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2012-03-12 12:04:21 PM

keepitcherry: I never want to have kids. I'm happy being the cool uncle, you can keep em.


Amp em up, feed em sugar, then send em home.
 
GBB
2012-03-12 12:04:37 PM

greenboy: Yanks_RSJ: greenboy: Blame my brother-in-law who thought it would be a good idea to have destination wedding.

He had a destination wedding because he didn't want you or your kids to show up.

Good try. I'm best man, and my son is ring bearer. My b-i-l is just an idiot.


God damn him for wanting to have his special day where HE AND HIS WIFE wanted it. God damn him straight to hell.
 
2012-03-12 12:04:38 PM

aagrajag: Spanking, choking and "hitting" are all intended to inflict pain and/or compel compliance. Hugging is not.


Compelling compliance is also known as "parenting".

Also; pain is a hard-wired learning tool. Touch something that hurts, and your brain learns VERY quickly not to touch it again. Spanking doesn't injure, and the "pain" it causes is less than that of a good workout. Kids will put themselves through more pain willingly for something they want. Heck, I used to play "bloody knuckles" as a kid, and that shiat hurt way, way more than getting spanked.
 
2012-03-12 12:04:38 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: nopokerface: That's awesome. I can hear the laughter in the JetBlue PR department from here.
King Something: Congratulations, your well-behaved snowflakes just cost you your lawsuit lottery.

I was thinking both of these things as I watched. They obviously lack the both the ability and the inclination to control their children.

Kreist - I guess the kid had a tantrum at home and they couldn't comb her hair, huh? I farking hate parents like this. Jet Blue Pilot, I salute you. I now have no doubt that kid was a complete nightmare on that flight and the parents were unable to or uninterested in making her comply.


I am going to guess that they are some of those non-spanking parents I hear about. Maybe they deserve some credit for not having resorted to Ritalin or other pharmaceuticals as a substitute for parenting-yet.
 
2012-03-12 12:04:39 PM
I too am Pro spankings.

Kids need to be put in their place from time to time. I was spanked and hit with belts, and wooden spoons, and all kinds of things growing up, and I'm all the better for it.

I'm not saying you beat the shiat out of a kid, but yeah, some times, you gotta jerk that little bastard to the side and tell em what's up.

/also need to bring back spankings in schools.
//feared going to the principles office because of that paddle with the holes in it.
///can't watch Cricket because of that fear
 
2012-03-12 12:07:11 PM

keepitcherry: I bet all of these "I will never spank my child" parents in this thread are the dimwits who do the whole "I'm counting to THREE and I'm serious this time!!!! 1.......2.......I'm warning you!!!...." while their kids are running around wreaking havoc.


Never spanked my kid. the one time my kid had a melt down at a public event was a party my boss held. 30 gallons of homebrewed beer called to me, but my kid was acting up all day. The melt down was happening. The first time he acted up, i took him outside, sat him on a log and put him in timeout. He was great for about 2 hours. He acted up again, so i picked him up around the waist and left. I don't f around with threats with my kids. I see plenty of parents who do. They threaten, but they dont' really want to leave said event. Neither did I, but i did have to keep to my word or else my kid would know that i didn't mean it.

/left dead sober
//more pissed off than you could know.
 
2012-03-12 12:07:33 PM
We've got an 11-month old at home, and she's just beginning down the road towards this sort of behavior. She was a great traveler when she was a newborn and we could stick a bottle in her mouth, and she'll probably be OK for the next year or so since she's so easily distracted.

We've been on flights with kids who have thrown tantrums, and we are more tolerant now that we're parents because we know how hard it can be. At the same time, we know that the best way for kids to travel is for them to be:
A) Worn out and ready to sleep because you've kept them busy up until the flight.
B) Hungry and ready to soothe themselves with food or drink.
C) In some sort of car seat (which means that yes, you buy them an extra seat) so they can can be restrained, comforted and ready to take a nap.

It's not that hard. If my children ever behaved so badly that the pilot wanted me off the plane, I'd show remorse and write a letter of apology, not get angry and file a lawsuit.

Incidentally, some of the worst exchanges I've ever seen on a plane have been between parents of misbehaving children and the flight crew and/or passengers around them. I'd also be willing to bet that a good many of the people who are prone to being nasty to service professionals have chosen education over vocation and never had to work a crappy job where they dealt with other people's kids.

