thisisyourbrainonFark: Flying back from Mexico, our 18-month-old wouldn't stop screaming, writhing around in our arms, but at least then she puked all over my wife and I. Good times.

/felt bad for those around us.

I guess the real question is why would you fly to Mexico with an 18 month old?

WTFDYW: Fizics: I'm not going to lie, I agree with this woman in principle. People are going to complain the first chance they get, as soon as the opportunity presents itself. My daughter is only six years-old and sometimes cannot control her actions like an adult, and sometimes she needs to express herself and yes, may in fact disturb those around her; but this is the cost of living in a progressive society. She is very musically gifted, so my husband and I have been encouraging to express herself to others through song and on the plane she quickly becomes the darling of the people around her.

I guess I'm just trying to say we should show a little tolerance and consideration for others.

That's some pretty good trollin right there. You may even catch a few fish.

I admit it -- I felt the "urge to kill, rising!" when I read the post. I was nearly gonna bite.

That was impressive. The two kids were going on like monkeys in a circus, and she just kept yammering away.

This woman used to fly with her kid on her lap. The daughter turning two isn't exactly something that snuck up on her. It sounds like these people have had enough time on a plane that they could have tried her out in her own seat on a previous trip or two while mommy or daddy went up to use the bathroom. No, it wouldn't have been a perfect preview, but it would have been useful.

They probably tried to pack as much activity as they could into the vacation, and then wondered why their sleep-deprived kid was acting out.

Glad she's not my son's pediatrician.

Just a warning, I'm flying to vegas in august with a 1 year old and an almost 4 year old.
My oldest is very well behaved, and we will keep him entertained as best as we can (or drugged on benadryl), but he's never been on a plane before. He's not going to be perfect, but we will do our best to make that flight painless for everyone around.

If you get stuck on an airplane with us, and you get upset b/c my snowflakes aren't perfect. Kiss my ass. Blame my brother-in-law who thought it would be a good idea to have destination wedding.

I'm getting married next summer (not this summer...yeah I know don't ask why it's taking so long it just is) and now my family is all in OOOH YOU'RE GONNA BE A DADDY mode.

No. No I am never going to be a "daddy." I'll never be a parent. I do not, absolutely do not want kids. They're expensive, they drain 18+ years of your life needing constant care, you have to put life plans on hold for 18 years just to have a kid, and even if you do your VERY ABSOLUTE BEST they still might turn out to be a serial murderer and kill your extended family.

My family just don't understand how I could possibly feel this way. I point them to articles like this. I hate everyone else's kids because their kids are all like this. Why would I want crotchfruit of my own?

/fiancee agrees

14 trips to Turks & Caicos? They sound like some of those damn 1%ers.

Brostorm: SinisterDexter: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: I did not see anything totally out of hand during the interview. Just a bored 2 year old. Did you really expect mom or dad to administer a beat-down on national TV?

The kids weren't behaving badly in the studio, they were just behaving like a two and a three year-old. The parents may have made a bad choice in bringing them on the show, but that's the chance you take when working with children and animals.

I'm sure they thought their adorable kids would help their case and besides, you wouldn't want to miss your 15 minutes of fame.


They were behaving badly, that is how 2 and 3 year olds behave, badly.

My nephew is 2. And he would never behave anything like this. He always says thank you for getting something. Asking for something with a please. And when told to sit. He sits. The worse he does is demand that either mommy, daddy, mema, umba, tio, or meme come sit with him.

And yes, Hes afraid of "the pow pow" too.

I have a solution here.

If a child becomes unruly during the flight and the parent can't/won't control them, an obese passenger will be offered a free First Class ticket voucher if they sit on the kid to keep them in their seat during the rest of the flight.

My point is: Get mad at bad kids, get mad at bad parents that usually produce the bad kids. Be understanding that there are parents who work their ass off to be good parents and raise good kids.

No, i'm not driving to vegas.

bhcompy: I guess the real question is why would you fly to Mexico with an 18 month old?

He never said he flew TO Mexico with the kid...

/Nobody beat me to this?

Allen. The end.: yves0010: Spanking is a perfectly good punishment when done right. It isnt lazy and in todays day. It is still one of the best ways to punish a child. Grounding with all the toys kids have now a days doesnt work. Did not work for me when I was grounded back in the 90s. Now getting my ass spanked did cause it said "Dont do this or you will be punished."

You should have been spanked for your lack of understanding grammar.

/also, "back in the 90s?"

