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2012-03-10 03:49:49 PM  
Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich
 
2012-03-10 03:51:33 PM  

Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich


Or, The Committee to Re-Elect Obama, as someone put it. His ten reasons are pretty iffy, too.
 
2012-03-10 03:56:37 PM  
You keep telling yourself that, subby.
 
2012-03-10 03:58:31 PM  
>>Also see: 10 Reasons Obama Will Be Re-Elected
 
2012-03-10 03:59:13 PM  

Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich


I see the counterpoint has already been eloquently delivered
 
2012-03-10 04:06:43 PM  
1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco.
That's what happens when your idiot leader runs off to chase windmills in Iraq.

4. The kids are not fired up.
Who else are they going to vote for? The clowns you guys have assembled? hahaguy.jpg

5. Lending is still down.
Meh.
 
2012-03-10 04:16:35 PM  
Any site that offers Jim Cramer (arguably the worst financial advisor on the planet) as a featured columnist, needs to just shut the fark up, and go away.

It was proven that if you take what Cramer says, and do the exact opposite, you'll do much better.
Seriously.
 
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2012-03-10 04:19:08 PM  

FloydA: You keep telling yourself that, subby.

 
2012-03-10 04:23:52 PM  

TommyymmoT: Any site that offers Jim Cramer (arguably the worst financial advisor on the planet) as a featured columnist, needs to just shut the fark up, and go away.

It was proven that if you take what Cramer says, and do the exact opposite, you'll do much better.
Seriously.


The racist guy from Seinfeld?
 
2012-03-10 04:25:37 PM  
2. Gas is more and more expensive. Obama said, "There is no silver bullet" to temporary rising gas prices. Temporary? On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today. He does have a solution: Americans will drive cars that get 55 mpg. In the small print, there's a warning: These cars are small. They have a clutch and roll-down windows.

OH NOES! A CLUTCH!11! FFS, anyone who can't learn to drive a clutch in an hour shouldn't be allowed to drive.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco. Obama's good war has turned into a mess. We are eyeing a second Vietnam.

Why the fark did Fartbong0 get us involved in Afghanistan in the first place?? Worst President Evar.
 
2012-03-10 04:34:46 PM  

FloydA: TommyymmoT: Any site that offers Jim Cramer (arguably the worst financial advisor on the planet) as a featured columnist, needs to just shut the fark up, and go away.

It was proven that if you take what Cramer says, and do the exact opposite, you'll do much better.
Seriously.

The racist guy from Seinfeld?


Nah. The guy who comes off like a shock-jock, who when Bear-Stearns was at 100, down from 200 the week before, kept screaming buy Bear-Stearns, you'd be a fool not to! He kept it up day after day, until the stock was only worth about $3, and the rubes who get their investment advice from TV, lost their shirts.

He broke down and cried on The Daily Show when John Stewart got him to admit he was in collusion with Wall St insiders.
 
2012-03-10 04:36:30 PM  

Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich


I tend to vote Republican, and even I have to agree.
 
2012-03-10 04:38:21 PM  

TommyymmoT: FloydA:
The racist guy from Seinfeld?


Nah. The guy who comes off like a shock-jock, who when Bear-Stearns was at 100, down from 200 the week before, kept screaming buy Bear-Stearns, you'd be a fool not to! He kept it up day after day, until the stock was only worth about $3, and the rubes who get their investment advice from TV, lost their shirts.

He broke down and cried on The Daily Show when John Stewart got him to admit he was in collusion with Wall St insiders.



(I know, I was just being an asshole.) First time I saw Jim Cramer, I thought "I wouldn't buy a stick of gum on this guy's advice. He looks like a used car salesman with a bad coke habit." My intuition served me well.
 
2012-03-10 04:41:23 PM  

EatenTheSun: Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich

I tend to vote Republican, and even I have to agree.


Sincere question: why? What makes Republicans seem deserving of your vote?

I'm not just being partisan here (because I think the Democrats generally stink too). I am authentically curious why anyone would vote for any Republican.
 
2012-03-10 04:53:25 PM  

Uncle Tractor:

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.


I have to drive to work next week.
 
2012-03-10 05:06:04 PM  

bigpeeler: Uncle Tractor:

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.


I have to drive to work next week.


Well then get down to that gas station.
I have to siphon gas out of your tank tonight.
 
2012-03-10 05:32:26 PM  

FloydA: EatenTheSun: Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich

I tend to vote Republican, and even I have to agree.

Sincere question: why? What makes Republicans seem deserving of your vote?

I'm not just being partisan here (because I think the Democrats generally stink too). I am authentically curious why anyone would vote for any Republican.


Because in theory Republicans are more in line with my Libertarian leanings.

In contrast though, I've never voted for anyone named Bush or Perry. IIRC I've never voted for a Republican for president before 2008, though I have voted 3rd party a coupla times.
 
2012-03-10 05:47:21 PM  
Wow. What a list. Let's go through these, shall we?

1. The economy is struggling. Since 2008 the U.S. economic clock has been turned back 10 years.

Yay for cherry picking data! Actually, during 2008, prior to Obama's election, the economy had been turned back 10 years. The stock market has doubled under Obama's tenure- Why do Republicans hate profit?

2. Temporary? On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.
Yay for cherry picking data part two! Gas that was - wait for it - $4.00 a gallon two months before Obama was elected.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco. Obama's good war has turned into a mess. We are eyeing a second Vietnam.
So the war- Bush's war, part I- Also Obama's fault. And he was wrong for leaving Iraq (it'll fall apart!), wrong for taking out Khadaffi (It'll leave a power vaccuum), but wrong for staying in Afghanistan (OMG Quagmire!). If this is a reason for him not to be re-elected, then it's a reason for no Republican being allowed near the Oval office again, ever.

4. The kids are not fired up. Mr. Hope-and-Change has disillusioned his younger voter champions -- 66% voted for him in 2008. Youth unemployment is at a 60-year high. It is now over 18%. It was 14% in 2008 (10.5% in 2007).

Yeah, those Occupy kids are really turned off by politics and disengaged. The only element of truth here is the extent of youth voter disenfranchisement happening at the state level. I'm sure the youth numbers will be off- It's been legislated so.

5. Lending is still down. New bank loans remain at historic lows: Just 50% of GDP. Healthy growth calls for new loan growth of at least 100% of GDP. The 848-page Dodd Frank Act is a major contributor to bank reticence to lend.


So wait- after trying to pin the 2008 crisis on bad loans, Republicans are now complaining that banks aren't making enough bad loans.

By this list, Republicans have failed at energy, foreign, banking, economic, lending, and social policy. Damn you, fartbongo.
 
2012-03-10 05:57:47 PM  
6-10 are laughable.
 
2012-03-10 06:04:05 PM  
Since 2008 the U.S. economic clock has been turned back 10 years. If congressional gridlock continues The Economist reckons it will continue declining.

So the way to get rid of Obama is for the Republican Congress to keep itself in gridlock, hoping to tank the economy again?

beyondthebacklot.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-03-10 06:06:48 PM  
Problem: The economy is struggling

Republican solution: Tax cuts


Problem: Gas is expensive

Republican solution: Tax cuts


Problem: Banks aren't lending enough

Republican solution: Tax cuts.
 
2012-03-10 06:07:39 PM  
On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-03-10 06:08:37 PM  

EatenTheSun:

Because in theory Republicans are more in line with my Libertarian leanings.


I can understand that.

In practice, throughout my lifetime at least, the Republicans have increased the size and intrusiveness of the federal government every time they've had a chance, even more than the Democrats, in fact (e.g. DHS and TSA for recent examples). It's sort of like their promise to reduce regulations; they never actually do, they just fail to enforce the ones that are costing their campaign contributors money, and they gladly impose new ones when doing so will increase their donors' profits.

(Personally, I think a lot of regulations are necessary for the benefit of the citizens, although I understand that many libertarians disagree. But whether regulations are beneficial or detrimental in any given case, the point is that the GOP's claims to want to eliminate them are never backed up with actions.)

In other words, I can completely understand your reasons for finding their campaign rhetoric appealing. I just think that they are giving you exactly the opposite of what they promised, and hoping that you won't notice.

(Not to say that the Democrats are perfect- far from it- but at least they are sincere.)
 
2012-03-10 06:10:19 PM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-03-10 06:13:31 PM  
Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.
 
2012-03-10 06:15:38 PM  

EatenTheSun: Because in theory Republicans are more in line with my Libertarian leanings.


Are you being serious here?
 
2012-03-10 06:29:54 PM  
I haven't been too enthused with Obama's policies. They are too conservative for me. I was pretty unconvinced for 2012. And Obama for America made me sick. So, I thought I would skip it entirely. But, recent Republican shiat like this article guarantees I will get myself to the polls in November. Guarantees it. And I will bring everyone else that I can drive. Republicans are bat shiat insane and should never, ever be allowed anywhere near a position of power.
 
2012-03-10 06:33:28 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


You're right. Obama is black and doesn't use a wheelchair.
 
2012-03-10 06:49:05 PM  
While the article is a raging pile of monkey shiat I do have to applaud the noise machine for their absolute rock-solid repetition of the "Gas was $1.85 a gallon before Obama" lie. That's some consistency in spin that the Democrats could learn from.
 
2012-03-10 06:59:14 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


30 or 40 years from now, people are going to be comparing Obama to FDR. So... yeah, he kind of is FDR. Maybe not AS brilliant as a communicator, but his degree of difficulty was exponentially greater on nearly all fronts.
 
2012-03-10 07:01:48 PM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


That was caused by The Free Market® freaking out because it was becoming clear that Fartbong0 was going to be elected and turn America into a socialist nightmare.
 
2012-03-10 07:06:19 PM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


Trick question. It was a partnership. A shrubbery and Dick Cheney.
 
2012-03-10 07:07:02 PM  
FTA: 9. The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

Bullshiat! The Republicans in Congress refusing to raise the debt ceiling last summer lead directly to our AAA rating getting downgraded AND drove the stock markets downward.

/Article's author is an asshat Republican twisting recent history and truth again.
 
2012-03-10 07:09:20 PM  
That smug bastard, Obama, is apparently responsible for the increase in gas prices world-wide.
 
2012-03-10 07:11:45 PM  
Consider this a pre-emptive post regarding conservatrolls like randomjsa, winterwhile, etc.

i39.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-10 07:13:15 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: That smug bastard, Obama, is apparently responsible for the increase in gas prices world-wide.


It's not just America he hates; it's the whole world!
 
2012-03-10 07:15:53 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: That was caused by The Free Market® freaking out because it was becoming clear that Fartbong0 was going to be elected and turn America into a socialist nightmare.


On the contrary, Rasmussen Reports was saying at the time Bush was going to beat Hillary by 20 gadzillion percentage points and Obama by 38 bazillion points.
 
2012-03-10 07:22:12 PM  
And here are the 10 reason Obama WILL be re-elected:
1. Darryl Issa
2. Newt Gingrich
3. Paul Ryan
4. Grover Norquist
5. Mitt Romney
6. Rick Santorum
7. Tea Partiers
8. Eric Cantor
9. Mitch McConnell
10. Rush Limbaugh
 
2012-03-10 07:28:47 PM  
In other news, 5.5 is 65% of 10.

Gah - incompetence makes us all look bad.
 
2012-03-10 07:33:22 PM  

AirForceVet: FTA: 9. The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

Bullshiat! The Republicans in Congress refusing to raise the debt ceiling last summer lead directly to our AAA rating getting downgraded AND drove the stock markets downward.

/Article's author is an asshat Republican twisting recent history and truth again.



See? Obama didn't do enough to stop the Republicans from attempting to destroy the country, and that is obviously because Obama doesn't love America enough to be willing to stop the Republicans from destroying it. So we should elect the Republicans to replace that America hater, because obviously, he won't stand up to our nations enemies!
 
2012-03-10 07:40:22 PM  
Mr. Hope-and-Change

Sounds like a totally rational, not at all partisan examination of Obama's reelection chances.
 