Even a pediatrician like this lady has nurses she can hand the kids off to if they're not behaving in her clinic. And she clearly has no sense of self-awareness about the blatant misbehavior of her own children.
 
2012-03-12 12:07:45 PM
Does anyone else think it's weird the three year-old already has bags and circles under her eyes?

I'm probably not the best judge anyway. All babies look like they have Down's to me.

/shrug
 
2012-03-12 12:07:49 PM

Ummon: Both the kids and the parents need a spanking

FTFM

Doctor's are champs at acting like nothing is wrong when there is clearly a problem.
 
2012-03-12 12:07:50 PM
Ahahaha

Look if you're not going to give them benedryl for the flight at least give them benedryl before they're on TV
 
2012-03-12 12:09:45 PM

PanicAttack: Does anyone else think it's weird the three year-old already has bags and circles under her eyes?

I'm probably not the best judge anyway. All babies look like they have Down's to me.

/shrug


Those aren't babies, those ar mirrors.
 
2012-03-12 12:09:50 PM

GBB:

God damn him for wanting to have his special day where HE AND HIS WIFE wanted it. God damn him straight to hell.


That's fine they can have the weeding where they want it but don't send out invites to others. I love when people do that and expect everyone to shell out the grand or more in flights and hotels just to see them get married. Fark off, if I fly out you get no present because me being there is enough.
 
2012-03-12 12:10:11 PM

KiplingKat872: I don;t think spanking was necessary just for acting up (though when a child has done something very wrong that they know if wrong, then I think that should be a tool in the parent tool kit. I got spanked when I stole from my Father's change jar, I feel that was utterly appropriate), but they sure as hell needed to get some discipline across if they want to look one hundred plus strangers up in a tin can with their kid.

Each kid in my family had one public tantrum. Just one. My mother would march them to the car, shut them inside it and waited outside, just out of sight, until we stopped screaming. Then she would come back and tell us what a great time she had while we were sitting being miserable in the car. And that was the last time we had a public tantrum.


Your mom's nicer than me. I left The Boy pitching a fit on the floor at Walgreens, went out and moved the car around back. When I returned to him two minutes later he was silent and held my hand tightly for the rest of our errands.
 
2012-03-12 12:10:26 PM

yves0010: Yeah, We do that to him too. I tend to carry my 7" Galaxy Tab around when I am with him. He normally never needs it but sometimes, its nice to have other things to let him play on. He loves to draw and when he is done drawing on the paper. I break out my paint app and he draws on my tab.


We usually put the laptop into the toy rotation. We don't usually have to enforce his time limit for that or TV because he usually goes over and plays with something else on his own. There are a few educational games he loves to play that seem to be helping him.

I think we're gonna have to pick him up a cheap android tab though. Nana's been letting him play with her Amazon Kindle, so he spends the first few minutes next time he's on the laptop trying to use the non-existent touch screen.

keyboards are a dying technology anyway :D
 
2012-03-12 12:10:29 PM

blakeosage: /also need to bring back spankings in schools.
//feared going to the principles office because of that paddle with the holes in it.
///can't watch Cricket because of that fear



I'm not sure when the practice stopped in our local school systems, but I remember it being around when I was in first grade ('85/'86).

But the principal had to call your house and get permission from one of your parents first.

/Once asked my Mom if she would give said permission.
//She said yes.
///Fortunately, I never misbehaved that much to warrant a spanking at school.
////Also, there was silly urban legend.....if the principal caught you spitting, he would make you fill up a cup with your own spit, then drink it.
 
2012-03-12 12:10:31 PM

greenboy: keepitcherry: I bet all of these "I will never spank my child" parents in this thread are the dimwits who do the whole "I'm counting to THREE and I'm serious this time!!!! 1.......2.......I'm warning you!!!...." while their kids are running around wreaking havoc.

Never spanked my kid. the one time my kid had a melt down at a public event was a party my boss held. 30 gallons of homebrewed beer called to me, but my kid was acting up all day. The melt down was happening. The first time he acted up, i took him outside, sat him on a log and put him in timeout. He was great for about 2 hours. He acted up again, so i picked him up around the waist and left. I don't f around with threats with my kids. I see plenty of parents who do. They threaten, but they dont' really want to leave said event. Neither did I, but i did have to keep to my word or else my kid would know that i didn't mean it.

