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2012-03-11 04:18:29 PM
Yah, I think of these stats every time someone says we are the "Land of the Free" or that terrorists hate us because of our "freedoms".

We can't be all that "free" relative to the rest of the world if more of our people are specifically NOT free and instead are in cages like animals. (Though many people DO need to be in cages, just not one out of 10 of us over the course of our lifetimes)

It wouldn't even be such a huge problem if we didn't effectively black ball the huge percentage of our people who eventually do spend some time in jail.

Cool story bro time: I do web marketing for a living now and I was asked by a person to google "bury" any stories about his conviction for fraud just so he had a *chance* to get a job. In checking out his issue it turns out he exaggerated his income on a loan application and when the economy took a nose dive he couldn't pay the loan back. He then made the mistake of talking to the investigator. (Don't ever do this)

Now, I understand what he did was wrong. It may even rise to the level of "theft" depending upon how you feel about it, but now he can't get a job *anywhere* and probably for the rest of his life. Companies simply won't hire felons. His future is completely ruined because of one stupid mistake he made on some paperwork somewhere.

What do we honestly think that people are going to end up doing if they can't get a job anywhere? They'll end up right back in prison, potentially for something violent this time.
 
2012-03-11 04:19:12 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-11 04:19:42 PM
Driving home from work i heard a snippet of sound from a news story on the radio that went just like this


" private company agrees to buy states prisons and run them as long as state promises to keep them full, more at the top of the hour.... "
 
2012-03-11 04:19:47 PM

Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?


Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.
 
2012-03-11 04:21:05 PM
Just like the military, it's a racket.
 
2012-03-11 04:22:10 PM

Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.


no, that's amature hour. the real pro-tip is - make it impossible for people to obey the laws and you can control the population more effectively.
 
2012-03-11 04:22:21 PM

GAT_00: We imprison more people today than ever before, and the number of people imprisoned increases every year,


start at year 0....100 people get sentenced to 10 year terms....in year 2... 30 people are sentenced to 10 year terms.....

Gat asks in year 3 why more people are in prison then ever before.


/can't explain that.....
 
2012-03-11 04:22:35 PM
 
2012-03-11 04:22:45 PM
B.S. I've been assured it's because we're "tough on crime©".
 
2012-03-11 04:23:11 PM

Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.


Pro tip. Don't criminalize everything.
 
2012-03-11 04:23:22 PM

Weaver95: Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.

no, that's amature hour. the real pro-tip is - make it impossible for people to obey the laws and you can control the population more effectively.


whats so impossible about not raping or killing someone else?

They managed to avoid raping you....or have they?
 
2012-03-11 04:24:36 PM

Spaced Lion: The real sad part is that this is just now occurring to people.

Ever wonder what really drove the recent demonization of illegal immigrants? Follow the money.


Recent demonetization of illegal immigrants? How do people profit from the hatred of illegals?

Explain.
 
2012-03-11 04:25:06 PM

Giltric: whats so impossible about not raping or killing someone else?

They managed to avoid raping you....or have they?


read up on what happened in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. that's where i'm coming from on this issue.
 
2012-03-11 04:27:32 PM

DavidVincent: Tatsuma: Or, wait, no, because they committed crimes and are now paying for them.


OMFG. Tatsuma and I agree.


And both of you are failing to mention that you're both felons somewhere. You just haven't been caught yet. I will quite honestly make you a bet that in just going about the regular course of your lives you have both probably committed at least 3 felonies that have minimum jail terms associated with them. Not only that, your mother has too.. So has your dad.. so has your grandmother.

We have so many ridiculous laws that is basically impossible to avoid breaking them. It's designed that way.

I myself once got a traffic ticket and paid it off late. I had my license suspended. When I received the notice in the mail (sent to me by regular mail to my old address by the way) I used the automated phone system to pay it off with my debit card. I received a confirmation number and never received any other notice.