A: Grammar is not my strongest point. And I don't honestly care about that right now.
B: Yes, back in the 90's. I am young but not that young. My childhood was in the 90s.

IXI Jim IXI: bhcompy: I guess the real question is why would you fly to Mexico with an 18 month old?

He never said he flew TO Mexico with the kid...

Ah, yes, the mule toddler. Forgot about that one

The_Sponge: Side note:

Who else is a tad envious that these brats get to fly to the Caribbean?
/Never had vacations like that when I was a little kid.
//We always did long ass road trips in a VW camper van.

No shiat. When we were growing up, we road tripped around the western US in a Honda Civic. In the summer. With no A/C. And we liked it!

Hah, they can't control their children and they're supposed to be child experts!

SinisterDexter:

No shiat. When we were growing up, we road tripped around the western US in a Honda Civic. In the summer. With no A/C. And we liked it!

"Sorry kids, we've got to turn the A/C off, we've got a steep grade for the next 20 miles and don't want to overheat"

greenboy: Blame my brother-in-law who thought it would be a good idea to have destination wedding.

He had a destination wedding because he didn't want you or your kids to show up.

Fizics: I'm not going to lie, I agree with this woman in principle. People are going to complain the first chance they get, as soon as the opportunity presents itself. My daughter is only six years-old and sometimes cannot control her actions like an adult, and sometimes she needs to express herself and yes, may in fact disturb those around her; but this is the cost of living in a progressive society. She is very musically gifted, so my husband and I have been encouraging to express herself to others through song and on the plane she quickly becomes the darling of the people around her.

I guess I'm just trying to say we should show a little tolerance and consideration for others.

Meaning consideration for you and your kid, right?

I suspect that you're mistaken about the "darling of the people around her" part and confusing it with polite tolerance on the part of strangers.

I'll bet you a year of Total Fark that your kid isn't enchanting, you were simply [inadvertently] counting on the kindness of others to absolve you of the responsibility of caring for your "gifted" child (aren't they all?), then justifying it by telling people they need to be more tolerant.

/3-year-old and 6-year-old, I know how the game is played. You're doing it wrong.

I was spanked and screamed at as a kid. Congratulations, Dad, you turned me into a doormat who was way too eager to please, afraid to disagree with anyone, and deathly afraid of confrontation. It took a very long time for me to even be able to form my own opinions, let alone *gasp* break a rule.

JerkStore: I'll bet you a year of Total Fark that your kid isn't enchanting, you were simply [inadvertently] counting on the kindness of others to absolve you of the responsibility of caring for your "gifted" child (aren't they all?), then justifying it by telling people they need to be more tolerant.



So very, very this.

RumsfeldsReplacement: You just know that when it's time for these children to go to college, mommy and daddy will be right there with them for their first classes.

No, that would require effort on the part of the parents.

yves0010: My nephew is 2. And he would never behave anything like this. He always says thank you for getting something. Asking for something with a please. And when told to sit. He sits. The worse he does is demand that either mommy, daddy, mema, umba, tio, or meme come sit with him.

The only time my two-year-old has a massive fit is the doctors, occasionally if we leave the playground before he's played himself unconscious, or occasionally if he doesn't want to go to sleep and we put him into time out for a few minutes. We've been taking him to restaurants since he was 6 months old, and he usually behaves himself quite well. He's happy to have a toy, or crayons, to keep him busy. If he has a major meltdown (or he's going to the doctor), that's when we break out the Pingu videos on the phone. You just have to be prepared, and always keep a toy in your pocket :-D

Really! You sit your ass down RIGHT NOW and finish your homework!!
You want me to call Uncle Sandusky over here again?
No?
Yeah that's what I thought! Now get your shiat done!

/works like a charm.

This is where whining self entitled blow hards come to biatch and moan about children whining and being self entitled.

// Fly often, with my wife and two children.
/ Never spanked a child.

Crap.

Well played, sir. Well played.

MDGeist: Only those with out children or the ability to raise them correctly think violence is a good teaching tool.

Not true.
Have two.
Never made them black and blue,
Sometimes though, a spanking or two,
Simply was the right thing to do.

Yanks_RSJ: greenboy: Blame my brother-in-law who thought it would be a good idea to have destination wedding.

He had a destination wedding because he didn't want you or your kids to show up.

Good try. I'm best man, and my son is ring bearer. My b-i-l is just an idiot.

