Wow, bootlickers just coming out of the woodwork in this thread.

Giltric: Weaver95: Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.

no, that's amature hour. the real pro-tip is - make it impossible for people to obey the laws and you can control the population more effectively.

whats so impossible about not raping or killing someone else?

They managed to avoid raping you....or have they?

None of this crap has anything to do with the fact that they are locking up too many people for too much petty shiat. I can't afford to lock up every minor miscreant that some middle class punk is scared of. I believe in low taxes and small government, and I say open the prisons up and let you soft-ass bourgie punks take your chances.
Why should I be obligated to pay for some cowards safety? Protect your own crappy little pile of property - stop expecting me to take care of your every need, cradle to grave, like some kind of welfare bum.

CliChe Guevara: CliChe Guevara: i would have thought that your conservative desire to oppose the increasing and unnecessary intrusion of government into private lives would trump your conservative desire to see brown people and gays locked up.

self-bumping, because i actually really want to see an answer to this

Wow, we lock people up for being brown, and/or gay?

They haven't come for me yet, and I fit that description. Why? Don't they think I'm brown or gay enough?

I'd be outraged if we had more than 3% of our population incarcerated, there always a 10% that should be locked up in some manner, just to protect society, or themselves from predation.

You choose to commit crimes. You choose to go to prison. There's no such thing as an unfair punishment or prison rape because all criminals concented to prison by committing crimes.

Road Rash: studebaker hoch Can someone tell me why legalizing and taxing recreational drugs would make the existing problems worse?

Because the same people who can't hold a job down because they're high all the time, or make mistakes and get fired because they can't concentrate, or just get to lazy or stoned to go out and put in an honest day's labor will continue to have the problem with legalized drugs - maybe more, if drugs become legalized and more people try it.

These people will continue to get money to buy legalized drugs that they do now - by stealing, assaulting, robbing, etc.

Why, you ask? Because some people can't keep their 'recreational' use at a recreational level. Because some people feel they're entitled to things they don't earn. Because our culture of instant gratification will continue to feed this. And more. ... and then some people will say, "Well, let's just give them the drugs so they won't have to steal." I, for one, do not feel I should be obligated to pay for someone else's bad habit (literally) and everything else that goes along with it.

That is complete nonsense.

Giltric: pro tip....don't break the law.

MrHelpful: Dont break the law and you'll be just fine.

Tatsuma: Or, wait, no, because they committed crimes and are now paying for them.

The Innocence Project (new window)

Center on Wrongful Convictions (new window)

False Arrests, Convictions, and Imprisonments (new window)

The Top 5 Most Wrongful Executions Of All-Time (new window)

Implanting False Memories & False Confessions (new window)

Sure. Don't commit any crimes; don't break the law. You'll be just fine. I just hope that you're never wrongly identified by a witness (new window), or that you never slip up when interviewed by the police (new window), or that if you are ever interviewed, the police's memory of the interview isn't faulty, or they don't judge your character harshly (he seemed shifty to me, that's how I knew he was guilty), or they don't lie on the stand (new window). And I hope that if they do commit perjury, they're caught and your case is overturned; of course, you might have to spend months or years in jail or prison before your case is overturned, like these people did (new window). And I hope that if you are ever in a situation like that, you aren't subjected to having false memories implanted in your mind. I hope that your children aren't subjected to false memories, and then charge you of committing child rape against them (new window). I hope you never confess to a crime you didn't commit, like these people did (new window). I hope that when an accident occurs, the evidence isn't falsely interpreted (intentionally or not), and if that happens, I hope you are not convicted for it, like this person was (new window).

And I hope that if you are ever interviewed by the police, you don't incriminate yourself.

And above all, I hope that if you are ever accused of a crime in the US, that you hire a competent lawyer and take advantage of our laws, because the deck is stacked against you. I hope that you follow this Law Professor's advice, and you "Don't Talk to the Police" (new window).

But in the case that you are ever wrongfully convicted, I hope that you can reverse the conviction in a timely manner. It's hard to do. Some courts actively believe that post-conviction evidence doesn't mean anything, and will actively try to prevent you from having a post-conviction trial (new window).

And then, after all that, I hope that if you are wrongfully convicted, you'll be allowed access to new technology which may prove your innocence, because some people aren't: "Few offices have fought post-conviction evidence with as much gusto as the Lake County state's attorney's office, which is coming under increased scrutiny for an alarming number of [perceived] wrongful convictions" (new window).

