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(Reuters)   Israel and Hamas declare truce. For those of you who aren't aware, "truce" is a term used in the region meaning "temporary cease-fire in order to restock weapons and ammunition"   (reuters.com) divider line 192
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2012-03-13 10:49:57 AM
Baby steps, baby steps, then with any luck it'll gain traction.
 
2012-03-13 11:31:29 AM
Israeli Right leaning Jerusalem Post:
...
Assessments ahead of the decision to bomb the car carrying Zuhair Qaisi predicted that around 100 rockets could be fired into Israel during each day of the round of violence expected to erupt. This was a price the government felt it was capable of paying.

In the decision to recommend Qaisi's assassination, the IDF was basically implementing the lessons it had learned from the August attack along the border with Egypt.

Then too, Israel knew of PRC plans to launch an attack along the border, but refrained from attacking the terrorist group's leadership until immediately after the attack was carried out. The thinking then was that a targeted killing before the attack - during which eight Israelis were killed - would lead to a definite escalation and that maybe there was a different way to thwart the attack from Sinai.

This time, the IDF decided not to take any chances. Qaisi was believed to be planning another attack against Israel from Sinai and the military was not willing to rely on its intelligence apparatuses and patrols along the border in stopping it. This time, it decided to try and thwart the attack before it took place.

Starting a war is easy though. The difficult part is ending it.

In this regard, the IDF did not seem on Saturday to be in a major hurry to do so and it was instead more focused on hurting the PRC and Islamic Jihad - responsible for the firing of around 100 rockets and mortars into Israel - than it was in stopping the violence.

There are a number of reasons. Firstly, the IDF hopes that the assassination will prevent the attack along Israel's border with Egypt.

Secondly, there are three Iron Dome rocket-defense batteries that have been deployed in Beersheba, Ashdod and Ashkelon and have achieved a record-high 90 percent interception success rate over the weekend.

And lastly, the IDF is using this as an opportunity to do some "maintenance work" in Gaza and to mow the lawn, so to speak, with regard to terrorism, with the main goal of boosting its deterrence and postponing the next round of violence for as long as possible.

This is essentially the situation in the Gaza Strip since Operation Cast Lead ended in January 2009.

Every few months, something happens, setting off a round of violence that usually lasts a few days until it suddenly ends just like it began. Once it is an antitank missile attack against an Israeli school bus and the next time a targeted killing of a top terrorist.

Either way, the scenario is pretty much played out the same way. The main difference today is that Hamas is completely uninvolved in the sense that its operatives are not firing rockets into Israel. On the other hand, Israel does believe that Hamas could be doing more to stop the fire into Israel.

This way, Hamas sends a double message to Israel. By not actively attacking Israel, it is demonstrating its desire for quiet and stability, which it wants in order to solidify its rule while at the same time warm up to the new government in Egypt.

The other message is more difficult to decipher.

Not stopping the other groups' rocket attacks could be the result of a Hamas understanding that it needs to let the Gaza terrorists blow off some steam every once in a while - particularly groups like Islamic Jihad and the PRC, which it does not completely control.

On the other hand, the fact that these groups are continuing to fire rockets into Israel could be perceived as a Hamas weakness, meaning that it does not have the ability to stop Islamic Jihad or the PRC.

Both of these groups have been building up impressive military capabilities - some even greater than Hamas's - and pose a direct challenge to Hamas's rule over the Gaza Strip. A direct confrontation with them is not something that Hamas wants either, even at the price of several days of Israeli air strikes.


From the Israeli left leaning Haaretz

The cyclical ritual of bloodletting between Israel and Gaza always prompts two questions: 'Who started it?' and 'Whose is bigger?'

From a Palestinian American POV

"Mowing the lawn": On Israel's latest massacre in Gaza and the lies behind it
 
2012-03-13 11:37:31 AM
Gaza's Hamas Islamist leadership has kept out of the fighting and seemed eager to avoid a larger conflict with Israel.

Pretty sure Hamas and Israel already had a truce in place, this was brokered (by Egypt) between Israel and Islamic Jihad, and some other militant factions.

Side note, thought this was kind of interesting.
Islamic Jihad has maintained close ties to its sole sponsor, Iran, while rival Hamas in recent months has drifted away from its longtime patron, in part because of disagreements over Syria's brutal crackdown on regime opponents. Iran has punished Hamas for refusing to side with Syrian President Bashar Assad, including by cutting funding. Link (new window)
 
2012-03-13 01:21:52 PM
It will never end.
 