/left dead sober
//more pissed off than you could know.


Your kid won. Got what he wanted.
YOU LOSE!! GOOD DAY, SIR!!
 
2012-03-12 12:10:44 PM
The airline overreacted. The "safety of the airplane" excuse is bullshiat. The Captain probably was hung over and didn't want to listen to a screaming kid.

With that said, this pair of super parents are gigantic idiots for taking a child on a long plane flight and then doubling-down by going on TV. Last I checked you avoid situations like the plague that your kids are likely to become a handful (e.g. movies, restaurants, the opera). Getting your 15 minutes on a morning show with your kids in tow where you can't go DEFCON 1 to discipline them is full retard.
 
2012-03-12 12:11:20 PM

Slartibartfaster: This is where whining self entitled blow hards come to biatch and moan about children whining and being self entitled.

// Fly often, with my wife and two children.
/ Never spanked a child.


You know, I've heard the argument quite a few times that children can't help their tantrums and we are compelled to tolerate that behavior, since they represent other people in our civilization. Why then should this logic not extend to adults? Should there be no limits on who should be entitled to run around and scream and whine and cry? I assure you there are many adults who lack self control and inhibitions.
 
2012-03-12 12:11:52 PM
In the video the Mom claims she had got her child settled, trying to make it sound like all was peaceful, but in the original article she said on the video,

"We were holding them down with all of our might, seat belt on."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112451/Family-kicked-JetBlue - flight-toddler-tantrum.html

So I call BS on the Crotchtree.
 
2012-03-12 12:12:40 PM

JerkStore: Fizics: I'm not going to lie, I agree with this woman in principle. People are going to complain the first chance they get, as soon as the opportunity presents itself. My daughter is only six years-old and sometimes cannot control her actions like an adult, and sometimes she needs to express herself and yes, may in fact disturb those around her; but this is the cost of living in a progressive society. She is very musically gifted, so my husband and I have been encouraging to express herself to others through song and on the plane she quickly becomes the darling of the people around her.

I guess I'm just trying to say we should show a little tolerance and consideration for others.

Meaning consideration for you and your kid, right?

I suspect that you're mistaken about the "darling of the people around her" part and confusing it with polite tolerance on the part of strangers.

I'll bet you a year of Total Fark that your kid isn't enchanting, you were simply [inadvertently] counting on the kindness of others to absolve you of the responsibility of caring for your "gifted" child (aren't they all?), then justifying it by telling people they need to be more tolerant.

/3-year-old and 6-year-old, I know how the game is played. You're doing it wrong.



ph0rk: So very, very this.


I have a feeling that neither of you know how the game is played...

[welcometofark]
 
2012-03-12 12:12:43 PM

Hipchewy1: jehovahs witness protection: This is what happens when parents refuse to spank their snowflakes.

You are a moron if you think being a good parent means the kids need to be spanked.

Spanking is the lazy mans way of teaching children.


Says the woman who apparently lives alone with her dog.

bigmoneygrip: Jake Havechek: Back in the old days, any adult was obligated to smack the shiat out of some little punk for acting up.

THIS. And, we got another spanking by our parents when they found out another adult had to discipline us.


I got spanked at school by the principal (the big paddle with holes in it), then again at home as stated above. And now I'm a drug-addled loser who sucks cack for drug... Oh wait, I'm a successful IT executive at the second biggest bank in the nation.

Spanking clearly sent me down the wrong path and should be banned.

\CSB
 
2012-03-12 12:12:54 PM

Allen. The end.: KiplingKat872: Then she would come back and tell us what a great time she had while we were sitting being miserable in the car. And that was the last time we had a public tantrum.

Your mom sounds like she enjoyed being cruel to you. I'm sorry.


Punishment is not supposed to be pleasant, that's why it is punishment.
 
2012-03-12 12:13:09 PM

PlatypusPuke: Hipchewy1: jehovahs witness protection: This is what happens when parents refuse to spank their snowflakes.

You are a moron if you think being a good parent means the kids need to be spanked.

Spanking is the lazy mans way of teaching children.

But pain is universal, crosses all language barriers and is rarely, if ever, misinterpreted.

/so I thought
//my father needed to spank me only 3 times growing up. 3. That's all it took.


The last time I was spanked, I was in diapers. I came out just fine.

You train kids the same way you train any animal. Ask, tell, promise. expect results and reward correct behavior consistently and you don't get to the point of having a loose dog or unruly child.
 