But just remember, even if all of this happens, you'll be safe, because you didn't break the law.

Animatronik: we have encouraged policies that increase out-of-wedlock births

Yep, its always the sluts fault.

Spaced Lion: Follow the money.

This is the appropriate response to pretty much 90% of everything on this forum. We're a nation of cannibals and we sacrifice anything that holds still long enough to god money. Some people would bone their own sainted mother up the sh*tter for god money. God money's not concerned about the sick amongst the pure.

unmonkey: Wow, bootlickers just coming out of the woodwork in this thread.

They're like trailer park cockroaches, turn out the lights and they stream out of the woodwork

Oops. I got those last two links mixed up. Sorry.

We need to re-segregate prisons. Liberals should get on board with this because it is the only humane thing to do...


Black on White male rape in prisons
from TFA: "Best estimates put the annual number of prison rapes at about 140,000, which is 50,000 more than the 90,000 or so rapes of women reported to police. ....There is an ugly racial dimension to prison rape: Blacks and Mexicans deliberately seek out white victims, and black-on-white rape is probably more common than any other kind. Prison rape is an appalling secret in a country that prides itself on human rights."



Chilling stories:

Some whites must choose between being the sex slave of one man or facing repeated assault. The stories they told No Escape read like nightmares:

"I had no choice but to submit to being Inmate B's prison wife. Out of fear for my life, I submitted to sucking his dick, being farked in my ass, and performing other duties as a woman, such as making his bed. In all reality, I was his slave. I determined I'd be better off to willingly have sex with one person, than I would be to face violence and rape by multiple people. The most tragic part to this is that the person I chose to be with has AIDS."

A different inmate describes how he became a black man's ho.

"You will clean the house, he said, have my clothes clean, and when I'm ready to get my "freak" [sex] no arguments or there will be a punishment! I will, he said, let my homeboys have you or I'll just sale you off. Do we have an understanding? With fear, misery, and confusion inside me. I said yes."

"I've been sentenced for a D.U.I. offense. My 3rd one. I'm a tall white male, who unfortunately has a small amount of feminine characteristics. And very shy. These characteristics have got me raped so many times I have no more feelings physically. I have been raped by up to 5 black men at a time. I probably have AIDS now. I have great difficulty raising food to my mouth from shaking after nightmares or thinking so hard on all this. I've laid down without a physical fight to be sodomized. To prevent so much damage in struggles, ripping and tearing. Though in not fighting, it caused my heart and spirit to be raped as well. Something I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself for."


Actually you white liberals probably get off on these stories.

MrHelpful: Weaver95: Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.

no, that's amature hour. the real pro-tip is - make it impossible for people to obey the laws and you can control the population more effectively.

I, and the overwhelming majority of Americans (30 out of 31 Americans using the numbers provided in the article) have no problem what so ever obeying laws. Heck, even 14 out of 15 blacks don't have a problem obeying laws. Therefore, your claim that someone "makes it impossible for people to obey the laws" is specious at best and idiotic at worst.

There may be some elements of this issue which could benefit from intelligent discussion however overwrought rhetoric such as yours makes that kind of discussion very difficult.

Dont break the law and you'll be just fine.

"They came for the pot smokers, but I said nothing because I was not a pot smoker"

Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

When we decided that black-on-black crime was worth prosecuting.

unmonkey: Wow, bootlickers just coming out of the woodwork in this thread.

It's really disheartening, and they've been immunized from development by the misguided notion that they're free thinking and logical. Look at that new twat talking about 'following the facts'.

Jesus Christ, they've statistically marginalized real independent thought to insignificance.

Scerpes: Kimothy: Scerpes: Drug users rarely go to prison, especially for their first offense. Drug dealers go to prison. Claiming they're not destructive ignores all of the damage that they do to the lives of other people.
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Yes they do, there are mandatory sentences. Not to mention that anyone carrying over an ounce (and sometimes a fraction of that) is generally charged with intent to distribute. The police (and then the DA's office) are great at making one minor crime into multiple crimes.

//My dad and uncle were cops. It was their goal to throw as many charges as possible, because the arrested person would be forced to plea down to something and they'd all pat themselves on the back for getting criminals off the streets.