Both the kids and the mother need a spanking

umad: And you know that nobody want's to have kid's with me (and that I want to have kid's for that matter) from one line. Im totally jealou's of your abilitie's though. It is quite an accomplishment to lay on your back and spread your leg's for a few minute's. That takes some real skill's.

At least she'd be able to write a decent thank you letter afterward...

I never want to have kids. I'm happy being the cool uncle, you can keep em.

Did I grow up in a different world? At what point do parents leave children that young to sit a couple of rows BEHIND where they are?

Was there a babysitter? Were there older siblings around to help control the kids? Were they expecting the attendants to babysit?

I only watched the vid once, but I seem to recall them being asked to sit next to their children. Really? If one of us kids were acting up, there would be a parent right there immediately.

Until they are old enough to choose correct behavior simply because behaving correctly is the right thing to do, they have to be trained. There are lots of ways to train kids. But they all come down to this: if they don't have a healthy fear of you, they will continue to test limits until they discover where the ultimate boundaries lie.

I have three awesome, happy kids. They work their tails off in school, are all at the top of their grades, and not a one of them would ever even consider, in their wildest dreams, acting impolite, unruly, or disobedient in public. Not since they were 3 years old at least. Why? They have all had their asses warmed by me, and they remember it. They know I will simply not tolerate it, and they will suffer SOME unimaginable retribution (they have no idea what it is, but they know it's bad) should they misbehave.

If you are more worried about being the bad guy than you are about your kids' future, you suck, and your kids' lives will suck because of it. I tell my kids all the time, you might hate me when you grow up for being so strict, but as long as you have a good life, the trade off is worth it. And I don't think they hate me for it, because they all tackle me every time I come in the door after being gone for more than a few hours.

aagrajag: Thorak: Spanking is as much "hitting" as hugging is choking.

Spanking, choking and "hitting" are all intended to inflict pain and/or compel compliance. Hugging is not.

Alright, then let's refine the analogy: spanking is as much "hitting" as a time-out is locking a kid in the cellar.

Anyone who cannot understand the difference between these things should not attempt disciplining a child.

Hipchewy1: jehovahs witness protection: This is what happens when parents refuse to spank their snowflakes.

You are a moron if you think being a good parent means the kids need to be spanked.

Spanking is the lazy mans way of teaching children.

Says the lady with a bunch of pictures in her profile of her dressed up dog. How many kids do you have?

I bet all of these "I will never spank my child" parents in this thread are the dimwits who do the whole "I'm counting to THREE and I'm serious this time!!!! 1.......2.......I'm warning you!!!...." while their kids are running around wreaking havoc.

IXI Jim IXI: yves0010: My nephew is 2. And he would never behave anything like this. He always says thank you for getting something. Asking for something with a please. And when told to sit. He sits. The worse he does is demand that either mommy, daddy, mema, umba, tio, or meme come sit with him.

The only time my two-year-old has a massive fit is the doctors, occasionally if we leave the playground before he's played himself unconscious, or occasionally if he doesn't want to go to sleep and we put him into time out for a few minutes. We've been taking him to restaurants since he was 6 months old, and he usually behaves himself quite well. He's happy to have a toy, or crayons, to keep him busy. If he has a major meltdown (or he's going to the doctor), that's when we break out the Pingu videos on the phone. You just have to be prepared, and always keep a toy in your pocket :-D

Yeah, We do that to him too. I tend to carry my 7" Galaxy Tab around when I am with him. He normally never needs it but sometimes, its nice to have other things to let him play on. He loves to draw and when he is done drawing on the paper. I break out my paint app and he draws on my tab.

He is a very well adjusted 2 year old. Time outs and pow pows are handed out for certain punishments. If hes fussing at home, usually gets a time out. If its worse, its a pow pow and a time out. Bed time fussing usually gets ignored and he goes to bed soon after. He tires himself out whining.

Andrew Wiggin: Ummon: Both the kids and the mother need a spanking

and then...the oral sex?

but in this care, there arent a few hundred of them.. only one and she could be a formidable foe.

Splinshints: The_Sponge: Unless a kid is born with perfect behavior, spanking is an appropriate tool when used in the right manner.

Nothing like teaching your children that using violence against somebody who can't retaliate is an appropriate way of enforcing your will, right?

"That's right little Johnny, if somebody isn't doing what you want them to do, just hit 'em until they listen!"

/ this thread is now a spanking flamewar

Right, because obviously reasoning with someone without fully developed mental facilities is the way to go.

/kind of like arguing on fark