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2012-03-10 09:43:38 PM
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Oh, looky, it's the "both sides are the same" argument! LOLOL
 
2012-03-10 09:48:35 PM

vernonFL:
Hcirging Hcirging HCIRGING

Ed Finnerty: They forgot Santorum.


oi40.tinypic.com

i was going to change shelley duvall's face for rick's, but....look at it. i don't have to.
 
2012-03-10 09:50:13 PM

Minus1Kelvin: vernonFL: 9beers: Lets not ignore that fact that a new poll shows Romney beating Obama by 5 points.

The election is in seven months.

And Obama has spent like $20 so far campaigning...


I think he is the biggest contributor to the Santorum SuperPAC. For the lulz.
 
2012-03-10 09:51:58 PM
Oh man, this movie is taking some low blows at Palin...hahaha.
 
2012-03-10 09:53:49 PM
If I gave Rasmussen enough money, I'm pretty sure they could come up with a poll that says 90% of Kate Moss's want to sleep with me.
 
2012-03-10 09:55:38 PM
Romney Beats Obama 48%-43% In New Rasmussen Poll

pffffffttttt

Rasmussen is always off by at least two points.... that would make it....only a 46%-45% loss. Margin of error... margin of error.
 
2012-03-10 09:55:43 PM

sno man: ole prophet: propasaurus: dahmers love zombie: What dismays me in this is not the risk that I might be the one buying drinks on election day. It's that no matter who wins, Obamacare, with its individual mandate and cementing of a broken employer/insurance cartel, will never go away. Obamacare is by a country mile the worst thing Barack Obama has accomplished. It is an essential change in the relationship of the state to the individual, and thus its poison is more lethal than all the money the administration has wasted, all the laws it has broken, and all the jumping jacks the first lady has pressured tubby schoolchildren into performing. It was passed in a sordid backstairs intrigue on a Saturday night and is hated not only by libertarians but by normal people too. It is the one agenda item where the Obama Administration has beyond any doubt been worse than a John McCain administration would have been.

Man Passionately Opposed To What He Imagines ObamaCare To Be.

I agree. Libertarians are not normal people.

I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

You know there is no such thing as extreme Left in America, right?


ELF, PETA...hell, the whole birth certificate shiatstorm was started by Hillary is 44 folks. There is an extreme left.
 
2012-03-10 09:56:38 PM
wanting cheesecake is a hallmark of the extreme left. go figger.
 
2012-03-10 10:01:10 PM
Rasmussen has a 15-20 point R bias. Take any numbers they give you, take 10 from the R side and put them on the D side and you're getting closer to reality.

Gallup has a 10-15 point R bias. Take 7 and shift yadda yadda.

If you pull a list of polls from reputable institutions, put them alongside the propaganda pollsters with the numbers shifted, you'll find a relatively steady consistency.
 
2012-03-10 10:04:42 PM

ole prophet: ELF, PETA...hell, the whole birth certificate shiatstorm was started by Hillary is 44 folks. There is an extreme left.


WRONG.

Elf was started by Ronnie James Dio.

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2012-03-10 10:05:29 PM

sno man: I think there is a good chance that was shopped.
I have a similar level of confidence in the poll numbers, too.


Makes me wonder if the rightards saw YESTERDAY'S poll numbers with Obama in the lead, and they reminded Rasmussen who in the fark they're supposed to be working for, if they know what's good for them.
 
2012-03-10 10:08:55 PM

heap: [i42.tinypic.com image 500x338]


That's the creepiest picture of Gingrich I've ever seen.
 
2012-03-10 10:10:31 PM

ole prophet: sno man: ole prophet: propasaurus: dahmers love zombie: What dismays me in this is not the risk that I might be the one buying drinks on election day. It's that no matter who wins, Obamacare, with its individual mandate and cementing of a broken employer/insurance cartel, will never go away. Obamacare is by a country mile the worst thing Barack Obama has accomplished. It is an essential change in the relationship of the state to the individual, and thus its poison is more lethal than all the money the administration has wasted, all the laws it has broken, and all the jumping jacks the first lady has pressured tubby schoolchildren into performing. It was passed in a sordid backstairs intrigue on a Saturday night and is hated not only by libertarians but by normal people too. It is the one agenda item where the Obama Administration has beyond any doubt been worse than a John McCain administration would have been.

