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(Uproxx)   "Hey, Mortimer, here's an idea -- why don't we turn all these homeless people into wi-fi hotspots? BRILLIANT"   (uproxx.com) divider line 59
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2012-03-12 02:38:25 PM
I think the dystopian angle for this is being played up a bit - after all, it's not like they're plugging the hotspot into people's brainstems and using their blood as an evil techno-fuel. People who need money are being paid to provide a service that Austin is going to temporarily need more of. If it was college students wearing T-shirts and walking around with a mobile wi-fi device, what would be the problem?

*This statement is predicated entirely on the idea that these people are being paid fairly to do this. If they are having their desperation and/or mental health problems taken advantage of, the equation changes substantially.
 
2012-03-12 03:39:18 PM
Potato salad!

/the government
 
2012-03-12 03:40:57 PM
How many "hotspots" will simply walk off with the device?
 
2012-03-12 03:46:07 PM
Do you know how many viruses homeless people carry?
 
2012-03-12 03:46:35 PM
palelizard: Do you know how many viruses homeless people carry?

7?
 
2012-03-12 03:59:55 PM
Another problem for a city hosting such an event is what to do about eyesores like dirty, worthless homeless people when all the big sh*t tech folk fly in from places like New York and San Francisco?

Thank God, somebody finally just came out and said it.
 
2012-03-12 04:02:07 PM
Humean_Nature: I think the dystopian angle for this is being played up a bit - after all, it's not like they're plugging the hotspot into people's brainstems and using their blood as an evil techno-fuel. People who need money are being paid to provide a service that Austin is going to temporarily need more of. If it was college students wearing T-shirts and walking around with a mobile wi-fi device, what would be the problem?

*This statement is predicated entirely on the idea that these people are being paid fairly to do this. If they are having their desperation and/or mental health problems taken advantage of, the equation changes substantially.


This. You mean to say that for a short period of time, these people with little or no income will have the opportunity to make a few bucks legitimately? THE HORROR!! Hell, the company will probably most likely clean them up, give them some clean clothing, and probably some food. The fact that anyone has a problem with this is sad.

/I'm with you on the "these people had better be being paid" part
 
2012-03-12 04:03:16 PM
32oz High Life: Another problem for a city hosting such an event is what to do about eyesores like dirty, worthless homeless people when all the big sh*t tech folk fly in from places like New York and San Francisco?

Thank God, somebody finally just came out and said it.


Flying in from San Francisco and New York they're pretty much used to it.
 
2012-03-12 04:04:08 PM
I prefer this to paying them to fight on camera...
 
2012-03-12 04:09:27 PM
The homeless will soon be responsible for 90% of pirated movies and music.
 
2012-03-12 04:12:58 PM
Humean_Nature: I think the dystopian angle for this is being played up a bit - after all, it's not like they're plugging the hotspot into people's brainstems and using their blood as an evil techno-fuel. People who need money are being paid to provide a service that Austin is going to temporarily need more of. If it was college students wearing T-shirts and walking around with a mobile wi-fi device, what would be the problem?

*This statement is predicated entirely on the idea that these people are being paid fairly to do this. If they are having their desperation and/or mental health problems taken advantage of, the equation changes substantially.


The odds of a company taking financial advantage of a desperate social group with little legal acumen are slim to none, especially in America.
 
2012-03-12 04:21:39 PM
devildog123: Humean_Nature: I think the dystopian angle for this is being played up a bit - after all, it's not like they're plugging the hotspot into people's brainstems and using their blood as an evil techno-fuel. People who need money are being paid to provide a service that Austin is going to temporarily need more of. If it was college students wearing T-shirts and walking around with a mobile wi-fi device, what would be the problem?

*This statement is predicated entirely on the idea that these people are being paid fairly to do this. If they are having their desperation and/or mental health problems taken advantage of, the equation changes substantially.

