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2012-03-13 10:14:32 AM
Last year was a growth year, though. Now that the team's been fine tuned and is ready to reach their full potential, that missing $36 million is really going to cause some problems. Damnit, we may have to wait another year for that Championship now. Way to go, guys.
 
2012-03-13 10:23:46 AM
Snyder'd again Redskin fans! Maybe y'all should switch allegiances to the Ravens; just to troll Snyder into selling the team.
 
2012-03-13 10:24:51 AM
Kindof a shiatty move for the league to announce this now instead of, oh, 12 months ago or so. That said, it's 36 million spread however they want over 2 years. I assume they will push it all to next year under the assumption everyone is getting fired this year anyways, and they should let the next guy deal with the problem.
 
2012-03-13 10:26:39 AM
So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:

According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.
 
2012-03-13 10:30:29 AM

Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:

According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.


Yep, also according to this article in the Washington Post (new window) the Redskins have yet to receive a written notification of this...I wonder if there is a chance for an appeal or something.

It seems weird for the league to punish a team for something that was reviewed and approved by the league at the time.

/And by weird I mean stupid
 
2012-03-13 10:30:30 AM

Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:

According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.


Yeah, the Redskins and Cowboys are essentially being fined for not indulging in collusion, and it was nice of them to announce that 24 hours before free agency begins.

/Guess that means the Redskins are out of the V-Jax race
 
2012-03-13 10:30:39 AM
Dominant, Subby.

So, anyone wanna take a stab at who the big winners in all this are? That's right, the St. Louis Rams!

/Wonder if they knew anything about this when they took Washington's deal over Cleveland's offer?
 
2012-03-13 10:31:55 AM
I really don't understand how they're being punished for cap shenanigans that occurred during the uncapped year.
 
2012-03-13 10:32:08 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:

According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.

Yep, also according to this article in the Washington Post (new window) the Redskins have yet to receive a written notification of this...I wonder if there is a chance for an appeal or something.

It seems weird for the league to punish a team for something that was reviewed and approved by the league at the time.

/And by weird I mean stupid


If there was a chance to appeal, the giant swinging ginger dick that is Roger Goodell should have announced this a lot longer before free agency started. Puts both teams behind the 8-ball in a frenzied FA period, rather unfairly.
 
2012-03-13 10:32:45 AM

js34603: I really don't understand how they're being punished for cap shenanigans that occurred during the uncapped year.


Because 30 NFL owners didn't understand what uncapped meant...
 
2012-03-13 10:33:15 AM

Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:


The other owners are the ones that ultimately matter in this case. There is more to this, I'm sure.
 
2012-03-13 10:35:19 AM
Just goes to show, just because you spend a lot, doesn't mean you get a lot. I'd insert images of Washington's crappy free agent signings below, but I may crash Fark.
 
2012-03-13 10:35:25 AM
As a Giants fan I, of course, find this hilarious. But it also smells pretty fishy. Seems like they teams colluded and the Skins and Cowboys agreed and then broke the agreement.

But that's still shiatty of them to take an advantage that no one else took due to an agreement, although ALSO shiatty that owners colluded again to keep salaries from players.
 
2012-03-13 10:38:17 AM

Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:


That's the Cowboys claim. Their contract with Miles Austin was approved, and then the restructuring was approved too.

But it sounds like they were directly circumventing the cap in a pretty devious way - this morning they said that Miles' contract was restructured so that his "salary" was the league minimum and the rest of the cash was given as a "signing bonus", which obviously is something that couldn't continue in a fair environment.

As a Cowboys fan, I'm bummed. They could have really used that 10mil for filling in the holes in their roster. And I'm frustrated that a team can take a 10mil cap hit for applying for and receiving approval for a contract. But I understand why contracts like that shouldn't be out there in a fair environment.
 
2012-03-13 10:38:48 AM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:

According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.

Yep, also according to this article in the Washington Post (new window) the Redskins have yet to receive a written notification of this...I wonder if there is a chance for an appeal or something.

It seems weird for the league to punish a team for something that was reviewed and approved by the league at the time.

/And by weird I mean stupid


Reviewed and approved by the league? It was an uncapped year, so there was nothing the league could do to regulate how teams spent their money. However, according to this article (new window), the NFL warned every team multiple times that dumping salary cap hits into the uncapped year would have consequences when the salary cap was in place again. It seems that most teams were able to comply with the league's warning and not violate the rules. Four teams failed, but only two were excessive. How is that the NFL's fault?
 
