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2012-03-12 08:20:12 AM
The only bounty available to QB's is for hitting DBs hard...in the hands with the ball. Sexy Rexy made bank.

Meanwhile, Brees should wipe his ass with that franchise tender and messenger it back to the NO'Aints.
 
2012-03-12 08:47:45 AM
I'm not terribly skeptical here. Defenses and offenses are treated as basically two different teams; they really don't have much interaction.

Second, if I were a QB and heard about bounties on the defensive side, I'd be none too happy about it.

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Meanwhile, Brees should wipe his ass with that franchise tender and messenger it back to the NO'Aints.


And this.
 
2012-03-12 11:43:11 AM
No doubt. Brees would be the last person they would want to know about it.
 
2012-03-12 12:17:39 PM

Balchinian: No doubt. Brees would be the last person they would want to know about it.


I would agree, if it weren't for his choice of words ("real" bounties).

/Can't think of a reason to care if he knew or not.
//Keep your mouth shut in times like this... there's so little to gain and so much to lose.
 
2012-03-12 12:23:11 PM
Am I the only one who's completely over this whole bounty thing? Goodell wants us to be outraged just so he can have another opportunity to whip out his dick and show us all how big it is by levying hefty penalties. If anything, this whole "bountygate" has only made me hate Goodell even more than I already do, which I didn't even know was possible.
 
2012-03-12 12:58:01 PM
Brees was always going to be the one who caught the most flak from this. The Saints know that they are too cheap to sign Brees, Nicks and Colsten. They were hoping to sign Brees and franchize Nicks. However the bounty program and the idea that Brees was smart enough to say that he wanted a front loaded contract instead of a backloaded one torpedoed all of those thoughts. Brees was smart enougn to know that he wouldn't be around for the last 2 years of his 6 year contract so he wanted it front loaded just like Manning and Brady did. The Saints didn't think that Brees and his agent were going to play that card because they thought that Brees would never want to ruin his rep in NOLA. However Brees was and now the Saints have to franchize him and let Nicks walk because there is no way that the Saints are going to have $100 Million tied up in two Guards, Nicks and Evans. The Saints were hoping to use Nicks for one more year before they let him walk in free agency. Loomis screwed himself by giving Evans that contract a couple of years ago and letting the coaching staff run amok. Now he is going to lose his job because he can't hold onto Brees either. Loomis has been very good at finding NFL talent late in the draft and beyond, but he has not had the right stuff when it comes to signing contracts of his established players. Will Smith and Jonathan Vilma need to be cut to save over $35 million. Smith just restructured his contract, but that isn't good enough. He needs to go. Pierre Thomas was resigned last year then Loomis traded a future 1st round pick to draft Mark Ingram and he signed Darren Sproles. The team already had Chris Ivory who he found in Tiffin College of all places. He needs to cut Pierre Thomas as well. Cutting those 3 players saves the Saints almost $40 million over the next 3 years. That is a bunch of money that could be used to sign Brees, Nicks and another free agent on the defensive side. Loomis got too big for his britches.

/let Colsten go, another WR is easy to replace, Brees isn't
 
2012-03-12 01:32:16 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Am I the only one who's completely over this whole bounty thing?


I was never under it so I didn't have to get over it. No one got hurt due to this program that wouldn't have been hurt anyway. At the end of the day this whole thing will just end up being a massive fine, essentially for breaking the first and second rule of fight club. The problem was in talking about it.
 
2012-03-12 02:10:16 PM

JohnBigBootay: Why Would I Read the Article: Am I the only one who's completely over this whole bounty thing?

I was never under it so I didn't have to get over it. No one got hurt due to this program that wouldn't have been hurt anyway. At the end of the day this whole thing will just end up being a massive fine, essentially for breaking the first and second rule of fight club. The problem was in talking about it.


Well you can't know that nobody got hurt from this program for sure.

And what did they expect brees to say? Oh I knew about it and contributed to the fund?!?

He probably didn't know about it but you never know since we aren't inside their lives, still the biggest issue for the saints is the bad timing with all the injury issues and lawsuits coming up now.
 
2012-03-12 02:15:44 PM

JohnBigBootay: At the end of the day this whole thing will just end up being a massive fine, essentially for breaking the first and second rule of fight club.


As much as I wish that were true, Payton's probably going to be suspended (because looking the other way as your DC runs a bounty program is a suspendable offense while running a videotaping program isn't) and we're gonna lose a bunch of draft picks. This plays right into Goodell's wheelhouse and he needs to show what a tough guy he is for the Duerson lawsuit, for one.
 