This. You mean to say that for a short period of time, these people with little or no income will have the opportunity to make a few bucks legitimately? THE HORROR!! Hell, the company will probably most likely clean them up, give them some clean clothing, and probably some food. The fact that anyone has a problem with this is sad.

/I'm with you on the "these people had better be being paid" part


Both of these...

However, I'm curious as to what the unintended consequences of this will be and if they've considered handling them. People beating them for the hotspot, for their money, unreliability of those not mentally there, the "house"less folk running off with the hardware, etc.
 
2012-03-12 04:30:19 PM
WhoGAS: However, I'm curious as to what the unintended consequences of this will be and if they've considered handling them. People beating them for the hotspot, for their money, unreliability of those not mentally there, the "house"less folk running off with the hardware, etc.

They have profiles of the people on their web site. I assume that they did some type of screening/background check to weed out the most likely problems.
 
2012-03-12 04:34:03 PM
Contrabulous Flabtraption: How many "hotspots" will simply walk off with the device?

probably not as many as you think.
 
2012-03-12 04:34:26 PM
Homeless people are not worthless. Many of them are temporarily inconvenienced, and thus inconvenient, but will eventually become respectable welfare cases or employed as working poor, medical stiffs, etc. As long as they have a car or a van down by the river, they aren't even homeless, necessarily. A lot of the homeless are couch-surfing hipsters with expensive toys, educations and tastes. Well, some of the homeless may be worthless, but not literally, just figuratively.

I've read many stories of homeless people, some of whom were brilliant artists (and alcoholics), poets (and schizophrenics), normal people (who lost their jobs and their homes through no fault of their own), hipsters, young people getting a hard start in life, old people coming to a hard end in life, widows whose husbands died without telling them where they hid the heist money, etc.

If nothing else, homeless people can be recycled to make Soylent Green, or, if you can't process them because they have Hepatitis or something, prefectly good fertilizer. America is, as Ambroise Bierce pointed out, founded on the backs of many peoples who encumbered the land before The Man arrived, and now fertilize it.

No human being is worthless. True, if you reduce to them to theirs elements, they are only worth a few dollars at most, but if you reduce them to valuable biological chemicals such as hormones, they can be worth millions. Just think of how much some of the medical treatments cost per dose. Human beings are MADE of those chemicals. They may only have a few ounces or a few micrograms of any particular chemical, but thoroughly processed into organs to keep the rich young and healthy, and chemicals to help the well-insured portion of the middle classes, the homeless are one of our richest and most widely available natural resources.

They're not just people--they are assets. Valuable, delicious assets for the rest of us predators, scavengers, parasites and browers to consume and then spit out the bones and other indigestible bits, such as their neediness, innocence, helplessness, insanity, unpleasantness, etc.

Just as long as they aren't contagious (and poverty is well known to be contagious, at least, slightly) they are a useful and necessary part of society. They are the part we don't feel obliged to pay for, unlike the super rich, the rich, the well-to-do, and the talented.
 
2012-03-12 04:36:26 PM
On Saturday a homeless guy told me he "was chillin' with Bruce Lee all day." He went on to scream at the "guy" down the street that had been following him all day and finished it off by plunging into traffic to go talk with the local police.

This may not work out well.
 
2012-03-12 04:37:58 PM
But seriously, every time I walk past certain outlets in the Mall (they have to plug the floor cleaners in somewhere), there is an encampment of homeless people there on their laptops. They may already have turned themselves into WiFi outspots if they are as stupid about security as most of us, or as people think the homeless are. I have never had my laptop or netbook with me in the Mall, but perhaps some day I can risk it and see who the Hell these people are and what kind of pron they are looking at in between job searches.
 
2012-03-12 04:39:35 PM
I think we should use the homeless to pull rickshaws.
 
2012-03-12 04:39:52 PM
devildog123: 32oz High Life: Another problem for a city hosting such an event is what to do about eyesores like dirty, worthless homeless people when all the big sh*t tech folk fly in from places like New York and San Francisco?