2012-03-13 10:39:28 AM

LucklessWonder: js34603: I really don't understand how they're being punished for cap shenanigans that occurred during the uncapped year.

Because 30 NFL owners didn't understand what uncapped meant...


Actually it's more like "30 NFL owners agreed to collude against the players at the direction of the commish to keep salaries reasonable during the uncapped year".
 
2012-03-13 10:41:12 AM
The Saints were hit by a small penalty for their cap shenanigans as well. Makes you wonder when the Saints weren't cheating
 
2012-03-13 10:42:17 AM

jayhawk88: LucklessWonder: js34603: I really don't understand how they're being punished for cap shenanigans that occurred during the uncapped year.

Because 30 NFL owners didn't understand what uncapped meant...

Actually it's more like "30 NFL owners agreed to collude against the players at the direction of the commish to keep salaries reasonable during the uncapped year".


That's not exactly how it works. How much teams pay their players each year is not the same as how much salary cap space they have. The Cowboys and Redskins structured contracts and dumped salaries such that the their major salary cap hit was in the 2010 year, something they were warned repeatedly (see my linked article) not to do.
 
2012-03-13 10:42:34 AM

jayhawk88: LucklessWonder: js34603: I really don't understand how they're being punished for cap shenanigans that occurred during the uncapped year.

Because 30 NFL owners didn't understand what uncapped meant...

Actually it's more like "30 NFL owners agreed to collude against the players at the direction of the commish to keep salaries reasonable during the uncapped year".


More like 32 players colluded, and then two players broke the agreement to their advantage after helping getting everyone else to hurt players. Let's not give Snyder and Jones any pro-player credit here.
 
2012-03-13 10:43:11 AM

Station: Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:

The other owners are the ones that ultimately matter in this case. There is more to this, I'm sure.


I've heard talk of collusion between them...which seems a bit odd considering they're division rivals, but the owners ARE two of the bigger d1cks in the NFL.
 
2012-03-13 10:45:56 AM

LucklessWonder: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Broktun:
If there was a chance to appeal, the giant swinging ginger dick that is Roger Goodell should have announced this a lot longer before free agency started. Puts both teams behind the 8-ball in a frenzied FA period, rather unfairly.


That is a good point, there really isn't time for an appeal I guess unless the Skins push the entire 36M to next season and spend this FA signing period appealing.

Skins also cut Sellers and released Atogwe, which together freed up another 4.5M in cap space...which it looks like we will really need. I keep hearing the Skins have about 40M in cap space this year, but I haven't heard anything about what is projected for next year. I guess it might be pointless to plot that far ahead given potential signings this year.

We could still land V Jax for 12M/year and have around another 10M to address O-line/D-back concerns assuming they split the 36M evenly over both seasons. But to be honest, I am wary of V-Jax since he was a diva for SD. He has the physical tools, but I'm not sure if his desire and work ethic align with what Shanny has been trying to build as a team culture.
 
2012-03-13 10:46:00 AM
This is a terrible thing to happen in year 20 of a rebuild! Now all that work will go down the drain.

/Still rebuilding right?
//Sucks to be a fan right now :(
 
2012-03-13 10:48:27 AM
I, for one, am just waiting for RG3 to look at the situation on Washington and telling Dan Snyder to get bent on draft day. That would be so awesome.
 
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2012-03-13 10:49:35 AM

Harv72b: Dominant, Subby.


Thanks, that covers my only reason to pop into this thread. Glad it was covered.
 
2012-03-13 10:49:45 AM

NewWorldDan: I, for one, am just waiting for RG3 to look at the situation on Washington and telling Dan Snyder to get bent on draft day. That would be so awesome.


What would be hilarious is if the Colts instead picked up RG3 and Luck had to hit Washington. Won't happen, but I would be amused.

/with the dumping of talent in Indy, the Colts may need a guy that can generate his own offense...
 
2012-03-13 10:50:33 AM
Maybe they can get Albert Haynesworth back. I bet he'd come cheap these days. If he can still stand up, that is.
 
2012-03-13 10:53:22 AM
This offseason keeps getting crazier and crazier. I love it.
 
2012-03-13 10:53:25 AM

LucklessWonder: Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:

According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.

Yeah, the Redskins and Cowboys are essentially being fined for not indulging in collusion, and it was nice of them to announce that 24 hours before free agency begins.

/Guess that means the Redskins are out of the V-Jax race


You wonder if they would've traded all those draft picks if they'd known they also wouldn't have any money for the next two years. Clearly they were relying on using cash to make up for those draft picks as they were WELL under the cap prior to this penalty.

