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2012-03-13 11:12:09 AM

Jackson Herring: The internet is not ready


The internet is dead to me.
 
2012-03-13 11:12:20 AM

Skarekrough: monoski: The author must not be paying any attention to the responses coming out of southern voters. Their ignorance goes back decades and cannot simply be blamed on Palin.

//Nurse quoted on NPR this morning responding to Obamacare "people just need to return to prayer"

And that was the point that I had to pull over and get a cup of coffee or I was going to punch my radio.

That level of ignorance should distinguish you from the appropriate level of awareness required to cast a vote. They're maliciously and actively working to remain ignorant of facts and reality, a task which any democracy requires for it to be effective.


If I remember correctly she then went on to also call Fartbongo a Muslim.
 
2012-03-13 11:13:00 AM

Muta: Elfich: The loonies had been out there for a while. She just gave them someone to latch onto all at once. And once the loonies were out there they couldn't be put back in the box.

This. Clinton winning the Presidency brought out the loonies. He was the first president I heard referred to as 'the antichrist.' G.W. Bush's election gave the intentional ignorant loonies validity.


This. The crazy seemed to hit critical mass around '94. Newt, the Whitewater investigation, Monica Lewinski, and of course, Rush arriving on the scene to fan the flames. It lead directly to George W's win in 2000. The GOP crazy train's been picking up speed ever since.
 
2012-03-13 11:13:11 AM

9 penguins in my shirt: It is an interesting question, actually. Just when did being stupid become a point of pride in this country?


I suspect forever. I saw plenty of it growing up in the 80s.
 
2012-03-13 11:14:41 AM

ha-ha-guy: Goldwater at least got a bit better on race later in life.


Wikipedia says that he was one of the largest collectors of Hopi art.
 
2012-03-13 11:14:42 AM

the_geek: Charisma is what wins elections, not politics or smarts. Clinton was charisma-incarnate. Bush had more charisma in his pinky than Gore did.. same with Kerry. Obama vs McCain? Not even a chance. That's why I think Obama will win again, the Republican side doesn't have a charismatic figurehead at the moment.


I heard some pundit once hypothesize that she could tell with almost perfect accuracy whether a sitting president would be re-elected simply by asking whether it looked like he was enjoying the job. Reagan, Clinton, Bush II - all of them looked like they were having a blast. Carter, Ford, Bush I all of them looked miserable. The only outlier was Nixon, who always looked miserable.
 
2012-03-13 11:15:01 AM
jigger:
Who ruined American politics again?

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Hey... those guys managed to ruin CANADIAN politics too. Our Conservatives used to be well... just conservative. Now they're scorched-earth fascists who play Rovean politics to the bitter end.
 
2012-03-13 11:16:07 AM

Kurmudgeon: the_geek: Charisma is what wins elections, not politics or smarts. Clinton was charisma-incarnate. Bush had more charisma in his pinky than Gore did.. same with Kerry.

I weep for my country.


Charisma has always won elections, all the way back to Demosthenes. When the elected leader has a respect for intelligence and gets himself a good brain trust, it isn't a problem. When the elected leader doesn't do that, then we have problems.
 
2012-03-13 11:16:24 AM
yeah I remember when the sarah and john were adorned with such beautiful campaign themes as " Kill Him ", " Terrorist" and "Treason" in reference to Fartpotatoe. then I was told I was a racist. the Libs musta got to them like they did Rush
 
2012-03-13 11:16:25 AM

Wendy's Chili: images.wikia.com


Yep. The GOP could've had George H.W. Bush in 1980, but they went for style over smarts and substance.
 
2012-03-13 11:16:34 AM

9 penguins in my shirt: It is an interesting question, actually. Just when did being stupid become a point of pride in this country?


1828.
 
2012-03-13 11:16:54 AM

BMulligan: the_geek: Charisma is what wins elections, not politics or smarts. Clinton was charisma-incarnate. Bush had more charisma in his pinky than Gore did.. same with Kerry. Obama vs McCain? Not even a chance. That's why I think Obama will win again, the Republican side doesn't have a charismatic figurehead at the moment.