2012-03-10 07:42:19 PM  
Problem: The economy is struggling

Republican solution: Ram a 10-inch piece of plastic up the cooter of a 17-year old girl

Problem: Gas is expensive

Republican solution: Compare women to hogs and cows

Problem: Banks aren't lending enough

Republican solution: Install a videocam in the bedroom of every woman who has a birth control prescription, so that GOP men will be able to watch their every move
 
2012-03-10 07:43:11 PM  
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2012-03-10 07:43:51 PM  
Gas is more and more expensive. Obama said, "There is no silver bullet" to temporary rising gas prices. Temporary? On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today. He does have a solution: Americans will drive cars that get 55 mpg. In the small print, there's a warning: These cars are small. They have a clutch and roll-down windows.

You know why prices were so low? Because we were deep in a recession which brought down demand and therefore prices.

Anyone who keeps peddling this is an idiot or a dishonest liar who shouldn't be taken too seriously...

The following commentary comes from an independent investor or market observer as part of TheStreet's guest contributor program, which is separate from the company's news coverage.

Maybe he's both.
 
2012-03-10 07:44:12 PM  
img22.imageshack.us
 
2012-03-10 07:46:27 PM  
It is easy to come up with 10 reasons why Obama will not be elected when you ignore who is running against him.
 
2012-03-10 07:48:06 PM  
The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco. Obama's good war has turned into a mess. We are eyeing a second Vietnam.

Good thing we're going to start withdrawing within a year then, huh?
 
2012-03-10 07:48:42 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


What potus faced similar circumstances?

FDR?

Hmmm
 
2012-03-10 07:49:32 PM  
The economy is struggling.

Because it's Obama's fault the GOP gridlocks everything he does.

Gas is more and more expensive


Because Obama has his hands on gas price controls and can easily influence global oil speculation

The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco.


This is now Obama's war? I wasn't aware he was president in October 2002 (was it 2001?) when we went in. Also, glad to took the time to actually support your claim with any . . . you know . . . facts.

The kids are not fired up.

As an unemployed "kid" (I graduate college in 3 months and will hopefully get a job with the FAA in a year, and a temp job to hold over within 4-6 months) I am not voting for the clowns currently running against Obama

He's lost the elite

OMG CLASS WARFAREZ

Welfare rolls are rising.

Clearly this isn't a result of the recession. Nope. Not at all. Obummer's falt

So is the national debt.


Would have been worse without the stimulus.

The U.S. lost its AAA rating.

Right, this had NOTHING to do with GOP brinkmanship. Nothing at all. Nope. Not even after S&P said "it had everything to do with brinkmanship."

House prices have plummeted.


Oh, housing prices PEAKED in 2006? That's nice. Wait. Wasn't that the catalyst to the crisis in the first place? The balloon that burst?
 
2012-03-10 07:50:01 PM  

moralpanic: [img22.imageshack.us image 640x512]


"No such user 'GaryPDX'. Tastes like chicken."

/I kind of miss Gary
//...okay, maybe not
 
2012-03-10 07:51:56 PM  
1 and only 1 reason is needed to explain why he will lose, $4 a gallon gas.

Its the same reason McSame/Failin got beaten by Nobama to begin with. Its also why Nobama is gonna lose to Mormoney or Sanitarium or she turned me into a Newt
 
2012-03-10 07:52:02 PM  
House prices have plummeted. Home prices hit their peak in 2006. In 2011 they hit new lows.

The horror!

The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

Oh, for fark's sake.

He's lost the elite. In 2008, Obama carried 52% of the 1%-ers, whom he later demonized.

vapid speculation

This list couldn't fail harder if it tried. No delusion like conservative delusion.
 
2012-03-10 07:53:17 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: And here are the 10 reason Obama WILL be re-elected:
1. Darryl Issa
2. Newt Gingrich
3. Paul Ryan
4. Grover Norquist
5. Mitt Romney
6. Rick Santorum
7. Tea Partiers
8. Eric Cantor
9. Mitch McConnell
10. Rush Limbaugh


You left out Bohener


Also Obama has the better campaign slogan (which should carry the rust belt states)- Osama is dead and GM is alive.
 
2012-03-10 07:54:50 PM  
It is funny how pretty much the whole world recognized what happened in '09-'09 as the worst recession since the Great Depression, but then are surprised that things have recovered only slightly better than the way they did from the Great Depression.

OMG, no prez has ever been re-elected with unemployment over 7% since FDR, NoBama ain't no FDR!!!!!

*chortle*
 
2012-03-10 07:54:52 PM  

EatenTheSun: FloydA: EatenTheSun: Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich

I tend to vote Republican, and even I have to agree.

Sincere question: why? What makes Republicans seem deserving of your vote?

I'm not just being partisan here (because I think the Democrats generally stink too). I am authentically curious why anyone would vote for any Republican.

Because in theory Republicans are more in line with my Libertarian leanings.


...in what ways have they been in practice, however?
 
2012-03-10 07:54:53 PM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


Poor Humboldt county. They always have some of the most expensive gas in the state. I miss riding my bicycle to Trinidad, and Patrick's Point, but not enough to ever live over there again.
 
2012-03-10 07:55:40 PM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


www.strangecosmos.com

I also find it very telling that this website has an article honest-to-god arguing for a 0% corporate tax.
 
2012-03-10 07:57:31 PM  

heinekenftw: The kids are not fired up.

As an unemployed "kid" (I graduate college in 3 months and will hopefully get a job with the FAA in a year, and a temp job to hold over within 4-6 months) I am not voting for the clowns currently running against Obama


Yeah if anything, the thought of any of the clowns on the GOP ticket in the White House makes me even more motivated to vote for Obama.
 
2012-03-10 07:58:46 PM  

theknuckler_33: what happened in '0908-'09


fark.
 
2012-03-10 07:59:19 PM  

AirForceVet: FTA: 9. The U.S. lost its AAA rating.


Of course, these are the same types of banks that gave AAA ratings to all of those credit default swaps that tanked the market, so we should take their ratings with a grain of salt.
 
2012-03-10 08:00:20 PM  

AirForceVet: FTA: 9. The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

Bullshiat! The Republicans in Congress refusing to raise the debt ceiling last summer lead directly to our AAA rating getting downgraded AND drove the stock markets downward.

/Article's author is an asshat Republican twisting recent history and truth again.


And even still, the stock market has leaped back up to almost twice what it was when Obama took over.

ginandbacon: 6-10 are laughable.


You say that like 1-5 aren't. 6-10 do appear to be even worse, though.

6. He's lost the elite. In 2008, Obama carried 52% of the 1%-ers, whom he later demonized. Apparently, losing 0.52% of the population will be enough for Obama to lose the election.

In addition, we could talk about the failures of Obamacare Drink!
 
2012-03-10 08:00:58 PM  

Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich


if anything, this reads like somebody trying to convince themselves that Romney, Santorum and Gingrich don't matter.

i think somewhere around 'It's obama's fault the GOP house is effing retarded', even the author was laughing.
 
2012-03-10 08:02:11 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


Irrelevant statistics are irrelevant.

People are disappointed with Obama, but good god, look at his competition. No one sane wants to risk one of those GOPhers being elected.
 
2012-03-10 08:04:04 PM  

RminusQ: Drink!


You're on! ;)
 
2012-03-10 08:07:07 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


In November, 1984, the unemployment rate was 7.2% (source, new window). In March of that year (comparing apples to apples), it was 7.8%.

It's true that I spent most of the '80s high, but I'm pretty sure I remember Ronald Reagan being re-elected in 1984.
 
2012-03-10 08:08:40 PM  
ok, this is hilarious.

where hilarious may mean 'kinda sad, but i still don't pity you' kinda way. compare any of those criteria against the people she doesn't want to talk about. you know, Romney, Santorum, Gingrich.
 
2012-03-10 08:08:54 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: 2. Gas is more and more expensive. Obama said, "There is no silver bullet" to temporary rising gas prices. Temporary? On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today. He does have a solution: Americans will drive cars that get 55 mpg. In the small print, there's a warning: These cars are small. They have a clutch and roll-down windows.

OH NOES! A CLUTCH!11! FFS, anyone who can't learn to drive a clutch in an hour shouldn't be allowed to drive.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco. Obama's good war has turned into a mess. We are eyeing a second Vietnam.

Why the fark did Fartbong0 get us involved in Afghanistan in the first place?? Worst President Evar.


Actually I'd expect a clutch (given clueless american drivers) to get less gas mileage than a CVT set up to give maximum mileage (at the expense of power). No future cars are going to be bare bones, rather the opposite really.
 
2012-03-10 08:10:33 PM  
That might explain the GOP mind. As long as we can keep America out of recovery, we'll win with any nut we put up against Obama.
 
2012-03-10 08:10:56 PM  

IMDWalrus: moralpanic: [img22.imageshack.us image 640x512]

"No such user 'GaryPDX'. Tastes like chicken."

/I kind of miss Gary
//...okay, maybe not


No doubt he's still around, just under a new login.
 
2012-03-10 08:11:19 PM  
Gas is more and more expensive.

Among other factors, investors and speculators have added more than 14% to the price at the pump. Why does the author hate capitalism?
 
2012-03-10 08:11:32 PM  

El Dudereno: EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.

Irrelevant statistics are irrelevant.

People are disappointed with Obama, but good god, look at his competition. No one sane wants to risk one of those GOPhers being elected.


Envirodude is gonna flip in 2016 when Obama goes for three (oh yeah we have that amendment in the works too)
 
2012-03-10 08:13:41 PM  

BMulligan: EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.

In November, 1984, the unemployment rate was 7.2% (source, new window). In March of that year (comparing apples to apples), it was 7.8%.

It's true that I spent most of the '80s high, but I'm pretty sure I remember Ronald Reagan being re-elected in 1984.


So, you are saying that he came in to office in January of '81 at 7.5 (after rising from 6.3 from the previous january), saw the rate hit 10.8 in December of '82 and come down to 7.2 and got re-elected?

I mean, that crazy talk! It's like a president who came into office during a recession while unemployment was rising rapidly and during whose first term employment losses leveled off and stopped and unemployment rate topped off then reversed course.

What kind of nut case are you?

Facts have a liberal bias.
 
2012-03-10 08:13:51 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: El Dudereno: EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.

Irrelevant statistics are irrelevant.

People are disappointed with Obama, but good god, look at his competition. No one sane wants to risk one of those GOPhers being elected.

Envirodude is gonna flip in 2016 when Obama goes for three (oh yeah we have that amendment in the works too)


Way to keep the secret dude.
 
2012-03-10 08:14:32 PM  
Oh good lord. Lists like these make me fear overconfidence as the main threat to Obama's re-election.
 
2012-03-10 08:14:40 PM  

culebra: House prices have plummeted. Home prices hit their peak in 2006. In 2011 they hit new lows.

The horror!

The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

Oh, for fark's sake.

He's lost the elite. In 2008, Obama carried 52% of the 1%-ers, whom he later demonized.

vapid speculation

This list couldn't fail harder if it tried. No delusion like conservative delusion.


so at most obama is going to lose .52% of the voting public? The horror. That's way worse than pissing off all the voting women.
 
2012-03-10 08:14:48 PM  

BMulligan: EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.

In November, 1984, the unemployment rate was 7.2% (source, new window). In March of that year (comparing apples to apples), it was 7.8%.

It's true that I spent most of the '80s high, but I'm pretty sure I remember Ronald Reagan being re-elected in 1984.


No, he lost to the girl Thompson Twin and Hewis Lewis. But a lot of people make that mistake.
 
2012-03-10 08:16:32 PM  
Here's the thing about the gas prices...

Gas prices are high. That means we have more tension with the Middle East which means we have the the current looming threat of war with Iran.

Now, imagine you're an undecided, independent voter (the only ones truly up for grabs). You think maybe there's a chance we're going to have a war with Iran. Are you going to want Rick Santorum to be the guy in charge of the military? The guy calling the shots during a war with a predominantly Muslim county? Do you want Mr. afraid-of-the-gays to be the man making decisions during a war?

Hell no, you don't.