Turns out however there's a $5 "reinstatement" fee that the automated system doesn't even mention. So even with my receipt my license stayed suspended for about 3 years until I was pulled over again for a minor fix-it issue. Yup, I got arrested and cuffed in front of my family and had to go get booked in, bonded out and eventually go to court to defend myself. I ended up paying $50 and my insurance went way up for bit. This isn't a big deal except that if it had happened where I live now, it's a felony. I would have had to defend myself against felony charges and if convicted I would end up with no prospects except working menial labor until I gave up and threw myself off a cliff or something.

Bottom line again: If you aren't a felon now, it's because you haven't been caught yet.
 
2012-03-11 04:27:50 PM

Giltric: GAT_00: We imprison more people today than ever before, and the number of people imprisoned increases every year,

start at year 0....100 people get sentenced to 10 year terms....in year 2... 30 people are sentenced to 10 year terms.....

Gat asks in year 3 why more people are in prison then ever before.


/can't explain that.....




Totally normal graph there.
 
2012-03-11 04:27:57 PM

King Something: ///it was a play on that quote by that guy who said he'd rather see a hundred guilty people set free than one innocent person locked up


Yeah. THAT guy.
 
rpm
2012-03-11 04:28:19 PM

Giltric: whats so impossible about not raping or killing someone else?


That's easy. Chances are you've broken plenty of laws in the past few minutes (everything on your computer licensed?, you're all paid up and obeying the EULA?)

Hell, you could make the case that you're cyberbullying weaver95. Ready for PMITA time?
 
2012-03-11 04:28:31 PM

Kurmudgeon: Ricardo Klement: How it's profitable for the state is not made clear.

For the state, it's probably not. For certain individuals however....


When was the last time any one has seen a prison budget?
Who is accountable for making sure prison budgets are being spent correctly?
Everything going on behind those walls, is completely hidden from view and knowledge.

Someone[s] is making money. Lots of it. Lots.
 
2012-03-11 04:28:32 PM

GAT_00: Giltric: GAT_00: We imprison more people today than ever before, and the number of people imprisoned increases every year,

start at year 0....100 people get sentenced to 10 year terms....in year 2... 30 people are sentenced to 10 year terms.....

Gat asks in year 3 why more people are in prison then ever before.


/can't explain that.....



Totally normal graph there.


Bah.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-03-11 04:28:44 PM
It is a shame when people who claim to be brave and strong are fearful of everything they see and hear. They willing give up their powers to hide behind police and politicians in exchange for safety. When those who are supposed to provide for our safety turn corrupt we turn a blind eye and make up excuses for them. Poor America, poor America it is a shame we fight wars just so we can lock up people we fear and support the corruption we fear in others. No wonder this country is going down the drain there is no longer a spine to support it.
 
2012-03-11 04:29:13 PM

Weaver95: Giltric: whats so impossible about not raping or killing someone else?

They managed to avoid raping you....or have they?

read up on what happened in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. that's where i'm coming from on this issue.


If you got yourself to the point where you have to appear before a judge for anything then you have farked up.....no offense....but control your behavior and try to keep yourself from having to appear in front of a magistrate.


Truly a horrible scenario if its the 2 judges who were sending kids away for kickbacks....but the kids ended up in a court room for some reason...the judge didn't send ninjas out to randomly kidnap kids in the middle of the night so they could be forced to appear in his court room.
 
2012-03-11 04:30:07 PM
Tatsuma:

Or, wait, no, because they committed crimes and are now paying for them.

that's why, hopefully in a near future, simple possession of marijuana will not be seen as a crime worth sending people to jail for, either fines or nothing at all.


So, as long as it's the law, there's nothing wrong with persecuting a group of people??

For as much as you whine about the oppression of the tribe, you should be the last one to suggest that something becomes justified and correct as soon as it's made illegal.

The Jews committed the crime of being Jewish in Germany under the Nazis. They paid for their crimes. It's good that the law was changed later on, but while they were being killed, there was nothing wrong with it.
 
rpm
2012-03-11 04:30:29 PM

Giltric: the judge didn't send ninjas out to randomly kidnap kids in the middle of the night so they could be forced to appear in his court room.