2012-03-12 02:24:40 PM

robsul82: As much as I wish that were true, Payton's probably going to be suspended (because looking the other way as your DC runs a bounty program is a suspendable offense while running a videotaping program isn't) and we're gonna lose a bunch of draft picks. This plays right into Goodell's wheelhouse and he needs to show what a tough guy he is for the Duerson lawsuit, for one.


Yeah, there will probably be picks and suspensions as well. I'm not SURE Payton will be suspended - Williams for sure. But if Payton gets suspended where Bellicek did not, that will be a damn travesty.
 
2012-03-12 02:27:53 PM

steamingpile: Well you can't know that nobody got hurt from this program for sure.


Well, no, by definition I certainly can not. But that's not the way these rules work, is it? If this were some actual legal bullshiat instead of silly sports stuff you'd have to prove someone WAS hurt as a direct consequence of the program but you can't do that either, can you?
 
2012-03-12 02:30:58 PM

JohnBigBootay: I'm not SURE Payton will be suspended - Williams for sure. But if Payton gets suspended where Bellicek did not, that will be a damn travesty.


Yeah, no kidding. Fingers crossed, but I'm not full of hope when it comes to Goodell here.
 
2012-03-12 03:14:04 PM

JohnBigBootay: steamingpile: Well you can't know that nobody got hurt from this program for sure.

Well, no, by definition I certainly can not. But that's not the way these rules work, is it? If this were some actual legal bullshiat instead of silly sports stuff you'd have to prove someone WAS hurt as a direct consequence of the program but you can't do that either, can you?


Oh I agree, as you can see I was being objective in the post, even though it is the saints and my hatred of one poster for them is well defined. I am also not stupid enough to be blind to the fact other teams may be doing this same thing, officially or unofficially.
 
2012-03-12 03:33:13 PM
Cowboys/Redskins being fined for salary cap violations during the uncapped year. Goodell is being a dick.
 
2012-03-12 03:59:18 PM

LucklessWonder: Cowboys/Redskins being fined for salary cap violations during the uncapped year. Goodell is being a dick.


Actually they are being fined for using the uncapped year to dump salary from other years and the other owners voted that it was an unfair advantage, now goodell.
 
2012-03-12 04:15:13 PM

steamingpile: Oh I agree, as you can see I was being objective in the post, even though it is the saints and my hatred of one poster for them is well defined. I am also not stupid enough to be blind to the fact other teams may be doing this same thing, officially or unofficially.


Well, life is too short to be hating folks in the sports tabs. This is supposed to be fun. I have a little distaste for particular teams but it's all in jest - as I've said many times, we're rooting for laundry, mostly inhabited by people who are mostly unaware of our existence except in the general sense.

I do think most, if not all, teams have locker room pots and rewards/penalties/ kangaroo courts that circumvent the salary cap. But it's such a tiny thing I think it's harmless. The Saints sin is tying it in any way to injuries. I'd bet a nickel no one including them will ever do it again. But Goodell will nevertheless grandstand on the issue so they can put it in the file for the big lawsuit which still looms down the road for them. I still maintain the by far bigger sin was the spygate thing.
 
2012-03-12 04:16:28 PM
LOL, "voice doubt as to whether anyone got injured who wouldn't have been anyway, get called on it, backtrack" = objective.
 
2012-03-12 04:17:03 PM

LucklessWonder: Cowboys/Redskins being fined for salary cap violations during the uncapped year. Goodell is being a dick unable to suppress the essence of his nature.


fixed
 
2012-03-12 04:28:07 PM

steamingpile: LucklessWonder: Cowboys/Redskins being fined for salary cap violations during the uncapped year. Goodell is being a dick.

Actually they are being fined for using the uncapped year to dump salary from other years and the other owners voted that it was an unfair advantage, now goodell.


Wasn't the point of the uncapped year in the old CBA to allow the owners to do just that?
 
2012-03-12 04:55:33 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Am I the only one who's completely over this whole bounty thing?


No you are not.

The first time I heard about this, it garnered a big "meh" from me. Football is a violent game and defensive players have been incented to knock-a-motherfarker-out & dislodge him from the ball since they first set foot on a Pop Warner field. We just got those cool little skull & crossbone stickers at that level. This was the case when I played Pop Warner ball all the way up through 5-A high school ball. I didn't play in college so I can't really comment, but friends of mine that did were incented to do the very same thing. If you cause a turnover or put a starter out for even a play, much less the remainder of the game, you've effectively given your team a cometitive advantage. THAT'S THE POINT, EDITH!!!