Think about Romney now. You really want the guy with the magic underwear and the father whose policies were in place during the Detroit riots? The guy who says he wants to run America like a Fortune 500 company? You want that guy to be in charge during a war with Iraq?

Or maybe Gingrich? The guy who whined and shut down the government over a verbal snub? The guy who dumped his cancer-suffering wife for a Washington Stepford Wife that looks like an Angry Bird? The guy who hypocritically went after Clinton for having an affair while he was doing the same thing at the same time? You want him in charge of a war with Iran?

Or would you pick the guy who, during his time as Commander-in-Chief, managed to take out Osama Bin Laden? The guy whose administration caught more Taliban Leaders in one month than Bush/Cheney did in six years? The guy who actually started treating our soldiers with respect by giving them improved body armor, better benefits, and ending the Bush/Cheney stop-loss program?

Yeah... Which guy would an Independent voter pick? The guy who isn't obsessed with gay people and running America like a corporation, but who has a track record of success in the Middle East and with our military.

Not that any of it matters. The country is run by the corporations. They like Obama. He's good for that balance of business and media money (people are pissed about Obama in office. They watch TV that backs up their anger. They watch ads. They buy the t-shirts. They buy gold. They support big corporations to "show him". The corporations WIN.)
 
2012-03-10 08:16:56 PM  
I want to believe!
 
2012-03-10 08:17:35 PM  

Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich


Aka "The GOP is in huge disarray and can't adopt a platform that the people want"

/so vote Libertarian
//suck it, libs and neo-cons
 
2012-03-10 08:18:17 PM  

herrDrFarkenstein: he lost to the girl Thompson Twin


Did you ever notice that the Thompson Twins were really the Mod Squad undercover? One black, one white, one blonde.
 
2012-03-10 08:19:19 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


No it isn't but I'm pretty sure the opposing political party back then hadn't lost their
collective minds and gone bat shiat insane either.
 
2012-03-10 08:21:19 PM  
All 10 reasons are incredibly refutable. Only one - the debt - can even be minimally laid at Obama's feet, and even then, only a small fraction of it. Four more years? Inevitable, given the current crop of Republican pretenders to the office. See you all in 2016. Hopefully, by then, Republicans will smarten up and field a more moderate candidate with an actual chance, not some right-wing nutbar like Santorum or a confused pseudo-moderate like Romney...
 
xcv
2012-03-10 08:21:55 PM  
#11. Non-human primates rise up and conquer Earth, enslaving mankind for generations and making humany things like elections irrelevant.
#12. Our world is really a giant computer due to finish its sole purpose by October and terminate the Earth simulation.
 
2012-03-10 08:22:25 PM  

Delay: Republicans are bat shiat insane and should never, ever be allowed anywhere near a position of power.


These bear repeating:


"Conservatives cannot govern well for the same reason that vegetarians cannot prepare a world-class beef bourguignon: If you believe that what you are called upon to do is wrong, you are not likely to do it very well. As a way of governing, conservatism is another name for disaster."

- Michael Wolfe


"When the government is run by a political party committed to the belief that government is always the problem, never the solution, that belief tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Key priorities are neglected; key functions are privatized; and key people, the competent public servants who make government work, either leave or are driven out."

- Paul Krugman
 
2012-03-10 08:22:43 PM  
That list...

i950.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-10 08:22:45 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


Regan won reelection in a landslide with unemployment north of 7%.
 
2012-03-10 08:22:52 PM  
TemperedEdge: Hopefully, by then, Republicans will smarten up

you're incredibly optimistic
 
2012-03-10 08:23:50 PM  
I am still genuinely excited about Obama. He has proven himself repeatedly and I have deep confidence in him.
 
2012-03-10 08:24:08 PM  
The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

...which is totally the president's job. Totally. Congress isn't an independent branch of government or anything like that.

Dumbasses.
 
2012-03-10 08:24:57 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.google.com

Suck it, Tubbs.
 
2012-03-10 08:25:01 PM  

sdd2000: Marcus Aurelius: And here are the 10 reason Obama WILL be re-elected:
1. Darryl Issa
2. Newt Gingrich
3. Paul Ryan
4. Grover Norquist
5. Mitt Romney
6. Rick Santorum
7. Tea Partiers
8. Eric Cantor
9. Mitch McConnell
10. Rush Limbaugh

You left out Bohener


Also Obama has the better campaign slogan (which should carry the rust belt states)- Osama is dead and GM is alive.


Heh. Awesome.

Boehner did his best, and he really did want to reach some bi-partisan solutions. He has our country's best interests at heart. It's not his fault that the Best Party has been hijacked by fascists.
 
2012-03-10 08:25:59 PM  

Oldiron_79: 1 and only 1 reason is needed to explain why he will lose, $4 a gallon gas.


Go ahead Republicans, blame Obama for gas prices. It will be very amusing to see the Dems use your own "Bush isn't responsible for high gas prices" rhetoric against you. Do we really need to post the Bill O'Reilly pic again?
 
2012-03-10 08:26:56 PM  
1) Kenyan
2) Muslim
3) Socialist
4) Communist
5) Sharia Law
6) Abortion
7) Empty Suit
8) Liberal MSM Lamestream Media
9) Obamacare
10) NiBONG
 
2012-03-10 08:27:18 PM  
Fuggin Bizzy: Dumbasses.

so dumb they forgot about that Boehner fella
 
2012-03-10 08:27:37 PM  

The money quote of the article is the very last line:

"Anyone but Obama."

The rest of the articles is grasping at straws trying to support this while ignoring how awful Republican policy and candidates are and that they consider everybody an enemy other than white christian men.
 
2012-03-10 08:27:52 PM  
Point by point:

1 - The economy is still struggling, but it's a little better. If the republicans in congress actually try to help instead of actively sabotaging things to further their own agendas, things would improve more

2 - True, gas prices are way up, and they'll do their best to pin it on him, but it's not election day yet. Who knows what prices will be by the fall. Also, see #1

3 - The war in Afghanistan is lost (actually un-winnable), but the republican solution is to double down (big surprise). There's only one candidate advocating complete withdrawal, and he has no hope of winning. And even if he did, I bet he would have a change of heart and continue the entire pointless endeavor.

4 - So young people aren't excited about Obama? Who's their alternative, the guy who says they should stop whining and go to community college or Devry if they can't afford a big university, or the guy who calls people who attend college slobs? (or was it indoctrinated liberal drones? can't remember.) He never had the paultards to start with, so don't even try it.

5 - Again, see #1. Sorry, but their insane fark everyone but the super-rich attitudes are what's creating virtually every financial problem in this country.

6 - ummm, okay.

7 - This is related to the economy. Again, see #1

8 - The national debt and the deficit are only important when the democrats are in charge.

9 - Do I even have to say it? (#1 above, people)

10 - Oh noes, houses are cheaper? Whatever shall I do?I can get more house for my money! This is an outrage!
 
2012-03-10 08:29:01 PM  

bigpeeler: Uncle Tractor:

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.


I have to drive to work next week.


Stop voting for people who start stupid wars in the Middle East?
 
2012-03-10 08:29:02 PM  
Is part of the reason for this "65%" increase in the debt because we stopped pretending that war spending doesn't count?
 
2012-03-10 08:30:21 PM  

FishyFred: EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.

30 or 40 years from now, people are going to be comparing Obama to FDR. So... yeah, he kind of is FDR. Maybe not AS brilliant as a communicator, but his degree of difficulty was exponentially greater on nearly all fronts.


I'd vote for FDR in an instant. A president openly calling out war profiteers and comparing bankers to mobsters? And saying he knows they hate him and that he welcomes their hatred? If only.
 
2012-03-10 08:31:12 PM  
Apparently everything on that list could be solved if we just made more laws restricting a woman's vagina.

At least that's what the opposition party believes.
 
2012-03-10 08:32:19 PM  
Oh noes!

Obama didn't turn my neighborhood into sparkle-pony land!

I think I'll vote for those guys over there with the bulldozers and flame-throwers. They look nice.
 
2012-03-10 08:34:08 PM  
I say, so be it. If they can do better, then just do it already. And stop talking about how to fark and give us an economic plan that involves more than cutting taxes.
 
2012-03-10 08:34:27 PM  

xcv: #11. Non-human primates rise up and conquer Earth, enslaving mankind for generations and making humany things like elections irrelevant.
#12. Our world is really a giant computer due to finish its sole purpose by October and terminate the Earth simulation.


42?
 
2012-03-10 08:34:44 PM  

Fart_Machine: Apparently everything on that list could be solved if we just made more laws restricting a woman's vagina.

At least that's what the opposition party believes.


Makes perfect sense in light of the fact that once you go black, you don't go back.
 
2012-03-10 08:36:53 PM  
Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich

Well said but you left out one more -- RON PAUL.
 
2012-03-10 08:38:17 PM  
Expect a lot of this in the coming weeks. This is a "see what sticks" article. The GOP has nothing to go with. Their candidates *snert* are failing, and their media machine is in shambles. They are going into this election with absolutely no positives. The approval for congress is abysmal, and the whole country has seen how the GOP is willing to destroy America in order to recapture power.

This election cycle is going to be absolute insanity from the right.
 
2012-03-10 08:38:40 PM  
This is a sentence. I am an author. These are the sentences I write. I have never used a comma.

What is a comma? I do not know. My sentences all have four words. Except for that one.
 
2012-03-10 08:40:21 PM  
telling people to "suck it" is kind of a rapey thing to do, subby.
 
2012-03-10 08:40:32 PM  
Lenny_da_Hog: Obama didn't turn my neighborhood into sparkle-pony land!

Do you have any clue what sparkly ponies would add to the national debt? Typical libtard.
 
2012-03-10 08:41:55 PM  
It will come down to vaginas. Those who have them will mostly vote for him as non of his potential contenders have respect for them
 
2012-03-10 08:42:08 PM  

lennavan: IMDWalrus: moralpanic: [img22.imageshack.us image 640x512]

"No such user 'GaryPDX'. Tastes like chicken."

/I kind of miss Gary
//...okay, maybe not

No doubt he's still around, just under a new login.


So a user can just disappear?

He always did say he was going off the grid.

I bet he still gets even less dates than I do :)
 
2012-03-10 08:42:33 PM  

FishyFred: EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.

30 or 40 years from now, people are going to be comparing Obama to FDR. So... yeah, he kind of is FDR. Maybe not AS brilliant as a communicator, but his degree of difficulty was exponentially greater on nearly all fronts.


I wouldn't say that - the banking industry was in near collapse for both guys when they took office, and both of them managed to save things (though the issues with the industry were different for each of them). However, the United States was on the way to Dictator Roosevelt, head of the Communist States of America when FDR entered the Oval Office. President Obama, not so much.

But I do agree that both economically as well as in terms of foreign policy, people will be drawing parallels between FDR and President Obama for decades into the future. Since FDR is a top-five president all-time, that's pretty good company for Obama.

/Not that I think Obama is a top-five president.
//Yet, at least.
 
2012-03-10 08:45:24 PM  
52% of 1% of the population (assume all are voters) = 0.52% of the population

Oh no, how could Obama come up with enough votes to cover that number? Hmm, how about the (let's be conservative, ar ar) 50% of 50% of 99% of the population (assume all are voters) the GOP has recently pissed off forever = 24.75% of the population.

I'm not too worried about it.
 
2012-03-10 08:45:49 PM  

ultraholland: you're incredibly optimistic


It's part of being liberal: looking forward instead of backward. And hey, let's face it. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. See: Pat Robertson and Pot...
 
2012-03-10 08:46:37 PM  
I'm not happy with Obama, but if you think I'm voting for Romney you got another thing coming. It's not that I find Romney as terrifying as Santorum or as repulsive as Gingrich. Truth be told, I suspect his policies would not be all that different than Obama's. Romney's primary failure for me is his inability to articulate a clear policy and stick with. I understand that politician's must shift as the environment around them changes, but I don't think I have any seen anyone do it in quite as ham-fisted a manner. This may be related to Romney's second major problem which is his inability to emotionally connect with his audience. He makes Al Gore seem warm.
 