No, they send them to randomly harass law abiding reporters instead.
 
2012-03-11 04:30:54 PM

Giltric: Truly a horrible scenario if its the 2 judges who were sending kids away for kickbacks....but the kids ended up in a court room for some reason...the judge didn't send ninjas out to randomly kidnap kids in the middle of the night so they could be forced to appear in his court room.


well no, they sent the cops out. ninjas are expensive in Central Pennsylvania. And EVERY kid the cops brought in ended up doing jail time. Each and every single kid.
 
2012-03-11 04:31:11 PM

Kimothy: There's already a book (new window)on the subject.

It's profitable, and it serves the interest of some segments of society.

/It's a national embarrassment.


I saved the only part that's absolutely correct.

We have more lawbreakers than we did 40 years ago. Why? Probably a number of reasons. At least one of them is that we have become a society of consumers rather than communities, we have encouraged policies that increase out-of-wedlock births, and we have a subculture that glorifies crime in some lower class and ghetto communities. When your whole life is cosumed by what you want instead of what you need, what you take instead of what you give, then the number of lawbreakers will increase. We're not talking about Les Miserables here. Unless you're trying to argue that most people in jail were framed.

If you're worried about why stiff sentences are handed out, look to the judiciary and communities. Prisons exist to enforce punishment, they don't get to decide the punishment. IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, LIBS, unless you're wearing a tinfoil hat. If there is some complicity between judges and for-profit prisons, then those judges should be in jail themselves like Ciavarealla:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mark-ciavarella-pa-juvenile-court-judge-conv i cted-alleged/story?id=12965182
 
2012-03-11 04:33:29 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: If giving Americans free room and board is profitable. Sign me up!


the private prison industry is hugely profitable. the fifth-largest corporation in the country is a prison operator. they make their money through using the inmates forced labor to produce almost every imaginable good in large manufacturing facilities, free of salaries and benefits and osha laws.

this no longer involves limited things like license plates. in fact, any business can contract with them to produce products for them. many companies have parts or complete products made by prisoners. you should think about that next time you see the increasing number of toys and tools and the like marked "made in usa". you can guess where they likely came from. go to the website, you can submit specs for your companies product and they will bid on producing them.

you can imagine the impact they have on normal american manufacturing businesses unable to compete for contracts to produce goods due to having a competitor that is not only subsidized by the taxpayers but doesn't even have to pay its laborers. in fact, to stay afloat, often those businesses have to contract with the private prisons themselves, exacerbating and expanding the problem.

in short, the demand for prisoners is rising. we can compete with china by imprisoning even more people and treating them as even cheaper and more disposable labor than china can.
the rest of us, temporarily, as long as we are lucky enough not to be in the new 'prisoner caste', can benefit from this somewhat. well, other than living under the increasing militarization of police forces, and laws written so broadly as to include almost everyone as a criminal - laws that are estimated to now mean every adult in the us is estimated to currently be guilty of an average of three imprisonable offences per day.
as almost everyone is technically guilty, selective prosecution is becoming more relied upon to reduce the number of arrests than actual violation of any law since almost everyone is technically a violator. the end result of this is likely very inevitably going to be a chilling effect - no one wanting to draw any attention to themselves under fear of becoming a target. you are already seeing this in some places and it is only going to increase.
 
2012-03-11 04:34:03 PM
Time to repost this: The Prison-Industrial Complex from the Atlantic Monthly.
 
2012-03-11 04:36:15 PM

Giltric: Weaver95: Giltric: whats so impossible about not raping or killing someone else?

They managed to avoid raping you....or have they?

read up on what happened in Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. that's where i'm coming from on this issue.

If you got yourself to the point where you have to appear before a judge for anything then you have farked up.....no offense....but control your behavior and try to keep yourself from having to appear in front of a magistrate.