Man Passionately Opposed To What He Imagines ObamaCare To Be.

I agree. Libertarians are not normal people.

I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

You know there is no such thing as extreme Left in America, right?

ELF, PETA...hell, the whole birth certificate shiatstorm was started by Hillary is 44 folks. There is an extreme left.


v. extreme Right, you have to be kidding, or delusional, oh yea "that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country", delusional for the win.
 
2012-03-10 10:14:25 PM

ole prophet: I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.


Libertarians are the far right you dumbass.
 
2012-03-10 10:22:44 PM

Ed Finnerty: They forgot Santorum.

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...


ew
 
2012-03-10 10:27:18 PM

ole prophet: ELF, PETA...hell, the whole birth certificate shiatstorm was started by Hillary is 44 folks. There is an extreme left.


If that's you're definition of "extreme left", then it's skewed by how ridiculously far to the right you already are.

They're barely leftist at all.

"Extreme left" would be campaigning for the abolishment of the concepts of "money" and "property" entirely in favor of joint social ownership of all things. THAT is extreme leftism. Nobody's on the extreme left, not in any sense that has any political weight whatsoever. The Democrats are center-right, and most of the groups you see as "left" are generally fairly center-left at most, but mostly centrist in general.

For instance, see Canada; our Conservative Party is moderately center-right, and is very similar on many stances to your Democrats. The Liberals are more centrist, and the NDP/Green are somewhat left of center.

Even we don't have any "extreme left" in our politics, though we also don't listen to the crazy right-wing nutters who even the Conservative Party was smart enough to tell to sit down and shut up.

Religious fundamentalism is not an acceptable political viewpoint, unless your idea of an ideal society is, say, modern-day Iran.
 
2012-03-10 10:30:37 PM

DaSwankOne: ole prophet: I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

Libertarians are the far right you dumbass.


What? Being,
PRO-:
Drug legalization
Gay Marriage
Anti-War
Atheism

is now Far Right?

Come on dude? You have got to do at least half the job the Right wing trolls do to get your paycheck.
 
2012-03-10 10:39:29 PM

Thorak: ole prophet: ELF, PETA...hell, the whole birth certificate shiatstorm was started by Hillary is 44 folks. There is an extreme left.

If that's you're definition of "extreme left", then it's skewed by how ridiculously far to the right you already are.

They're barely leftist at all.

"Extreme left" would be campaigning for the abolishment of the concepts of "money" and "property" entirely in favor of joint social ownership of all things. THAT is extreme leftism. Nobody's on the extreme left, not in any sense that has any political weight whatsoever. The Democrats are center-right, and most of the groups you see as "left" are generally fairly center-left at most, but mostly centrist in general.

For instance, see Canada; our Conservative Party is moderately center-right, and is very similar on many stances to your Democrats. The Liberals are more centrist, and the NDP/Green are somewhat left of center.

Even we don't have any "extreme left" in our politics, though we also don't listen to the crazy right-wing nutters who even the Conservative Party was smart enough to tell to sit down and shut up.

Religious fundamentalism is not an acceptable political viewpoint, unless your idea of an ideal society is, say, modern-day Iran.


So, by your definition, Sovereign Citizens are the extreme left? Seriously, you just described them to a tee.

I would've put them in the category of the Far Right.
 
2012-03-10 10:46:06 PM

ole prophet: sno man: ole prophet: propasaurus: dahmers love zombie: What dismays me in this is not the risk that I might be the one buying drinks on election day. It's that no matter who wins, Obamacare, with its individual mandate and cementing of a broken employer/insurance cartel, will never go away. Obamacare is by a country mile the worst thing Barack Obama has accomplished. It is an essential change in the relationship of the state to the individual, and thus its poison is more lethal than all the money the administration has wasted, all the laws it has broken, and all the jumping jacks the first lady has pressured tubby schoolchildren into performing. It was passed in a sordid backstairs intrigue on a Saturday night and is hated not only by libertarians but by normal people too. It is the one agenda item where the Obama Administration has beyond any doubt been worse than a John McCain administration would have been.