Mandatory sentences at the federal level are for large quantities - far greater than personal use. I suppose it's possible that some state has started using mandatory sentences for small amounts, but I'd be surprised. They simply wouldn't have the available space.

And just so you know, an ounce is quite a bit - far more than what would typically be considered personal use.

You know how I know you don't know any potheads?

It's because most Americans are criminals.

DavidVincent: We need to re-segregate prisons. Liberals should get on board with this because it is the only humane thing to do...


Black on White male rape in prisons
from TFA: "Best estimates put the annual number of prison rapes at about 140,000, which is 50,000 more than the 90,000 or so rapes of women reported to police. ....There is an ugly racial dimension to prison rape: Blacks and Mexicans deliberately seek out white victims, and black-on-white rape is probably more common than any other kind. Prison rape is an appalling secret in a country that prides itself on human rights."



Chilling stories:

Some whites must choose between being the sex slave of one man or facing repeated assault. The stories they told No Escape read like nightmares:

"I had no choice but to submit to being Inmate B's prison wife. Out of fear for my life, I submitted to sucking his dick, being farked in my ass, and performing other duties as a woman, such as making his bed. In all reality, I was his slave. I determined I'd be better off to willingly have sex with one person, than I would be to face violence and rape by multiple people. The most tragic part to this is that the person I chose to be with has AIDS."

A different inmate describes how he became a black man's ho.

"You will clean the house, he said, have my clothes clean, and when I'm ready to get my "freak" [sex] no arguments or there will be a punishment! I will, he said, let my homeboys have you or I'll just sale you off. Do we have an understanding? With fear, misery, and confusion inside me. I said yes."

"I've been sentenced for a D.U.I. offense. My 3rd one. I'm a tall white male, who unfortunately has a small amount of feminine characteristics. And very shy. These characteristics have got me raped so many times I have no more feelings physically. I have been raped by up to 5 black men at a time. I probably have AIDS now. I have great difficulty raising food to my mouth from shaking after nightmares or thinking so hard on all this. I've laid down without a physical fight to be sodomized. To prevent so much damage in struggles, ripping and tearing. Though in not fighting, it caused my heart and spirit to be raped as well. Something I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself for."


Actually you white liberals probably get off on these stories.

It's not rape. Criminals don't commit crimes by accident. If you choose prison, you choose "prison rape".

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Obvious tag in solitary confinement?

Yep. Doing a 5 year stint for cultivating 3 cannabis plants in its backyard.

Kimothy: Slam1263: So, since someone is charging money to house the ne'er do wells, we should be outraged?

$10,000 a year for the average state aid given to a family of 4 Vs the $36,000 we spend on the average prisoner.

Yeah, just let them loose, they learned their lessons, and will never do harm again.

It's funny. They charge $36 k per year to house a single prisoner. My school gets less than $5K per year per student. Imagine what we could do with 36k? (Not that schools need that much money per student - but seriously, spread that from elementary to college and we could pay for 22+ years of schooling for everyone).

Move to Watfington State, with the Fed money included, it $14,000 a year per student. And we are rated #24 in scholastic achievement.

Mouser: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

When we decided that black-on-black crime was worth prosecuting.

Got Mittuns?

JerkyMeat: And your GOP neighbor is to blame.

Guess which party is busting medical marijuana dispensaries and threatening to arrest civil servants responsible for enforcing state medical marijuana laws.

Kimothy: DavidVincent: Wall of Crap

You are abhorrent.


Nice rebuttal!

Fortress - (1992 film) it's a CEOverlord's wet dream.

inkblot: You choose to commit crimes. You choose to go to prison. There's no such thing as an unfair punishment or prison rape because all criminals concented to prison by committing crimes.

I know if I am ever accused of a crime I didn't commit I want you on my jury.

fritton: inkblot: You choose to commit crimes. You choose to go to prison. There's no such thing as an unfair punishment or prison rape because all criminals concented to prison by committing crimes.

Protip: When your first attempt at trolling fails hard.. try to change it up a little bit the second time instead of just rewording it.

This isn't the Politics tab. You're not going to find a liberal circlejerk here.