2012-03-10 08:47:37 PM  
herrDrFarkenstein
Envirodude is gonna flip in 2016 when Obama goes for three

No need. The Republicans have shown they can't hide their contempt for women. They don't even have code in place, like they do for racism. This is good news, for Clinton.
 
2012-03-10 08:49:21 PM  
TemperedEdge: Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. See: Pat Robertson and Pot...

true, but you're talking about reversing course after a multiple decades-long slide in the wrong direction. As far as fielding a viable candidate in 2016, it's possible, but the party on a whole is really farking itself.
 
2012-03-10 08:50:01 PM  

Dear Jerk: herrDrFarkenstein
Envirodude is gonna flip in 2016 when Obama goes for three

No need. The Republicans have shown they can't hide their contempt for women. They don't even have code in place, like they do for racism. This is good news, for Clinton.


Wow, Hillary in 2016? You may be on to something. If only the GOP will continue their Back to the Dark Ages tour that long.
 
2012-03-10 08:51:54 PM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


i42.tinypic.com

OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
 
2012-03-10 08:52:33 PM  
I think Obama is going to be a joke in the debates.

I don't mean that he's going to fail, I think he's really gonna get up there and say: "Hey Mitt, what's got two thumbs, one eye, a big schlong, and killed Bin Laden?" And then wink at the camera with a double Fonzi and go: "This guyyyyy!"
 
2012-03-10 08:52:52 PM  

sugardave: Dear Jerk: herrDrFarkenstein
Envirodude is gonna flip in 2016 when Obama goes for three

No need. The Republicans have shown they can't hide their contempt for women. They don't even have code in place, like they do for racism. This is good news, for Clinton.

Wow, Hillary in 2016? You may be on to something. If only the GOP will continue their Back to the Dark Ages tour that long.


I actually think (if she can win the Senate seat in Massachusetts) it'll be Warren in '20. I'm assuming the Republicans win the White House in '16 just because morons will be thinking HURR CANT LET WON PARTY IN DA WHITE HOUSE 2 LONG.
 
2012-03-10 08:52:59 PM  

Glicky: Romney's primary failure for me is his inability to articulate a clear policy and stick with.


romney's primary failure for me is the people he's willing play crazy for.

it isn't just that he's playing windsock, it's that he's willing to do it towards a whole lot of crazy - now contemplate the crazy you know exists in the house.

i can't picture mittster reigning in the loons - or he'd have at least tried by now.
 
2012-03-10 08:53:23 PM  
And now congressional Republicans are planning another cunning stunt -- go back on their word and threatening to shutdown government. Those farkers would suffer a collective brain concussion if they ever truly did get struck by an idea.
 
2012-03-10 08:56:43 PM  
Ten reasons I cherry picked and made up Obama will not be re-elected if every single one of my retarded scenarios comes true. Suck it, libs(but I'm not gay, really)
 
2012-03-10 08:56:53 PM  
sugardave
If only the GOP will continue their Back to the Dark Ages tour that long.

They will. They can't help it. They will keep doubling down until whites are no longer the majority. When they finally give up, the parties will realign.
 
2012-03-10 08:57:08 PM  
Subby,

Please don't take this the wrong way, but why is Fark so obsessed with Libs sucking things?

Signed,

Sigmund Freud
 
2012-03-10 08:58:43 PM  

TemperedEdge: ultraholland: you're incredibly optimistic

It's part of being liberal: looking forward instead of backward. And hey, let's face it. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. See: Pat Robertson and Pot...


Conservatives are fundamentally afraid of the future. They have no way of dealing with it, because they have no idea what determinism and quantum physics is all about. They simultaneously fail to realize the past was a complete frigging nightmare if you really drag it out and examine it. For them it was something to survive, and the best parts will suffice. Typically they were mistreated as children, and the harsher the mistreatment, the more twisted the resultant mind.

Talk about post-traumatic stress disorder.
 
2012-03-10 08:59:28 PM  
On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

You know, he's on to something, but I'm afraid his numbers are a little off. Look at these prices:

i158.photobucket.com


And I assure you, this picture was before Obama was elected.
 
2012-03-10 09:00:33 PM  
That list is laughable and so is anyone who honestly believes Obama will not be re-elected. Look, I don't love the guy either. There's a lot of things I don't like about him. Sure, they are very different from your omgz socializm reasons, but I know he is far from perfect. But, that withstanding, nobody who has been paying attention and is rational will be voting for any of the republican candidates. It just isn't going to happen. Neither democrats or republicans are enthusiastic about voting this time around, but I'm willing to bet the sheer amount of crazy the right has been spewing lately has energized the left far more than the right.
 
2012-03-10 09:01:14 PM  

Dear Jerk: herrDrFarkenstein
Envirodude is gonna flip in 2016 when Obama goes for three

No need. The Republicans have shown they can't hide their contempt for women. They don't even have code in place, like they do for racism. This is good news, for Clinton.


It's not going to be Clinton, and she knows it; she'll be nearly 70 by then. G.W. Bush was most likely the last baby boomer President.
 
2012-03-10 09:01:30 PM  
maxblumenthal.com

11. Bibi and AIPAC want to bury Barry.


/GOP = Grateful and Obedient Puppets
 
2012-03-10 09:03:16 PM  
I need to confess something - I just submitted a link with a headline that totally misrepresents TFA. I didn't do it on purpose; it was just a reading comprehension problem (Dogfish Head 90 Minute Imperial IPA may have been involved). I noticed my mistake right after I clicked "submit," and now I'm terrified that anyone else will discover that I'm the knucklehead responsible.

Thanks for listening, guys. I feel a little better.
 
2012-03-10 09:05:44 PM  
FloydA

Valid point about Clinton's age. In other news, Obama is a boomer.
 
2012-03-10 09:05:44 PM  
BMulligan: I just submitted a link with a headline that totally misrepresents TFA.

Pricipal Caught sayof?
 
2012-03-10 09:06:51 PM  

andrewagill: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

You know, he's on to something, but I'm afraid his numbers are a little off. Look at these prices:

[i158.photobucket.com image 640x477]

And I assure you, this picture was before Obama was elected.


I remember my father biatching when gas went to 25 cents a gallon. On the plus side, when it hit the unthinkable price of 27 cents a gallon in 1969, the stations started giving out free glassware with every fill-up (in addition to checking your oil and tire pressure).
 
2012-03-10 09:07:06 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: TemperedEdge: ultraholland: you're incredibly optimistic

It's part of being liberal: looking forward instead of backward. And hey, let's face it. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. See: Pat Robertson and Pot...

Conservatives are fundamentally afraid of the future. They have no way of dealing with it, because they have no idea what determinism and quantum physics is all about. They simultaneously fail to realize the past was a complete frigging nightmare if you really drag it out and examine it. For them it was something to survive, and the best parts will suffice. Typically they were mistreated as children, and the harsher the mistreatment, the more twisted the resultant mind.

Talk about post-traumatic stress disorder.


i never really thought about it this way, but i've been friends with a lot of people who were raised in conservative families. The ones who were treated well (i.e., not abused or neglected) turned into pretty liberal people as adults. The ones who were abused or neglected turned into conservative a-holes like their parents.
 
2012-03-10 09:07:44 PM  

sugardave: Dear Jerk: herrDrFarkenstein
Envirodude is gonna flip in 2016 when Obama goes for three

No need. The Republicans have shown they can't hide their contempt for women. They don't even have code in place, like they do for racism. This is good news, for Clinton.

Wow, Hillary in 2016? You may be on to something. If only the GOP will continue their Back to the Dark Ages tour that long.


I was thinking the other day; the GOP has their convention in August and the Democrats are in September. Let's say that the GOP goes the brokered convention route and ends up with a white knight solution. Let's say a Jeb Bush/Christie ticket. (For maximum shiats 'n giggles, imagine Palin/Bachmann.)

In response the Democrats double down and give Hillary the VP slot with Biden to take over as Sec of State in January 2013

" Laissez les bons temps rouler ".
 
2012-03-10 09:08:20 PM  
Young folks aren't fired up?

What the heck was Occupy Wall Street?

Do you think that young women aren't keeping a close eye on the current race to the bottom of misogynistic rhetoric?

The list is relatively reasoned, if you have no firm grip on reality. In general terms, gas high, unemployment, war, but then you have to look at the quagmire that Afghanistan was under first AND second term for GW. The tanking economy. The implosion of the markets. The second quagmire that we just got out of, and under great protest by folks who really would like to continue war spending--but without raising taxes, save on the folks who can absorb the hit least, and who actually keep currency circulating, as opposed to heading overseas or locked up in banks--who aren't lending, because everyone is trying to sell thanks to the imploded housing market that came from what again?

It is the sort of list that a first year poli sci student might write, if they had been hit in the head with a ball peen hammer, and didn't actually read newspapers or keep current on events.

Obama might indeed have some trouble this election, but for entirely different reasons than the ones that this piece of the Justification Machine is trying to peddle...
 
2012-03-10 09:09:55 PM  
Point-by-point from a rational conservative point of view:

1) The economy is struggling, yes, but even if a conservative economist would say that what he is doing is bad, there's a temporal aspect to the spending. The question isn't if it creates more problems now, but if the problems it causes in the future are worth it. You really gotta hope the payment doesn't come due in a manner that's truly destructive.

Bottom line: Obama did not make the economy worse for the last three years - but that's not a useful narrative for the GOP, and the more sophisticated narrative regarding the future doesn't resonate, even with people who accept the basic assertions.

2) The president has nothing to do with this. Speculation has nothing to do with this. Tensions in the Middle East matter, but not nearly so much as demand.

3) People seem to forget that Afghanistan was a war with proper justification. We got bogged down when we decided to nation-build, and now it's a tar baby that's even stickier than Iraq was. Ultimately, not Obama's fault - the nation-building decision has doomed us, and only a complete "cut-and-run" will result in anything different. But then it will become Taliban all over again, and whatever administration does it will be forever tarred with the results. We're in for the long-run, people.

4) This is pretty accurate: young people are notoriously hard to get motivated to care about politics, and Obama had something special last time. He won't have it this time, and it will narrow the margins. Will it be enough to lose him the election? I doubt it.

5) Maybe a useful observation that ties into #1, but it's not Obama's fault. True Free Market capitalists believe that people will lend if money is there to be made. They don't do it to spite, our avoid it out of fear (at least, not at the marginal rates of fear we're talking about here).

6) Probably not in any meaningful amounts. Let's say he gets 42% this time. That works out to 0.1% difference in the vote. (OK - probably double that because their participation is higher.) But that's really pretty meaningless unless it's 2000 and it's Florida. If it close, if might matter.

7) This is really all about #1 again. The dirty secret, of course, is that even conservative economics believes in unemployment and so on. The particulars matter, but the fact the rolls are longer does not give us enough information about his policies. However, unhappy people tend to "vote the bums out" and this will hurt Obama at least some. (Certainly, you would admit the converse would help him.)

8) This is a real problem. I don't know how to unwind our position, but the numbers are getting to the point that fewer and fewer people can ignore them. We have serious spending problems, and we have to make some very, very, very hard decisions, including about defense.

9) This is a bit of a perplexing evolution. The US will NEVER default on its debt. Not in MY lifetime. It just ain't happening. And when and if it DOES happen, you may as well, in the words of my econ professor, just tear off your shirt and start burning things. So why the downgrade? Were the ratings agencies trying to send a warning? Hard to say exactly. But this problem is a bipartisan one.

10) Seriously, this is just pathetic. I don't even want to start to address this nonsense.
 
2012-03-10 09:09:57 PM  
Wow, that article made me dumber just by reading it.
 
2012-03-10 09:10:03 PM  
CptnSpldng
In response the Democrats double down and give Hillary the VP slot with Biden to take over as Sec of State in January 2013

My understanding is that's the plan, regardless of what the GOP does.
 
2012-03-10 09:11:32 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


Reagan won, in a landslide if I recall, with unemployment high but declining.... just like Obama.

