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(The New York Times)   College philosophy professor wants to launch Campaign for Renaming Academic Philosophy (CRAP)   (opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 140
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2012-03-13 06:38:30 PM
Philosophy major.

"Oh, you're a psychologist now?"

I don't even tell them any different any more. I just charge them a $200 flat rate for asking a question.

"You don't even use a couch??"

I'm just that good and you owe me $400 now.
 
2012-03-13 06:44:34 PM
I try to think of Physics as the pure study of the material and Philosophy as the pure study of the reality created within our own minds.

Everything, including the disciplines normally called Physics and Philosophy, are a mixture of the two to some degree or another.

/one of my majors was Philosophy
//and the other was Business
 
2012-03-13 06:48:01 PM
Well, you go to college to get a BS (Bull Shiat) degree. You can then choose to continue on into a MS (More Shiat) program. If you are really motivated, you can go ahead and get that PhD (Piled higher and Deeper).

So if you want to dabble in CRAP while you are there, I say go for it.
 
2012-03-13 06:49:58 PM
I know a few philosophers, including myself, who have problems with arbitrarily changing terms. For one, it makes the language dirty and cluttered.

Sid_6.7: I try to think of Physics as the pure study of the material and Philosophy as the pure study of the reality created within our own minds.

Everything, including the disciplines normally called Physics and Philosophy, are a mixture of the two to some degree or another.

/one of my majors was Philosophy
//and the other was Business


Mine were Philosophy and Poli Sci. I guess we both majored in misery and contradiction.
 
2012-03-13 06:56:02 PM
Modern philosophy: using words to argue about the meaning of words.
 
2012-03-13 06:58:03 PM

namegoeshere: Well, you go to college to get a BS (Bull Shiat) degree. You can then choose to continue on into a MS (More Shiat) program. If you are really motivated, you can go ahead and get that PhD (Piled higher and Deeper).

So if you want to dabble in CRAP while you are there, I say go for it.


Your GED in BEING AWESOME!! is much more useful.
 
2012-03-13 06:58:19 PM

Sgygus: Modern philosophy: using words to argue about the meaning of words.


Wittgenstein would say that's been the fundamental problem with Philosophy from the start.
 
2012-03-13 07:18:48 PM

Diogenes: Sgygus: Modern philosophy: using words to argue about the meaning of words.

Wittgenstein would say that's been the fundamental problem with Philosophy from the start.


Wittegenstein never understood the syntax of the world and that it requires more than just making a statemsnt: reality is acquired by commitment, not by avowal.
 
2012-03-13 07:27:50 PM
Hey, look, philosophers didn't even make the cut:

i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-13 07:31:58 PM
He should forces with WALKATHON.

You know, Walkers At Large Kinetically Altruistic Through Hygiene or Nowledge.

(With a "K," it would be WALKATHOK, which, you know, doesn't really work.)
 
2012-03-13 08:09:21 PM
Philosophy is dumb.

PID.

Done.
 
2012-03-13 08:25:00 PM
I've always dreamed of having a little philosophy shop on the side of the road. People would stop in and I'd say, "Life is a Twinkie. Five dollars, please."
 
2012-03-13 08:43:41 PM
Ontics.

Sounds like what people in Ontario do to goof off.
 
2012-03-13 09:04:05 PM
While I enjoyed reading that, it also gave me the queasy "I need a shower" feeling of watching someone mentally masturbate to completion into my hair.
 
2012-03-13 09:20:04 PM
With you.

Sign me up soon, for I am seeking sponsorship now.

Seriously.

Paid-sponsorship, yo; now.

;)
 
2012-03-13 09:22:13 PM

Diogenes: I know a few philosophers, including myself, who have problems with arbitrarily changing terms. For one, it makes the language dirty and cluttered.

Sid_6.7: I try to think of Physics as the pure study of the material and Philosophy as the pure study of the reality created within our own minds.

Everything, including the disciplines normally called Physics and Philosophy, are a mixture of the two to some degree or another.

/one of my majors was Philosophy
//and the other was Business

Mine were Philosophy and Poli Sci. I guess we both majored in misery and contradiction.


I majored in History and Political Science.

What I learned from my undergrad years:

We have always been at war with Eastasia
 
2012-03-13 09:22:53 PM

Sid_6.7: I try to think of Physics as the pure study of the material and Philosophy as the pure study of the reality created within our own minds.

Everything, including the disciplines normally called Physics and Philosophy, are a mixture of the two to some degree or another.

/one of my majors was Philosophy
//and the other was Business


I think you spelled "Mathematics" wrong.
 
2012-03-13 09:23:42 PM
Philosophers, we want to know what exactly it is you do here.

www.elevenwarriors.com
 
2012-03-13 09:25:11 PM

Epicedion: Philosophers, we want to know what exactly it is you do here.