2012-03-12 12:13:19 PM

napsmear: All I saw here was a 2 yr old and a 3 yr old being just that......Toddlers.......hardly unruly behavior


I didn't witness the event on the plane, but from this video? This is standard, constant behavior from a 2-3 year old. I have a 25-month-old at home, and the dude has a "round bottom." Like a Weeble People toy, he just cannot sit still. He wobbles, and picks at his clothes, and my hair, and anything else that catches his attention (which is the span of a fruit fly right now).

I have strongly-grabbed him in public when he screamed and pouted and rebelled against my rules, and I got death-stares from the people around me (with maybe one old guy giving me a thumbs up from the corner of the room). The tone of this debate online is very different from what I, as a mother, have experienced IRL. I'd never, ever beat my kid. But one, swift swat to his rear-end, or to the top of his hand if he is about to hurt himself or someone else is A-OK in my book. But employing those tactics in public makes me feel like a child abuser from the reactions I get.

Pair that with how "71% of the online poll" and a good 95% of Farkers agree with the airline, I just have to say, "Have you guys been around any toddlers lately?" They don't sit still. They aren't quiet. You can't constantly hit them into submission. I'm just pleading for some compromise in attitudes. Parents, take a firmer stance with your kids, or get up and leave the place if you can (such as a restaurant? I take my son outside or to the restroom if his doesnt stop being disruptive in a restaurant within 60 seconds. I don't make others suffer for his lack of emotional control), but have patience with a parent who is struggling with a kid and TRYING to calm him.

I agree that this mom is probably really weak on the overall discipline front. And the dad is a doormat. But this whole interview setup was a bad idea. It's a rare 2 or 3 year old that would sit still and quiet during that long of a duration. They should have had mom and dad on the couch, and shown a video that was pre-recorded of the girls playing, or something.
 
2012-03-12 12:13:20 PM

Hipchewy1: jehovahs witness protection: This is what happens when parents refuse to spank their snowflakes.

You are a moron if you think being a good parent means the kids need to be spanked.

Spanking is the lazy mans way of teaching children.


Only an idiot thinks you can use reason and logic with a little person whose frontal lobe is not fully developed.


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ctl.byu.edu
 
2012-03-12 12:13:34 PM
I think I was spanked twice, and the third time it was offered due to bad behaviour, I crawled under my bed and sobbed uncontrollably and wouldn't come out for hours. I was so afraid that I willingly put myself in a time out. My parents were so freaked out at my reaction that when they managed to coax me out, I was just pet. Just the threat worked after that.
 
2012-03-12 12:13:40 PM

Donnchadha: If you think spanking involves a fist -- then you're absolutely right.

If you can't tell the difference between a physical attention grab and something intended to inflict pain -- then don't touch a child.

However, just because you don't understand physical boundaries doesn't mean that nobody else can.


Well it would appear the spanking advocates on Fark can't. Look at all the paddles, belts, spoons, and so on being advocated. That isn't a "physical attention grab" that is designed to inflict pain, a lot of it, more than you can do with just your hands. That is the reality of spanking, of what the people who advocate and practice it feel is ok. It is about hurting the kids to they do what you say, not getting their attention.

So you can see where the opposition comes from. People want to claim "It's not about hurting kids, just getting their attention," and yet then they talk about getting a paddle, with holes drilled in it to reduce air resistance, the kind of thing that can cause kidney damage if you go to far, as what to do. It is pretty clear that they can't understand the difference.
 
2012-03-12 12:14:34 PM

WTFDYW: Have you ever looked at someones kid and have the sudden urge to slap the shiat out of it just because it looks like it needs it? That wench sitting on mommys lap i tfv has that look.


I thought it was just me.
 
2012-03-12 12:14:50 PM

gblive: I travel every week, typically flying on Mondays and returning home Fridays. Fortunately most of these trips involve planes full of business travelers.

However, many times I had to endure airline trips with nearby children whose parents did nothing to control them. I am tired of flights where a "precious snowflake" spends the entire flight kicking the back of my seat, throwing things, screaming loudly, and/or hitting me - and the parent does nothing to discipline their child.

