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(National Geographic)   Has a lost Leonardo da Vinci mural been discovered beneath another masterpiece?   (news.nationalgeographic.com) divider line 92
    More: Interesting, Leonardo da Vinci, murals, natgeo, museum curator, UCSD, Tuscany  
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2012-03-13 01:29:37 PM  
This story has been around for a while, but I really would love it if they just let the researchers work on it and not get all pissy about it.
 
2012-03-13 01:32:14 PM  
Yes yes?

/no no?
 
2012-03-13 02:10:44 PM  
Probably Al Capone's vault.
 
2012-03-13 02:34:01 PM  
I hear there's a treasure map on the back of the Mona Lisa....
 
2012-03-13 03:06:55 PM  
There are two reasons I would never be able to work in the IT department at National Geographic.com:

1) I lack the skills; and

2) The urge to replace that video with the Katie Couric colonoscopy footage would have been too great for me to resist.
 
2012-03-13 03:22:34 PM  

brap: There are two reasons I would never be able to work in the IT department at National Geographic.com:

1) I lack the skills; and

2) The urge to replace that video with the Katie Couric colonoscopy footage would have been too great for me to resist.


LOL. I'm guessing there are several vocations you are unsuited for.
 
2012-03-13 03:33:12 PM  
img141.imageshack.us
The pixels. I see them.
 
2012-03-13 05:01:16 PM  
Whatever you do, please don't let them "restore" it.

Some of the modern cleanings have been barbaric.
 
2012-03-13 05:01:21 PM  
We should immediately apply paint stripper to all old masterpieces to see if there are other, even better, paintings under them.
 
2012-03-13 05:03:18 PM  

doczoidberg: I hear there's a treasure map on the back of the Mona Lisa....


It's a fake
 
2012-03-13 05:04:28 PM  
Is it underneath that nude sketch he did of Cate Blanchett the night the Gordon Lightfoot sank after being rammed by the Cat Stevens?
 
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2012-03-13 05:06:05 PM  
www.grayclouds.net
?
 
2012-03-13 05:07:29 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Yes yes?

/no no?


Approve:
26.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-03-13 05:08:44 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: doczoidberg: I hear there's a treasure map on the back of the Mona Lisa....

It's a fake


content7.flixster.com

"Welllll, 'fake' is a relative term when all the copies are painted by the original artist, isn't it?"
 
2012-03-13 05:11:09 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Maybe it's an Artanis. Maybe it's a Nathaniel Wood. Maybe a little more wine.
 
2012-03-13 05:12:17 PM  
<img src="http://images.tvrage.com/people/106/315448.jpg">

"Priceless DaVinci painting hidden behind a another priceless DaVinci painting? I've got a buddy who knows everything about Priceless DaVinci paintings hidden behind other priceless DaVinci paintings. Let me get him down here and maybe we can make a deal."

-later-

"Now that I know it's real, I definitely want it, but only if I can get it at the right price. I don't have the kind of money that the Louvre does." <Laughs uncontrollably>

-later yet-

"I'm going to have to frame it and it's just going to sit on the shelf. I don't have a lot of customers coming into my shop asking about Priceless DaVinci paintings hidden behind other priceless DaVinci paintings. Best I'm going to be able to do is 50 bucks, and I think that's a fair price."
 
2012-03-13 05:14:39 PM  

doczoidberg: I hear there's a treasure map on the back of the Mona Lisa....


Nope, just says "THIS IS A FAKE" written in felt tip.

/obscure
//not obscure enough for Fark
 
2012-03-13 05:15:48 PM  
I can tell by the pixels that it's not a da Vinci
 
2012-03-13 05:15:53 PM  
Does here to help hate when writers use a question as a headline?
 
2012-03-13 05:16:47 PM  
Oh god dammit. I get distracted by work for 5 minute and there's 2 other references before I can hit Post after previewing.
 
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2012-03-13 05:16:55 PM  
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-03-13 05:19:40 PM  
Not unheard of. Recently, a Rembrandt was found covered by a Yerden.
 
2012-03-13 05:22:46 PM  
chud.com
 
2012-03-13 05:22:50 PM  
I've seen it. One of the figures in the daVinci painting is wearing a Seiko watch, which makes me say, "Well, all the more primitive."
 