[www.elevenwarriors.com image 640x345]


Everything for free?

.i..

;)
 
2012-03-13 09:25:32 PM
He sure writes like a college philosophy professor.
 
2012-03-13 09:26:08 PM

Sgygus: Modern philosophy: using words to argue about the meaning of words.


Physicists use physical objects to study physical objects.

Chemists use chemicals to study chemicals.

And so on...
 
2012-03-13 09:27:42 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Wittegenstein never understood the syntax of the world


I dare say he understood just fine.
 
2012-03-13 09:28:09 PM
Colin McGinn, "college philosophy professor?"

[DoubleFacepalm.jpg]
 
2012-03-13 09:29:54 PM

Sgygus: Modern philosophy: using words to argue about the meaning of words.


No it isn't
assets0.ordienetworks.com
 
2012-03-13 09:30:03 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Philosophy major.

"Oh, you're a psychologist now?"

I don't even tell them any different any more. I just charge them a $200 flat rate for asking a question.

"You don't even use a couch??"

I'm just that good and you owe me $400 now.


Isn't it your job to ask the questions?

/The check is in the mail
//What if I break my promise to you, and the check is not in the mail? How is it that the idea of the check being in the mail still exists?
 
2012-03-13 09:31:53 PM
Did you have a good day today?

The cheque is in the mail

/payable to DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke
 
2012-03-13 09:32:59 PM

UncleStumpy: Did you have a good day today?

The cheque is in the mail

/payable to DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke


crap...now i owe 400 for asking the same question twice
 
2012-03-13 09:35:03 PM

UncleStumpy: UncleStumpy: Did you have a good day today?

The cheque is in the mail

/payable to DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke

crap...now i owe 400 for asking the same question twice


That depends on how you settle the type/token ambiguity.

/yes, I am a philosopher
 
2012-03-13 09:35:30 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: He should forces with WALKATHON.

You know, Walkers At Large Kinetically Altruistic Through Hygiene or Nowledge.

(With a "K," it would be WALKATHOK, which, you know, doesn't really work.)


Eh, I'd rather walk for Helping Children Through Research And Development.
 
2012-03-13 09:36:52 PM
In before the Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Reintroduction Into Society.

/and yes, I have seen one. It was famous.
 
2012-03-13 09:37:07 PM
They should know that Stephen Harper is aleady using it for his Conservative Reform Alliance Party.

They use just Conservative, for short.

/No, really
//Well, for a little while
///No, really!
 
2012-03-13 09:39:10 PM

logic523: UncleStumpy: UncleStumpy: Did you have a good day today?

The cheque is in the mail

/payable to DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke

crap...now i owe 400 for asking the same question twice

That depends on how you settle the type/token ambiguity.

/yes, I am a philosopher


NSS.

;)

P.S. I tell jokes.
 
2012-03-13 09:39:18 PM
i40.tinypic.com.
 
2012-03-13 09:40:42 PM
When I went to NYC I just kind of wandered around everywhere and at one point checked out "Ground Zero". The sh*t people were hocking there turned this calloused, cynicism machine's bile filled stomach.
 
2012-03-13 09:41:59 PM

Indubitably: logic523: UncleStumpy: UncleStumpy: Did you have a good day today?

The cheque is in the mail

/payable to DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke

crap...now i owe 400 for asking the same question twice

That depends on how you settle the type/token ambiguity.

/yes, I am a philosopher

NSS.

;)

P.S. I tell jokes.


Sorry, jokes with consequences...

;)
 
2012-03-13 09:43:59 PM
whoa... how the f*ck did I get in this thread?!

mymindisfilledwithf*ckmymindisfilledwithf*ckmymindisfilledwithf*ck MYMINDISFILLEDWITHF*CKMYMINDISFILLEDWITHF*CK!

etc...
 
2012-03-13 09:45:07 PM
He should get in contact with the Conservative-Reform Alliance Party.
 
2012-03-13 09:45:34 PM
My sister is a philosophy professor. When people really press her on what she does, the most common outcome is for them to assume the fetal position and rock back and forth, murmuring, "I was told there would be no math... I was told there would be no math... and I was a math major..."
 
2012-03-13 09:45:56 PM

Araltaln: Eh, I'd rather walk for Helping Children Through Research And Development.


Oh, HeCTRAD. Yeah, I think I've heard of that group. That's a good group.
 
2012-03-13 09:46:10 PM
I agree with most of what the author says. Philosophy teaches you how to think in certain ways. The hard side (logic, etc) is scientifically rigorous. The other side not so much, but you still need to be able to see and argue taking multiple points of view into account. Still, changing names is kind of a last resort, and always smacks of running away.