Truly a horrible scenario if its the 2 judges who were sending kids away for kickbacks....but the kids ended up in a court room for some reason...the judge didn't send ninjas out to randomly kidnap kids in the middle of the night so they could be forced to appear in his court room.


You're an ignorant dick and are too stupid with whom to converse.
 
2012-03-11 04:36:20 PM

Weaver95: Giltric: Truly a horrible scenario if its the 2 judges who were sending kids away for kickbacks....but the kids ended up in a court room for some reason...the judge didn't send ninjas out to randomly kidnap kids in the middle of the night so they could be forced to appear in his court room.

well no, they sent the cops out. ninjas are expensive in Central Pennsylvania. And EVERY kid the cops brought in ended up doing jail time. Each and every single kid.


OK....so don't do anything that would leave your life in the hands of a judge or 12 jurors.
 
2012-03-11 04:36:37 PM

fritton: DavidVincent: Tatsuma: Or, wait, no, because they committed crimes and are now paying for them.


OMFG. Tatsuma and I agree.

And both of you are failing to mention that you're both felons somewhere. You just haven't been caught yet. I will quite honestly make you a bet that in just going about the regular course of your lives you have both probably committed at least 3 felonies that have minimum jail terms associated with them. Not only that, your mother has too.. So has your dad.. so has your grandmother.

We have so many ridiculous laws that is basically impossible to avoid breaking them. It's designed that way.

I myself once got a traffic ticket and paid it off late. I had my license suspended. When I received the notice in the mail (sent to me by regular mail to my old address by the way) I used the automated phone system to pay it off with my debit card. I received a confirmation number and never received any other notice.

Turns out however there's a $5 "reinstatement" fee that the automated system doesn't even mention. So even with my receipt my license stayed suspended for about 3 years until I was pulled over again for a minor fix-it issue. Yup, I got arrested and cuffed in front of my family and had to go get booked in, bonded out and eventually go to court to defend myself. I ended up paying $50 and my insurance went way up for bit. This isn't a big deal except that if it had happened where I live now, it's a felony. I would have had to defend myself against felony charges and if convicted I would end up with no prospects except working menial labor until I gave up and threw myself off a cliff or something.

Bottom line again: If you aren't a felon now, it's because you haven't been caught yet.



There is some truth to that.
I would like to see drug legalized,,,, but not have to pay for druggies' upkeep.

I do want violent people locked up. I also want people that rip off other peoples' houses locked up. There is a shiatload of bad people that I don't want running around my town.
 
2012-03-11 04:37:01 PM

Weaver95: Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.

no, that's amature hour. the real pro-tip is - make it impossible for people to obey the laws and you can control the population more effectively.


I, and the overwhelming majority of Americans (30 out of 31 Americans using the numbers provided in the article) have no problem what so ever obeying laws. Heck, even 14 out of 15 blacks don't have a problem obeying laws. Therefore, your claim that someone "makes it impossible for people to obey the laws" is specious at best and idiotic at worst.

There may be some elements of this issue which could benefit from intelligent discussion however overwrought rhetoric such as yours makes that kind of discussion very difficult.

Dont break the law and you'll be just fine.
 
2012-03-11 04:37:10 PM

Tatsuma: Or, wait, no, because they committed crimes and are now paying for them.


Really? That's what you took away from TFA?
Really?
 
2012-03-11 04:37:27 PM
Cause certain people will riot over a sale of sneakers
 
2012-03-11 04:37:29 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.

Pro tip. Don't criminalize everything.


Drama queen alert.

Stop exagerrating.
 
2012-03-11 04:37:35 PM

Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.