It is good to see JetBlue chucked this disruptive and ill-behaved family off the plane, I expect everyone on the plane cheered when it happened. Their appearance on The Today Show simply underlines that the parents do not have any control of their children and have no business being on a plane. My children never behaved like this when they were young, they always behaved properly in planes and in restaurants. I rightfully have a very low tolerance for families who do not do the same with their children.


Try living in a tourist destination. Every flight home is full of people who don't fly regularly. A nice pair of headphones helps drown up some of the commotion but it doesn't stop the backseat whacking, the biatch next to you that admits having pneumonia or the line that's 6 deep for the bathroom.

I got spanked growing up and so did my wife who even got the belt growing up. We've turned out just fine. Time outs were a joke and being sent to my room was met with glee. spanking does not equal beating.
 
2012-03-12 12:14:58 PM

The_Sponge: Side note:

Who else is a tad envious that these brats get to fly to the Caribbean?

/Never had vacations like that when I was a little kid.
//We always did long ass road trips in a VW camper van.


CSB: My family apparently took a trip down there (forget which island) when I was a year old. My mom still is convinced this should mean something positive to me.
 
2012-03-12 12:15:24 PM

Andrew Wiggin: umad: Im totally jealou's of your you're abilitie's though.

ftfy

/sorry, pet peeve


Seriously? THAT'S what you decided to fix?

/sigh
 
2012-03-12 12:15:32 PM
Anti-spanking idiots: This IS a difference between disciplinary spanking and beating the krap out of your kid.

When you understand that, you'll understand why, since the anti-spanking generation has grown up, we now have a surplus of adults who are selfish, greedy, litigious and narrow minded.

A combination of both disciplinary practices is a wise choice. Kids DO NOT have the brains to reason things out but do have the brains to respond to the stimulus of a sharp slap. That's how they also learn that you DON'T grab the flame of a candle and if you insist on annoying every insect, you're gonna get stung. Plus, those who have kids well know about the 'terrible two's', where a kid becomes defiant as they test their boundaries and become more curious. (Kind of a pre-runner to the teen angst syndrome.)

I grew up with a ton of kids who got spanked and the overwhelming majority of them turned out to be good people. They also turned into good business owners and operators.

I also grew up with kids who's folks beat them and the majority of them wound up with criminal records, jail time and a thug-like attitude. (Daddy took his belt off and whipped welts into Johnny's ass and back. Momma slapped Suzie so hard she bloodied her lip.)

So, there IS a difference.

I have seen no actual benefits for the 'no hit' generation and rather have seen a marked decrease in personal responsibility and an increase in selfishness over the decades.
Kids, especially in the confusing times of their teens, need a strict disciplinary background, handled with common sense and compassion or they fail to realize that there are consequences for their bad decisions. And, they will make them. Count on that.
 
2012-03-12 12:15:32 PM
My parents used to spank me when I deserved it, and it didn't do me any harm. I grew up well-adjusted with a healthy respect for authority. Any of you who would like to discuss the issue further can meet me out back where I will happily beat sixteen different flavours of shiat out of you.
 
2012-03-12 12:15:46 PM

Von_Ruff: The airline overreacted.



Let's be honest....if you had been on that flight, I'm sure you would have appreciated such an "overreaction". Yes, yes?
 
2012-03-12 12:15:52 PM

Pinner: greenboy: keepitcherry: I bet all of these "I will never spank my child" parents in this thread are the dimwits who do the whole "I'm counting to THREE and I'm serious this time!!!! 1.......2.......I'm warning you!!!...." while their kids are running around wreaking havoc.

Never spanked my kid. the one time my kid had a melt down at a public event was a party my boss held. 30 gallons of homebrewed beer called to me, but my kid was acting up all day. The melt down was happening. The first time he acted up, i took him outside, sat him on a log and put him in timeout. He was great for about 2 hours. He acted up again, so i picked him up around the waist and left. I don't f around with threats with my kids. I see plenty of parents who do. They threaten, but they dont' really want to leave said event. Neither did I, but i did have to keep to my word or else my kid would know that i didn't mean it.

/left dead sober
//more pissed off than you could know.

Your kid won. Got what he wanted.
YOU LOSE!! GOOD DAY, SIR!!


Not quite. He wanted to stay. He was flipping out b/c he wanted to play air hockey.
 