Man Passionately Opposed To What He Imagines ObamaCare To Be.

I agree. Libertarians are not normal people.

I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

You know there is no such thing as extreme Left in America, right?

ELF, PETA...hell, the whole birth certificate shiatstorm was started by Hillary is 44 folks. There is an extreme left.


ELF? Are you farking kidding? OK, there are 10 of them.

PETA? Extreme left? Really? They are a single issue group. How big are their protests? Maybe there is a 100 of them that are really into it.

What bubble do you live in anyways? Every single person I know has moderate progressive ideals but I'm not a retarded nutcase like you who thinks that their selection bias of friends automatically represents a country of over 300 million people.

Tell you what: I've heard of a group of Nazis, so all Republicans are now Nazis. You are now a Nazi. Do you like that?
 
2012-03-10 10:48:47 PM

ole prophet: What? Being,
PRO-:
Drug legalization
Gay Marriage
Anti-War
Atheism

is now Far Right?


Pffft. Look, that may be your ideal but that is not what is spouted by the significant population that call themselves "Libertarian". They're Paulites and they believe in state's rights and pretty much nothing else. Which means all of those above things are perfectly acceptable to outright ban and criminalize as long as it's done at the state level.
 
2012-03-10 10:50:22 PM

ole prophet: PRO-:
Drug legalization
Gay Marriage
Anti-War
Atheism

is now Far Right?


Oh come on now I'm as liberal a lib as there is here on fark and even I know you couldn't get
5 Libertarians in one room to even agree on one of the items in your list let alone all 5.
 
2012-03-10 10:57:56 PM
I just asked Siri where President Obama was born, and she said Honolulu. Does this mean that she is a Marxist?
 
2012-03-10 11:00:11 PM

seventypercent: I just asked Siri where President Obama was born, and she said Honolulu. Does this mean that she is a Marxist?


It means that the AI is just trying to keep America weak until the right time comes to strike, duh.
 
2012-03-10 11:01:08 PM

heap: vernonFL:
Hcirging Hcirging HCIRGING
Ed Finnerty: They forgot Santorum.

[oi40.tinypic.com image 640x417]

i was going to change shelley duvall's face for rick's, but....look at it. i don't have to.


LOL!
 
2012-03-10 11:02:22 PM

artifishy: ELF? Are you farking kidding? OK, there are 10 of them.

PETA? Extreme left? Really? They are a single issue group. How big are their protests? Maybe there is a 100 of them that are really into it.

What bubble do you live in anyways? Every single person I know has moderate progressive ideals but I'm not a retarded nutcase like you who thinks that their selection bias of friends automatically represents a country of over 300 million people.


As has been pointed out many times before, the difference between the Left and Right is that the Left distances itself from its fringe members, while the Right embraces theirs.

/ELF are dangerous lunatics
//PeTA are attention whores
///and I consider myself a Socialist.
 
2012-03-10 11:10:29 PM

GhostFish: ole prophet: What? Being,
PRO-:
Drug legalization
Gay Marriage
Anti-War
Atheism

is now Far Right?

Pffft. Look, that may be your ideal but that is not what is spouted by the significant population that call themselves "Libertarian". They're Paulites and they believe in state's rights and pretty much nothing else. Which means all of those above things are perfectly acceptable to outright ban and criminalize as long as it's done at the state level.


Here is the way I see it. If, fark, Alabama decides to go full retard and start putting to death Gays, then yeah that is were "America" steps in. But if say Florida offers a no monthly cost, $3 per doctor visit plan for all those that are less fortunate that jumps to a $100 dollar per year and $15 per visit plan that someone in Montana helps pay for, I can see the states' side argument.
 
2012-03-10 11:13:16 PM
Well, this thread was certainly nightmare fuel.
/kudos
 
2012-03-10 11:13:23 PM
media.reason.com

www.tinytim.org

Tiny Tim = Romney ?
 
2012-03-10 11:15:24 PM

Dwight_Yeast: artifishy: ELF? Are you farking kidding? OK, there are 10 of them.

PETA? Extreme left? Really? They are a single issue group. How big are their protests? Maybe there is a 100 of them that are really into it.