2012-03-13 05:24:24 PM  
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-03-13 05:28:23 PM  
Is Saint Peter actually a robot?
 
2012-03-13 05:30:28 PM  

here to help: Does here to help hate when writers use a question as a headline?


I don't mind it. It's an easy way to know the answer is no.
 
2012-03-13 05:35:32 PM  
This headline sounds like a great idea for a photoshop contest. Just sayin'.
 
2012-03-13 05:41:22 PM  
Good use of the interesting tag. It was.
 
2012-03-13 05:41:46 PM  

LDM90: here to help: Does here to help hate when writers use a question as a headline?

I don't mind it. It's an easy way to know the answer is no.


Actually, the answer is usually "derp".
 
2012-03-13 05:42:30 PM  

m1ke: "Priceless DaVinci painting hidden behind a another priceless DaVinci painting? I've got a buddy who knows everything about Priceless DaVinci paintings hidden behind other priceless DaVinci paintings. Let me get him down here and maybe we can make a deal."


What the hell. I dont get it... you are now the SECOND person I have seen say something about it being a DaVinci behind a DaVinci (the first being in comments of TFA)... when the article CLEARLY states:

"the researchers snapped pictures of a telltale hollow space behind Giorgio Vasari's "Battle of Marciano"

and

"describes Vasari as a Leonardo admirer who couldn't bring himself to destroy the work."

How the hell do you come to the conclusion that Leonardo did both paintings?

/Or is this some type of inside joke that I am completely unaware of?
 
2012-03-13 05:42:49 PM  
I found a Romney covered by Santorum.

/nothing
 
2012-03-13 05:44:29 PM  

doczoidberg: I hear there's a treasure map on the back of the Mona Lisa....


More like a tramp stamp.
 
2012-03-13 05:48:22 PM  
Did they look under the couch? Whenever I'm missing something, it's usually under the couch.
 
2012-03-13 05:49:21 PM  

Alonjar: m1ke: "Priceless DaVinci painting hidden behind a another priceless DaVinci painting? I've got a buddy who knows everything about Priceless DaVinci paintings hidden behind other priceless DaVinci paintings. Let me get him down here and maybe we can make a deal."

What the hell. I dont get it... you are now the SECOND person I have seen say something about it being a DaVinci behind a DaVinci (the first being in comments of TFA)... when the article CLEARLY states:

"the researchers snapped pictures of a telltale hollow space behind Giorgio Vasari's "Battle of Marciano"

and

"describes Vasari as a Leonardo admirer who couldn't bring himself to destroy the work."

How the hell do you come to the conclusion that Leonardo did both paintings?

/Or is this some type of inside joke that I am completely unaware of?


Nope, you got me, I didn't read the article because this is America.
 
2012-03-13 05:55:13 PM  
mimg.ugo.com
 
2012-03-13 05:56:54 PM  
mutantreviewers.com

/may have found something...
 
2012-03-13 06:03:33 PM  

four95: [mutantreviewers.com image 580x386]

/may have found something...


Tom Hanks' hair in that movie STILL bothers me.
 
2012-03-13 06:07:04 PM  
This isn't as interesting as the chalk drawing of a girl that was found recently (which could be worth 100 mil if they ever prove that it was done by Leonardo:)

Link (new window)

Not a bad return on your investment if you're the guy who bought it for $20,000.
 
2012-03-13 06:12:17 PM  
Awesome.
 
2012-03-13 06:15:15 PM  

AppleOptionEsc: Is Saint Peter actually a robot rabbit?


FTFY
 
2012-03-13 06:19:55 PM  
This sounds like another Rmoney joke (new window)!
 
2012-03-13 06:40:45 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Some of the modern cleanings have been barbaric.


Like which ones?
 
2012-03-13 06:55:44 PM  
This is an old story, they have a complete image now of what the original painting looked like. Leonardo is unappreciated for his genius at using unusual spaces.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-13 06:57:09 PM  
I really hope this turns out to be true. I have been following this story for years, and the the hell with those stuffy-ass "art historians" I think Seracini (new window) is right on the money.

Vasari preserved other masterpieces, like Masacchio's Holy Trinity (new window) and considering this mural was supposed to be Da Vinci's masterpiece, and that Vasari was the one who renovated this hall and painted the murals, I believe he would have tried to preserve it.

