tenpoundsofcheese: ox45tallboy:

Thing is, the older people get, the more narrow minded, and the more protective of their way of life (afraid if you will) they become. So there's always going to be old scared white people around.



Are white people the only ones who get old?

No, but they always seem to be the ones that vote Republican. ;)

DaCricket: jake_lex: It's all aimed at keeping the scared old white people vote, and, true, those people vote more than any other. But they won't be voting that much longer.

Thing is, the older people get, the more narrow minded, and the more protective of their way of life (afraid if you will) they become. So there's always going to be old scared white people around.

True, but they will be out-numbered by old scared Hispanics in about 20 years.

quickdraw: If the current cavalcade of derp bothers you please check out The League of Women Voters (new window). They have been around since 1920 and are dedicated to raising awareness about women's issues. You can join for free and don't need lady parts to belong.

League of Women Voters Mission Statement
The League of Women Voters, a nonpartisan political organization, encourages informed and active participation in government, works to increase understanding of major public policy issues, and influences public policy through education and advocacy.

League of Women Voters Education Fund Mission Statement
The League of Women Voters Education Fund works to encourage the active and informed participation of citizens in government and to increase understanding of major public policy issues.

wimmin voters is not in the constitushun !

DaCricket: jake_lex: It's all aimed at keeping the scared old white people vote, and, true, those people vote more than any other. But they won't be voting that much longer.

Thing is, the older people get, the more narrow minded, and the more protective of their way of life (afraid if you will) they become. So there's always going to be old scared white people around.

There was a study a few years ago that found that individuals become more liberal with age. The oldest cohort may still be more conservative than the younger ones, but they are more liberal than they were. Link (new window)

Uchiha_Cycliste: When they lose, they will decide that they were not conservative enough.

I think it was Bob Bennett, the Utah senator who was ousted by a Tea Partier, who said that he was at a Republican meeting just after the 2008 election and presented a graph that showed that while voters went for Obama, the overall trend was that they were still conservative on a scale from 1 to 10. The average voter was pegged as about a 7. McCain was an 8, Obama a 6, so, as Bennett said, they were very close, they just needed to focus more on the center, and they would likely take the House and Senate in 2010, and the Presidency in 2012. The room went completely silent when he suggested a slight move to the left to gain voters. He closed up his presentation and left, and the next guy came up and said, "I don't know about all of you, but I'm a 12 on that scale!" and everyone applauded.

They were sure that, despite all evidence to the contrary, they needed to be more conservative, harder right than the party had really ever been. 2010 bore that out for them because again, they completely ignored the evidence that the Republican wins were due more to anti-incumbent feelings and the economy than some mythical right-wing mandate. Meanwhile folks who have been staunchly Republican for years are now calling themselves Independent and considering voting against the Republicans this year because of this massive misinterpretation along with the incredible overreach of the party in the two years since.

There are definitely party leaders who are now realizing that 2010 might not have been the real victory they thought it was, and that the continued tacking to the right is killing any chance they have of winning the Presidency, and possibly will cost them the Senate too. Hell, if they continue the attacks on women and minorities enough, they could potentially lose the House, though it's more likely that they will just lose some of their majority there and hang on it it. Not winning the Senate, though, in a year where it's very lopsided toward the Republicans taking it, would be a kick square to the nuts of the party.

And meanwhile all us filthy libs have to do is sit back and watch the GOP swallow its own tail. Kinda makes the three years of thinly veiled racism, sexism, and general derpiness worth it.

tenpoundsofcheese: ox45tallboy:

Thing is, the older people get, the more narrow minded, and the more protective of their way of life (afraid if you will) they become. So there's always going to be old scared white people around.



Are white people the only ones who get old?

Yes, the blacks will shoot each other before reaching old age.

Spring has sprung, the grass is riz, I wonder where the pretty girls is :)

hell, i'm considering working on his campaign just so i can troll for strange in his wake.

