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(CBC)   Canada introduces mandatory prison terms for people "selling" marijuana in another move of "copy our southern neighbor's failing policy"   (cbc.ca) divider line 384
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2012-03-12 10:39:20 PM
Next step Canada -- privatize your prisons.
 
2012-03-12 10:40:13 PM

Mavent: Given how badly our Pot policies are "failing", I have to wonder why Potheads are so upset about them.

Potheads can suck my sphincter. Grow the hell up already, like the rest of us did.


i guess you hate freedom. i hope they dont go after something you like.

first they came for the pot heads, and i did nothing,cause i didnt smoke...etc

fark your narrow view, idiot.
 
2012-03-12 10:40:48 PM

runwiz: Next step Canada -- privatize your prisons.


They have to build them with public money first...
 
2012-03-12 10:42:22 PM

runwiz: Next step Canada -- privatize your prisons.



For-profit prisons are very profitable when you have a corrupted, compromised government that feeds it full of fresh souls.

Its a growth industry. A great way to attain slave labor within a 21st century industrialized nation.
 
2012-03-12 10:43:56 PM

SageC: "Never mind the marijuana... "Ok, we found THIS MOUSE in a bottle of Elsinore Beer that we bought at your beer store, right... and we heard, like, when that happens, you get your beer free, eh?"
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I'm suprised that movie isn't quoted more often around here.
 
2012-03-12 10:44:42 PM
One more thing I'd like to add about Harper and his blind hockey mom/frightened senior followers is they seem to think George Dubya is still in office and that their authoritarian ball licking still counts.

The looks on their faces when they find out a ni*BONG* is POTUS should be priceless.
 
2012-03-12 10:45:02 PM
Canada? WTF dudes? You never had a "Reagan" as a Prime Minister, so why the deuce are you guys getting all right-wingy up there? Canada was supposed to be the "control group" of a N. American nation that DIDN'T get taken over by fundies and fascists.
 
2012-03-12 10:46:45 PM

BKITU: davidphogan: What happened to you, Canada? You used to be cool.

Came here to post this, verbatim.


This. Can't their government see how farked up things are here?
 
2012-03-12 10:47:31 PM

Sabyen91: gh0strid3r: hmm...

break the law -> go to jail

How is this surprising?

Go get caught speeding.

/What, you are breaking the law.


You completely missed my point.
 
2012-03-12 10:47:46 PM

TV's Vinnie: Canada? WTF dudes? You never had a "Reagan" as a Prime Minister, so why the deuce are you guys getting all right-wingy up there? Canada was supposed to be the "control group" of a N. American nation that DIDN'T get taken over by fundies and fascists.


Because the "right" merged into one party while the "left" vote is split between 4 different parties. The conservatives are basically forcing us into a 2 party system like our neighbours to the south. And we all know how happy Americans are about their current system.
 
2012-03-12 10:48:16 PM

TV's Vinnie: Canada? WTF dudes? You never had a "Reagan" as a Prime Minister, so why the deuce are you guys getting all right-wingy up there? Canada was supposed to be the "control group" of a N. American nation that DIDN'T get taken over by fundies and fascists.


Most Canadians vote for progressive parties. Problem is there are 3 on the left and only 1 on the right. That's the only reason the cons are in.

Judges and police boards are going to support the people on this just like they've always supported the people on pot laws.
 
2012-03-12 10:48:41 PM

TV's Vinnie: Canada? WTF dudes? You never had a "Reagan" as a Prime Minister, so why the deuce are you guys getting all right-wingy up there? Canada was supposed to be the "control group" of a N. American nation that DIDN'T get taken over by fundies and fascists.


There are many many things wrong with that comment from a historical, socioeconomic, medical science, political, blah blah blah perspective so Imma gonna just say one word.

Mulroney.
 
2012-03-12 10:50:04 PM
another victory for the legal, prison, booze and pharma lobbies?
 
2012-03-12 10:51:23 PM
Can't their government see how farked up things are here

It's hard to see across the border with their heads lodged firmly up their own rectums.
 
2012-03-12 10:52:52 PM

TV's Vinnie: Canada? WTF dudes? You never had a "Reagan" as a Prime Minister, so why the deuce are you guys getting all right-wingy up there? Canada was supposed to be the "control group" of a N. American nation that DIDN'T get taken over by fundies and fascists.


We had a very real chance of kicking these conservitards out on our most recent election.
It got close (be basically destroying all left wing parties to create one really big one)
Then shortly after the election the leader of the party that died :-( (he got my vote)

Jack Layton (new window)

The wolves smell blood and are feasting now.