It is pretty much inevitable at this point that Obama will win reelection unless a meteor hits him. I am more interested to see if the Republicans can still keep enough seats in the Senate to continue their obstruction with filibuster after filibuster.
 
2012-03-10 09:11:40 PM  

Delay: I haven't been too enthused with Obama's policies. They are too conservative for me. I was pretty unconvinced for 2012. And Obama for America made me sick. So, I thought I would skip it entirely. But, recent Republican shiat like this article guarantees I will get myself to the polls in November. Guarantees it. And I will bring everyone else that I can drive. Republicans are bat shiat insane and should never, ever be allowed anywhere near a position of power.


Aaaaand, that's it.

I was hoping for more zing from Obama as well, but now it's a question of keeping this country safe from the Talibangelicals and robber barons.
 
2012-03-10 09:12:45 PM  
More then half of those applied to Bush in 2004 and look how that turned out making this pretty much invalid.
 
2012-03-10 09:15:25 PM  
Truncks1
I am more interested to see if the Republicans can still keep enough seats in the Senate to continue their obstruction with filibuster after filibuster.

It only takes one, and several Republicans aren't even up for reelection this year.
 
2012-03-10 09:15:41 PM  
Ricardo Klement: 2) The president has nothing to do with this. Speculation has nothing to do with this. Tensions in the Middle East matter, but not nearly so much as demand.

I must amend this by saying that while current US demand is down (and I don't think the refining capabilities have changed) world demand is still increasing and that ultimately effects the price of crude. On top of that producers will be switching over to summer blends, so expect gas to go higher.
 
2012-03-10 09:17:05 PM  

Dear Jerk: CptnSpldng
In response the Democrats double down and give Hillary the VP slot with Biden to take over as Sec of State in January 2013

My understanding is that's the plan, regardless of what the GOP does.


regardless of the fact that hillary clinton has said that she's retiring from politics?
 
2012-03-10 09:19:18 PM  

erik-k: FishyFred: EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.

30 or 40 years from now, people are going to be comparing Obama to FDR. So... yeah, he kind of is FDR. Maybe not AS brilliant as a communicator, but his degree of difficulty was exponentially greater on nearly all fronts.

I'd vote for FDR in an instant. A president openly calling out war profiteers and comparing bankers to mobsters? And saying he knows they hate him and that he welcomes their hatred? If only.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Came to say this.

FDR was formidable: "I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master."

For better or worse, it's a second term for Obama because the Republicans have gone full retard. And I hope that he uses that second term to deliver. (But to be honest I'm not going to hold my breath.)
 
2012-03-10 09:21:23 PM  

ultraholland: Ricardo Klement: 2) The president has nothing to do with this. Speculation has nothing to do with this. Tensions in the Middle East matter, but not nearly so much as demand.

I must amend this by saying that while current US demand is down (and I don't think the refining capabilities have changed) world demand is still increasing and that ultimately effects the price of crude. On top of that producers will be switching over to summer blends, so expect gas to go higher.


Well, yes, that was my meaning. World demand is the only demand that matters. The US is not a closed system.
 
2012-03-10 09:23:10 PM  
OK, reading the first page alone, almost all of these are things he was handed by the previous administration of Frick and Frack, or things he has no control over, or both.

1. The Economy was down well before 2008, but nice way to try and tie it into Obama's fault.

2. Gas is more expensive, but it STILL isn't as expensive as it was when Bush was at the helm. As pointed out time and time again while Bush was in power by the moronic Right, the president has no control over this anyway.

3. The war in Afghanistan was a fiasco almost before Bush abandoned it to go into Iraq. Obama already got us out of Iraq, how much can he do at once?

4. I see no numbers that state how many people in the "younger" category have said that they will not vote for him.

5. Which banks does Obama control again? He'd better start cracking skulls and tell them to start lending money, dammit.

The rest of the list is just as weak. House prices crashed BEFORE he was even elected, welfare was rising, as well as unemployment when he came in the door. After unemployment continuing its climb, it has started to drop. As for the credit rating issue, maybe if the Republicans weren't currently the Party of No, even voting against ideas that were previously their own ONLY because Obama supports them, things would be different.

Obama was handed control of the Titanic in the first 1/1000th of a second after it hit the iceberg, and now every idiot with ADD thinks it's his fault. Has he had as much of an impact as I'd hope? Nope, of course not. Would I like to see ANY of these Republicans in charge? Hell no. You people lost your chance for an actual competent and sane candidate(Therefore my vote) when you let Huntsman drop out. None of the other shiat-for-brains zombies are worth the title of pooper-scooper, let alone President.

You people created the mess mostly by claiming that everything was peachy. The initial climb in gas prices is due to Bush's reckless decisions regarding starting wars in the Middle East, and quickly went out of the control of anyone in charge. This fiasco is at least 90% the fault of the Right, so suck it Cons...

/America hating pieces of shiat run rampant through the Republican Party
 
2012-03-10 09:38:13 PM  

Dear Jerk: FloydA

Valid point about Clinton's age. In other news, Obama is a boomer.


Depends on who you ask. Strauss and Howe (new window) list the Baby Boom as 1943 to 1960 (new window). Under their definition, he's the first Gen-X. The Census extends the boom to '64, although birth rates were in decline by 1957.

But in any case, I don't think there will be another Baby Boomer President, unless something really unusual happens.
 
2012-03-10 09:38:53 PM  
Mitt Romney.

Suck it, cons.

\Con-servative?
\\Con-vict?
\\\Con-man?
\\\\That can't be a coincidence.
 
2012-03-10 09:40:23 PM  
Short of the article writer assassinating Obama, I am not so sure they know what they are talking about.
 
2012-03-10 09:43:18 PM  
No mention of statisticals?
 
2012-03-10 09:44:26 PM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?


That summer was awful. I remember breaking down in tears as half of my paycheck disappeared into the gas tank.
 
2012-03-10 09:46:45 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: While the article is a raging pile of monkey shiat I do have to applaud the noise machine for their absolute rock-solid repetition of the "Gas was $1.85 a gallon before Obama" lie. That's some consistency in spin that the Democrats could learn from.


To be fair, I remember when gas was $0.849/gallon, and that was before Obama, too.
 
2012-03-10 09:48:02 PM  
3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco. Obama's good war has turned into a mess. We are eyeing a second Vietnam.

So all the years we spent basically ignoring this war under Bush don't count?
 
2012-03-10 09:49:55 PM  
I would much rather see Rick go up to Obama. Just imagine the debates. He could totally fark with him with simple key words. During the duel screen you'll just see his face twitch when Obama says 'frothy' or 'bi-product.'
 
2012-03-10 09:51:36 PM  

FloydA: G.W. Bush was most likely the last baby boomer President.


By most definitions, Obama is a Baby Boomer.
 
2012-03-10 09:51:55 PM  
I have to admit, it looks bleak for the GOP ever since the gangs of GOP storm-troopers came blitzing through town looting and burning every drugstore in sight. A friend of mine was dragged out in the street and shot execution-style, clutching a condom which she and her boyfriend planned to use later that evening. This nightmare scenario is playing out right before our very eyes and women everywhere can see it. Only president Obama can save us now. The very existence of sexual devices and reproductive medicine is at stake!

Gas is expensive, unemployment, which we were promised the stimulus would take to 6% is still around 8.5% and our soldiers are still dying in a bullshiat war, protecting a country that has sworn war against us. Keep sending those ants over the hill, libs - one of them will get to the top eventually.
 
2012-03-10 09:53:01 PM  

weave: I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?


In January 2011, according to the Google Maps car, the price had gone down at that station...

Street view (new window)
 
2012-03-10 10:01:32 PM  

LeroyBourne: I would much rather see Rick go up to Obama. Just imagine the debates. He could totally fark with him with simple key words. During the duel screen you'll just see his face twitch when Obama says 'frothy' or 'bi-product.'


LOL. +1
 
2012-03-10 10:24:00 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: 3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco. Obama's good war has turned into a mess. We are eyeing a second Vietnam.

So all the years we spent basically ignoring this war under Bush don't count?


Exactly! If you just ignore something, it will stop being a problem. Why can't libtards just ignore equal rights like the GOP? STOP CREATING PROBLEMS, DEMOCRATS!
 
2012-03-10 10:26:17 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


We get it. FDR wasn't black.
 
2012-03-10 10:31:26 PM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


Other than Reagan. But good try.

And statistically, unemployment has no barring on presidential election outcomes.
 
2012-03-10 10:31:46 PM  

o5iiawah: Gas is expensive, unemployment, which we were promised the stimulus would take to 6% is still around 8.5% and our soldiers are still dying in a bullshiat war, protecting a country that has sworn war against us. Keep sending those ants over the hill, libs - one of them will get to the top eventually.


You're right. What we need now is new war in Iran, austerity measures, and a tax hike on the middle class. Go Republicans!
 
2012-03-10 10:38:15 PM  
I'll just leave this here...

Link (new window)

/Not a republican
 
2012-03-10 10:42:08 PM  

Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco.
That's what happens when your idiot leader runs off to chase windmills in Iraq.

4. The kids are not fired up.
Who else are they going to vote for? The clowns you guys have assembled? hahaguy.jpg

5. Lending is still down.
Meh.


I'm just not buying reason number 2. Gas here still isn't as high as it was under the previous administration.
 
2012-03-10 10:43:23 PM  

Dafatone: This is a sentence. I am an author. These are the sentences I write. I have never used a comma.

What is a comma? I do not know. My sentences all have four words. Except for that one.


i3.squidoocdn.com
 
2012-03-10 10:45:06 PM  
Someone should really advise The Onion that they could get sued for this.
 
2012-03-10 10:51:36 PM  

Swagulus: I'll just leave this here...

Link (new window)

/Not a republican


Wow, I got to admit that the Republicans have some big balls to even toss that card out after 8 years of this.

/Yeah I know it's a "But... but...Bush" But c'mon!
 
2012-03-10 10:53:15 PM  

DeaH: Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco.
That's what happens when your idiot leader runs off to chase windmills in Iraq.

4. The kids are not fired up.
Who else are they going to vote for? The clowns you guys have assembled? hahaguy.jpg

5. Lending is still down.
Meh.

I'm just not buying reason number 2. Gas here still isn't as high as it was under the previous administration.


This picture was already posted in this thread by weave, and was taken while Dub was in charge..
 
2012-03-10 10:56:05 PM  

Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.



Keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-03-10 10:57:05 PM  
That entire list reeks of desperation.
 
2012-03-10 10:58:51 PM  
i.thestreet-static.com
Corporate Leadership Analyst, Kathleen Brush PhD, MBA, is an international "Turn-Around Executive" and holds a PhD in Business Management and an MBA with a focus in International Business. Kathleen has been CEO and President for several global companies over the last 20 years. She is the author of "The World Made Easy" and "Leadership: Get Ready for the Latest Global Challenges."

Translation: Can't hold a long-term job because smart businesspeople quickly recognize her empty schtick and nobody can stand her obnoxious demoralizing partisan fanaticism.
 
2012-03-10 10:59:15 PM  
FFS...

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?


not letting me link the pic, but over $4 gas in the before time...
 
2012-03-10 11:00:26 PM  

BuckTurgidson: [i.thestreet-static.com image 187x169]
Corporate Leadership Analyst, Kathleen Brush PhD, MBA, is an international "Turn-Around Executive" and holds a PhD in Business Management and an MBA with a focus in International Business. Kathleen has been CEO and President for several global companies over the last 20 years. She is the author of "The World Made Easy" and "Leadership: Get Ready for the Latest Global Challenges."

Translation: Can't hold a long-term job because smart businesspeople quickly recognize her empty schtick and nobody can stand her obnoxious demoralizing partisan fanaticism.


No way. That's Gary Busey in a wig
 
2012-03-10 11:04:04 PM  
11. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

www.australiaentertains.com.au
 
2012-03-10 11:07:02 PM  

Uncle Tractor: 2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.