2012-03-12 12:15:56 PM

CrazedHatter: Pocket Ninja: The problem is that the mommy and daddy didn't have time to sit down with their child at a round table and take out the Burr Bear of Sharing and hold Burr Bear on the table to exercise the "when you, I feel, because" Process of Disciplinary Enablement, in which mommy would explain: "When you throw a tantrum on the airplane, I feel unhappy because it causes other passengers to become angry at me." And then she would pass the Burr Bear of Sharing to daddy, who would say, "And I also feel unhappy because it makes me sad that you are not acting up to your potential." And then they would pass the Burr Bear to their girl who would throw it on the floor and scream, and that of course would mean another round of disciplinary enablement, so mommy would pick up Burr Bear and begin: "When you throw Burr Bear on the floor, I feel upset because that is disrespectful to Burr Bear." And daddy would say, "And I feel that we have no choice but to take away your Sharing Opportunity." And the little girl would hold our her hands to take Burr Bear, but daddy would only pass it to mommy instead. And mommy would ask, "So how do you feel about losing your Sharing Opportunity, honey?" And the little girl would scream and mommy would say, "When you scream like that, I feel sad, because it makes me think you don't care about sharing." And so on.

The problem is that effective and nurturing discipline like this takes time. It's sad that a national airline would not accommodate a pair of child professionals engaged in effective remediative practice. There are no shortcuts in discipline, and we all need to understand that.

This is a thing of beauty and joy for all, Pocket Ninja. Thank you.


It reminds me of "Name that Tune" back in the day.

I'll bet I can whip that kid (PUN INTENDED) into shape in 1 minute!
 
2012-03-12 12:16:14 PM

territ: I have a 25-month-old at home


oy. he's 2. get over the month thing!
 
2012-03-12 12:17:05 PM

territ: napsmear: All I saw here was a 2 yr old and a 3 yr old being just that......Toddlers.......hardly unruly behavior

I didn't witness the event on the plane, but from this video? This is standard, constant behavior from a 2-3 year old. I have a 25-month-old at home, and the dude has a "round bottom." Like a Weeble People toy, he just cannot sit still. He wobbles, and picks at his clothes, and my hair, and anything else that catches his attention (which is the span of a fruit fly right now).

I have strongly-grabbed him in public when he screamed and pouted and rebelled against my rules, and I got death-stares from the people around me (with maybe one old guy giving me a thumbs up from the corner of the room). The tone of this debate online is very different from what I, as a mother, have experienced IRL. I'd never, ever beat my kid. But one, swift swat to his rear-end, or to the top of his hand if he is about to hurt himself or someone else is A-OK in my book. But employing those tactics in public makes me feel like a child abuser from the reactions I get.

Pair that with how "71% of the online poll" and a good 95% of Farkers agree with the airline, I just have to say, "Have you guys been around any toddlers lately?" They don't sit still. They aren't quiet. You can't constantly hit them into submission. I'm just pleading for some compromise in attitudes. Parents, take a firmer stance with your kids, or get up and leave the place if you can (such as a restaurant? I take my son outside or to the restroom if his doesnt stop being disruptive in a restaurant within 60 seconds. I don't make others suffer for his lack of emotional control), but have patience with a parent who is struggling with a kid and TRYING to calm him.

I agree that this mom is probably really weak on the overall discipline front. And the dad is a doormat. But this whole interview setup was a bad idea. It's a rare 2 or 3 year old that would sit still and quiet during that long of a duration. They sh ...


Sounds about right to me.

Wait a minute BAD PARENT! BAD PARENT!
 
2012-03-12 12:18:44 PM

greenboy:
YOU LOSE!! GOOD DAY, SIR!!

Not quite. He wanted to stay. He was flipping out b/c he wanted to play air hockey.


He wanted to play a game and you flipped out about that? I'm sure there is more backstory than that, atleast I hope there is.
 
2012-03-12 12:18:53 PM
The airline may have been totally justified in kicking the family off, but I didn't think the kids acted all that terribly in the interview itself. I mean, yeah, they seemed extremely bored and a little squirmy; but from the headline and the comments I read here before watching the video I was fully expecting some really over-the-top spoiled rotten temper-tantrum kind of stuff, and nothing in the video came even close to that. I'll be the first to admit that kids can be obnoxious, and I'm normally a pretty harsh critic of parents that refuse to control their rugrats; but with the fairly tame stuff the parents were dealing with during the interview and the fact that they were (Live?) on national television, I'm not real certain how the folks here think they should have handled the situation. Would it really have been better if they had stopped mid interview and started yelling at and scolding their child, or given her a "pop" on the bottom in front of millions of television viewers (as so many people here seem to think), or simply stopped the entire interview because their kid was acting like a bored squirmy kid?