As far as V-Jax goes that might be a blessing given how well their last two big-bets on aging players went. They'd have probably offered him a huge long-term contract and he'd have finished this year under 500 yards receiving.

/Hope RG3 doesn't suck and stays healthy for the next couple of seasons
 
2012-03-13 10:53:59 AM
jayhawk88: LucklessWonder: js34603: I really don't understand how they're being punished for cap shenanigans that occurred during the uncapped year.

Because 30 NFL owners didn't understand what uncapped meant...

Actually it's more like "30 NFL owners agreed to collude against the players at the direction of the commish to keep salaries reasonable during the uncapped year".


collusion and monopoly have no meaning in reference to the NFL, because of the players association and law. I'm not sure the point your trying to make.
 
2012-03-13 10:56:58 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Broktun: So the league approved the contracts and the other owners got pissed:

According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.

Yep, also according to this article in the Washington Post (new window) the Redskins have yet to receive a written notification of this...I wonder if there is a chance for an appeal or something.

It seems weird for the league to punish a team for something that was reviewed and approved by the league at the time.

/And by weird I mean stupid

Reviewed and approved by the league? It was an uncapped year, so there was nothing the league could do to regulate how teams spent their money. However, according to this article (new window), the NFL warned every team multiple times that dumping salary cap hits into the uncapped year would have consequences when the salary cap was in place again. It seems that most teams were able to comply with the league's warning and not violate the rules. Four teams failed, but only two were excessive. How is that the NFL's fault?


I was referencing this quote from the Washington Post article I linked earlier:

The Redskins technically did not violate salary cap rules but attempted to gain an unfair competitive advantage in subsequent years, which were subject to a salary cap, according to three people familiar with the league's thinking.

Allen said in a written statement released by the team: "The Washington Redskins have received no written documentation from the NFL concerning adjustments to the team salary cap in 2012 as reported in various media outlets. Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner's office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season."


After reading your article, I guess a lot of it comes down to semantics. Where is the line between "dumping salary" (which they were warned not to do) and "using an uncapped year to attract talent". It is no secret the Cowboys and Redksins are the biggest revenue generating clubs in the NFL, so wouldn't you expect them to have the highest payrolls in an uncapped year?

I guess I don't like that even though they technically broke no rules they can be punished so severely.

/I am sure the fact that I am a fan of the hardest hit team factors into my feelings
 
2012-03-13 11:06:11 AM
I DESPISE the cowboys, and I have absolutely no love for the Redskins. But this ruling is complete and utter bullshiat. Fark Roger Goodell with a rusty hippopotamus dick. It is my fervent hope that both Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder take this to court and get that ruling reversed. Then, all three of Jones, Goodell, and Snyder should take about eight cyanide pills so we can be done with those pieces of shiat.

But seriously, fark Goodell.
 
2012-03-13 11:06:43 AM
anyone heard of the punishments levied by bounty-gate? no? me neither...
 
2012-03-13 11:07:52 AM

Lost Thought 00: Kindof a shiatty move for the league to announce this now instead of, oh, 12 months ago or so. That said, it's 36 million spread however they want over 2 years. I assume they will push it all to next year under the assumption everyone is getting fired this year anyways, and they should let the next guy deal with the problem.


Not just that, but the league approved the contracts back then. So whatever is up, the contracts are just a cover, not the cause.
 
2012-03-13 11:11:47 AM

ihatedumbpeople: Just goes to show, just because you spend a lot, doesn't mean you get a lot. I'd insert images of Washington's crappy free agent signings below, but I may crash Fark.


Let's see, Redskins FA signings in the Snyder era:
(May 1999, but I'm starting with 2000 because that was the first complete Danny off-season)
(c & p, so formatting likely screwy)

2000
DE Bruce Smith S Mark Carrier RB Adrian Murrell
QB Jeff George DE Nolan Harrison OL J. Leeuwenburg
CB T. Drakeford CB Deion Sanders LB Kevin Mitchell

2001
LS Ethan Albright FB Donnell Bennett WR Kevin Lockett
TE Walter Rasby P Bryan Barker CB Donovan Greer
LB Robert Jones

2002
LB Jeremiah Trotter LB. Jessie Armstead C Larry Moore
DE Renaldo Wynn WR Jacquez Green WR C. Doering
WR Reidel Anthony QB Shane Matthews