Thank God, somebody finally just came out and said it.

Flying in from San Francisco and New York they're pretty much used to it.


All this. Austin cannot possibly have dirtier homeless people than SF.
 
2012-03-12 04:40:37 PM
The Itineranet?
 
2012-03-12 04:45:00 PM
It's a series of cardboard tubes.
 
2012-03-12 04:46:08 PM
So what happens if the homeless guy at my corner decides to amble away to the shelter? Wi-fi has a limited range.
 
2012-03-12 04:47:44 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: devildog123: 32oz High Life: Another problem for a city hosting such an event is what to do about eyesores like dirty, worthless homeless people when all the big sh*t tech folk fly in from places like New York and San Francisco?

Thank God, somebody finally just came out and said it.

Flying in from San Francisco and New York they're pretty much used to it.

All this. Austin cannot possibly have dirtier homeless people than SF.


From my understanding the homeless down here (Austin) are no where near as bad as SF. They are considerably worse more numerous and pushier than Dallas/Ft. Worth thou. The way I hear it the bums in SF are the worst in the country.

It was a shellshock moving down here thou. The motherfu(kers are everywhere. I had one knock on my door pushing a story about trying to raise money for some unnamed person who had just died. My girlfriend had to start taking pepperspray and a tazer to the bus stop when the homeless start screaming at her for not bumming them a smoke.

As far as the SXSW may as well give them something to do. They have plenty of oppertunitys to make money. Organizers are also letting them drive the bike taxi's and let them keep all the tips.
 
2012-03-12 05:01:03 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: Austin cannot possibly have dirtier homeless people than SF.

Through the process of natural selection, Austin's homeless have evolved to have "personality" and "charm." Which, while endearing them to particular segments of Austinites and the UT students who feed them and helping to keep Austin weird, actually make them much more annoying than regular old bums who lie passed out on stoops and shut the fark up.
 
2012-03-12 05:09:36 PM
My, uh wtf? reaction comes from the way this has been marketed. 'Turning homeless people into hotspots' is a pr line just begging for controversy. They've got it, and for this I'm going with no publicity is bad publicity.

However, if any of the homeless people participating are being exploited, then I question the overall ethics. Even if it does some good.
 
2012-03-12 05:14:26 PM
www.bbc.co.uk
 
2012-03-12 05:34:50 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: devildog123: 32oz High Life: Another problem for a city hosting such an event is what to do about eyesores like dirty, worthless homeless people when all the big sh*t tech folk fly in from places like New York and San Francisco?

Thank God, somebody finally just came out and said it.

Flying in from San Francisco and New York they're pretty much used to it.

All this. Austin cannot possibly have dirtier homeless people than SF.


Dirty, yes, but surprisingly courteous. I was just in SF for GDC. One homeless guy even apologized when I saw him peeing on a tree.
 
2012-03-12 06:11:53 PM
Can't we force them to work at the iPhone assembly line or something?
 
2012-03-12 06:12:59 PM
"Hey, kid! I'm a computer! Stop all the downloadin'!"
 
2012-03-12 06:34:44 PM
If they refuse to get jobs may as well find SOME use for them
 
2012-03-12 06:35:19 PM
brantgoose: Homeless people are not worthless.

Someone hasn't been to Austin, or they were too busy at midtowne spa to notice
.
Glad leslie died, now Austin can pass the EPA air quality standards.
 
2012-03-12 06:36:35 PM
Sorry, but I don't pull out my wallet or expensive technology in front of a homeless person. And I ignore them whether they are asking for change, booze, or advertising their new mobile hotspot.
 
2012-03-12 06:43:48 PM
xaveth: Can't we force them to work at the iPhone assembly line or something?

That might make them misunderstand their place in society.
 