2012-03-13 01:22:52 PM
This is bad...for armageddon.
 
2012-03-13 01:24:10 PM
Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.
 
2012-03-13 01:24:46 PM

Party Boy: Israeli Right leaning Jerusalem Post:
...


Wow. good stuff. Thanks!
 
2012-03-13 01:26:14 PM
Wash, Rinse, Repeat. We are in the rinse part now
 
2012-03-13 01:26:37 PM
They have a round of Secret Santa.
 
2012-03-13 01:27:12 PM
While the other side restocks rocks.
 
2012-03-13 01:28:08 PM
For those of you who aren't aware, "truce" is a term used in the region meaning "temporary cease-fire in order to restock weapons and ammunition"

Of course. Anybody who has played a Total War game could tell you that.
 
2012-03-13 01:28:21 PM
Hudna.
 
2012-03-13 01:32:26 PM
Whatever sells the most widgets.

i242.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-13 01:32:32 PM
I feel bad for the average guy in the Middle East...

"You know, I just want to sell stuff, or punch code, or make a living..."

/but none of the governments or 'religious' groups or 'nations' will allow that...
 
2012-03-13 01:34:16 PM
I think that the major reason for the truce this go round, is that Hamas has come out against Syria and its attacks on Syrian citizenry. As Syria is the major backer of Hamas, I doubt Hamas now has the ability to care on sustained conflict without Syrian support.
 
2012-03-13 01:35:48 PM

Allen. The end.: I feel bad for the average guy in the Middle East...

"You know, I just want to sell stuff, or punch code, or make a living..."

/but none of the governments or 'religious' groups or 'nations' will allow that...



Go there.....that is what about 99.9% of the people do
 
2012-03-13 01:38:21 PM
"When Predacons talk truce, it just means they need time to reload their weapons."
"Ordinarily yes, but this time I mean in."
"Do you take me for a fool?"
"No. I take you for a Maximal."
 
2012-03-13 01:38:58 PM
As a moderate American Christian up here in the cheap seats, I hope that this one lasts. My girlfriend is Jewish and went on a birthright trip this summer. I was scared the entire time something bad would happen.

Both sides have problems. We can't solve them if there's bullets flying.
 
2012-03-13 01:43:11 PM
I'm sure we'll be hearing that through no fault of Israel's they had to drive tanks over children soon enough. It's strange to grow up because at some point a light bulb goes off and one thinks 'Could one person or group of people be soley responsible for everything that happens over there 100 percent of the time?' and the answer, for me, is no. Then the other light bulb goes off and the question becomes 'Can people be so ignorant that they'll willingly believe everything told to them about how it is always the one person or group of people's fault every single time always?' and the answer to that is yes.
 
2012-03-13 01:43:59 PM

Tahllunari: Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.


If you lob missiles at your neighbor across the backyard fence, don't be surprised if he comes over and stomps the shiat out of you.
 
2012-03-13 01:46:03 PM

netcentric: Allen. The end.: I feel bad for the average guy in the Middle East...

"You know, I just want to sell stuff, or punch code, or make a living..."

/but none of the governments or 'religious' groups or 'nations' will allow that...


Go there.....that is what about 99.9% of the people do


Spent three weeks in Israel a few years ago, nothing but good times. Fantastic historical places, awesome food, and great people. On the way to Petra, all the Jordanian border guards had to shake my hand and welcome me to the Kingdom of Jordan when they found out I was from "Los Angeeleez, California".
Can't wait to go back, fark the war.
 
xcv
2012-03-13 01:46:54 PM
Every day of calm is a win for Israelis and ordinary Gazans and a defeat in this case for Islamic Jihad's primary sponsor, Iran
 
2012-03-13 01:48:30 PM

Marine1: As a moderate American Christian up here in the cheap seats, I hope that this one lasts. My girlfriend is Jewish and went on a birthright trip this summer.



She's a Mossad agent going back to get new instructions. Eventually, you'll be drugged and wake up in an interogation room in Rome.
 
2012-03-13 01:49:07 PM
They have two choices, learn to respect each and bring down your walls or fight to the death. Remember when you take option two that it will make you the monsters that hitler thought you were.
 