2003
G Randy Thomas WR Laveranues Coles K John Hall
RB Chad Morton DT Brandon Noble DE Jermaine Haley
S Matt Bowen DE Regan Upshaw QB Rob Johnson
G Davie Fiore WR Patrick Johnson C Lennie Friedman

2004
DE Phillip Daniels DT Cornelius Griffin CB Shawn Springs
LB M. Washington DE Joe Salave'a P Tom Tupa
CB Walt Harris LB Khary Campbell TE Brian Kozlowski
TE Walter Rasby C Cory Raymer LB Micheal Barrow

2005
C Casey Rabach WR David Patten S Pierson Prioleau
LB Warrick Holdman CB Artrell Hawkins CB Tony Dixon

2006
WR A. Randle El S Adam Archuleta DE Andre Carter
TE Christian Fauria QB Todd Collins CB Kenny Wright
OL Mike Pucillo OL Tyson Walter

2007
LB London Fletcher CB Fred Smoot CB David Macklin
OL Jason Fabini OL Ross Tucker WR Jason McAddley

2008
RB Jerome Mathis QB Derek Devine S Patrick Ghee
S Stuart Schweigert

2009
DT Albert Haynesworth G Derrick Dockery DE Renaldo Wynn
P Hunter Smith LB Robert Thomas OL Mike Williams
P Dirk Johnson OL Jeremy Bridges WR Roydell Williams
WR Trent Shelton

2010
QB Rex Grossman RB Larry Johnson RB Willie Parker
OL K. Lichtensteiger CB Phillip Buchanon OL Artis Hicks
NT Ma'ake Kemoeatu DE Vonnie Holliday RB Ryan Torain
NT Anthony Bryant NT Howard Green P Josh Bidwell
WR Joey Galloway WR Mike Furrey WR Bobby Wade
LB Chris Draft DE Darrion Scott LS Nick Sundberg
TE Lee Vickers CB Ramzee Robinson

That's a really, really depressing list
 
2012-03-13 11:12:24 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Maybe they can get Albert Haynesworth back. I bet he'd come cheap these days. If he can still stand up, that is.


If you sign him, you have to feed him.
 
2012-03-13 11:15:06 AM

ihatedumbpeople: anyone heard of the punishments levied by bounty-gate? no? me neither...


If the punishment for signing league-approved contracts is $36mil, and your fine is levied not because you broke a rule but because everyone else voted for it... imagine how severe the bounty-gate stuff will be.

Hell, if I were the Jacksonville Jaguars and somebody came to me and said, "let's shake down the Redskins and you get nearly 2mil in more cap space" I'd sign on the line every time.
 
2012-03-13 11:15:44 AM

TyrantII: collusion and monopoly have no meaning in reference to the NFL, because of the players association and law. I'm not sure the point your trying to make.


An uncapped year without any "unofficial" restrictions from the league would have not only allowed teams to defer cap figures to that year, it would have also allowed them to pay players more than they ordinarily would have gotten. I'm Dallas and I might not want to pay Austin $10 mil a year over 3 years because it would be too much of a cap hit in '12 and '13, so I dump $29.5 million into the first, uncapped year. But, say, Philly also wants to sign Austin, and they of course can do the same thing. So I up my offer to Miles to $34.5 million in the first year to make sure I sign him.

Keeping the competitive balance between large and small market teams was important to the NFL sure, but perhaps equally important to the owners was that players didn't get larger contracts, which would have set financial precedents for other, future contracts. A wide open market would have potentially driven salaries up almost across the board, perhaps for years to come. By telling teams to not take advantage of the uncapped year the way the Cowboys and Redskins did, the league was effectively preventing players from getting the highest value they could.
 
2012-03-13 11:16:21 AM
Hmmm, paranoid thought here, everyone don their shiniest tinfoil hat:

What if this story was leaked to the media in an effort to hurt the Skins ability to sign free agents in the first few hours/days of FA?

I mean, it could cause 2 things to happen, even if not true:

1 - Redskins will probably hold back from spending big right away in case they do in fact have to take a cap hit, giving other teams a chance to swoop in with big offers to big names
2 - Free agents that want to be on a contender for a division/conference/league championship will think twice about signing for the Redskins (and not just given their recent history) because they will have a handicap against the leage for the next 2 years.

Since the story involves the Cowboys too, that would put the 2 biggest spenders on their heels, right as free agency opens.

/Removes tinfoil hat
 
2012-03-13 11:19:18 AM
Well I look at the world with green and gold glasses so this is fine by me, but I recall my team making a few signings of their own during that offseason that took advantage of the uncapped year. Can't find a good link just now though.
 