I heard some pundit once hypothesize that she could tell with almost perfect accuracy whether a sitting president would be re-elected simply by asking whether it looked like he was enjoying the job. Reagan, Clinton, Bush II - all of them looked like they were having a blast. Carter, Ford, Bush I all of them looked miserable. The only outlier was Nixon, who always looked miserable.


I remember a few scenes from Doctor Who where President Nixon didn't look completely miserable.

/Doctor Who is real, right?
 
2012-03-13 11:17:07 AM
I'm not sure about "deliberate" ignorance. I think that Palin, like Dubya, is simply as dumb as a box of rocks, and if she had grown up inside a wealthy, intellectual family, she might have gone to Harvard and Yale, but at the end of it, she, like Dubya, would have remained as dumb as a box of rocks.

One of the things it took hard experience and direct observation for me to learn is that some people are born with completely empty heads, and there is nothing on this Earth that can put anything into those heads. Not patience, not understanding, not inspiring examples, not anything. Some heads are empty vacuums. Palin's is one of them. She's ignorant because she's not capable of learning. Expecting her to learn is like expecting a blind man to see.
 
2012-03-13 11:17:16 AM

SkinnyHead: Looks like Mr. Cohen gets his learning about politics from watching made-for-TV movies on the Bill Maher network.


This is why I don't block Skinnyhead...that's comedy gold right there.
 
2012-03-13 11:18:14 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I'm old enough to remember when people like Bill Buckley and the Kristols had influence on the Republicans. I didn't care for their politics, but at least they were intellectual. Buckley must spin in his grave every time Rick Perry opens his mouth.


Um, Kristol is the idiot who "found" Palin and encouraged McCain to choose her has his running mate.

So much for modern-day "intellectual republicans"
 
2012-03-13 11:18:53 AM

Toots de la Footsjelly: Light has been around forever but it took a magnifying glass to concentrate it enough to burn the ants.


Old enough to know better: The GOP crazy train's been picking up speed ever since.


I enjoy these metaphors very much. Old enough, to build on that one, Palin is the point where the engineers stopped trying to fix the brakes and just bailed.
 
2012-03-13 11:19:00 AM

No Such Agency: jigger:
Who ruined American politics again?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 611x404]

Hey... those guys managed to ruin CANADIAN politics too. Our Conservatives used to be well... just conservative. Now they're scorched-earth fascists who play Rovean politics to the bitter end.


Sounds like you side with the child pornographers.
 
2012-03-13 11:19:00 AM
So when will the Republicans' Obama smear video be released, you know they're gonna do it
 
2012-03-13 11:19:15 AM
I watched "Game Change" last night. If this thing is even half as accurate as to what went down, I'd like to have the tards who vetted Palin to be immediately committed to an asylum for the criminally insane. It starts out with her being a bonehead totally out of her league, and then after being told by her redneck secessionist husband to be more assertive, she becomes this spoiled monstrous brat who runs off acting like this is HER campaign to run and not McCain's.

(I wonder what sales of Diet Dr. Pepper are going to be like now too after such an anti-endorsement?)

Ed Harris pulled off McCain spectacularly. You could almost feel his soul dying within him just as it did with McCain seeing all the crowds he was addressing turning into ugly-minded Aryan rally lynchmobs. I wonder what the "crazy-haired cat lady who thinks Obama is an Arab" must think about her now being a part of political History?
 
2012-03-13 11:19:46 AM

Headso: s2s2s2: Political discourse has come full circle. Back in the 1700's and early 1800's, there was talk of potential first ladies spreading VD, and ....

And people kept slaves and didn't know to use sterile instruments for surgery...


You shooting for correlation, or causation?
 
2012-03-13 11:21:01 AM

imontheinternet: The author proves too much. Palin brought her own special brand of derp to the same people who voted for Bush, because they thought he would be a great guy to have a beer with.

The candidates are a reflection of the electorate. If you have a population drowning in ignorance and mediocrity, you will have a slate of candidates to reflect it.