May their gods bless them

// eh
 
2012-03-12 10:53:39 PM

gh0strid3r: Sabyen91: gh0strid3r: hmm...

break the law -> go to jail

How is this surprising?

Go get caught speeding.

/What, you are breaking the law.

You completely missed my point.


Nope, not at all. "It's the law" is not a defense for stupid laws.
 
2012-03-12 10:54:46 PM
Oh Canada
 
2012-03-12 10:59:30 PM

gh0strid3r: Sabyen91: gh0strid3r: hmm...

break the law -> go to jail

How is this surprising?

Go get caught speeding.

/What, you are breaking the law.

You completely missed my point.



Your point wasn't exactly well made.

Canada has been going the opposite direction, towards legalization. Harsher penalties are ridiculous.
 
2012-03-12 10:59:42 PM
I guess actually reading the law miht help people understand that its. good thing

Clauses 32-33, 39-48, and 50-51 of Part 2 of Bill C-10 seek to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act 1 (CDSA) to provide for minimum penalties for serious drug offences, such as dealing drugs for organized crime purposes or using a weapon or violence when involved in proscribed drug-related activities. Currently, there are no mandatory minimum penalties under the CDSA. These clauses also increase the maximum penalty for cannabis (marijuana) production and move certain substances from Schedule III of the Act to Schedule I.

The bill contains an exception that allows courts not to impose a mandatory sentence if an offender successfully completes a Drug Treatment Court (DTC) program or a treatment program which, as set out in section 720(2) of the Criminal Code, is approved by a province and is under the supervision of a court. These programs are designed to assist certain individuals who are charged with drug-related offences (should they meet certain eligibility criteria) to overcome their drug addictions and avoid future conflict with the law. The DTC program involves a mix of judicial supervision, social services support, incentives for refraining from drug use, and sanctions for failure to comply with the orders of the court.
thevdrug only part
http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/LegislativeSummaries/bills_ls. a sp?ls=c10-04&Parl=41&Ses=1&source=library_prb&Language=E

the bill with all amended laws

http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/LegislativeSummaries/bills_ls. a sp?Language=E&ls=C10&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=1&source=library_prb


basically the bill is taking away the MASSIVE chunk of left leaning super lenient judges and appointed committes abilty to let criminals walk with a slap on the wrist, or apply for and recieve pardons with little effort
 
2012-03-12 10:59:58 PM
Anytime a government creates a crime where there is none, I weep. Oh, how the tears flow. If only in my lifetime I could witness such profound progress that scatters across the globe. It's just not meant to be.
 
2012-03-12 11:00:18 PM

here to help: Why anyone bothers responding to Mavent, skinnyhead, thunderpipes and the like is completely beyond me.

Consistently boring, inflammatory, unfunny garbage.


There are times, when I just can't help myself in taking the trollbait of these people. Why can't the modmins just block the IP addresses of these corksuckers...Not a fan of censorship in the slightest, it just seems lately Fark has been flooded with these assclowns...
 
2012-03-12 11:01:32 PM

Hale-Bopp: Anytime a government creates a crime where there is none, I weep. Oh, how the tears flow. If only in my lifetime I could witness such profound progress that scatters across the globe. It's just not meant to be.


Baby Jesus dies every time you smoke a joint.
 
2012-03-12 11:03:19 PM
I seriousl doubt most of you would understand just how seriously assfarkingly retardedly lenient our sysyem is. Rape someone? oh you poor dear you were drunk.. 6 month suspended...kill someone..oh noes you were drunk and are native. two years for you... its pathetic
 
2012-03-12 11:03:26 PM
Boy, it sure was a great idea to give Harper that majority instead of getting rid of his corrupt shiathole of an administration, you stupid farks.
 
2012-03-12 11:03:28 PM

Sabyen91: Hale-Bopp: Anytime a government creates a crime where there is none, I weep. Oh, how the tears flow. If only in my lifetime I could witness such profound progress that scatters across the globe. It's just not meant to be.

Baby Jesus dies every time you smoke a joint.


So I've heard... *puff*
 
2012-03-12 11:03:52 PM
What if they're just giving it away?
 
2012-03-12 11:04:01 PM

Sabyen91: gh0strid3r: Sabyen91: gh0strid3r: hmm...

break the law -> go to jail

How is this surprising?

Go get caught speeding.

/What, you are breaking the law.

You completely missed my point.

Nope, not at all. "It's the law" is not a defense for stupid laws.


And a law being stupid is not a defense for breaking it. My statement had nothing to do with the degree of the punishment or whether it's fair.