2012-03-13 11:20:46 AM
Not going to happen. The NFLPA would flip the f*ck out.
 
2012-03-13 11:23:28 AM

netweavr: Not going to happen. The NFLPA would flip the f*ck out.


The players union agreed to this.
 
2012-03-13 11:23:48 AM

Lost Thought 00: Kindof a shiatty move for the league to announce this now instead of, oh, 12 months ago or so. That said, it's 36 million spread however they want over 2 years. I assume they will push it all to next year under the assumption everyone is getting fired this year anyways, and they should let the next guy deal with the problem.


I read somewhere (forgot where, but I wish I could back this up) that the reason the NFL waited until the day before free agency is because the NFLPA had to approve the salary cap modifications. The NFLPA ended up allowing it without objections because the total salary cap remains unchanged.
 
2012-03-13 11:26:01 AM
Hail to the Snyders!
Hail mediocrity!
Goofs on the Warpath!
Fight for more mon-ey!
Fumble or wobbly pass and bore -- we want a lot more!
Beat 'em, Swamp 'em,
Safey! -- Let the points soar!
Fight on, fight on 'Til you have profited
Sons of Sny-der-dom. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!

Hail to the Snyders!
Hail mediocrity!
Goofs on the Warpath!
Fight for old more mon-ey!
 
2012-03-13 11:28:24 AM

netweavr: Not going to happen. The NFLPA would flip the f*ck out.


I read an article on PFT last night that would counter your point. I forget all the details, because I was kind of drunk, but it made sense at the time....

I think what happened is that if the NFLPA didn't approve this, the overall salary cap in the league would go down somehow. And not only that, but DeMaurice Smith (NFLPA President) is getting re-elected this month. So he had to approve it as quick as he could.

/too lazy to look for a link
 
2012-03-13 11:29:37 AM
Redskins taking $18.4m cap hit this season for the fine, so 17.6m hot in 2013
 
2012-03-13 11:30:36 AM
FTFA:
Dallas and Washington can split the cap loss over the 2012 and '13 seasons in whatever form they prefer, with $1.6 million each going to 28 other NFL teams.

After Dallas and Washington lawyers are done with everything those other 28 teams will be paying them each 4 million dollars. This happened two years ago and approved by league and, where just hearing about it now 24 hours before free agency.
 
2012-03-13 11:33:32 AM

Pick13: FTFA:
Dallas and Washington can split the cap loss over the 2012 and '13 seasons in whatever form they prefer, with $1.6 million each going to 28 other NFL teams.

After Dallas and Washington lawyers are done with everything those other 28 teams will be paying them each 4 million dollars. This happened two years ago and approved by league and, where just hearing about it now 24 hours before free agency.


sorry buddy, but if the players union signed off there isn't much the Cowboys and Skins can do. CBA's have anti-trust exception and the courts always defer this to the leagues.
 
2012-03-13 11:34:19 AM
Reason #4192 the NFL is awesome: they punish the Cowboys and Redskins just kind of on principle.
 
2012-03-13 11:35:00 AM

Bill Frist: Pick13: FTFA:
Dallas and Washington can split the cap loss over the 2012 and '13 seasons in whatever form they prefer, with $1.6 million each going to 28 other NFL teams.

After Dallas and Washington lawyers are done with everything those other 28 teams will be paying them each 4 million dollars. This happened two years ago and approved by league and, where just hearing about it now 24 hours before free agency.

sorry buddy, but if the players union signed off there isn't much the Cowboys and Skins can do. CBA's have anti-trust exception and the courts always defer this to the leagues.


Yes, the players union signed off on a 2010 uncapped year. What part of Uncapped don't you understand?
 
2012-03-13 11:35:52 AM

Pick13: Bill Frist: Pick13: FTFA:
Dallas and Washington can split the cap loss over the 2012 and '13 seasons in whatever form they prefer, with $1.6 million each going to 28 other NFL teams.

After Dallas and Washington lawyers are done with everything those other 28 teams will be paying them each 4 million dollars. This happened two years ago and approved by league and, where just hearing about it now 24 hours before free agency.

sorry buddy, but if the players union signed off there isn't much the Cowboys and Skins can do. CBA's have anti-trust exception and the courts always defer this to the leagues.

Yes, the players union signed off on a 2010 uncapped year. What part of Uncapped don't you understand?


Whoosh.
 
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