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2012-03-12 02:22:54 PM
Apple's clout is coming under scrutiny as the U.S. Justice Department considers filing a lawsuit against the company and five U.S. publishers for an alleged scheme that has driven up the prices of electronic books since the 2010 release of the iPad.

The involved parties are trying to avoid a high-profile court battle by negotiating a settlement, according to The Wall Street Journal. The newspaper broke the news last week about the U.S. Justice Department's plans to allege that Apple Inc. and the publishers orchestrated the price-fixing scheme to thwart the e-book discounts offered by Amazon.com Inc.


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Collaborative price fixing is not a good thing.
 
2012-03-12 02:55:12 PM
Well they didn't become the worlds richest company with billions in cash reserves by lowering prices.... DUH....
 
jvl
2012-03-12 03:46:23 PM
Difficulty: This is really about book publishers engaging in collusion on the Apple Book Store, which currently makes up approximately 0% of the market.

But no doubt the guys who iHate it when people like something they iHate will be out in force in this thread.
 
2012-03-12 03:47:57 PM
I thought they would have done this years ago, they farked with MS for less.

Now it will be fun to see all the ifanbois try and defend them after screaming about how MS was guilty of the same thing.
 
2012-03-12 03:47:59 PM
They have $70+ billion dollars in their accounts.

Won't they just buy a new law permitting "Total IP control within a platform" you know, to protect the children and prevent piracy.
 
2012-03-12 03:51:41 PM

jvl: Difficulty: This is really about book publishers engaging in collusion on the Apple Book Store, which currently makes up approximately 0% of the market.

But no doubt the guys who iHate it when people like something they iHate will be out in force in this thread.


You do realize the market share is irrelevant, right? They are trying to sign people up to price fix since the e-book market makes up a miniscule part of book sales right now, its still around 3% or less but they are trying to stop amazon from being able to get the kinds of discounts they did on normal books that put most local and chains out of business.
 
jvl
2012-03-12 03:59:39 PM

steamingpile: You do realize the market share is irrelevant, right?


Yes. But again, this is really about the publishers, not Apple.
 
2012-03-12 04:01:49 PM

jvl: Difficulty: This is really about book publishers engaging in collusion on the Apple Book Store, which currently makes up approximately 0% of the market.

But no doubt the guys who iHate it when people like something they iHate will be out in force in this thread.


The fact that you are not outraged by the collaborative price fixing tells me that you are the one using emotion instead of logic.
 
2012-03-12 04:01:50 PM

steamingpile: I thought they would have done this years ago, they farked with MS for less.

Now it will be fun to see all the ifanbois try and defend them after screaming about how MS was guilty of the same thing.


eBook price fixing?

And you think PRO-apple people are annoying...
 
2012-03-12 04:02:45 PM

jvl: Yes. But again, this is really about the publishers, not Apple.


Huh. Sort of weird the DOJ would be investigating Apple for something someone else is doing, wouldn't you say? Can you explain that to me?
 
2012-03-12 04:04:00 PM
*sigh*

Looks like the publishing industry isn't learning from the RIAA/MPAA. HIgher volume at cheaper cost can be as good as low volume at high cost....
 
2012-03-12 04:12:54 PM

jvl: steamingpile: You do realize the market share is irrelevant, right?

Yes. But again, this is really about the publishers, not Apple.


Have you not read where apple had started signing up publishers in exclusive deals? Basically fixing the prices when its finally released to other vendors, so yes it is about apple and their trying to fix the market prices.
 
jvl
2012-03-12 04:29:06 PM

machodonkeywrestler: The fact that you are not outraged by the collaborative price fixing tells me that you are the one using emotion instead of logic.


Anyone who has even bought a hardback already knows there is no price competition.
 
2012-03-12 04:36:50 PM
This here is the crux of the issue at hand:

"... When Apple came along with iBooks, publishers were worried that the tech giant would take over the book industry the way it did the music industry with iTunes.

Apple then struck a deal with publishers in 2010, where they'd settle on an agency model instead. The agency model allowed publishers to set the price of the book and Apple would receive a 30 percent cut. However, publishers were not allowed to let rivals sell the same book for a lower price."


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Is this worthy of the DOJ looking into it? I'm not sure but Salman Rushdie isn't happy about it:
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2012-03-12 04:55:42 PM
What about Apple blocking apps and content in their store that competes with them or they simply don't like? Whose device is it anyway?
 
2012-03-12 04:57:46 PM

lohphat: What about Apple blocking apps and content in their store that competes with them or they simply don't like? Whose device is it anyway?


It may be your device but it's apple's store. They can block any app they want and that's as it should be. Why should they have to sell an app they don't want to sell?
 
2012-03-12 05:04:27 PM

JohnBigBootay: lohphat: What about Apple blocking apps and content in their store that competes with them or they simply don't like? Whose device is it anyway?

It may be your device but it's apple's store. They can block any app they want and that's as it should be. Why should they have to sell an app they don't want to sell?


How else can I get content they don't like on my device without violating some 42 page restrictive anti-trust EULA they continually update?

It's like buying a car but you can only get fuel from them too without voiding the warranty.

How is this not restriction of trade?
 
2012-03-12 05:33:12 PM

jvl: machodonkeywrestler: The fact that you are not outraged by the collaborative price fixing tells me that you are the one using emotion instead of logic.

Anyone who has even bought a hardback already knows there is no price competition.


There wasnt, until amazon came along and offered a steep discount and free shipping, they have basically put book stores out of business, apple recognized this and to scare customers off from buying a kindle or other reader they have struck up deals with publishers to maximize their profit while trying to cut others out of the business.