My point was... people get all upset whenever they hear about ANY type of punishment for breaking drug laws involving marijuana. Well, if you break the law and get caught, don't be surprised if you get punished. It doesn't matter if you agree with a law or not, you don't get to choose which ones you obey. I don't think the intersection at the end of my block should be a 4-way stop, but I don't get to run the stop sign just because I don't agree with it. If you don't agree with a law, work to get it changed. Don't just ignore it and get upset with the way it's enforced.
 
2012-03-12 11:04:27 PM

kvinesknows: I seriousl doubt most of you would understand just how seriously assfarkingly retardedly lenient our sysyem is. Rape someone? oh you poor dear you were drunk.. 6 month suspended...kill someone..oh noes you were drunk and are native. two years for you... its pathetic


Bullshiat. Another stupid, lying fark of a Tory voter. What's pathetic is that you believe that nonsense.
 
2012-03-12 11:04:39 PM

I should be in the kitchen: BKITU: davidphogan: What happened to you, Canada? You used to be cool.

Came here to post this, verbatim.

This. Can't their government see how farked up things are here?


Obviously.

davidphogan: Holy crap. Between this thread and the Ron Paul loving Birther I just talked to at a bar, I've lost all faith in mammals.


That discussion went something like:

Me: "So Obama time traveled to plant birth announcements in the local papers?
Him: "No, they were already planning it."
"So in the 1950's someone was already planning for the 2008 presidential election, but they couldn't derail Bush?"
"Well, he had to happen to let an African get elected."
"Who said he was born in Africa?"
"There's a lawsuit that hasn't been thrown out that says he was."
"I thought you didn't trust the federal government."
"I don't."
"So why do you believe them this time?"
"Because I don't believe an African."

face-bar.
 
2012-03-12 11:05:42 PM

kvinesknows: I guess actually reading the law miht help people understand that its. good thing


If you're a fan of mandatory sentences, you should know that the people they help the most are the people who run prisons. If your goal is to ensure that prison occupancy remains high, then, by all means, you should campaign for even more mandatory sentences for even more offences. Let's remove the discretion of the judge entirely. Hell, let's just get rid of judges altogether. 94% of criminal defendants are convicted anyway.
 
2012-03-12 11:06:43 PM

Slartibartfaster: TV's Vinnie: Canada? WTF dudes? You never had a "Reagan" as a Prime Minister, so why the deuce are you guys getting all right-wingy up there? Canada was supposed to be the "control group" of a N. American nation that DIDN'T get taken over by fundies and fascists.

We had a very real chance of kicking these conservitards out on our most recent election.
It got close (be basically destroying all left wing parties to create one really big one)
Then shortly after the election the leader of the party that died :-( (he got my vote)

Jack Layton (new window)

The wolves smell blood and are feasting now.

May their gods bless them

// eh


I miss Jack. I was sad that I'd been out of the country too long to vote last time around.
 
2012-03-12 11:06:52 PM

scalpod: What if they're just giving it away?


I don't know how it is in Canadia, but in the US, they call that "distribution" and it carries the same or similar penalties to selling.
 
2012-03-12 11:07:47 PM

kvinesknows: I seriousl doubt most of you would understand just how seriously assfarkingly retardedly lenient our sysyem is. Rape someone? oh you poor dear you were drunk.. 6 month suspended...kill someone..oh noes you were drunk and are native. two years for you... its pathetic


I am not a Canadian but I bet you are a lying sack of shiat.
 
2012-03-12 11:08:34 PM
Going nowhere? Tired of that dead-end job? Now is a great time to begin a career in the growing field of criminal justice. Our operators are standing by now...
 
2012-03-12 11:08:42 PM

gh0strid3r: And a law being stupid is not a defense for breaking it.


It actually is. It is called civil disobedience and it is a real way to get bad laws overturned.
 
2012-03-12 11:09:06 PM

untaken_name: scalpod: What if they're just giving it away?

I don't know how it is in Canadia, but in the US, they call that "distribution" and it carries the same or similar penalties to selling.


For some reason I have you favorite'd as "First you get the blood, then you get the power, then you get the women." For some reason that applies to this thread, as well.
 
2012-03-12 11:09:15 PM

Sabyen91: kvinesknows: I seriousl doubt most of you would understand just how seriously assfarkingly retardedly lenient our sysyem is. Rape someone? oh you poor dear you were drunk.. 6 month suspended...kill someone..oh noes you were drunk and are native. two years for you... its pathetic

I am not a Canadian but I bet you are a lying sack of shiat.


He/she/it/they is.
 