It IS a bad thing. Yes, I realize that higher gas prices lead to greater conservation and an increased effort to find alternatives, and those are both good things. However, high gas prices are also straining an already weak economy as well. I'm a strong believer in finding alternative sources of energy and saving the planet, but right now gas is what we have. If I can't feed my family because I spent my paycheck buying gas so I could to get to work, I'm going to say "f*ck the polar bears, I need cheaper gas now!". It's easy to be smug about high gas prices when you aren't greatly affected by them. When they make your daily struggle even harder, it's not quite so simple.
 
2012-03-10 11:09:16 PM  

tinyarena: 11. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

[www.australiaentertains.com.au image 240x320]


She's going to eat my soul, isn't she? I always knew it would end like this.
 
2012-03-10 11:10:33 PM  
WOW! That's ALMOST as interesting as your "10 Reasons Barack Obama is Unelectable" list from 2008!!!

/not actually sure if such a list existed from this publication or this author
//would be willing to bet funny money it did, though
 
2012-03-10 11:10:54 PM  

9beers: Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.


Keep farking that chicken.


So they have no hand at all in the running of your country having control of the Congress and the Senate?
 
2012-03-10 11:13:47 PM  
Might I just be another person that goes:

9. The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOOD FRIGGIN' LUCK PINNING THAT ONE ON HIM TO ANYBODY OUTSIDE YOUR ECHO CHAMBER!

Thank you. That is all.
 
2012-03-10 11:16:13 PM  

Defeated: That entire list reeks of desperation.


Maybe my tinfoil's a little tight, but first you have Gallup reporting Romney outpolling Obama and now Rasmussen. Meanwhile you have little pieces like this in publications aimed towards a more conservative audience. Back in the real world, Obama's approval ratings have rarely been higher and Rmoney's favorables are still in the shiatter. Its as if there's this massive concerted effort to make the GOP frontrunner appear, let's say, 'electable' regardless of evidence that he's still got a big hill to climb there. Interesting how that's all playing out the longer Frothy and Gingrich draw out the primary process.
 
2012-03-10 11:24:24 PM  

BuckTurgidson: Corporate Leadership Analyst, Kathleen Brush PhD, MBA, is an international "Turn-Around Executive" and holds a PhD in Business Management and an MBA with a focus in International Business. Kathleen has been CEO and President for several global companies over the last 20 years. She is the author of "The World Made Easy" and "Leadership: Get Ready for the Latest Global Challenges."


She's also the author of this: Occupy Wall Street Could Be Mitt Romney's Ticket to Occupy White House.

I wonder how many of those 'global companies' have ties to Bain Capital.
 
2012-03-10 11:27:28 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: BuckTurgidson: Corporate Leadership Analyst, Kathleen Brush PhD, MBA, is an international "Turn-Around Executive" and holds a PhD in Business Management and an MBA with a focus in International Business. Kathleen has been CEO and President for several global companies over the last 20 years. She is the author of "The World Made Easy" and "Leadership: Get Ready for the Latest Global Challenges."

She's also the author of this: Occupy Wall Street Could Be Mitt Romney's Ticket to Occupy White House.

I wonder how many of those 'global companies' have ties to Bain Capital.


Bain's pretty big on the Yale campus. if a young Yalie doesn't get an "in" in with Bain, they are hurt.



And my stupid, provincial, Midwestern ass smiles.
 
2012-03-10 11:28:49 PM  
1 reason why Obama wins, he will be runninig against a republican

/nuff said
 
2012-03-10 11:28:52 PM  

Oldiron_79: 1 and only 1 reason is needed to explain why he will lose, $4 a gallon gas.

Its the same reason McSame/Failin got beaten by Nobama to begin with. Its also why Nobama is gonna lose to Mormoney or Sanitarium or she turned me into a Newt


are you 12?
 
2012-03-10 11:32:53 PM  

Swagulus: I'll just leave this here...

Link (new window)

/Not a republican


And?

Ok, yes. Obama has stuttered for a whole minute during the past four years. The video nicely cobbles together bits of him stuttering.
 
2012-03-10 11:35:58 PM  
Yeah, about that whole Iran, oil prices thing:

Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei, the highest authority figure within the Islamic Republic of Iran, is publically applauding US President Barack Obama over the American commander-in-chief's insistence in postponing any military pressure overseas.

"This talk is good talk and shows an exit from illusion."

Just like Ronald Reagan did, Obama has cut a deal.
 
2012-03-10 11:38:59 PM  

DarwiOdrade: 1) Kenyan
2) Muslim
3) Socialist
4) Communist
5) Sharia Law
6) Abortion
7) Empty Suit
8) Liberal MSM Lamestream Media
9) Obamacare
10) NiBONG


11) Teleprompters!
12) Thinks there are 57 states

and for the bottom rung mouth breathers

13) WHAR BIRF CERFTFCT?!?!? WHAARRR??????????/
 
2012-03-10 11:39:46 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: BuckTurgidson: Corporate Leadership Analyst, Kathleen Brush PhD, MBA, is an international "Turn-Around Executive" and holds a PhD in Business Management and an MBA with a focus in International Business. Kathleen has been CEO and President for several global companies over the last 20 years. She is the author of "The World Made Easy" and "Leadership: Get Ready for the Latest Global Challenges."

She's also the author of this: Occupy Wall Street Could Be Mitt Romney's Ticket to Occupy White House.


Reads exactly like what I've come to expect from her kind of utterly unproductive, talentless, constantly self-promoting passive-voice buzzword-larded memo artisans who specialize in encysting themselves into the upper management of otherwise-successful organizations and leeching as much income as possible before their inevitable and well-prepared-for bounce to the next unsuspecting company.
 
2012-03-10 11:44:20 PM  
1. The economy is struggling...>>Also see: 10 Reasons Obama Will Be Re-Elected

Fine, what reasons do you have that he will be reelected?

2. The economy is recovering.

That's some fine journalism right there.
 
2012-03-10 11:45:23 PM  
Just grabbing the first five:

1. The economy is struggling -- except for the fact that it's recovered significantly and even stupid people see that the general trend is upward at this point.

2. Gas is more and more expensive -- but not in the kind of dramatic spikes that the electorate actually notices, just the kind of gradual change that has been going on since the 1890s

3. The war in Afghanistan -- Has been low-key to the point of not even making the news more than once in three months for almost a year now.

4. The kids are not fired up -- which doesn't really matter since incumbents have something ridiculous like a ten-point inherent advantage just by being incumbents, far in excess of obama's ostensible youth-based advantage in 2008

5. Lending is still down -- see 1 and 2. It's down from 2006, but the trend is upward and that's a longer attention span than the electorate has ever, ever evidenced.
 
2012-03-10 11:47:03 PM  

Ryker's Peninsula: I think Obama is going to be a joke in the debates.

I don't mean that he's going to fail, I think he's really gonna get up there and say: "Hey Mitt, what's got two thumbs, one eye, a big schlong, and killed Bin Laden?" And then wink at the camera with a double Fonzi and go: "This guyyyyy!"


I'm hoping he does a zero negativity campaign, and all ads are nothing but clips of his opponent pandering, contradicting himself, and outright lying. Plenty of material to pick and choose from.
 
2012-03-10 11:56:05 PM  

sno man: DeaH: Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco.
That's what happens when your idiot leader runs off to chase windmills in Iraq.

4. The kids are not fired up.
Who else are they going to vote for? The clowns you guys have assembled? hahaguy.jpg

5. Lending is still down.
Meh.

I'm just not buying reason number 2. Gas here still isn't as high as it was under the previous administration.

This picture was already posted in this thread by weave, and was taken while Dub was in charge..


I'm all for a little Dada, but huh?
 
2012-03-11 12:09:24 AM  

DeaH: sno man: DeaH: Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco.
That's what happens when your idiot leader runs off to chase windmills in Iraq.

4. The kids are not fired up.
Who else are they going to vote for? The clowns you guys have assembled? hahaguy.jpg

5. Lending is still down.
Meh.

I'm just not buying reason number 2. Gas here still isn't as high as it was under the previous administration.

This picture was already posted in this thread by weave, and was taken while Dub was in charge..

I'm all for a little Dada, but huh?


$4 gas existed longer ago than you care to remember. search "weave". early in the thread. for the pic I can't link.
 
2012-03-11 12:12:48 AM  
I feel like I'm going to have to start posting something like this every time a thread like this pops up.

It is VERY DIFFICULT for an incumbent president to lose a re-election campaign, especially in the last 100 years. Consider:

1912: Incumbent - Taft. Lost because Roosevelt ran third party and split the GOP vote.
1916: Incumbent - Wilson. Won.
1920: No incumbent
1924: Incumbent - Coolidge. Won.
1928: No incumbent
1932: Incumbent - Hoover. Lost. 12 years of GOP presidency had culminated in Great Depression.
1936: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions.
1940: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions, impending world war and running for a 3rd term.
1944: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite world war and running for a 4th term.
1948: Incumbent - Truman. Won despite everybody assuming he'd lose.
1952: No incumbent
1956: Incumbent - Eisenhower. Won.
1960: No incumbent
1964: Incumbent - Johnson. Won.
1968: Incumbent - Johnson. Threatened with being primaried, did not run.
1972: Incumbent - Nixon. Won.
1976: Incumbent - Ford. Lost. Was primaried and had specter of Watergate over him.
1980: Incumbent - Carter. Lost. Was primaried, ran an incredibly inept campaign and had the Iran hostage crisis hanging over him.
1984: Incumbent - Reagan. Won.
1988: No incumbent.
1992: Incumbent - Bush 1. Lost. Was primaried and had a significant 3rd party challenger who siphoned more votes from him than from the main opponent.
1996: Incumbent - Clinton. Won.
2000: No incumbent.
2004: Incumbent - Bush 2. Won despite being Bush 2.
2008: No incumbent.

For a sitting president to not win re-election, at least one of the following is necessary.

1. A significant primary challenge.
2. A significant third party challenger who siphons more votes from him than from the main opponent.
3. A very serious crisis hanging overhead.


Obama has not been primaried, despite the desires of many liberals to see this happen.
If there is a 3rd party challenger it will be a break-off from the GOP.
Only point 3 is even debatable, but with economic signs improving it's hard to argue that today's economic situation is remotely comparable to what doomed campaigns previously.


Everybody is interested in debating back and forth whether policy decision X or economic situation Y means that the American people will turn on the sitting president, but people have an inexplicable blind spot to the clear fact that, when an election cycle proceeds in an "orderly" fashion, without a primary challenge and without a clear 3rd party alternative to the sitting president (as opposed to an alternative to the challenger), the sitting president has an incredible house advantage. Unless something really bonkers happens in the next few months (and, granted, there's a long way to go), Obama is going to win in November.
 
2012-03-11 12:17:49 AM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


Obama, via his magical time machine.

Just like it was Obama who got us mired in Afghanistan way way way back in 2002. It's miraculous, what that man's been able to pull off while he's been in office!
 
2012-03-11 12:19:33 AM  

You Cant Explain That: Ryker's Peninsula:
I'm hoping he does a zero negativity campaign, and all ads are nothing but clips of his opponent pandering, contradicting himself, and outright lying. Plenty of material to pick and choose from.


The way the Super Pac thing will likely fall out, I am pretty sure that's what will happen. The surrogates will do all the nasty work, and the candidates will try to stay above it all.
 
2012-03-11 12:45:59 AM  

9beers: Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.


Keep farking that chicken.


Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
 
2012-03-11 12:46:56 AM  

tarkus1980: Unless something really bonkers happens in the next few months (and, granted, there's a long way to go), Obama is going to win in November.


Okay.

So, does the U.S. political landscape offer anything worthy of consideration this election year?

Well ....

State executives: Some monumental ultra-right scumbag tools gained governorships in 2010, and have been gleefully flamethrowing citizens' rights like meth-addled yahoos.

State legislatures: Republicans gained heavily in the last election, which afforded them control over census-dictated redistricting, and they've been anything but shameless about abusing their advantage to try solidifying their partisan power.

