pulled back in.
 
2012-03-14 01:08:19 PM
Warhammer? WTF is that?


/I keed
 
2012-03-14 03:26:16 PM
"But chief executive officer Mark Wells emails me about the claim of price exploitation. "That would go against everything we stand for. It's just not in our nature," he writes."

LOL


Soooo many better, cheaper games out there..
 
2012-03-14 03:44:24 PM
Squats!
 
2012-03-14 04:07:23 PM
It's been a STEEP learning curve for me.

I bought the starter, and balked at the $60 price of the starter painting and modeling kit. I thought, "hell, I'm not paying $4+ for a .5oz paint pot!" Instead, I went to the local art store and bought full size tubes for $4 and was all proud of myself-- until I realized that getting only small amounts of paint out of the tubes, and then mixing custom colors was a TOTAL BIATCH.

On top of that, I used an ultra-flat primer that caked on like a cheap broad's makeup, and my guys lost all their detail. Fortunately, I found a tutorial for stripping the paint without damaging the model or losing the fine details, and was able to re-prime them with this great krylon primer - but it cost me dozens of hours of labor.

Did some reading, watched some tutorials online (should have STARTED there) and decided on the vallejo game color series. WOW, what a difference. Convenient, cheap and looks fantastic. if I'd only known from the beginning...
 
2012-03-14 04:09:27 PM
anyone who is saying the game is too expensive is right. the prices are insane.

that's why you buy used on ebay for pennies on the dollar, dip them in castrol superclean for 3 days, and the old paint rinses off.
 
2012-03-14 04:18:27 PM

Life_in_LA: Did some reading, watched some tutorials online (should have STARTED there) and decided on the vallejo game color series. WOW, what a difference. Convenient, cheap and looks fantastic. if I'd only known from the beginning...


Indeed, the Vallejo paints are awesome.
 
2012-03-14 04:34:40 PM

Life_in_LA: anyone who is saying the game is too expensive is right. the prices are insane.

that's why you buy used on ebay for pennies on the dollar, dip them in castrol superclean for 3 days, and the old paint rinses off.


Or Simple Green. Works overnight with a toothbrush, and can be used for plastic as well as metal minis.
 
2012-03-14 04:49:34 PM
I played for a bit - besides liking the painting more than the playing, I found the game seemed to devolve to "he who is the bigger rules dick wins". After playing a tournament where I encountered:

- "just because it was 12 inches when I was shooting you doesn't mean it's 12 inches when you returned fire!"

- preset terrain had been "adjusted" by the other player before the match (bonus dickery - the guy using the "don't be that guy who rules lawyers" to stop me when I called him on it) to turn the board into a a shooting gallery

- The guy who wasn't pre-measuring ranges so that he was precisely in range while keeping me out of range, it's just how he set the ruler down on the table

- The guy who would challenge every single not-in-open-fields LOS, calling for a referee and slowing the game to a crawl until I started to relent just to finish the damn thing

I decided that this was not the game for me. I lost every single round-robin, but I earned the Sportsmanship award, which I guess translates to "not treating a game like it's life or death".

Fun game in principle, but players made it often unbearable. At least the people playing Blood Bowl were mostly there just for fun.
 
2012-03-14 04:57:15 PM

bigbadideasinaction: - "just because it was 12 inches when I was shooting you doesn't mean it's 12 inches when you returned fire!"

- preset terrain had been "adjusted" by the other player before the match (bonus dickery - the guy using the "don't be that guy who rules lawyers" to stop me when I called him on it) to turn the board into a a shooting gallery

- The guy who wasn't pre-measuring ranges so that he was precisely in range while keeping me out of range, it's just how he set the ruler down on the table


Those things are out-and-out cheating, not rules lawyering.

bigbadideasinaction: - The guy who would challenge every single not-in-open-fields LOS, calling for a referee and slowing the game to a crawl until I started to relent just to finish the damn thing


This is a gray area; in other competitive games (I forget if GW does anything about this), this is slow play and can get you disqualified if you do it.

Sorry about your gaming experience, it sounds like you played with a bunch of assholes. I've generally had a pretty good time with 40K, though there does seem to be a higher ratio of dillholes.
 
2012-03-14 10:11:54 PM
As God as my witness, you will pry my Dark Eldar out from my cold, dead hands.

/Thanks for the new codex, GW! ONLY TOOK A GODDAMN DECADE YOU FARKING DICKS.
//Meanwhile, back in the day, it's "Oh, look, someone's using wyches... PURIFY THEM."
///Farking Space Marines. FARKING BLACK TEMPLAR beyond that, though...
 
2012-03-15 02:16:01 AM
I just quit 40k a little while ago, and have about 70,000 points of Chaos to get rid of. Sigh.
 
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