CSS: I have stood on the balcony of the Salone dei Cinquecento, and viewed that little "cerca trova" flag through binoculars. The mural is enormous, and it's pretty much impossible to see it with the naked eye.
 
2012-03-13 06:59:51 PM  

sixtyten: This is an old story, they have a complete image now of what the original painting looked like. Leonardo is unappreciated for his genius at using unusual spaces.

[i.imgur.com image 500x373]


wow that's a really bad airbrush painting.
 
2012-03-13 07:00:36 PM  

WhyteRaven74: TheShavingofOccam123: Some of the modern cleanings have been barbaric.

Like which ones?


There seems little doubt that the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel was in part painted a secco (that is, once the plaster was dry), but the restorers none the less decided that radical cleaning was necessary, given the amount of dirt that had accumulated (in particular from candle smoke). As a result the ceiling now has a curiously washed-out look, with pretty but flavourless colouring - an effect quite unlike that of Michelangelo's intensely sensual sculpture.
-Andrew Wordsworth


If you decide the artist only did a fresco then anything on top of that needs to come off. If on the other you hand you decide the artist let the fresco dry then painted over it, taking that extra work off is criminal.

This complete removal down to the plaster surface was evidently done to the Cistine chapel and The Last Supper.
 
2012-03-13 07:13:05 PM  
I won't get into too much CSS, but I will say that I think Leonardo, being a polymath would have a great deal of respect for Professor Seracini, and the breakthroughs he has made, by combining scientific and medical technology with art history. The guy is the living definition of "thinking outside the box'

He pissed off the historians at the Uffizi gallery real good, by using x-ray imaging and paint analysis to prove that Da Vinci's Adoration of the Magi had been over-painted by someone else.

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-13 07:20:12 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: There seems little doubt that the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel was in part painted a secco (that is, once the plaster was dry), but the restorers none the less decided that radical cleaning was necessary, given the amount of dirt that had accumulated (in particular from candle smoke). As a result the ceiling now has a curiously washed-out look, with pretty but flavourless colouring - an effect quite unlike that of Michelangelo's intensely sensual sculpture.
-Andrew Wordsworth


Complete and utter bullshiat. There are certain historians and art historians who liked the notion of the dark and moody, chiaroscuro-esque Sistine Chapel, and they've been screaming for ages that it was over-cleaned.

It wasn't.

TheShavingofOccam123: If you decide the artist only did a fresco then anything on top of that needs to come off. If on the other you hand you decide the artist let the fresco dry then painted over it, taking that extra work off is criminal.


The restorers were very careful, and even the historic record backs up that Michelangelo didn't work "a secco" (painting over dry plaster) but only in "buen fresco" (painting onto wet plaster, which causes the figment to become part of the plaster layer). According to contemporary sources, any time a section displeased Michelangelo, they chipped it off and did it again. It's part of the reason the project took him four years.

Also: The Doni Tondo was painted around the same time as the Sistine Chapel. It's Micehlangelo's only oil painting, and it shows the exact same (bright) color palette as the Sistine Chapel ceiling.

TheShavingofOccam123: This complete removal down to the plaster surface was evidently done to the Cistine chapel and The Last Supper.


The Sistine ceiling was (mostly) cleaned down to the plaster, because the pigment is in the plaster.

But the Last Supper is an oil mural. Cleaning it down to the plaster would completely remove it from the wall. The problem with it is that there's very little original paint surface left; it started flaking off the wall almost as soon as it was finished.

Leonardo was a genius, but he should have tested his experiments in oil murals before working on large commissions.

/art historian
//focused on the Italian Renaissance and Baroque in school
 
2012-03-13 07:21:32 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: If you decide the artist only did a fresco then anything on top of that needs to come off. If on the other you hand you decide the artist let the fresco dry then painted over it, taking that extra work off is criminal.


The colors of the Sistine Chapel are the colors Michelangelo used. It was that bright when he painted it. The colors are consistent with the colors he made, keep in mind back then artists made their own colors, for other paintings. Also, we have letters describing exactly how the Sistine Chapel was painted. It wasn't a secco. It was paint on damp plaster.
 
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