What bubble do you live in anyways? Every single person I know has moderate progressive ideals but I'm not a retarded nutcase like you who thinks that their selection bias of friends automatically represents a country of over 300 million people.

As has been pointed out many times before, the difference between the Left and Right is that the Left distances itself from its fringe members, while the Right embraces theirs.

/ELF are dangerous lunatics
//PeTA are attention whores
///and I consider myself a Socialist.


I took that test where you get placed on the 2D graph of left/right/authoritarian/whatever and I was left of and below Gandhi. I still don't think ELF and PETA have anything to do with my beliefs.

Nor do I think Nazis have anything to do with ole prophet's beliefs, but if he's going to pull some stupid crap out of his ass, I'll do the same thing back. Perhaps he'll see the ridiculousness of the whole thing. Probably not though.
 
2012-03-10 11:18:21 PM

Thorak: ole prophet: ELF, PETA...hell, the whole birth certificate shiatstorm was started by Hillary is 44 folks. There is an extreme left.

If that's you're definition of "extreme left", then it's skewed by how ridiculously far to the right you already are.

They're barely leftist at all.

"Extreme left" would be campaigning for the abolishment of the concepts of "money" and "property" entirely in favor of joint social ownership of all things. THAT is extreme leftism. Nobody's on the extreme left, not in any sense that has any political weight whatsoever. The Democrats are center-right, and most of the groups you see as "left" are generally fairly center-left at most, but mostly centrist in general.

For instance, see Canada; our Conservative Party is moderately center-right, and is very similar on many stances to your Democrats. The Liberals are more centrist, and the NDP/Green are somewhat left of center.

Even we don't have any "extreme left" in our politics, though we also don't listen to the crazy right-wing nutters who even the Conservative Party was smart enough to tell to sit down and shut up.

Religious fundamentalism is not an acceptable political viewpoint, unless your idea of an ideal society is, say, modern-day Iran.


Not to mention that ELF and PETA aren't even political organizations, they're single-isuue advocacy groups. There is no PETA Party, no ELF Congressional caucus.
 
2012-03-10 11:20:01 PM
An attempt to equate PETA with ELF is generally a sign that the person making the comparison is suffering from a dangerous lack of perspective.

A better comparison would be the ALF and the ELF.
 
2012-03-10 11:29:07 PM

seventypercent: An attempt to equate PETA with ELF is generally a sign that the person making the comparison is suffering from a dangerous lack of perspective.

A better comparison would be the ALF and the ELF.


Because both were canceled for lack of interest?
 
2012-03-10 11:29:39 PM

artifishy: Dwight_Yeast: artifishy: ELF? Are you farking kidding? OK, there are 10 of them.

PETA? Extreme left? Really? They are a single issue group. How big are their protests? Maybe there is a 100 of them that are really into it.

What bubble do you live in anyways? Every single person I know has moderate progressive ideals but I'm not a retarded nutcase like you who thinks that their selection bias of friends automatically represents a country of over 300 million people.

As has been pointed out many times before, the difference between the Left and Right is that the Left distances itself from its fringe members, while the Right embraces theirs.

/ELF are dangerous lunatics
//PeTA are attention whores
///and I consider myself a Socialist.

I took that test where you get placed on the 2D graph of left/right/authoritarian/whatever and I was left of and below Gandhi. I still don't think ELF and PETA have anything to do with my beliefs.

Nor do I think Nazis have anything to do with ole prophet's beliefs, but if he's going to pull some stupid crap out of his ass, I'll do the same thing back. Perhaps he'll see the ridiculousness of the whole thing. Probably not though.


No. I see it as you are Libertarians. You all obviously aren't single minded folks. You realize the world isn't just 2D. Welcome to the real world as you have come to the conclusion that you can't be pandered to from a podium nor preached to from in front of the baptismal.
 
2012-03-10 11:30:41 PM

seventypercent: An attempt to equate PETA with ELF is generally a sign that the person making the comparison is suffering from a dangerous lack of perspective.


I think the fact that they're both one-trick ponys who do more harm than good counts for something.
 