/not a parent
 
2012-03-12 12:21:09 PM

Hipchewy1: I think raising a child requires a brain not a fist.


You don't know what spanking is, do you?
 
2012-03-12 12:21:18 PM

ruleux: Fun and games aside. Raising children is consistency. They need rules that are consistently enforced without exception. Makes them feel safe and confident. Its a hard job to be a parent and "Mrs Doctor" in the video has just outsourced the whole thing to a Nanny. That is why the children are little monsters.

/still fear the spoon


Sofa King this.
 
2012-03-12 12:21:36 PM

Rik01: When you understand that, you'll understand why, since the anti-spanking generation has grown up, we now have a surplus of adults who are selfish, greedy, litigious and narrow minded.


Well, I'm convinced.

Had spanking not become a frowned upon practice, everyone in society would get along.

Ironclad.
 
2012-03-12 12:21:46 PM

greenboy: My point is: Get mad at bad kids, get mad at bad parents that usually produce the bad kids. Be understanding that there are parents who work their ass off to be good parents and raise good kids.

No, i'm not driving to vegas.



Who the hell takes their kids to Vegas? The whole "Vegas is the new Disneyland" thing died out in the late 90s.

/Just messing with you.
//You probably have a good reason.
 
2012-03-12 12:22:24 PM

GBB: greenboy: Yanks_RSJ: greenboy: Blame my brother-in-law who thought it would be a good idea to have destination wedding.

He had a destination wedding because he didn't want you or your kids to show up.

Good try. I'm best man, and my son is ring bearer. My b-i-l is just an idiot.

God damn him for wanting to have his special day where HE AND HIS WIFE wanted it. God damn him straight to hell.


My b-i-l is an idiot b/c he isn't paying for any of it. his parents are (my wife's parents). he's a money grubber with no job.

I have to go. My wife has to go. Everyone in the family has to go. This includes the kids. We can't drive across the country, so we will have kids on the airplane. Like i said before, we will be actively parenting our children on the flight. We will do everything in our power to keep them entertained throughout.
Don't criticize the parents who are working to have that happen. Criticize the ones who aren't.
 
2012-03-12 12:24:08 PM

The_Sponge: greenboy: My point is: Get mad at bad kids, get mad at bad parents that usually produce the bad kids. Be understanding that there are parents who work their ass off to be good parents and raise good kids.

No, i'm not driving to vegas.


Who the hell takes their kids to Vegas? The whole "Vegas is the new Disneyland" thing died out in the late 90s.

/Just messing with you.
//You probably have a good reason.


It keeps the wife busy so you can go to the strip clubs.
 
2012-03-12 12:24:13 PM
Here is the thing with spanking. It works. It works as long as the child understands WHY they are being spanked, and the parent doesn't do it because/when they are angry.

At 2 and 3 years of age, I have doubts as to weather or not the children would have understood why they were being spanked. Isn't the age of reason 4 or 5 under Freudian psychology? Lets drop the "Needs a spanking" BS.

That being said, I do agree with the flight crew and the airlines policy. If the kid will not quiet down and buckle up, it is a danger to itself and the rest of the cabin during takeoff.

/has seen some kids behave really well during flights.
 
2012-03-12 12:24:13 PM

The_Sponge: greenboy: My point is: Get mad at bad kids, get mad at bad parents that usually produce the bad kids. Be understanding that there are parents who work their ass off to be good parents and raise good kids.

No, i'm not driving to vegas.


Who the hell takes their kids to Vegas? The whole "Vegas is the new Disneyland" thing died out in the late 90s.

/Just messing with you.
//You probably have a good reason.


Of course. If you are going to introduce your toddler to gambling, boobies, and all night benders, is there a better place?
 
2012-03-12 12:24:33 PM

ChrisDe: 14 trips to Turks & Caicos? They sound like some of those damn 1% money launderers.


My first reaction.
 
2012-03-12 12:25:29 PM

Andrew Wiggin: territ: I have a 25-month-old at home

oy. he's 2. get over the month thing!


Two, sorry! That "measure age by months" crap was just conditioned into me by the medical establishment while I was pregnant, and it kind of stuck. I'll get over it.
 
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