In the Saint's locker room they were using cash as an incentive for big hits & by alomst all accounts from former players who have spoken on the matter, this has been going on in just about every locker room in the NFL for decades. It's part of the game.
 
2012-03-12 05:01:16 PM

4NTLRZ: Why Would I Read the Article: Am I the only one who's completely over this whole bounty thing?

No you are not.


Judging from the massive decline in comments from the beginning of this story to now, I don't think you're alone either. Florio and Peter King's continuing Hands Across America drive for Brett Favre will continue indefinitely, however.

/funny considering Favre was probably the first former player to put the brakes on this as a horrendous event, not that Pete was listening
 
2012-03-12 05:17:39 PM

robsul82: Peter King


I don't know what he's so up in arms about. I just looked at the first seven paragraphs of his story on the subject and they are all about the fact there should have been a flag on the McCray hit. Well, that's fine - there probably should have been. But that not only has has fark-all to do with the bounty thing, it underscores the whole reason why the bounty thing is overblown. If that flag is thrown, the Saints might very well have lost the game. Which is why playing a bounty for dirty hits wouldn't work worth shiat from a competitive standpoint. He talks about how horrible this thing is but he spends two thirds of the column essentially complaining about the refs non-call. WTF?
 
2012-03-12 05:28:02 PM

JohnBigBootay: I don't know what he's so up in arms about. I just looked at the first seven paragraphs of his story on the subject and they are all about the fact there should have been a flag on the McCray hit. Well, that's fine - there probably should have been. But that not only has has fark-all to do with the bounty thing, it underscores the whole reason why the bounty thing is overblown. If that flag is thrown, the Saints might very well have lost the game. Which is why playing a bounty for dirty hits wouldn't work worth shiat from a competitive standpoint. He talks about how horrible this thing is but he spends two thirds of the column essentially complaining about the refs non-call. WTF?


He doesn't think of it that way, he's just caught up on the idea that if the high/low gets flagged, Favre goes to the Super Bowl. And honestly, that's what it's all about for him and Florio. They're terribly biased and in the case of King writing on the issue for SI, I mean...honestly, it'd be like if the shoe was on the other foot and they asked me to write it. I'd LIKE to think I wouldn't be that asinine and my judgment wouldn't be so clouded, but.
 
2012-03-12 05:33:08 PM

robsul82: He doesn't think of it that way, he's just caught up on the idea that if the high/low gets flagged,


Wait, I got mixed up, those are different hits, my bad. Same deal, though, if the Vilma interception after the McCray hit gets taken off the board, his pal Brett goes to the Super Bowl.
 
2012-03-12 05:35:33 PM

robsul82: 4NTLRZ: Why Would I Read the Article: Am I the only one who's completely over this whole bounty thing?

No you are not.

Judging from the massive decline in comments from the beginning of this story to now, I don't think you're alone either. Florio and Peter King's continuing Hands Across America drive for Brett Favre will continue indefinitely, however.

/funny considering Favre was probably the first former player to put the brakes on this as a horrendous event, not that Pete was listening


Right!? When this whole thing broke I was really surprised at how many people were outraged that something like this could possibly happen. A lot in the local media were the ones carrying that banner, which surprised me even more. After thinking about it, the only thing I can figure is that those who are voicing outrage are probably people who have never played the game at any kind of competitive level. Hell, I even asked two of my sons (one a high school player; the other a little leaguer) what they thought about it all & got similar reactions. My little leager said, "There's nothing wrong with it. That's what you're supposed to do, right Dad?" My high schooler said, "That's gay. Coach tells me my job is to drill whoever comes across the middle so hard that he drops the ball & either has to sit out for for a while or is afraid to go across the middle & gets alligator arms." But he also plays hockey & lives to put the screws to whoever is across from him.

/ah, from the mouths of babes.
 
2012-03-12 05:36:11 PM

robsul82: He doesn't think of it that way, he's just caught up on the idea that if the high/low gets flagged, Favre goes to the Super Bowl. And honestly, that's what it's all about for him and Florio. They're terribly biased and in the case of King writing on the issue for SI, I mean...honestly, it'd be like if the shoe was on the other foot and they asked me to write it. I'd LIKE to think I wouldn't be that asinine and my judgment wouldn't be so clouded, but.