2012-03-10 11:41:15 PM

ole prophet:
I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.


you would be wrong - opinion polls of americans who that on the issues they're liberal by far .. no matter self identification.

also most people i know consider "American Libertarians" (Ron Paul supporters) to be ignorant twunts.

also the only "Extreme left" there is in the united states might be ELF/ALF .. and even the US Green Party shuns them
 
2012-03-10 11:49:34 PM

ole prophet: DaSwankOne: ole prophet: I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

Libertarians are the far right you dumbass.

What? Being,
PRO-:
Drug legalization
Gay Marriage
Anti-War
Atheism

is now Far Right?

Come on dude? You have got to do at least half the job the Right wing trolls do to get your paycheck.


I know a Libertarian who is against 4 of the 5 things on your list.
 
2012-03-10 11:49:48 PM
I realize this thread has devolved into some sort of semantic death fight, but wasn't it just yesterday that Rasmussen put Obama four points ahead in four key swing states?
 
2012-03-10 11:51:09 PM

ole prophet: DaSwankOne: ole prophet: I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

Libertarians are the far right you dumbass.

What? Being,
PRO-:
Drug legalization
Gay Marriage
Anti-War
Atheism

is now Far Right?

Come on dude? You have got to do at least half the job the Right wing trolls do to get your paycheck.


right vs left is economic, everything you listed in social. go take the political compass test and post your results.

ole prophet: No. I see it as you are Libertarians. You all obviously aren't single minded folks. You realize the world isn't just 2D. Welcome to the real world as you have come to the conclusion that you can't be pandered to from a podium nor preached to from in front of the baptismal.


perhaps the disconnect is that you keep using capital L - that generally is used to indicate "US Libertarian Party" - aka republicans in denial. Randite asshats who don't understand rights vs license and just hide behind "STATES RIGHTS!!" as an excuse for greed, and who are perfectly fine with the individual states shiatting all over your rights.

aka not libertarians at all.

perhaps do you mean "little l" libertarian? aka people who generally think that so long as you're not bothering other people, do what you want?

Dwight_Yeast: seventypercent: An attempt to equate PETA with ELF is generally a sign that the person making the comparison is suffering from a dangerous lack of perspective.

I think the fact that they're both one-trick ponys who do more harm than good counts for something.


PETA are attention whores. ELF/ALF do shiat like tree spiking, and arson, etc. i'm all for aggressive defense of the environment - but tree spiking only works because there is a risk of loggers dying and it is hard/occasionally impossible to see a spike. (putting tons of chains on the trees on the other hand...)
 
2012-03-10 11:54:30 PM

DeaH: I realize this thread has devolved into some sort of semantic death fight, but wasn't it just yesterday that Rasmussen put Obama four points ahead in four key swing states?


Yeah, I'm guessing their marching orders for the rest of the 2012 election cycle came down today.
 
2012-03-10 11:55:50 PM

ole prophet: No. I see it as you are Libertarians. You all obviously aren't single minded folks. You realize the world isn't just 2D. Welcome to the real world as you have come to the conclusion that you can't be pandered to from a podium nor preached to from in front of the baptismal.


If you're redefining "libertarian" to include progressives, socialists and anarchists, maybe it's not a particularly useful term.
 
2012-03-10 11:56:22 PM
Meh, at about the same time in 2008, a Rasmussen Poll had Hillary in a similar lead over Obama.

Link
 
2012-03-10 11:59:51 PM

Kazan: ole prophet:
I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

you would be wrong - opinion polls of americans who that on the issues they're liberal by far .. no matter self identification.

also most people i know consider "American Libertarians" (Ron Paul supporters) to be ignorant twunts.

also the only "Extreme left" there is in the united states might be ELF/ALF .. and even the US Green Party shuns them


Polls = Dick as Would you like to have cough drops delivered to door? = Would you pay for your neighbors cough drops?
 
2012-03-11 12:01:36 AM

dave2198: ole prophet: DaSwankOne: ole prophet: I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

Libertarians are the far right you dumbass.

What? Being,
PRO-:
Drug legalization
Gay Marriage
Anti-War
Atheism

is now Far Right?

Come on dude? You have got to do at least half the job the Right wing trolls do to get your paycheck.

I know a Libertarian who is against 4 of the 5 things on your list.


Wolf, sheeps clothes.
 