Rehabilitate the ones that can be rehabilitated, shoot the ones who can't and sell them as mulch, deball the rapists, execute the murderers, and scrape the sh*t stains off of the fabric of society. Nothing else will actually work, but there's no money in that, is there? Crime is an industry and the people who profit from it have no interest in abating crime.

wraith95: Scerpes: Kimothy: Scerpes: Drug users rarely go to prison, especially for their first offense. Drug dealers go to prison. Claiming they're not destructive ignores all of the damage that they do to the lives of other people.
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Yes they do, there are mandatory sentences. Not to mention that anyone carrying over an ounce (and sometimes a fraction of that) is generally charged with intent to distribute. The police (and then the DA's office) are great at making one minor crime into multiple crimes.

//My dad and uncle were cops. It was their goal to throw as many charges as possible, because the arrested person would be forced to plea down to something and they'd all pat themselves on the back for getting criminals off the streets.

Mandatory sentences at the federal level are for large quantities - far greater than personal use. I suppose it's possible that some state has started using mandatory sentences for small amounts, but I'd be surprised. They simply wouldn't have the available space.

And just so you know, an ounce is quite a bit - far more than what would typically be considered personal use.

You know how I know you don't know any potheads?

No, no, he's right. Why would anyone ever buy a commodity with a long shelf life in bulk in order to save money and reduce frequency of purchase? It would be silly.

wraith95: Scerpes: Kimothy: Scerpes: Drug users rarely go to prison, especially for their first offense. Drug dealers go to prison. Claiming they're not destructive ignores all of the damage that they do to the lives of other people.
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Yes they do, there are mandatory sentences. Not to mention that anyone carrying over an ounce (and sometimes a fraction of that) is generally charged with intent to distribute. The police (and then the DA's office) are great at making one minor crime into multiple crimes.

//My dad and uncle were cops. It was their goal to throw as many charges as possible, because the arrested person would be forced to plea down to something and they'd all pat themselves on the back for getting criminals off the streets.

Mandatory sentences at the federal level are for large quantities - far greater than personal use. I suppose it's possible that some state has started using mandatory sentences for small amounts, but I'd be surprised. They simply wouldn't have the available space.

And just so you know, an ounce is quite a bit - far more than what would typically be considered personal use.

You know how I know you don't know any potheads?

No kidding, when I had a dealer I was averaging around an ounce a month. You can easily use even more if you cook with it.

fritton: DavidVincent: We need to re-segregate prisons. Liberals should get on board with this because it is the only humane thing to do...



I think it's kind of hilarious that you look at stories about systemic, institutionalized rape and torture in American government run institutions and your solution to is to: "Segregate 'em".


Really? We could solve this tragedy in a month. What's your idea?

I love how person A says "We have too many non-violent criminals in jail" and person B always responds "Why do you want to let rapists and murderers out of jail?"

/typical of Farm
//luckily usually contained in the politics tab

Leverage addressed this in the episode where they tried to break Nate Ford out of the privately owned prison.

Who's going to disagree with Team Leverage? Fools, I would say, FOOLS.

So called "criminal justice" is just another tax-gobbling, big government, nanny-state boondoggle.
"Just let us drain the public coffers dry building jails and hiring cops, and we'll keep you SAFE from all the BAD PEOPLE!"
And dumbassed, yellow-bellied taxpayers buy it every time. We'd be better off closing most of the jails down, and firing most of the cops.
I can take care of myself - and if you can't, you are contemptible for your weakness.
I'm tired of being bled dry by the government to protect weaklings and cowards who can't be bothered to protect themselves or their worthless, petty possessions.
It's socialism and nanny-state liberalism in it's most vile and toxic form.

So Fark is now the place where Freepers come to pretend they have money and brains. Keep practicing.

jso2897: I can take care of myself - and if you can't, you are contemptible for your weakness.
I'm tired of being bled dry by the government to protect weaklings and cowards who can't be bothered to protect themselves or their worthless, petty


So everybody but tough monkeys and criminals should just slip beneath the wheels? What about 8 year old girls?

Profitable for whom? Often, over the long run, it's not profitable for the taxpayers. Recently, private prinon company Corrections Corporation of America approached most of the states with offers to buy the prisons in exchange for law enforcement guaranteeing that the prisons would be filled. No conflict here. Unbelievably, even conservative states turned them down.

The answer is simple. And ugly. And morally inconvenient. So don't hold your breath and pay those taxes, citizen.