This

IrateShadow: jigger: Who ruined American politics again?


upload.wikimedia.org

AAAAAAAAnd this.
 
2012-03-13 11:22:32 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I'm old enough to remember when people like Bill Buckley and the Kristols had influence on the Republicans.


The Kristols still do, through Bill the Younger. I would put quite a bit of the blame for the rampaging dumbass wingnuttery square on his smarmy little head.
 
2012-03-13 11:22:36 AM

Old enough to know better: Muta: Elfich: The loonies had been out there for a while. She just gave them someone to latch onto all at once. And once the loonies were out there they couldn't be put back in the box.

This. Clinton winning the Presidency brought out the loonies. He was the first president I heard referred to as 'the antichrist.' G.W. Bush's election gave the intentional ignorant loonies validity.

This. The crazy seemed to hit critical mass around '94. Newt, the Whitewater investigation, Monica Lewinski, and of course, Rush arriving on the scene to fan the flames. It lead directly to George W's win in 2000. The GOP crazy train's been picking up speed ever since.


I think that all stems from Clinton's victory over the incumbent Bush Sr. in 1992. After Reagan, conservatives were probably getting all excited over the potential, based on the strength of Reagan's victories, for decades of conservative occupation of the White House, but Clinton swooped in and ruined everything. Instead of self-reflection or trying to figure out what went wrong, they went the other direction and held a grudge against Clinton in particular, and the left in general. The election of George W. vindicated this strategy.
 
2012-03-13 11:23:03 AM

I alone am best: Bullcrap, shes an idiot but our gradual decline was around long before anyone knew her name.


Yup. Palin wasn't the first mendacious know-nothing to hold elective office; merely the most recent, glaring example. You want to see a quality liar, look to Gingrich, or The Heritage Foundation, or The Cato Institute.
 
2012-03-13 11:24:28 AM
There's a saying, which I forget the origin of- "ignorance is not a point of view."

A segment of American society is trying to change that, and Sarah Palin is one of their public faces. To save time, I'll just call that group "Republicans."
 
2012-03-13 11:24:37 AM

TV's Vinnie: I watched "Game Change" last night. If this thing is even half as accurate as to what went down, I'd like to have the tards who vetted Palin to be immediately committed to an asylum for the criminally insane.


Bill Kristol regularly offers his assessment of the current presidential election cycle, and he's not shouted done by, "Haven't you done enough already?!?" People still pay him a lot of money to do it. And you might say that Palin was the domestic political equivalent of "invade Iraq because of WMDs."

I don't get how people can screw up that collossally and not be held to account for it.
 
2012-03-13 11:26:43 AM

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: The internet is not ready

The internet is dead to me.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-13 11:27:34 AM
It's tough to listen to the pundits and the candidates this election without thinking "where's my voice?" "Where's my candidate?"

It seems as though we are witnessing a fight between the lesser of "who cares?" but it shouldn't be like that. We should not have candidates who run on lies and half-truths. We should not have candidates who speak for the powerful but do nothing for the common man. For it is far more disrespectful and disingenuous for a wealthy businessman to say that he knows the hardships of the poor. Just that it is too unfair to have a man who believes that we should be a Christian theocracy because God wills it. I don't know what God that man speaks to, but I know that he would be going against the founding principles of our country for which he says he loves so much.

Our two party system is broken. We have the party of the right wing and we have the party of the radical right wing. To those that seek social progress, and smaller governments, we have no voice. There is no moderate party anymore. There is no "Party of Lincoln" or "Party of Roosevelt" just the "Party of me." And I don't know about you, but there is more to this country than one man's beliefs and one man's set of ideals.

What we need is a party that looks to at all views on a subject, that can take a situation and look for the best solution. We don't have that anymore, it's either one party's system or the other with no compromise, no looking for another alternative. We need to fix that. We need a party that solves the issues plaguing this country with logic and reason.