He needs Bill's expertise:

"She had an ass like THIS, I'm tellin' yay! Boo ya, B-Rock. Boo ya!"

tenpoundsofcheese: ox45tallboy:

Thing is, the older people get, the more narrow minded, and the more protective of their way of life (afraid if you will) they become. So there's always going to be old scared white people around.



Are white people the only ones who get old?


I'm asking myself if there is a corelation between the belief systems of the 'older generation' and a culture's propensity towards extended multi-generational families.

It strikes me that if one imagines the very liberal 'live and let live' elderly woman, that the first image that pops to mind (Betty White notwithstanding) is a European, Asian or Hispanic grandmother who spends the majority of her time with her children and grandchildren in a family setting, and not people who have moved to gated communities in the sun belt.

It would seem to me that if you weren't exposed to the daily lives of younger people trying to make their way, if the real needs of your grandchildren weren't abstractions, but dinner-table realities, that it would be harder to be all 'I got mine,' about the future of the society.

And perhaps that's also why it seems like there are so many older hyperconservative sorts...maybe there isn't actually by numbers, but since they all seem to congregate together, to the exclusion of other demographics, it just appears that way?

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Well, he sure has the baby vote wrapped up. Thanks to ACORN, babies vote.

/seriously, awwwwwww

compare:

Can't wait for the next headline: "Michele Obama to help President pick up women. Best. Wife. Ever."

Mr. Coffee Nerves: But where, oh where is he going to find any material for campaign ads that suggests Republicans aren't pro-women?

I was thinking that Obama could petition Limbaugh's advertisers to come back - at least through the election.

serpent_sky: ox45tallboy: Hey, it's only the Republican politicians that want to do away with it. Ask any American close to or beyond retirement age if they want to do away with Social Security, then be sure to step back so they won't take your head clean off your shoulders. Unfortunately, these people believe "entitlements" means government checks to support single black mothers' Friday nights at the club.

Unfortunately, the word has been misused and abused to the point that it is never used properly. Everything they disparagingly refer to as entitlements are things people have paid into and are legitimately entitled to. Unfortunately, they make it sound like people are asking for or expecting something that is coming straight out of other people's pockets and they have no right to. How anyone can look at Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits as something we don't all pay into and deserve is far beyond my brain's reach.

Especially when it's people who receive Social Security and Medicare.

If you'd said "disability" you'd have been right on all three, but unemployment benefits are funded by employers through a tax on payroll.

skinink: I wonder if any of Obama's PACs would dare to work in a Limbaugh 'slut' reference in any of the ads just to make the GOP look that much worse, or would they rather take the high road and let the voices of the GOP just ruin things themselves.
And although I was kind of hoping that Romney would win the nomination and at least give Obama a decent opposing candidate, I hope Romney loses big. His recent comments about European gov't totally controlling the lives of the citizens is just crazy. It's bind bending how he thinks he's going to get away with slandering the very politicians he's going to deal with if he became President.


The strangest thing is that a man of his means and experience cannot possibly believe what he's saying. He's been to Europe, perhaps even has property there? He knows that's utter crap, and is only saying that to appeal to the 'why would I want to go to Europe, they don't even speak English' crowd.

Do the people he's speaking to realize this? Perhaps they do and simply don't care? Are they all inwardly thinking that 'yeah, I know it's not true, but some dummy out there won't, so since I want him to win, it's OK,' so that it becomes what one might call 'a polite fiction?'

And why does no one in your media say, 'look, none of that is true...you're being lied to?'

Fareed Zakaria, Christiane Amanpour, where are you?

what_now: heap: hell, i'm considering working on his campaign just so i can troll for strange in his wake.

This actually happened last night:

Boys talking to us "words words words words words"
Group of girls I was part of: ".....boring. Do not want"
One boy: ".....words words words Obama volunteer...:
Girls (attention now focused on this boy) "...oh really? That's interesting. Tell me more".

there is no pulpit more bully than the punani.

pronounced 'booooooooooooooleee', of course.

what_now: heap: hell, i'm considering working on his campaign just so i can troll for strange in his wake.

This actually happened last night:

Boys talking to us "words words words words words"
Group of girls I was part of: ".....boring. Do not want"
One boy: ".....words words words Obama volunteer...:
Girls (attention now focused on this boy) "...oh really? That's interesting. Tell me more".