PJ-
2012-03-13 01:52:43 PM
How can you have any kind of agreement with something that doesn't exist?
 
2012-03-13 01:54:37 PM

FTA (What muslims consider "peace" and a "cease fire")

Palestinian rocket attacks dropped sharply(1) after the ceasefire went into effect overnight, and no major towns(2) in southern Israel were targeted.

(1) Not stopped, just "less of them
(2) Smaller targets (like when they blow up children on buses.



// in before leftist blame the jooooozzz for islam being violent and dishonest.
 
2012-03-13 01:55:07 PM

Allen. The end.: I feel bad for the average guy in the Middle East...

"You know, I just want to sell stuff, or punch code, or make a living..."

/but none of the governments or 'religious' groups or 'nations' will allow that...


^ This
 
2012-03-13 01:56:21 PM
Tahllunari

Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.

Seeing that the islamists have once again violated the cease fire. That's exactly what they should be doing.


// guess I wasn't in before the dirty-jew comments after all.
 
2012-03-13 02:01:05 PM

OnlyM3: Tahllunari

Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.
Seeing that the islamists have once again violated the cease fire. That's exactly what they should be doing.


// guess I wasn't in before the dirty-jew comments after all.




control F "dirty-jew"


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-03-13 02:03:01 PM
that is pretty much the accepted definition every where.
 
2012-03-13 02:13:38 PM

OnlyM3: Tahllunari

Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.
Seeing that the islamists have once again violated the cease fire. That's exactly what they should be doing.


// guess I wasn't in before the dirty-jew comments after all.


In before zionists claiming anyone who disagrees with them hates jews and calls jews names at every chance they get because they couldn't have an opinion that is based in avoiding hyperbole and brainwashing but is based in anti-semitism, and possibly a hatred of jesus and god too.

Oh, I guess I wasn't in before the race-baiting, propaganda fed douche-bag.
 
2012-03-13 02:18:31 PM

chuckufarlie: that is pretty much the accepted definition every where.


Words have different meanings when we are referring to Muslims.

var function Soldier_commits_massacre{
if (victims===Muslim){
response="These things happen in wartime, get over it";
}else if(soldier===Muslim){
response="OMG ZEE TERROR!"
}
}
 
2012-03-13 02:21:21 PM

rudemix: In before zionists claiming anyone who disagrees with them hates jews and calls jews names at every chance they get because they couldn't have an opinion that is based in avoiding hyperbole and brainwashing but is based in anti-semitism


It's not anti- Semitic to criticize Israel, but it is suspicious when certain people devote much of their time to intense criticism of Israel while ignoring those countries in the world that are far worse. Of course, this could also be the result of mindless anti- Americanism bleeding over onto Israel, America's ally. But in at least some of the cases where Israel is noisily castigated while Syrians and Sudanese and Pakistani Christians are massacred without comment, there is an atavistic Jew- hatred at work.

www.zombietime.com
 
2012-03-13 02:23:13 PM
Astute Subby is astute.
 
2012-03-13 02:23:57 PM

OnlyM3: FTA (What muslims consider "peace" and a "cease fire")
Palestinian rocket attacks dropped sharply(1) after the ceasefire went into effect overnight, and no major towns(2) in southern Israel were targeted.
(1) Not stopped, just "less of them
(2) Smaller targets (like when they blow up children on buses.



// in before leftist blame the jooooozzz for islam being violent and dishonest.


Pre-Emptive shiat flinging?
 
2012-03-13 02:24:50 PM

rudemix: I'm sure we'll be hearing that through no fault of Israel's they had to drive tanks over children soon enough. It's strange to grow up because at some point a light bulb goes off and one thinks 'Could one person or group of people be soley responsible for everything that happens over there 100 percent of the time?' and the answer, for me, is no. Then the other light bulb goes off and the question becomes 'Can people be so ignorant that they'll willingly believe everything told to them about how it is always the one person or group of people's fault every single time always?' and the answer to that is yes.


As there is a cease fire in place, your assumption is likely misplaced.

Your comments about always blaming one side is true, but on fark the one side that seems to always get blamed is the Israeli side. Is it always the Palestinians, no, is it always Israel, no.

In this case, the cycle was started by Islamic Jihad and other Hamas splinter group that continually fire Qassam rockets over the border in to Israel. They are still doing so despite the cease fire. How do you, or the others who feel Israel is in the wrong, propose Israel respond? By just letting the rockets fall?
 