These solutions won't fix it overnight but that's the mindset we need to stop having. We can't keep doing quick-fixes on issues and expect it to be solved. We need to look at long-term impacts and fix it with long-term solutions.
 
2012-03-13 11:27:38 AM

9 penguins in my shirt: It is an interesting question, actually. Just when did being stupid become a point of pride in this country?


With McCarthy. Nixon furthered it with his open resentment for the well-educated, and his staffers and campaign henchmen -Rove, Cheney, Addington, the whole Young Republican Movement- completed the transformation in their quest for vengeance following his impeachment.
 
2012-03-13 11:27:47 AM

9 penguins in my shirt: It is an interesting question, actually. Just when did being stupid become a point of pride in this country?


I actually disagree with the concept that anti-intellectualism is new in America. For instance, there was a political movement in the 19th Century called the "Know Nothings" (although they were more anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant than purely anti-intellectual). Lots of Americans have wanted to trust religion over logic for a very long time, especially when the two conflict (evolution, for instance).
 
2012-03-13 11:28:15 AM
I am reminded of Tim Lahaye and Bevets who seem to believe that being "as ignorant as a babe" is desirable and virtuous. I would guess the pride in ignorance/anti intellectualism really started when fundamentalists got involved in politics and demanded candidates that were similar to them.
 
2012-03-13 11:28:19 AM
I'm thinking that she wasn't deliberately ignorant. That suggests she wanted to be informed but was consciously making an effort to remain ignorant.
 
2012-03-13 11:28:32 AM

s2s2s2: Headso: s2s2s2: Political discourse has come full circle. Back in the 1700's and early 1800's, there was talk of potential first ladies spreading VD, and ....

And people kept slaves and didn't know to use sterile instruments for surgery...

You shooting for correlation, or causation?


Just saying we don't need to resign ourselves to the idea that political discourse has to return to idiocy.
 
2012-03-13 11:28:45 AM
No. She was the logical conclusion of where they were already headed. If it wasn't her it would have been any other derp queen or king. She was just in the right position (female and governor) at the right time (we need to pull out all the stops to make voters still support us after the last 8 years of insanity and destruction of the country).
 
2012-03-13 11:29:13 AM
It's adorable when someone thinks this level of childish ignorance is anything new to American politics. We've been like this since the party got started. The only difference is we now have nuclear weapons.
 
2012-03-13 11:30:26 AM

gadian: Sarah's just a symptom. The disease is not telling idiots to STFU until they become educated and informed and actually have something to contribute besides obstructionism.


This really isn't the way to go about this. If you're going to be involved in these discussions, you need to be willing to educate and engage. If you're not willing to do that, you're simply perpetuating the problem.
 
2012-03-13 11:30:30 AM
Oh lordy, were we really that close to having a petulant, ignorant, self-absorbed denialist in a position of political power?
 
2012-03-13 11:30:43 AM

Heron: 9 penguins in my shirt: It is an interesting question, actually. Just when did being stupid become a point of pride in this country?

With McCarthy. Nixon furthered it with his open resentment for the well-educated, and his staffers and campaign henchmen -Rove, Cheney, Addington, the whole Young Republican Movement- completed the transformation in their quest for vengeance following his impeachment.


Oh, I should add that the Evangelicals played a big part in this, too. Much of the popular fear of intellectuals is driven by their (largely correct) belief that education drives the young away from fundamentalist religion and close-minded politics. Whereas for the Cheney's and Addington's of the world this is about personal resentment, and the Rove's of the world it's just about winning, for the Fundamentalists, this is a basic issue of their survival as a social entity.
 
2012-03-13 11:30:56 AM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: The internet is not ready

The internet is dead to me.

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YES
 
2012-03-13 11:31:35 AM

TV's Vinnie: I watched "Game Change" last night.

Ed Harris pulled off McCain spectacularly. You could almost feel his soul dying within him just as it did with McCain seeing all the crowds he was addressing turning into ugly-minded Aryan rally lynchmobs. I wonder what the "crazy-haired cat lady who thinks Obama is an Arab" must think about her now being a part of political History?


This.