Basically they are trying an end around to shut down the other devices they know will cause them headaches later but of course apple supporters will say its a smoke screen just to attack apple when in reality its anti-competitive activity engage is by apple to force people to buy their device.

lohphat: What about Apple blocking apps and content in their store that competes with them or they simply don't like? Whose device is it anyway?


They cant now that the courts have said jailbreaking their device is legal.
 
2012-03-12 05:39:18 PM

steamingpile:
lohphat: What about Apple blocking apps and content in their store that competes with them or they simply don't like? Whose device is it anyway?

They cant now that the courts have said jailbreaking their device is legal.


It may be legal, but it may still be in violation of their EULA. Sure, jailbreak your device and get the app you want on your device, but don't expect to get content from the AppStore.

Some victory there.
 
2012-03-12 06:53:21 PM

JohnBigBootay: lohphat: What about Apple blocking apps and content in their store that competes with them or they simply don't like? Whose device is it anyway?

It may be your device but it's apple's store. They can block any app they want and that's as it should be. Why should they have to sell an app they don't want to sell?


Well, if they also hinder other means of obtaining apps, that's sort of textbook anti-trust behavior, for starters.

The counter argument is ALWAYS "why **shouldn't** the provider of the service have full control?". That's kind of the whole crux of the debate...
 
2012-03-12 06:53:23 PM
Demand is increasing on a resource that is virtually unlimited. Our ability to provide this resource is virtually unlimited. Ergo, the prices shall rise.

/NB: this mentality is by no means unique to Apple
//i blame both executives and marketing departments
 
2012-03-12 07:02:57 PM

steamingpile: lohphat: What about Apple blocking apps and content in their store that competes with them or they simply don't like? Whose device is it anyway?

They cant now that the courts have said jailbreaking their device is legal.


That's not far enough. They have to make the phone accept non-App Store apps without having to hack the GD thing. The product as sold is still setup to be anti-competitive.
 
2012-03-12 08:55:14 PM
MS got smacked just for bundling the browser, they didn't even attempt to ban other browsers from their platform. Apple has this coming hard.

One thing I don't get is the businesses and institutions that are adopting ipads for custom applications. Do they submit their software to the apple store for approval and then pay Apple to download their own software? Sounds like a huge hassle. Or do they jailbreak all of their units?
 
2012-03-12 09:19:48 PM

pnjunction: MS got smacked just for bundling the browser, they didn't even attempt to ban other browsers from their platform


They didn't have to, they used undocumented system calls to give their products a performance advantage. But the fact that it came bundled was a distribution mode that competitors had an unfair disadvantage, the real estate was already squatted by their products. The market share that wasn't savvy enough to install an alternative just used what came in the box -- then they made IE "part of the OS". They can, in theory, do that with *any* application.

So...MS is a monopoly but Apple is a triple-monopoly controlling the OS, the hardware it can run on, and in terms of iOS all the content that goes on it -- all for a 30% customer premium and a 30% gouge to any app revenue that is offered via the AppStore.

Yeah, that's MUCH better than Microsoft...

/eye roll
 
2012-03-12 09:27:42 PM
Man, It's like the whole universe was just waiting for Jobs to die before they could attack apple. He must have had the pictures from the orgy where every world leader and business leader gang-banged the pope on top of a pile of dead fifteen year olds.
 
2012-03-12 09:38:42 PM

steamingpile: I thought they would have done this years ago, they farked with MS for less..


No, MS did much much more, and without partners in crime. You'll also remember that in the end, they didn't do f*ck all to MS. Which is what will happen to Apple.

Next up: Google gets investigated for anti trust violations and nothing happens as a result.
 
2012-03-13 12:08:39 AM

Surool: steamingpile: I thought they would have done this years ago, they farked with MS for less..

No, MS did much much more, and without partners in crime. You'll also remember that in the end, they didn't do f*ck all to MS. Which is what will happen to Apple.

Next up: Google gets investigated for anti trust violations and nothing happens as a result.


Didn't MS get a record fine? Or was that Google?
 
2012-03-13 01:13:12 AM
They will pay off the board members and ignore the whole thing as it quietly goes away.
 
2012-03-13 02:28:32 AM

LoneWolf343: Surool: steamingpile: I thought they would have done this years ago, they farked with MS for less..

No, MS did much much more, and without partners in crime. You'll also remember that in the end, they didn't do f*ck all to MS. Which is what will happen to Apple.

Next up: Google gets investigated for anti trust violations and nothing happens as a result.

Didn't MS get a record fine? Or was that Google?


I am certain that they paid as quickly as Exxon pays its fines.
 
2012-03-13 03:04:02 AM

Theaetetus: Apple's clout is coming under scrutiny as the U.S. Justice Department considers filing a lawsuit against the company and five U.S. publishers for an alleged scheme that has driven up the prices of electronic books since the 2010 release of the iPad.

The involved parties are trying to avoid a high-profile court battle by negotiating a settlement, according to The Wall Street Journal. The newspaper broke the news last week about the U.S. Justice Department's plans to allege that Apple Inc. and the publishers orchestrated the price-fixing scheme to thwart the e-book discounts offered by Amazon.com Inc.

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Collaborative price fixing is not a good thing.


tell that to the oil industry, whom our 'government' lets gas prices rise because somebody wiped their ass the wrong way this morning.
 
2012-03-13 08:40:57 AM
If I can get my ebooks cheaper then I'm all for it. Price fixing is a horrible thing. If I can get a paperback in dead-tree format for less than I can get an ebook made up of ones and zero, then something is wrong here.

kptchris: Theaetetus: [snip]
Collaborative price fixing is not a good thing.

tell that to the oil industry, whom our 'government' lets gas prices rise because somebody wiped their ass the wrong way this morning.


It's amusing that you think the current administration has any say in the price of gasoline.

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2012-03-13 11:20:54 AM
eBooks are for poofs.
 
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