*Jots down notes*

Mrtraveler01: what_now: heap: hell, i'm considering working on his campaign just so i can troll for strange in his wake.

This actually happened last night:

Boys talking to us "words words words words words"
Group of girls I was part of: ".....boring. Do not want"
One boy: ".....words words words Obama volunteer...:
Girls (attention now focused on this boy) "...oh really? That's interesting. Tell me more".

*Jots down notes*

This may just be how we can get young male voters to put out. I mean turn out.

quickdraw: DaCricket: jake_lex: It's all aimed at keeping the scared old white people vote, and, true, those people vote more than any other. But they won't be voting that much longer.

Thing is, the older people get, the more narrow minded, and the more protective of their way of life (afraid if you will) they become. So there's always going to be old scared white people around.

I think this is purely apocryphal. I don't know a single person who has gone from being a democrat to a republican just because they got their AARP card. I asked my grandma (91 years old - lifelong Dem) and she does not know a single person who has changed their political affiliation just because they aged. Remember, Florida went to Obama in 2008.

If anything, people become more set in their ways.

I think the real effect here is that while people are set in their ways, and rarely change much after a certain age, 30+ years of political change will tend to progress to more liberal stances more often than not, and the older voters will find themselves on the more conservative side of more issues, and more radical and progressive causes will be picked up as younger liberals want to push on from the new status quo.

Of course that isn't likely to happen in the US to any significant amount with the current set up, as the GOP are just way to far out there to pick up voters drifting from effects like this, they are obviously alienating virtually everyone but the theocrats and the fox pawns.

KWess: Do the people he's speaking to realize this? Perhaps they do and simply don't care? Are they all inwardly thinking that 'yeah, I know it's not true, but some dummy out there won't, so since I want him to win, it's OK,' so that it becomes what one might call 'a polite fiction?'

reading david frum is one of my political vices - seeing him attempt to advocate romney while in the same paragraph calling his financial/budgetary magic wand waving as 'cynical' - essentially cutting it to the bone as what it was, a ploy to make stupid people think he can do what stupid people want, and have good effects from it - that's as good of an example as i can think of. it isn't even subcontextual, it's right out in the open.

Animatronik: ginandbacon: I know of 3 life-long older Republican women who will be voting for Obama in 2012.

Alzheimer's, it's a terrible disease. Especially when you've got Democrats trolling you about Social Security all day long.
(not that I believe a word of this story).

Holy crap, this is the Boobies in this thread that isn't just a lib circle jerk. It looks like anyone who isn't a rabid liberal has been driven off by all the derp.

osgeek: Animatronik: ginandbacon: I know of 3 life-long older Republican women who will be voting for Obama in 2012.

Alzheimer's, it's a terrible disease. Especially when you've got Democrats trolling you about Social Security all day long.
(not that I believe a word of this story).

Holy crap, this is the Boobies in this thread that isn't just a lib circle jerk. It looks like anyone who isn't a rabid liberal has been driven off by all the derp.

if you want to define 'liberal' as meaning 'thinks the current GOP is effing retarded', congrats - you just swelled their rolls dramatically.

please, proceed.

That's a very homoerotic Spiderman.

ox45tallboy:
As I grabbed my seat in McDonald's, I overheard an older gentleman talking to a couple of other gentlemen about the recent Ellen Degeneres JC Penney spot (cowboy coupons). I was ready to overhear a diatribe on homosexuality and how it was tearing our society apart, but I was pleasantly surprised when the man described the commercial to his associates, and said it was the funniest thing he had seen all week.

/no accounting for humor, but still... it's progress, right?

How touching that your bigotry turned out to be incorrect and you found something good about it.

Substitute "older" and "gentlem*n" for "black" and "wom*n" talking about a Popeyes chicken commercial offering free chicken and how you were surprised that they weren't all that interested in free chicken.

Then you'll understand a little bit of what a hypocrite you are.