I just hate whining about officiating ( I mean I am a steeler fan, right?). At some point, everyone gets screwed by the officials - everyone. People just think that their team gets it the worst. Me, I think the refs have an extremely difficult job and the fact they get as much right as they do is flat out amazing. I swear on a stack of bibles my honest opinion is the refs do the very best they can and favor no team over the other(really happy no one gets to frame by frame nitpick my job performance on a 50 inch plasma from a dozen high-def camera angles)
 
2012-03-12 05:46:55 PM

JohnBigBootay: I just hate whining about officiating


Well, I certainly complain about officials, lol, I can't deny that. It's just that I can't believe we have these big media people saying it's "entirely possible that the Vikings would've gone to the Super Bowl" if a hit that occurred at 1:59 to go in the 3rd quarter got flagged and no one's saying "okay, you've just flushed your credibility."
 
2012-03-12 05:57:56 PM
No, I had it right the first time. The inanity of this bullshiat has me turned inside out, lol, fark.

Oh, and the Saints are also one of the teams that got dinged along with the Redskins and Cowboys, we lost $1.6M in cap space for that. Greaaaaat.
 
2012-03-12 05:58:24 PM
hopefully another team puts a bounty on his ugly a$$ and ko's him into retirement

/my two pennies
 
2012-03-12 06:13:59 PM
Redskins got dinged for $36m cap, space, but spread across 2 years however they see fit. If they do the logical thing (never a given with the skins() and take $18m in 2012 ansd $18m in 2013, they have $24m cap space to try and fit in RG3, and apparently they want to pursue Vincent Jackson for him to throw to.

/Skins cut Sellers & Otogwe, are expected to lose LaRon Landry.
 
2012-03-12 06:16:40 PM

robsul82: an't believe we have these big media people saying it's "


Well, to say that's it's entirely possible is fine in my book. Of course it's very possible that one big play could change a game that ended in OT. I have no problem with that at all. To say that it definitely would have happened is another story. Imagine for a moment that you benefited from some calls in what ended up being a 12 point super bowl victory...
 
2012-03-12 06:18:22 PM
Vilma better not be toying with us on Twitter tweeting "we found out tomm nicks and dunbar are saints 4life" in response to a fan asking if there was any good news on Nicks, I shiat you not, lol.
 
2012-03-12 06:22:48 PM

JohnBigBootay: Well, to say that's it's entirely possible is fine in my book. Of course it's very possible that one big play could change a game that ended in OT. I have no problem with that at all. To say that it definitely would have happened is another story. Imagine for a moment that you benefited from some calls in what ended up being a 12 point super bowl victory...


17 minutes to go and a hit that would've introduced Tavaris Jackson into the game (remember, Favre needed help off the field after the high/low) is a bridge waaaaay too far for "entirely possible," in my view, especially compared to the tone set by his other articles, like the one implying disappointment that the NFL didn't vacate the Super Bowl.
 
2012-03-12 06:24:59 PM
Saints re-sign QB (new window)
 
2012-03-12 06:30:17 PM

JohnBigBootay: I just hate whining about officiating


There are times when it's absolutely justified:

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2012-03-12 06:38:15 PM

robsul82: 17 minutes to go and a hit that would've introduced Tavaris Jackson into the game (remember, Favre needed help off the field after the high/low) is a bridge waaaaay too far for "entirely possible,


Agree to disagree. I know you're a big fan but surely you can admit it's possible fer chrissakes - the saints barely got a win even without the call. As for TJ , he's no all-pro but he's won NFL games. Even a three and out in that scenario likely results in a FG for the Vikes. I have no beef with how it unfolded but yeah, it was entirely possible.
 
2012-03-12 06:38:51 PM

UNC_Samurai: There are times when it's absolutely justified:


OK, yeah, that one was pretty funny.
 
2012-03-12 06:44:09 PM

JohnBigBootay: Agree to disagree. I know you're a big fan but surely you can admit it's possible fer chrissakes - the saints barely got a win even without the call. As for TJ , he's no all-pro but he's won NFL games. Even a three and out in that scenario likely results in a FG for the Vikes. I have no beef with how it unfolded but yeah, it was entirely possible.


Eh, it's all in the tone. The guy couched it in okay terms, but like I said, with everything else he's said on the topic, how hyperbolic he's been, that he's an admitted Vikings fan himself...I think my reading into it's justified.
 