U.S. House: every seat is up for grabs. The Koch-type megawealthy are busily ensuring their various representatives stay bought, and there's not a soul to stop them. The Democrats, in their infinite wisdom, turned tail on their Blue Dogs who at least mostly voted with them, turning the chamber over to the f*cking full-fanatical nazi freaks.

U.S. Senate: there is every likelihood that not only will the Democrats not attain the supermajority they need to advance anything worthwhile on behalf of you and I and the rest of our countrymen, but that America will hand over the Senate legislative schedule and committee chairs to our most trusted steward Mitch McTurtle.

U.S. President: Let's, for the purpose of argument, dispense with the unthinkable impossibility of one of the current Republican candidates taking the White House. Instead, consider how little your interests will be advanced against the obdurate insanity of a Republican-controlled House of Representatives under John Boehner and a Republican-controlled Senate under Mitch McConnell.
 
2012-03-11 12:49:14 AM  

tarkus1980: I feel like I'm going to have to start posting something like this every time a thread like this pops up.

It is VERY DIFFICULT for an incumbent president to lose a re-election campaign, especially in the last 100 years. Consider:

1912: Incumbent - Taft. Lost because Roosevelt ran third party and split the GOP vote.
1916: Incumbent - Wilson. Won.
1920: No incumbent
1924: Incumbent - Coolidge. Won.
1928: No incumbent
1932: Incumbent - Hoover. Lost. 12 years of GOP presidency had culminated in Great Depression.
1936: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions.
1940: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions, impending world war and running for a 3rd term.
1944: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite world war and running for a 4th term.
1948: Incumbent - Truman. Won despite everybody assuming he'd lose.
1952: No incumbent
1956: Incumbent - Eisenhower. Won.
1960: No incumbent
1964: Incumbent - Johnson. Won.
1968: Incumbent - Johnson. Threatened with being primaried, did not run.
1972: Incumbent - Nixon. Won.
1976: Incumbent - Ford. Lost. Was primaried and had specter of Watergate over him.
1980: Incumbent - Carter. Lost. Was primaried, ran an incredibly inept campaign and had the Iran hostage crisis hanging over him.

1984: Incumbent - Reagan. Won.
1988: No incumbent.
1992: Incumbent - Bush 1. Lost. Was primaried and had a significant 3rd party challenger who siphoned more votes from him than from the main opponent.
1996: Incumbent - Clinton. Won.
2000: No incumbent.
2004: Incumbent - Bush 2. Won despite being Bush 2.
2008: No incumbent.


You need to bold that shiat to make sure your point gets across.
 
2012-03-11 01:24:11 AM  

FloydA: I just think that they are giving you exactly the opposite of what they promised, and hoping that you won't notice.


I assure you, I've noticed. There's a whole lot of holding my nose when I vote. On the one hand, I'ld kinda like to see the Republicans get there asses trounced in the next elections to teach them a lesson, but the thought of a Democratic house and Congress bothers me even more.

Ideally I'ld like to see a strong third party emerge, so maybe one day I can vote FOR someone instead of always having to vote against someone.
 
2012-03-11 01:48:42 AM  

EatenTheSun: the thought of a Democratic house and Congress bothers me even more.


Why?

When you look at what Bush did, and when you look at what Obama has done, and you look at what today's Republicans WANT to do, how can you justify voting Republican? I don't think you'll find a greater example of voting against your own best interests and the best interests of those around you if you vote Republican today. Unless you are ridiculously wealthy, you will hurt yourself voting a Republican into office. It's really just that simple.

You're smart enough to see through the lies and intellectually honest enough not to buy into the cries of socialism, communism, fascism, Kenyan-Nazi-Muslim-terrorist bullshiat to know this.
 
2012-03-11 03:28:03 AM  
Let's face it. Obama could be caught on stage schtupping a Boy Scout, with a burning flag in one hand and a Koran in the other, and still win with what the GOP has offered thus far in this election.

/ and I am an Independant/.....
 
2012-03-11 03:29:22 AM  
But in the style of truman holding the paper "Dewey defeats Truman", I want to see a smiling Rick holding a paper that says "Obama licks Santorum" next to the Florida tag while Dems fume that the butterfly ballot and Gays confusion over the term "Santorum" led them to accidentally vote republican.

Gay man on a Palm Beach street interview: "I thought I was voting for santorum, not Rick Santorum. Check my chads."
 
2012-03-11 03:29:48 AM  

Delay: I haven't been too enthused with Obama's policies. They are too conservative for me. I was pretty unconvinced for 2012. And Obama for America made me sick. So, I thought I would skip it entirely. But, recent Republican shiat like this article guarantees I will get myself to the polls in November. Guarantees it. And I will bring everyone else that I can drive. Republicans are bat shiat insane and should never, ever be allowed anywhere near a position of power.


Recent? You were actually thinking of sitting it out? Even after you saw what happened in 2010?

/farking retarded hard left.
 
2012-03-11 03:41:42 AM  

EatenTheSun: FloydA: I just think that they are giving you exactly the opposite of what they promised, and hoping that you won't notice.

I assure you, I've noticed. There's a whole lot of holding my nose when I vote. On the one hand, I'ld kinda like to see the Republicans get there asses trounced in the next elections to teach them a lesson, but the thought of a Democratic house and Congress bothers me even more.

Ideally I'ld like to see a strong third party emerge, so maybe one day I can vote FOR someone instead of always having to vote against someone.


I'm in complete agreement with your idea of a "third" party emerging- in fact I would like to see the US have five, six, 10, or a dozen or more viable parties, TBH.

I'm not too happy with the Democrats right now, but we're kind of faced with two options- the Dems will lube up before they fark us, and the GOP will rub in sand and salt before they fark us.

I'd like to see a coalition of the anti-Wall street sentiment of the OWS people with the anti-interference sentiment of the Tea Party people. Both "sides" recognize that something needs to change- the system as it stands is not working in our best interests. There is an opening for a truly populist movement here. I'd like to see that movement coalesce around what's "good for Americans in the long term," as contrasted with "what's good for me right now."

(Granted, the system is working pretty well for me right now, so my "what's best for us all" sentiment will probably result in slightly less benefits for me, personally. But I would like there to be an America in 100 years, even though I won't live to see it, because I think that the American ideal is pretty inspirational. If I have to choose between immediate profit for myself and the long term sustainability of the USA, I'm going to choose the later. I've probably got another 20 or 30 years until I'm dead; I'd like to see the US outlive me.)

YMMV, of course.
 
2012-03-11 03:47:20 AM  

Ricardo Klement: 2) The president has nothing to do with this. Speculation has nothing to do with this. Tensions in the Middle East matter, but not nearly so much as demand.


WAT? Speculation is a factor. Saber rattling is a factor. If you didn't know, oil is fungible so demand is not as much of a factor as most things.
 
2012-03-11 03:48:42 AM  

EatenTheSun: but the thought of a Democratic house and Congress bothers me even more.


That is farking retarded.
 
2012-03-11 03:51:36 AM  

FloydA: I'd like to see a coalition of the anti-Wall street sentiment of the OWS people with the anti-interference sentiment of the Tea Party people. Both "sides" recognize that something needs to change- the system as it stands is not working in our best interests. There is an opening for a truly populist movement here. I'd like to see that movement coalesce around what's "good for Americans in the long term," as contrasted with "what's good for me right now."


an OWS + libertarian minded mixture would be outstanding. Both sides recognize that our current system is fatally flawed and stacked to favor the big guy. Unfortunately, OWS is too encompassing and involves way too much bad that washes out the good and the populist libertarians think Ron Paul is the dog's balls.
 
2012-03-11 04:48:07 AM  
11. Obama is still black, and to date he has made little or no effort to change this fact!

/That's some good list making there, Lou.
 
2012-03-11 04:50:02 AM  
After reading that hillarious list I can safely say:
www.thefriendlyblogger.com
 
2012-03-11 05:00:41 AM  
6. He's lost the elite. In 2008, Obama carried 52% of the 1%-ers, whom he later demonized."

hhmmm,,,
1/2 of 1% = I dunno, but probably not enough to swing a national election.

/math is hard
 
2012-03-11 05:15:05 AM  
What are you talking about subby? Everything's just perfect. The Hope n Change worked!!! You must be a racist, subby.
 
2012-03-11 05:36:29 AM  

xaveth: What are you talking about subby? Everything's just perfect. The Hope n Change worked!!! You must be a racist, subby.


I hope you had your helmet on when you typed that.
 
2012-03-11 05:42:08 AM  
Wow. I can smell the authors desperation from here in Africa.
 
2012-03-11 06:14:40 AM  

9beers: Keep farking that chicken.


The US economy was doing great under Clinton. Then you retards gave dubya not just one but *two* terms in office, so he could flush it all down the drain (tax cuts, bungling a war by starting a totally unnecessary one), and followed up by voting for a GOP congress who's only goal is to make Obama fail by tanking your economy.

Yeah, I'm still going to blame you teabaggers and your financial voodoo delusions.

/glad I don't live in the US
 
2012-03-11 06:17:57 AM  

Smoking GNU: Wow. I can smell the authors desperation from here in Africa.


Smells like...Santorum.
 
2012-03-11 07:31:18 AM  

xaveth: What are you talking about subby? Everything's just perfect. The Hope n Change worked!!! You must be a racist, subby.


As somebody who DIDN'T vote for Obama in 2008, I have to say that it actually worked a lot better than I thought it would.
 
2012-03-11 07:41:48 AM  

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.


Glad to see you corrected your talking point from the previous thread.
 
2012-03-11 08:11:32 AM  

erik-k: I'd vote for FDR in an instant. A president openly calling out war profiteers and comparing bankers to mobsters? And saying he knows they hate him and that he welcomes their hatred? If only.


I was born near the end of FDR's time in office. I often feel it's been all downhill ever since.
 
2012-03-11 09:08:43 AM  

Javacrucian: Three reasons why none of these matter: 1. Romney 2. Santorum 3. Gingrich


Sadly, this. It really does suck that the best reason for voting for Obama is that at least he isn't one of those three. I'd give him two years before he becomes a lame duck; hopefully in that time he can grow a pair.
 
2012-03-11 09:19:45 AM  

Swagulus: I'll just leave this here...

Link (new window)

/Not a republican


The GOP's (overt) platform. And why they fail.
 
2012-03-11 09:29:53 AM  
Reason one should always be.
Obama was born a loser, and he has carried that all through his life. and he will always be a loser.
Ask the fools who voted for Carter what that feels like. Although in you weak little minds you already know that.
 
2012-03-11 09:43:31 AM  
well i see the talking points have been issued "why are we talking about birth control when we need to talk about jobs creation"
 
2012-03-11 09:51:52 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Might I just be another person that goes:

9. The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOOD FRIGGIN' LUCK PINNING THAT ONE ON HIM TO ANYBODY OUTSIDE YOUR ECHO CHAMBER!

Thank you. That is all.


The president runs the executive branch not the legislative branch.
 
2012-03-11 09:53:14 AM  
The biggest challenge Obama has is that the Baby Boomers are growing older they also growing more conservative. I call it "Baby Boomer Derangement Syndrome". They have this incredible knack for avoiding the idea of shared sacrifice and will vote for whomever makes them feel the most comfortable. Now the economic crash made them feel really uncomfortable and the current guy in charge already makes them feel very uncomfortable. Look at some of the comments in this thread. Their progressive parents are a vanishing demographic.

/Also generation X is incredibly apathetic and Y got shafted by economy. Obama throw some big incentives to the young or he may well be fux0r'd.
 
2012-03-11 10:14:09 AM  

tarkus1980: I feel like I'm going to have to start posting something like this every time a thread like this pops up.