I work in schools. School districts all over the country have put police in schools out of fear of lawsuits from parents, over their need to control students, for lots of reasons. As a result, this generation of students has more interactions with police than any generation that has come before it. I know, as a teacher, that fully 75-80% of my students have negative interactions with the police (I work in a school for at-risk kids). Students who get in fights are charged with assault, unlike 20 years ago, when they were lectured, suspended, forced to apologize and then got on with their lives. They are labeled criminals before they've even had a chance to live as adults. They are charged as adults when they are 12, 13, 14 years old, and serve sentences in adult prisons. There, they learn a healthy hatred of the police, the law, the system. Once in the system, it is nearly impossible to get out. The rules for probation are not only designed to keep you within the system, they are incredibly biased against the poor (people on probation are inundated with fees, fines, and other expenses, not to mention that whenever they apply for a job, they have to get permission from the company to have their probation officer swing by whenever s/he pleases - most companies just refuse to hire them, so when they can't pay their fines, or fees, they are popped back into jail). It is legal to discriminate against anyone with a criminal record, even if that record was gained for a fight in junior high or high school, and people are rarely given a chance to explain to a potential employer what happened when they were 14 and charged as an adult.

I'd love to meet the person that's never broken a law. The laws are SET UP to be broken. Our legal system is designed to be punitive and control behavior.
 
2012-03-11 04:38:38 PM
I blame increased prison rates on the manufacturers of pseudoephedrine.

No cold medicine. No meth. No meth addicts. No rapists/deranged murderers.
 
2012-03-11 04:39:05 PM
Question could also be asked as "Why is marijuana illegal?"
 
2012-03-11 04:39:17 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Giltric: Kimothy: Again, I have to ask - when did America become a country of criminals?

Well we are a nation of laws....if you have enough people who break the law we wind up becoming a nation of criminals.


pro tip....don't break the law.

Pro tip. Don't criminalize everything.


Exactly - stay away from Texass. traffic issues that used to be " please get that taken care of " are now Class B items that will get your ass in jail and sent to county. Especially in Plano Texas

There are laws in place that are like speed traps - you don't know you owe the state of texas any money until you get sent off to jail

we are talking about traffic issues - not Crimes - where fines exist penalties grow all without your knowledge all legal - all they have to do is say they sent you a letter (to an address that you haven't been at for 8 years !) - too bad .
 
2012-03-11 04:39:27 PM

Animatronik: We have more lawbreakers than we did 40 years ago. Why? Probably a number of reasons.


maybe because we have increased the number and scope of laws to make everyone a "lawbreaker"?

as a conservative i would think you would oppose that. kind of like 25000+ contradictory laws involving gun ownership that make everyone a criminal regardless of how you try to obey them all.
i would have thought that your coservative desire to oppose the increasing and unnecessary intrusion of government into private lives would trump your conservative desire to see brown people and gays locked up.
maybe not, as you may be one of those 'new' conservatives.
 
2012-03-11 04:39:37 PM

Giltric: Weaver95: Giltric: Truly a horrible scenario if its the 2 judges who were sending kids away for kickbacks....but the kids ended up in a court room for some reason...the judge didn't send ninjas out to randomly kidnap kids in the middle of the night so they could be forced to appear in his court room.

well no, they sent the cops out. ninjas are expensive in Central Pennsylvania. And EVERY kid the cops brought in ended up doing jail time. Each and every single kid.

OK....so don't do anything that would leave your life in the hands of a judge or 12 jurors.


many of those kids didn't break any laws. the cops just scooped 'em up, put them in front of a judge and then off to jail they went.
 
2012-03-11 04:40:10 PM

Ricardo Klement: An awful lot of prisons are not privately run. This accusation has been around almost longer than privatized prisons. How it's profitable for the state is not made clear.


Well, lessee.....

The number of guards it hires, the number of other people employed in service & support positions, the industries that provide everything from the sheets on the beds to the meals to the bolts that hold the cots to the floors, the administration and support staff for THEM, an entire bureaucracy to train, develop and administer the whole Department of Corrections from the top down....

It is EXTREMELY profitable for the state. It keeps a shiatload of people employed and off the dole, paying taxes and contributing to the economy. So yeah, just not in the way you're thinking.
 
2012-03-11 04:41:08 PM

fritton: DavidVincent: Tatsuma: Or, wait, no, because they committed crimes and are now paying for them.


OMFG. Tatsuma and I agree.