2012-03-13 02:25:53 PM

Ecobuckeye: While the other side restocks rocks.


You missed spelled Rockets.
 
2012-03-13 02:27:20 PM
is this where I place my bet on the ceasefire breaking down?

3/22/12
 
2012-03-13 02:27:41 PM

rudemix: OnlyM3: Tahllunari

Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.
Seeing that the islamists have once again violated the cease fire. That's exactly what they should be doing.


// guess I wasn't in before the dirty-jew comments after all.

In before zionists claiming anyone who disagrees with them hates jews and calls jews names at every chance they get because they couldn't have an opinion that is based in avoiding hyperbole and brainwashing but is based in anti-semitism, and possibly a hatred of jesus and god too.

Oh, I guess I wasn't in before the race-baiting, propaganda fed douche-bag.


Hey now, I'm not anti-semitic or anti-muslim. I just personally believe that Israel (as a nation that also contains Christians, as we are a nation of Christians that also contain Muslims and Jews) is probably the reason for this going on at this point. Israel and the US are the reason why Palestine can't get into the UN. We'll veto it and that's dumb, especially since Best Korea is in it.
 
2012-03-13 02:28:39 PM
I am glad I could bring another Israel thread into the world. All we need now is a dash of Tatsuma...

/subby
 
2012-03-13 02:29:17 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: rudemix: In before zionists claiming anyone who disagrees with them hates jews and calls jews names at every chance they get because they couldn't have an opinion that is based in avoiding hyperbole and brainwashing but is based in anti-semitism

It's not anti- Semitic to criticize Israel, but it is suspicious when certain people devote much of their time to intense criticism of Israel while ignoring those countries in the world that are far worse. Of course, this could also be the result of mindless anti- Americanism bleeding over onto Israel, America's ally. But in at least some of the cases where Israel is noisily castigated while Syrians and Sudanese and Pakistani Christians are massacred without comment, there is an atavistic Jew- hatred at work.

[www.zombietime.com image 291x468]


In my case I have no dislike for Jews but I do have an intense dislike for the prevailing turmoil in the region that has existed since I was a child. At 43 years old I also have an intense dislike for the spin that is put onto the situation by western media that has always favored Israel in ways that can not be possible 100% of the time. I literally grew up being fed propaganda about the region that was misleading and one sided, and in this day and age I am going to assume it was deliberate. I also have a dislike for the way neither side will really commit to moving away from their position in an effort to make a move forward. Though at this point I understand both side's reluctance to do so. I do not believe any of these thoughts make me an atavistic jew-hater, but if they do so be it. I grew up in a country where it was openly accepted that to be an atavistic muslim hater and has been encouraged for as long as I can remember via every medium available. But since Muslims/Palestinians/Non-jews of the middle east aren't the right semites, it technically isn't anti-semitism, right? When being able to blast someone for being anti-semitic for an opinion that varies from Israel right 100% of time, Muslims wrong 100% of time, is perfectly acceptable to people.
 
2012-03-13 02:30:13 PM
Dear Pro Israel/Pro Palestine cheerleaders. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
 
2012-03-13 02:30:53 PM

Tahllunari: rudemix: OnlyM3: Tahllunari

Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.
Seeing that the islamists have once again violated the cease fire. That's exactly what they should be doing.


// guess I wasn't in before the dirty-jew comments after all.

In before zionists claiming anyone who disagrees with them hates jews and calls jews names at every chance they get because they couldn't have an opinion that is based in avoiding hyperbole and brainwashing but is based in anti-semitism, and possibly a hatred of jesus and god too.

Oh, I guess I wasn't in before the race-baiting, propaganda fed douche-bag.

Hey now, I'm not anti-semitic or anti-muslim. I just personally believe that Israel (as a nation that also contains Christians, as we are a nation of Christians that also contain Muslims and Jews) is probably the reason for this going on at this point. Israel and the US are the reason why Palestine can't get into the UN. We'll veto it and that's dumb, especially since Best Korea is in it.


Best Korea actual IS a country. See the difference?
 
2012-03-13 02:31:12 PM

Tahllunari: rudemix: OnlyM3: Tahllunari

Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.
Seeing that the islamists have once again violated the cease fire. That's exactly what they should be doing.


// guess I wasn't in before the dirty-jew comments after all.