It is VERY DIFFICULT for an incumbent president to lose a re-election campaign, especially in the last 100 years. Consider:

1912: Incumbent - Taft. Lost because Roosevelt ran third party and split the GOP vote.
1916: Incumbent - Wilson. Won.
1920: No incumbent
1924: Incumbent - Coolidge. Won.
1928: No incumbent
1932: Incumbent - Hoover. Lost. 12 years of GOP presidency had culminated in Great Depression.
1936: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions.
1940: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions, impending world war and running for a 3rd term.
1944: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite world war and running for a 4th term.
1948: Incumbent - Truman. Won despite everybody assuming he'd lose.
1952: No incumbent
1956: Incumbent - Eisenhower. Won.
1960: No incumbent
1964: Incumbent - Johnson. Won.
1968: Incumbent - Johnson. Threatened with being primaried, did not run.
1972: Incumbent - Nixon. Won.
1976: Incumbent - Ford. Lost. Was primaried and had specter of Watergate over him.
1980: Incumbent - Carter. Lost. Was primaried, ran an incredibly inept campaign and had the Iran hostage crisis hanging over him.
1984: Incumbent - Reagan. Won.
1988: No incumbent.
1992: Incumbent - Bush 1. Lost. Was primaried and had a significant 3rd party challenger who siphoned more votes from him than from the main opponent.
1996: Incumbent - Clinton. Won.
2000: No incumbent.
2004: Incumbent - Bush 2. Won despite being Bush 2.
2008: No incumbent.

For a sitting president to not win re-election, at least one of the following is necessary.

1. A significant primary challenge.
2. A significant third party challenger who siphons more votes from him than from the main opponent.
3. A very serious crisis hanging overhead.


Obama has not been primaried, despite the desires of many liberals to see this happen.
If there is a 3rd party challenger it will be a break- ...


===================

Don't start confusing things with facts
 
2012-03-11 10:34:12 AM  

Sabyen91: Ricardo Klement: 2) The president has nothing to do with this. Speculation has nothing to do with this. Tensions in the Middle East matter, but not nearly so much as demand.

WAT? Speculation is a factor. Saber rattling is a factor. If you didn't know, oil is fungible so demand is not as much of a factor as most things.


I said tensions matter. And demand and fungibility are not linked when we're talking about world demand.

And think about what speculation means: it means people are trying to buy oil now because they think it's cheaper than it will be in the future, and speculators add excess demand, driving today's price up (again, fungibility isn't saving us here).

Remember your basic economics here: speculation is not something that will be guaranteed to pay off. Speculation might cause a price rise today, but at the cost of a price drop in the future, because they then have to sell the excess oil they bought and therefore depress the price in the future.

Given that speculators have been accused of adding to the problem for the last decade, the long-run price difference is zero.
 
2012-03-11 11:19:28 AM  
blogs.theage.com.au

11. He's black?
 
2012-03-11 11:28:57 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: While the article is a raging pile of monkey shiat I do have to applaud the noise machine for their absolute rock-solid repetition of the "Gas was $1.85 a gallon before Obama" lie. That's some consistency in spin that the Democrats could learn from.


one of their fundamental tenets is "truth can be created from repetition" or some shiat, so this is right out of the playbook.

Unfortunately for them, and apparently they haven't learned this yet, their bullshiat has gotten so sub-par that even the dummies they use to be able to pull one over on are now able to see through it.

The absolute collapse in November is going to be something to behold.
 
2012-03-11 12:06:25 PM  

Uncle Tractor: 4. The kids are not fired up.
Who else are they going to vote for? The clowns you guys have assembled? hahaguy.jpg


WTF ?

There might be a slight flaw in your plan. Voters that are not fired up don't vote for the candidate they are not fired up about just cause the opposition is a putz.

A good chunk don't vote for anybody which is what happened in 2010 when the Dems got massacred.
 
2012-03-11 12:11:42 PM  
You need to bold that shiat to make sure your point gets across.


Noted. It was spewed out in a half-awake stupor. I'll tidy it up for future use.
 
2012-03-11 12:38:11 PM  
As much as I would like Obama to win the election (I have no actual say in this since I'm a filthy foreigner) never underestimate the combined power of money and disinformation, which the GOP's new ammunition.
 
HBK
2012-03-11 01:47:47 PM  
One reason Obama will be re-elected: Romney has less charisma than John Kerry.

/honest and disappointed conservative
 
2012-03-11 02:09:16 PM  

tarkus1980: It is VERY DIFFICULT for an incumbent president to lose a re-election campaign


Weird. It's almost like incumbent presidents have a bully pulpit or something.
 
2012-03-11 02:33:45 PM  

AirForceVet: FTA: 9. The U.S. lost its AAA rating. Under Obama, America has had its first credit downgrade. A huge contributory factor was his inability to lead Congress.

Bullshiat! The Republicans in Congress refusing to raise the debt ceiling last summer lead directly to our AAA rating getting downgraded AND drove the stock markets downward.

/Article's author is an asshat Republican twisting recent history and truth again.


It is an interesting government system - the idea seems to be if the president and the senate are not run by the same party, it is the senates job to try and destroy the economy as much as possible and then blame the president for it. I am not sure this is likely to be stable for very long.
 
2012-03-11 02:35:13 PM  

odinsposse: o5iiawah: Gas is expensive, unemployment, which we were promised the stimulus would take to 6% is still around 8.5% and our soldiers are still dying in a bullshiat war, protecting a country that has sworn war against us. Keep sending those ants over the hill, libs - one of them will get to the top eventually.

You're right. What we need now is new war in Iran, austerity measures, and a tax hike on the middle class. Go Republicans!


You left out the tax cuts for the rich!
 
2012-03-11 03:21:18 PM  
Oh wow, fun read. While I don't want Obama to be re-elected (I also don't want Buttfoam or Puddy Face to be elected), I will concede today that it would take some specific, monumental failure in the upcoming months for him not to be.

While I do think his policies and ambitions are fundamentally bad for the economy and the country, that list would look identical had McCain been elected. Most of it is not indicative of presidential performance.
 
2012-03-11 04:50:19 PM  

Truncks1: Reagan won, in a landslide if I recall, with unemployment high but declining.... just like Obama.


No. Reagan took office with unemployment at 7.5% and by the end of his 2nd year it was 10.8%.

In Jan 84 the unemployment rate was 8%.
 
2012-03-11 05:04:49 PM  

JBangworthy:

While I do think his policies and ambitions are fundamentally bad for the economy and the country,


Which ones in particular, and how are they bad?
 
2012-03-11 05:23:22 PM  

FloydA: JBangworthy:

While I do think his policies and ambitions are fundamentally bad for the economy and the country,

Which ones in particular, and how are they bad?


Rather than write a point-by-point treatise that must first acknowledge the parts of the Stimulus that were valid, let me state that some of the Stimulus spending that required, of course, borrowing money, may end up costing more in the future than it was worth.
 
2012-03-11 05:25:01 PM  

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

[farm4.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


Off-topic, but that is a beautiful picture. Even the sign features in to make the overall composition wonderful, and the tree\concrete\plastic contrast is elegant.
 
2012-03-11 06:02:39 PM  

highbrow45: No mention of statisticals?


The phrase "Silent Majority" would have been a more cogent argument than most presented in TFA's sad little list.
 
2012-03-11 06:03:22 PM  

Ricardo Klement:

Rather than write a point-by-point treatise that must first acknowledge the parts of the Stimulus that were valid, let me state that some of the Stimulus spending that required, of course, borrowing money, may end up costing more in the future than it was worth.



That's actually the first reasonable critique of one of Obama's policies that I have ever heard on Fark. Thank you.

I guess we'll see, in the long run, if the stimulus gets the recession to end. So far, it looks like it's starting to work, but you're right, it could end up being a poor investment. I certainly hope not, but we'll see.
 
2012-03-11 06:13:01 PM  
OK, time to put your money where your bias is! (new window)
 
2012-03-11 07:16:32 PM  

PsiChick: Off-topic, but that is a beautiful picture.


Thank you, but if you look at the rest of my thousands of pictures you'll see that I get the occasional winner through volume and dumb luck :-(

But I appreciate the feedback. I try to learn from good feedback.
 
2012-03-11 07:37:37 PM  
Where did this $1.85 a gallon line come from? I've seen it all over the place, but I'm certain that I haven't paid that little for gas since long before Obama was president. Hell, I don't think it was that cheap since the first G.W. Bush term.

Can someone help me out here? Genuine question.
 
2012-03-11 07:46:53 PM  

El Morro: Where did this $1.85 a gallon line come from? I've seen it all over the place, but I'm certain that I haven't paid that little for gas since long before Obama was president. Hell, I don't think it was that cheap since the first G.W. Bush term.

Can someone help me out here? Genuine question.


After peaking in the summer/fall of 2008, the economy blew up, and the price per gallon dropped like a stone. It was easy to miss, or forget, because so many of us were wondering if we were going to personally finds out just what our parents and grandparents had told us about the great depression was true.
 
2012-03-11 11:41:05 PM  
I remember when gas was $1.85/gallon when Obama took office.

I also remember what caused it to get that cheap.

I'll take $4 gas any day.
 
2012-03-12 06:20:50 AM  

mod3072: If I can't feed my family because I spent my paycheck buying gas so I could to get to work, I'm going to say "f*ck the polar bears, I need cheaper gas now!". It's easy to be smug about high gas prices when you aren't greatly affected by them. When they make your daily struggle even harder, it's not quite so simple.


Have you thought about moving closer to your workplace? Or finding a new job that's closer? Then you can flip of the gas pumps when you cycle past them.

Too bad the infrastructure in large parts of the US are designed in a way that makes driving absolutely necessary ... (which kinda shoots down what I wrote above)
 
2012-03-12 10:27:42 PM  

FloydA: Ricardo Klement:

Rather than write a point-by-point treatise that must first acknowledge the parts of the Stimulus that were valid, let me state that some of the Stimulus spending that required, of course, borrowing money, may end up costing more in the future than it was worth.


That's actually the first reasonable critique of one of Obama's policies that I have ever heard on Fark. Thank you.

I guess we'll see, in the long run, if the stimulus gets the recession to end. So far, it looks like it's starting to work, but you're right, it could end up being a poor investment. I certainly hope not, but we'll see.


The problem is that it's very, very difficult to isolate the variables in the aftermath. So many things are done, it's hard to tell which worked.
 
2012-03-13 05:49:11 PM  

tarkus1980: I feel like I'm going to have to start posting something like this every time a thread like this pops up.

It is VERY DIFFICULT for an incumbent president to lose a re-election campaign, especially in the last 100 years. Consider:

1912: Incumbent - Taft. Lost because Roosevelt ran third party and split the GOP vote.
1916: Incumbent - Wilson. Won.
1920: No incumbent
1924: Incumbent - Coolidge. Won.
1928: No incumbent
1932: Incumbent - Hoover. Lost. 12 years of GOP presidency had culminated in Great Depression.
1936: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions.
1940: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions, impending world war and running for a 3rd term.
1944: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite world war and running for a 4th term.
1948: Incumbent - Truman. Won despite everybody assuming he'd lose.
1952: No incumbent
1956: Incumbent - Eisenhower. Won.
1960: No incumbent
1964: Incumbent - Johnson. Won.
1968: Incumbent - Johnson. Threatened with being primaried, did not run.
1972: Incumbent - Nixon. Won.
1976: Incumbent - Ford. Lost. Was primaried and had specter of Watergate over him.
1980: Incumbent - Carter. Lost. Was primaried, ran an incredibly inept campaign and had the Iran hostage crisis hanging over him.
1984: Incumbent - Reagan. Won.
1988: No incumbent.
1992: Incumbent - Bush 1. Lost. Was primaried and had a significant 3rd party challenger who siphoned more votes from him than from the main opponent.
1996: Incumbent - Clinton. Won.
2000: No incumbent.
2004: Incumbent - Bush 2. Won despite being Bush 2.
2008: No incumbent.

For a sitting president to not win re-election, at least one of the following is necessary.

1. A significant primary challenge.
2. A significant third party challenger who siphons more votes from him than from the main opponent.
3. A very serious crisis hanging overhead.


Obama has not been primaried, despite the desires of many liberals to see this happen.
If there is a 3rd party challenger it will be a break- ...


I see that happening more against the Republicans than Obama.
 
2012-03-13 08:36:03 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: If there is a 3rd party challenger it will be a break- ...

I see that happening more against the Republicans than Obama.


Exactly.
 
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