2012-03-12 06:54:37 PM
Bums vs. Dogs

You pit bums against some pit bulls who have gone a round or two in dog fights .... just the bum, the dog, and a 12 foot deep pit, winner take all. If the bum manages to strangle the life out of the dog he wins $ 500.00
 
2012-03-12 06:56:30 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: devildog123: 32oz High Life: Another problem for a city hosting such an event is what to do about eyesores like dirty, worthless homeless people when all the big sh*t tech folk fly in from places like New York and San Francisco?

Thank God, somebody finally just came out and said it.

Flying in from San Francisco and New York they're pretty much used to it.

All this. Austin cannot possibly have dirtier homeless people than SF.


Came in here to say the same thing.

CheetahOlivetti: Dirty, yes, but surprisingly courteous. I was just in SF for GDC. One homeless guy even apologized when I saw him peeing on a tree.

As a SF resident, I will say that's more of an outlier than the norm, unfortunately. The homeless, and more in general "street behavior" are huge issues that are at the forefront of the minds of a lot of people in the city (whether it be city hall or in the tourism industry). It caused SF to drop from the top spot in Conde Nast's "Top US Destinations" for the first time in 18 years. Not good.
 
2012-03-12 07:08:02 PM
TravisBickle62: Bums vs. Dogs

You pit bums against some pit bulls who have gone a round or two in dog fights .... just the bum, the dog, and a 12 foot deep pit, winner take all. If the bum manages to strangle the life out of the dog he wins $ 500.00


I think you're on to something, but you make it a multi-stage elimination show and you market it as a reality TV program with the final winner taking home a cool $1m.

/Bumdog Millionaire
 
2012-03-12 07:22:20 PM

Semi-Gargoyles?


www.cyberpunkreview.com

 
2012-03-12 07:45:19 PM
WAIT!

I have a better idea..

s7.postimage.org
 
2012-03-12 07:53:33 PM
TravisBickle62: Bums vs. Dogs

You pit bums against some pit bulls who have gone a round or two in dog fights .... just the bum, the dog, and a 12 foot deep pit, winner take all. If the bum manages to strangle the life out of the dog he wins $ 500.00


What is wrong with you?
 
2012-03-12 07:54:42 PM
Humean_Nature:
*This statement is predicated entirely on the idea that these people are being paid fairly to do this. If they are having their desperation and/or mental health problems taken advantage of, the equation changes substantially.


On the assumption they aren't being taken advantage of.

imokwiththis.jpg

It is less soul destroying than a hand out.
 
2012-03-12 08:13:25 PM
babygoat: TravisBickle62: Bums vs. Dogs

You pit bums against some pit bulls who have gone a round or two in dog fights .... just the bum, the dog, and a 12 foot deep pit, winner take all. If the bum manages to strangle the life out of the dog he wins $ 500.00

What is wrong with you?


New money. I'd only give the bum a $20.
 
2012-03-12 08:43:20 PM
UsikFark: babygoat: TravisBickle62: Bums vs. Dogs

You pit bums against some pit bulls who have gone a round or two in dog fights .... just the bum, the dog, and a 12 foot deep pit, winner take all. If the bum manages to strangle the life out of the dog he wins $ 500.00

What is wrong with you?

New money. I'd only give the bum a $20.


Softy. I'd let the bum keep the dead dog.
 
2012-03-12 08:46:00 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: devildog123: 32oz High Life: Another problem for a city hosting such an event is what to do about eyesores like dirty, worthless homeless people when all the big sh*t tech folk fly in from places like New York and San Francisco?

Thank God, somebody finally just came out and said it.

Flying in from San Francisco and New York they're pretty much used to it.

All this. Austin cannot possibly have dirtier homeless people than SF.


As a person from the "simple, poor, uneducated" Midwest, I've never seen more homeless people in my life than when I was in San Fran. Not in New York, not in Chicago, not in St. Louis, not in Kansas City. It was ridiculous. For as much money as is generated in NorCal, you think they could get some of the people walking around SF some help.
 
2012-03-12 08:54:02 PM
Marine1: The_Six_Fingered_Man: devildog123: 32oz High Life: Another problem for a city hosting such an event is what to do about eyesores like dirty, worthless homeless people when all the big sh*t tech folk fly in from places like New York and San Francisco?