When Bill O'Reilly made some innocuous compliment about how pleasant and a-stereotypical he found the experience at a predominately African American restaurant, I'm sure you were one of the ones who defended him since you apparently think the same way.

I can't wait to scroll through the rest of the comments below yours as liberal farkers call you out for your prejudice. We all know how liberals hate prejudice.

osgeek: I can't wait to scroll through the rest of the comments below yours as liberal farkers call you out for your prejudice. We all know how liberals hate prejudice.

That's pretty good trollin' there.

osgeek: ox45tallboy:
As I grabbed my seat in McDonald's, I overheard an older gentleman talking to a couple of other gentlemen about the recent Ellen Degeneres JC Penney spot (cowboy coupons). I was ready to overhear a diatribe on homosexuality and how it was tearing our society apart, but I was pleasantly surprised when the man described the commercial to his associates, and said it was the funniest thing he had seen all week.

/no accounting for humor, but still... it's progress, right?

How touching that your bigotry turned out to be incorrect and you found something good about it.

Substitute "older" and "gentlem*n" for "black" and "wom*n" talking about a Popeyes chicken commercial offering free chicken and how you were surprised that they weren't all that interested in free chicken.

Then you'll understand a little bit of what a hypocrite you are.

When Bill O'Reilly made some innocuous compliment about how pleasant and a-stereotypical he found the experience at a predominately African American restaurant, I'm sure you were one of the ones who defended him since you apparently think the same way.

I can't wait to scroll through the rest of the comments below yours as liberal farkers call you out for your prejudice. We all know how liberals hate prejudice.

So, you're accusing him of agism?

'I was pleasantly surprised at how mature the children acted' would also be bigotry?

You are drawing a false equivalence.

ox45tallboy: osgeek: Animatronik: ginandbacon: I know of 3 life-long older Republican women who will be voting for Obama in 2012.

Alzheimer's, it's a terrible disease. Especially when you've got Democrats trolling you about Social Security all day long.
(not that I believe a word of this story).

Holy crap, this is the Boobies in this thread that isn't just a lib circle jerk. It looks like anyone who isn't a rabid liberal has been driven off by all the derp.

I don't understand. Plenty of people have provided plenty of examples of poor attempts at humor by conservatives in this thread. I think you could add to the discussion by showing an example of a good attempt at conservative humor - i.e., something that displays liberal hypocrisy or conflict of ideals. Instead, you're all, "Waaah! The liberals are picking on me! Waaahhh!!! They disagree with the way I feel!!! Waaaaahh!!! And there are more of them!!! Waaahhhh!!!! And they're backing up their arguments with EVIDENCE! WAAAAAHHHHH!!!!"

Jeez, I shouldn't have to write your posts for you.

See, you're too stupid to even know what farking thread you're posting in. You think you're posting in the thread where a bunch of liberal comedians decided that liberals are funny and then a bunch of liberal farkers agreed with them.

Now, let's gauge your integrity. Do you fess up and apologize for being a dumbass? Do you step away from your keyboard and think, "If I can't even know where I'm posting, how can I have any certainty over the positions that I advocate?"

Or do you just keep posting retarded old Spidey pics with lame ass captions? Are you trying to get the smart or the funny vote on Fark with those? Is that the kind of validation that you look for in your day?

DeaH: Mr. Coffee Nerves: But where, oh where is he going to find any material for campaign ads that suggests Republicans aren't pro-women?

I was thinking that Obama could petition Limbaugh's advertisers to come back - at least through the election.

what happens if pro-Obama super pacs start placing ads on Rush's show? Can Rush deny them on content?

Without Fail:
So, you're accusing him of agism?

'I was pleasantly surprised at how mature the children acted' would also be bigotry?

You are drawing a false equivalence.

Nah, what you're doing is drawing a false equivalence. You're talking about undeveloped human beings (children) who already are excused from assuming a normal role in society both culturally and legally vs a group of adults.

Then, to compound the problem with your metaphor, you're talking about general maturity vs the oxass's implication that older people are homophobes.

So while your metaphor is false equivalence, mine hits pretty close to the mark.