2012-03-12 07:21:50 PM

robsul82: Eh, it's all in the tone. The guy couched it in okay terms, but like I said, with everything else he's said on the topic, how hyperbolic he's been, that he's an admitted Vikings fan himself...I think my reading into it's justified.


I get what you're saying. The steelers won that SB by 12 points - to hear the hawks fans tell it there was a 40 point swing. No one knows what would have happened if calls went the other way but I certainly concede it's possible they could have won.
 
2012-03-12 07:34:29 PM

JohnBigBootay: I get what you're saying. The steelers won that SB by 12 points - to hear the hawks fans tell it there was a 40 point swing. No one knows what would have happened if calls went the other way but I certainly concede it's possible they could have won.


Yeah, I got your allusion to that SB before, lol. In the end, if his usage of "entirely possible" were in a vacuum, you know, it's one thing, but it's not. So yeah. Florio and PK and their weeping over what might've been can bite it.
 
2012-03-12 07:45:19 PM

robsul82: Yeah, I got your allusion to that SB before, lol. In the end, if his usage of "entirely possible" were in a vacuum, you know, it's one thing, but it's not. So yeah. Florio and PK and their weeping over what might've been can bite it.


Yeah. On the one hand I enjoy King's column. Because it's about football and I love football. On the other hand I get a little put off when he gets so caught up in his apple pie america player safety doing things the right way blah blah blah schtick. I don't even drink but I think he needs to get drunk and hook up with a stripper to balance out his humanity. Guy's so clean I doubt he has to wash his hands.
 
2012-03-12 08:44:24 PM
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2012-03-12 09:01:59 PM

JohnBigBootay: robsul82: Yeah, I got your allusion to that SB before, lol. In the end, if his usage of "entirely possible" were in a vacuum, you know, it's one thing, but it's not. So yeah. Florio and PK and their weeping over what might've been can bite it.

Yeah. On the one hand I enjoy King's column. Because it's about football


It really isn't. I used to enjoy King's column until I started reading the FJM-style takedowns on KSK, now I can't take him seriously as a football columnist.

Here's (new window) the most recent
 
2012-03-12 09:10:41 PM

JohnBigBootay: I get what you're saying. The steelers won that SB by 12 points - to hear the hawks fans tell it there was a 40 point swing


They won by 11. And the refs effectively took away a scoring drive from the Seahawks, which turned directly into the last TD for the Steelers thanks in part to Hasselbeck's "tackling is illegal" play.

/more upset because I had Seahawks +4, so I would've at least pushed if I get one of those TDs to go my way
 
2012-03-12 09:34:03 PM

IAmRight: They won by 11. And the refs effectively took away a scoring drive from the Seahawks, which turned directly into the last TD for the Steelers thanks in part to Hasselbeck's "tackling is illegal" play.


Don't forget the non TD they gave the Steelers in the 1st or 2nd quarter on Ben's QB sneak, too. Of course, it's quite possible they get the td on 4th down, and Cowher has said he would have gone for it, but that review was just sad.

I am absolutely convinced that the mafia got to Bill Leavy before that game, and threatened his family or something. It's the only possibly explanation for just about every one of those calls. Either that or Leavy and his friends/family just bet A LOT of money on the steelers
 
2012-03-12 11:18:21 PM

IAmRight: JohnBigBootay: I get what you're saying. The steelers won that SB by 12 points - to hear the hawks fans tell it there was a 40 point swing

They won by 11. And the refs effectively took away a scoring drive from the Seahawks, which turned directly into the last TD for the Steelers thanks in part to Hasselbeck's "tackling is illegal" play.

/more upset because I had Seahawks +4, so I would've at least pushed if I get one of those TDs to go my way


Gambling makes everything hurt more. That's why I only bet on other peoples teams. If My team wins, I'm already happy, if they lose and I lose a bet as well it makes it twice as bad. So I just quit betting on them altogether.
 
2012-03-13 07:19:43 PM

JohnBigBootay: Gambling makes everything hurt more. That's why I only bet on other peoples teams. If My team wins, I'm already happy, if they lose and I lose a bet as well it makes it twice as bad. So I just quit betting on them altogether.


Yeah I learned that well enough after that month of losing $500 on USC to beat Texas (didn't even feel confident laying the points, I knew the USC defense was sh*t that year) and then that Super Bowl.

Oh well, it was all money in a gambling account that I'd built from $100 on the other bowl games, at least. Plus it's only illegal to gamble online if you actually win something, right? Otherwise it's being taken in by a scam. Help! I was fleeced!
 
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