Thank God, somebody finally just came out and said it.

Flying in from San Francisco and New York they're pretty much used to it.

All this. Austin cannot possibly have dirtier homeless people than SF.

As a person from the "simple, poor, uneducated" Midwest, I've never seen more homeless people in my life than when I was in San Fran. Not in New York, not in Chicago, not in St. Louis, not in Kansas City. It was ridiculous. For as much money as is generated in NorCal, you think they could get some of the people walking around SF some help.


The "money generated in NorCal" is all made in San Jose and south. None of it really makes it up to SF unless you are Twitter. There have been several outreach and assistance programs here in the City, but nothing that ever seems to last or make a dent in the situation.
 
2012-03-12 08:59:56 PM
The_Six_Fingered_Man: The "money generated in NorCal" is all made in San Jose and south. None of it really makes it up to SF unless you are Twitter. There have been several outreach and assistance programs here in the City, but nothing that ever seems to last or make a dent in the situation.

I assume you mean south of SF, not south of SJ? Otherwise Sunnyvale, Menlo Park, Palo Alto, and Mountain View would like to have words with you.
 
2012-03-12 09:13:16 PM
ProfessorOhki: The_Six_Fingered_Man: The "money generated in NorCal" is all made in San Jose and south. None of it really makes it up to SF unless you are Twitter. There have been several outreach and assistance programs here in the City, but nothing that ever seems to last or make a dent in the situation.

I assume you mean south of SF, not south of SJ? Otherwise Sunnyvale, Menlo Park, Palo Alto, and Mountain View would like to have words with you.


Yes, that's what I meant. But Yahoo, Facebook, and all those others can DIAF.
 
2012-03-12 11:24:23 PM
devildog123:

[...]
/I'm with you on the "these people had better be being paid" part


The article I read says they got a T-shirt with their name and "function" on it -- "Hi. I'm TheDavid and I'm a WiFi hotspot!" -- and were paid $20 for their shift, plus whatever tips they got. Not a bad gig while it lasts.

And not all homeless people smell bad, nor do most of those who do stink want to. If we had public showers (like Roman bath houses) where people could get cleaned up and wash their clothes (or swap them for clean ones) then strinkiness would be much less of a problem. And people would need to be hired to clean, maintain and supervise these places too. (I used to sneak into hotels to "steal" showers, myself.)

The showers could also contain small clinics where their medical needs could be assessed and treated, either by self-referral or report (e.g., "you might check out Herman over there, he just coughed up blood in the shower" or "the po-po rousted me last night for acting strange but they couldn't help me get my medication, it's a $4 generic but I need a new prescription").

And by the way, why might a homeless guy pee on a tree? Could it be that there's nowhere legal for a broke homeless person to urinate? And for that matter homeless people aren't the only ones who might need to take a leak; I see no reason why public rest rooms should be Bums Only.

I've been homeless several times in my many many moons, and still prefer their company to hipsters, yuppies and Goths. Or, I might add, people who see "The Homeless" as a source of problems but can't for the life of them imagine doing anything to fix them.

Sheesh.
 
2012-03-12 11:59:30 PM
This article is REALLY slanted.

FTFA: "Passersby can pay what they wish to get online via the 4G-to-Wi-Fi device that the person is carrying."

Correct, but what they leave out, is that the entire donation that the person using the wifi chooses to make, goes to the homeless person.

So for those of you who were wondering if these guys are getting paid, yes, they are. I have to imagine that providing wifi near SXSW could actually be a pretty good gig.
 
2012-03-13 01:00:46 AM
Brilliant!
 
2012-03-13 07:00:09 AM
Humean_Nature: I think the dystopian angle for this is being played up a bit - after all, it's not like they're plugging the hotspot into people's brainstems and using their blood as an evil techno-fuel.

they're not?

Pass.
 
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