2012-03-11 12:04:10 AM

ole prophet: Kazan: ole prophet:
I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

you would be wrong - opinion polls of americans who that on the issues they're liberal by far .. no matter self identification.

also most people i know consider "American Libertarians" (Ron Paul supporters) to be ignorant twunts.

also the only "Extreme left" there is in the united states might be ELF/ALF .. and even the US Green Party shuns them

Polls = Dick as Would you like to have cough drops delivered to door? = Would you pay for your neighbors cough drops?


Whereas your bros at the gun range are representative of the US populace? Look how stupid you are.
 
2012-03-11 12:05:33 AM

stutte2: Meh, at about the same time in 2008, a Rasmussen Poll had Hillary in a similar lead over Obama.

Link


Or McCain over Obama by 16 points in Florida.
Spoiler: Obama won Florida
 
2012-03-11 12:09:33 AM

ole prophet: dave2198: ole prophet: DaSwankOne: ole prophet: I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

Libertarians are the far right you dumbass.

What? Being,
PRO-:
Drug legalization
Gay Marriage
Anti-War
Atheism

is now Far Right?

Come on dude? You have got to do at least half the job the Right wing trolls do to get your paycheck.

I know a Libertarian who is against 4 of the 5 things on your list.

Wolf, sheeps clothes.


No true Scotsman, eh?
 
2012-03-11 12:09:37 AM

Kazan: ELF/ALF do shiat like tree spiking, and arson, etc. i'm all for aggressive defense of the environment - but tree spiking only works because there is a risk of loggers dying and it is hard/occasionally impossible to see a spike.


They've also burned down McMansion-style houses under construction. While I agree strongly with fighting urban sprawl, their method has had no success while other methods (anti-sprawl zoning, for instance) work quite well.

And I don't see logging as a serious enough issue to risk loggers' (or anyone's) life over. Mind you, my part of the country has been clear-cut at least twice since 1600 and is covered once again by mature trees (though we're about 200 years away from the return of old-growth forest).
 
2012-03-11 12:10:03 AM

ole prophet:

Polls = Dick as Would you like to have cough drops delivered to door? = Would you pay for your neighbors cough drops?


polls = more accurate and trustworthy than your wide-eyed incurious libertarian self and your retard friends at the gun club


good polls publish the questions you asked so you can judge the integrity of the poll. guess what? unbiased polls show americans are liberal on policy.
 
2012-03-11 12:12:15 AM

Kazan: wide-eyed incurious Libertarian


FTFY (capitalization matters in this context)

Dwight_Yeast: Kazan: ELF/ALF do shiat like tree spiking, and arson, etc. i'm all for aggressive defense of the environment - but tree spiking only works because there is a risk of loggers dying and it is hard/occasionally impossible to see a spike.

They've also burned down McMansion-style houses under construction. While I agree strongly with fighting urban sprawl, their method has had no success while other methods (anti-sprawl zoning, for instance) work quite well.

And I don't see logging as a serious enough issue to risk loggers' (or anyone's) life over. Mind you, my part of the country has been clear-cut at least twice since 1600 and is covered once again by mature trees (though we're about 200 years away from the return of old-growth forest).


over in this part of the country there are still preserved virgin stands. but we also have a huge amount of land under sustainable management. most of the "tree wars" were won by the mid 90s.
 
2012-03-11 12:15:18 AM

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I would say that "Libertarian" is what most people are in this country seeing as how most people I know (because, you get to actually interact with people that aren't at a protest or church when you are in the middle) hate what the extreme Left and Right have become.

Liberalism/Conservatism is a hell of a drug.

you would be wrong - opinion polls of americans who that on the issues they're liberal by far .. no matter self identification.

also most people i know consider "American Libertarians" (Ron Paul supporters) to be ignorant twunts.

also the only "Extreme left" there is in the united states might be ELF/ALF .. and even the US Green Party shuns them

Polls = Dick as Would you like to have cough drops delivered to door? = Would you pay for your neighbors cough drops?

Whereas your bros at the gun range are representative of the US populace? Look how stupid you are.


I don't own a gun (arrows for more sporting).

/that doesn't mean I don't know where head in the event of an apocalypse
 
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