And both of you are failing to mention that you're both felons somewhere. You just haven't been caught yet. I will quite honestly make you a bet that in just going about the regular course of your lives you have both probably committed at least 3 felonies that have minimum jail terms associated with them. Not only that, your mother has too.. So has your dad.. so has your grandmother.

We have so many ridiculous laws that is basically impossible to avoid breaking them. It's designed that way.

I myself once got a traffic ticket and paid it off late. I had my license suspended. When I received the notice in the mail (sent to me by regular mail to my old address by the way) I used the automated phone system to pay it off with my debit card. I received a confirmation number and never received any other notice.

Turns out however there's a $5 "reinstatement" fee that the automated system doesn't even mention. So even with my receipt my license stayed suspended for about 3 years until I was pulled over again for a minor fix-it issue. Yup, I got arrested and cuffed in front of my family and had to go get booked in, bonded out and eventually go to court to defend myself. I ended up paying $50 and my insurance went way up for bit. This isn't a big deal except that if it had happened where I live now, it's a felony. I would have had to defend myself against felony charges and if convicted I would end up with no prospects except working menial labor until I gave up and threw myself off a cliff or something.

Bottom line again: If you aren't a felon now, it's because you haven't been caught yet.


My criminal record consists of an arrest for Failure to Pay Fines because I forgot to pay a $10 PARKING TICKET. They issued an arrest warrant, I found the ticket, went to court to pay itand was informed I had a warrant. 4 hours and $50 dollars later, I have a criminal record.
 
2012-03-11 04:42:06 PM

Tatsuma: Kimothy: Of course! And behaviors that were perfectly acceptable even 20 years ago haven't been criminalized AT ALL!

Infanticide was a perfectly acceptable behavior not so long ago, and yet it is now criminalized.

Values in a society changes, sometimes for the best.


that's why, hopefully in a near future, simple possession of marijuana will not be seen as a crime worth sending people to jail for, either fines or nothing at all.


This coming from the man who bases his life and morals on an unchanging book of bronze age fairy tales made up my misogynist goat herders who heard voices in their heads.

You're right about the weed however.
 
2012-03-11 04:44:14 PM
It's the people not in jail who are more profitable I suspect. All the bogus pot busts and such that result in bail, fines, court costs, court mandated drug 'diversion' programs, drug testing, probation costs, more fees and fines.
 
2012-03-11 04:44:41 PM
Profitable, in that the people in prison are no longer killing people and breaking things? Then, yes.
 
2012-03-11 04:45:29 PM
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2012-03-11 04:45:36 PM

Gyrfalcon: Ricardo Klement: An awful lot of prisons are not privately run. This accusation has been around almost longer than privatized prisons. How it's profitable for the state is not made clear.

Well, lessee.....

The number of guards it hires, the number of other people employed in service & support positions, the industries that provide everything from the sheets on the beds to the meals to the bolts that hold the cots to the floors, the administration and support staff for THEM, an entire bureaucracy to train, develop and administer the whole Department of Corrections from the top down....

It is EXTREMELY profitable for the state. It keeps a shiatload of people employed and off the dole, paying taxes and contributing to the economy. So yeah, just not in the way you're thinking.


If you continue that line of reasoing then the unions and democrats are behind the whole thing since the DoC is unionized and the union gives money to democrats.
 
2012-03-11 04:45:56 PM

Cataholic: in that the people in prison are no longer killing people and breaking things?


Most people in prison aren't there for either of those.
 
2012-03-11 04:46:02 PM

Kimothy: There's already a book (new window)on the subject.

It's profitable, and it serves the interest of some segments of society.

/It's a national embarrassment.


There are things that don't pass the stink test. This has always been one for me. Australia bans the import of products manufactured by prison labor. Ain't it something.
 
2012-03-11 04:46:41 PM

Cataholic: Profitable, in that the people in prison are no longer killing people and breaking things? Then, yes.


and all the low-level drug-related criminals who were never violent or destructive?
 
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