2012-03-12 11:09:17 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: kvinesknows: I seriousl doubt most of you would understand just how seriously assfarkingly retardedly lenient our sysyem is. Rape someone? oh you poor dear you were drunk.. 6 month suspended...kill someone..oh noes you were drunk and are native. two years for you... its pathetic

Bullshiat. Another stupid, lying fark of a Tory voter. What's pathetic is that you believe that nonsense.


wow you can read my statement yet you cant read daily papers that show I am right huh?
 
2012-03-12 11:09:24 PM

Hale-Bopp: Sabyen91: Hale-Bopp: Anytime a government creates a crime where there is none, I weep. Oh, how the tears flow. If only in my lifetime I could witness such profound progress that scatters across the globe. It's just not meant to be.

Baby Jesus dies every time you smoke a joint.

So I've heard... *puff*


I am gonna come at you like a spider monkey.
 
2012-03-12 11:09:26 PM

TV's Vinnie: Canada? WTF dudes? You never had a "Reagan" as a Prime Minister, so why the deuce are you guys getting all right-wingy up there? Canada was supposed to be the "control group" of a N. American nation that DIDN'T get taken over by fundies and fascists.


Meh. Just look to Mexico to see how loose drug policies work out.
 
2012-03-12 11:09:44 PM
Didn't Harper get elected on the promise that he would pass this?
 
2012-03-12 11:09:55 PM
Hear me out on this. Stoners hate working. They are lazy unproductive moochers right? So why not punish them with community service? Their munchy related skills could be used at the soup kitchen.
 
2012-03-12 11:10:11 PM

kvinesknows: I seriousl doubt most of you would understand just how seriously assfarkingly retardedly lenient our sysyem is. Rape someone? oh you poor dear you were drunk.. 6 month suspended...kill someone..oh noes you were drunk and are native. two years for you... its pathetic


Nice cherry picking. I'll assume you get all your news and political information from an old, illiterate relative.
 
2012-03-12 11:10:18 PM
They need to fill all those jails they just ordered.

/wonder which Tory ministers have ties to that company?
 
2012-03-12 11:10:28 PM

Sabyen91: kvinesknows: I seriousl doubt most of you would understand just how seriously assfarkingly retardedly lenient our sysyem is. Rape someone? oh you poor dear you were drunk.. 6 month suspended...kill someone..oh noes you were drunk and are native. two years for you... its pathetic

I am not a Canadian but I bet you are a lying sack of shiat.


I truly do wish that were true
 
2012-03-12 11:10:52 PM

Sabyen91: gh0strid3r: And a law being stupid is not a defense for breaking it.

It actually is. It is called civil disobedience and it is a real way to get bad laws overturned.


That's not what civil disobedience is. Civil disobedience is a lack of response to a legal mandate. It is not actively participating in illegal activity.
 
2012-03-12 11:11:31 PM

kvinesknows: basically the bill is taking away the MASSIVE chunk of left leaning super lenient judges and appointed committes abilty to let criminals walk with a slap on the wrist, or apply for and recieve pardons with little effort


The wording is vague and essentially means when taken verbatim passing a joint to your buddy constitutes trafficking. When this is pointed out they just say "We're only going after organized crime!!".

Well if that was the case they could have used specific terminology to accomplish that goal. Instead they are casting a giant net and saying they'll sort it out after people have been stuffed into the system.

Also because they crammed it onto a bill that involves harsher sentences for pedos any criticism is "What?! You WANT PEDOS and MOBSTERS to go free?!!"

Just like riders in the American system this type of mashing issues together should be abolished in Canada and all forward thinking 1st world countries.

Well every country actually but let's focus on the ones that have some hope and means of being responsible and rational nations first.

I think we need to start calling people like this "regressives" instead of "conservatives". They don't want status quo. They want to return to the dark ages.
 
2012-03-12 11:12:00 PM

kvinesknows: A Dark Evil Omen: kvinesknows: I seriousl doubt most of you would understand just how seriously assfarkingly retardedly lenient our sysyem is. Rape someone? oh you poor dear you were drunk.. 6 month suspended...kill someone..oh noes you were drunk and are native. two years for you... its pathetic

Bullshiat. Another stupid, lying fark of a Tory voter. What's pathetic is that you believe that nonsense.

wow you can read my statement yet you cant read daily papers that show I am right huh?


how about a citation on that chief? that is generally the proper etiquette when making retarded claims. i will wait.
 
2012-03-12 11:12:32 PM
Yknow perhaps it is just the intoxication but soon I will freely admit usage of trees despite being an elementary teacher. Everyone smokes. Not everyone is a judgmental asshole.
 
2012-03-12 11:12:44 PM
 
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