In before zionists claiming anyone who disagrees with them hates jews and calls jews names at every chance they get because they couldn't have an opinion that is based in avoiding hyperbole and brainwashing but is based in anti-semitism, and possibly a hatred of jesus and god too.

Oh, I guess I wasn't in before the race-baiting, propaganda fed douche-bag.

Hey now, I'm not anti-semitic or anti-muslim. I just personally believe that Israel (as a nation that also contains Christians, as we are a nation of Christians that also contain Muslims and Jews) is probably the reason for this going on at this point. Israel and the US are the reason why Palestine can't get into the UN. We'll veto it and that's dumb, especially since Best Korea is in it.


Well until the Palestinians live up to some simple agreements that they made, like controlling the people who launch rockets over the borders, and removing items from the national charter calling for the destruction of Israel, perhaps they don't deserve to be in the UN.

As for Best Korea, different situations are different, funny how that works.
 
2012-03-13 02:33:35 PM

Ecobuckeye: While the other side restocks rocks.


You left the "et" out.
 
2012-03-13 02:35:31 PM

OnlyM3: // in before leftist blame the jooooozzz for islam being violent and dishonest.


Israeli attack
i.imgur.com

Palestinian Attack
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

typically the Israilis kill more Palestinian CHILDREN than Palestinians kill total
 
2012-03-13 02:38:09 PM

Wolf_Cub: rudemix: I'm sure we'll be hearing that through no fault of Israel's they had to drive tanks over children soon enough. It's strange to grow up because at some point a light bulb goes off and one thinks 'Could one person or group of people be soley responsible for everything that happens over there 100 percent of the time?' and the answer, for me, is no. Then the other light bulb goes off and the question becomes 'Can people be so ignorant that they'll willingly believe everything told to them about how it is always the one person or group of people's fault every single time always?' and the answer to that is yes.

As there is a cease fire in place, your assumption is likely misplaced.

Your comments about always blaming one side is true, but on fark the one side that seems to always get blamed is the Israeli side. Is it always the Palestinians, no, is it always Israel, no.

In this case, the cycle was started by Islamic Jihad and other Hamas splinter group that continually fire Qassam rockets over the border in to Israel. They are still doing so despite the cease fire. How do you, or the others who feel Israel is in the wrong, propose Israel respond? By just letting the rockets fall?


I honestly think both sides need to take an actual accounting of what has gone on here from day one, for themselves, not for the world or worldview. I think they should both be able to be honest and admit that they both have made mistakes and errors and have had at least some small hand (and not in a good way) for the way things are there today. Basically each side needs to drop the moral superiority and belief they are completely right. No one backs down when they believe they are operating from the only moral, and correct, position. What does Israel do today about the rockets falling? There is no one day solution here, but getting people to look realistically at this from an honest point of view, and quit just accepting one side is always right and one side is always wrong, and probably ending the western anti-muslim sentiments that can be so easily thrown about. I honestly see more anti-muslim sentiments in any day, week, month, year period than I ever see anti-semitism. Except in Fark threads where it seems everyone that isn't Tatsuma is an anti-semite for their opinion.
 
2012-03-13 02:40:29 PM
Due to concerns over malnutrition Israel doing their part to ensure Gazan civilians get their RDV of phosphorus

i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-13 02:40:53 PM

Tahllunari: rudemix: OnlyM3: Tahllunari

Don't worry, Israel will be stomping all over the Gaza by the weekend. It's what they do.
Seeing that the islamists have once again violated the cease fire. That's exactly what they should be doing.


// guess I wasn't in before the dirty-jew comments after all.

In before zionists claiming anyone who disagrees with them hates jews and calls jews names at every chance they get because they couldn't have an opinion that is based in avoiding hyperbole and brainwashing but is based in anti-semitism, and possibly a hatred of jesus and god too.

Oh, I guess I wasn't in before the race-baiting, propaganda fed douche-bag.

Hey now, I'm not anti-semitic or anti-muslim. I just personally believe that Israel (as a nation that also contains Christians, as we are a nation of Christians that also contain Muslims and Jews) is probably the reason for this going on at this point. Israel and the US are the reason why Palestine can't get into the UN. We'll veto it and that's dumb, especially since Best Korea is in it.


That there is no country called "Palestine" is a pretty major reason for not getting into the UN.
 
2012-03-13 02:41:20 PM
Let 'em kill each other. fark these desert death cults.
 
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