I was wondering if they would include that event because it's one of the best freeze frame "look, right here, you can totally tell he just realized that he's released Frankenstein on the world' moments.
 
2012-03-13 11:32:19 AM

BMulligan: the_geek: Charisma is what wins elections, not politics or smarts. Clinton was charisma-incarnate. Bush had more charisma in his pinky than Gore did.. same with Kerry. Obama vs McCain? Not even a chance. That's why I think Obama will win again, the Republican side doesn't have a charismatic figurehead at the moment.

I heard some pundit once hypothesize that she could tell with almost perfect accuracy whether a sitting president would be re-elected simply by asking whether it looked like he was enjoying the job. Reagan, Clinton, Bush II - all of them looked like they were having a blast. Carter, Ford, Bush I all of them looked miserable. The only outlier was Nixon, who always looked miserable.


www.11alive.com

He's having a blast.
 
2012-03-13 11:33:15 AM

Geotpf: 9 penguins in my shirt: It is an interesting question, actually. Just when did being stupid become a point of pride in this country?

I actually disagree with the concept that anti-intellectualism is new in America. For instance, there was a political movement in the 19th Century called the "Know Nothings" (although they were more anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant than purely anti-intellectual). Lots of Americans have wanted to trust religion over logic for a very long time, especially when the two conflict (evolution, for instance).


It stretches to before even then actually. You should give The Age of American Unreason a read.
 
2012-03-13 11:35:30 AM

Headso: Just saying we don't need to resign ourselves to the idea that political discourse has to return to idiocy.


I agree. Statements about how it's the worst ever don't help that along.

We have to stop being willing to sling mud because someone else does.

/You first;)
 
2012-03-13 11:37:56 AM

s2s2s2: Headso: Just saying we don't need to resign ourselves to the idea that political discourse has to return to idiocy.

I agree. Statements about how it's the worst ever don't help that along.

We have to stop being willing to sling mud because someone else does.

/You first;)


But flaming people intemperately is, like, the 3rd reason the internet exists :(
 
2012-03-13 11:40:41 AM

Serious Black: Geotpf: 9 penguins in my shirt: It is an interesting question, actually. Just when did being stupid become a point of pride in this country?

I actually disagree with the concept that anti-intellectualism is new in America. For instance, there was a political movement in the 19th Century called the "Know Nothings" (although they were more anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant than purely anti-intellectual). Lots of Americans have wanted to trust religion over logic for a very long time, especially when the two conflict (evolution, for instance).

It stretches to before even then actually. You should give The Age of American Unreason a read.


Exactly. This is why I find reading history so comforting - it's a reminder that none of the ridiculous shiat we deal with is in any way new. As a friend of mine used to say, "The world situation is desperate, as usual."
 
2012-03-13 11:40:46 AM

Bag of Hammers: I was wondering if they would include that event because it's one of the best freeze frame "look, right here, you can totally tell he just realized that he's released Frankenstein on the world' moments.


Oh man, was that actually in the movie? I really wanna see this thing. Is there a way to watch it without signing up for a cable TV service with HBO, then waiting for a rerun?
 
2012-03-13 11:43:43 AM
How can one be deliberately ignorant when one reads all the newspapers?
 
2012-03-13 11:44:00 AM
I've always believed that people who rise to the top of a state's government are an example of that state's best and brightest. If i were an Alaskan I would be asking other Alaskans "is this the best we have to offer?"
 
2012-03-13 11:44:53 AM
Anyone here see the HBO film Game Change?

I started to kind of feel bad for her. She couldn't get away from the media spotlight and was held hostage until the end of the campaign....

But then I remember she terrorized the media with her presence every day from the time after Obama's inauguration til when she announced she wouldn't run.

HBO was too nice about her situation.
 
2012-03-13 11:48:02 AM

9 penguins in my shirt: It is an interesting question, actually. Just when did being stupid become a point of pride in this country?


Not so much stupid as ignorant and upset that other people aren't. Or as my business partner calls it: Indignorance. But stupid works, too.
 
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