My ex had a PhD in Philosophy from Yale. Couldn't get a teaching job (imagine that), but boy did it teach her how to think. She went to work as a civilian for the (ahem) Department of Defense and is now above the GS scale -- if she were military, she would be a general. Not recommending that course of action for anyone else, but learning some philosophy is indispensable IMO for a complete education.
 
2012-03-13 09:47:09 PM
Does this professor teach at the Sam Houston Institute of Technology?
 
2012-03-13 09:48:53 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Oh, HeCTRAD. Yeah, I think I've heard of that group. That's a good group.


No, actually, Helping Children Through Research And Development is the acronym, TMLO. It stands for: Hi, Everyone, Let's Pitch In 'N' Get Cracking Here In Louisiana Doing Right, Eh? Now Then, Hateful, Rich, Overbearing Ugly Guys Hurt Royally Every Time Someone Eats A Radish, Carrot, Hors d'oeuvre, And Never Does Dishes. Eventually, Victor Eats Lunch Over Peoria Mit Ein Neuesberger Tod.
 
2012-03-13 09:51:12 PM
They immediately assume you are in the business of offering sage advice, usually in the form of unargued aphorisms and proverbs.

just because some people don't understand an academic subject doesn't mean you should change the name of the subject. changing the name would be trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

/former philosophy major
 
2012-03-13 09:52:06 PM
As a person with a philosophy degree (bachelor of science, I might add), I throw my support behind CRAP.

"Whats yer major?"
"Philosophy."
"Ohhh like Socrates... constantly contemplating the meaning of life."
"Well, actually, my coursework covered the basic classical philosophers, but I mainly focused on formal logic and game theory."
"Yeah whatever, is my order ready yet? Extra honey mustard, don't forget!"
 
2012-03-13 09:53:11 PM
Other possibilities might include "beology" or "beological science," "conceptive science" (like "cognitive science"), "beotics" (like "semiotics"). But I like "ontics" best: it sounds serious and weighty, it is easy to say, and it sounds like a solid science.

All he really needs is another syllable, "an," and it becomes "onantics" from the root onanism to masturbate and ejaculate to no purpose. Mental masturbation is really all they've done for thousands of years now and like any 14 year old jerk off they're still hard at it despite having absolutely nothing to show for it other than some gross Kleenexes or a very gross crusty sock.

roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-03-13 09:54:00 PM
How I know the author of this article is a philosopher.

1) He claimed to have a point, which sounded interesting, so I began reading his article
2) The article was insanely bloated with unnecessary blatherings that were ultimately tangential (at best) to the point I was promised he'd make
3) I stopped reading the article, angry that I had once again fallen for Lucy's promise not to pull the football away from me

God damn I hate philosophy (*shakes fist*).

www.bestoftheblogs.com
 
2012-03-13 09:55:26 PM
logic523: Chemists use chemicals to study chemicals. And so on...

Which brings us back to the topic at hand. Since philosophy is now the study of language, perhaps it should be called something besides philosophy.

How about WOAMSophy.

/words on a mobius strip
 
2012-03-13 09:56:17 PM
Aren't they 'baristas' or something?
 
2012-03-13 09:57:31 PM
One more thing. IMO, the only intelligent thing to do with the discipline of philosophy is:

www.myfacewhen.net

/srsly, this is 2012
//the important bits have been absorbed into the mind/brain sciences
///everything else is useless
////kthxbye
 
2012-03-13 09:57:35 PM
While a lot of people love to crow about how there job is better and more meaningful the philosophy (at least until they biatch about their job in another thread) I'd like to suggest an idea of how a philosophy degree could be useful in the business world.

Clearly something is wrong in the business world where the 1% believe that making money is the only objective. Partly this is bad laws on the subject (outsider shareholders with little knowledge can sue if they feel this month's quarter profits could have been higher if only all investments in the future could be put off forever). But also because business relies on pseudo-philosophical advisers who might lead to bad decisions.

I suggest large companies should have a company philosopher to review major decisions. Economic advisers can tell them "Will this make money", Engineers can tell them "Will this work as designed", Lawyers can tell them "Is this legal" and PR people can tell them "Is this publicly acceptable". But missing is a person to say "Is this the right thing to do".

That is where a philosopher could come in. A philosopher, detached from the economics, legal system and public response can examine whether a decision is right. A good one could present several arguments and weigh in with their own wisdom. Ultimately it will be up to the CEO or other executive to make the final determination, but having someone who is not bound solely by popular, legal or economic considerations could provide a useful perspective.

At the very least, there are worst consultants that business could be paying for. Why not given the philosophy majors a shot?
 
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