Dear Jerk: FloydA

Valid point about Clinton's age. In other news, Obama is a boomer.

Depends on who you ask. Strauss and Howe (new window) list the Baby Boom as 1943 to 1960 (new window). Under their definition, he's the first Gen-X. The Census extends the boom to '64, although birth rates were in decline by 1957.

But in any case, I don't think there will be another Baby Boomer President, unless something really unusual happens.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: While the article is a raging pile of monkey shiat I do have to applaud the noise machine for their absolute rock-solid repetition of the "Gas was $1.85 a gallon before Obama" lie. That's some consistency in spin that the Democrats could learn from.

To be fair, I remember when gas was $0.849/gallon, and that was before Obama, too.

SN1987a goes boom: 3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco. Obama's good war has turned into a mess. We are eyeing a second Vietnam.

So all the years we spent basically ignoring this war under Bush don't count?

Exactly! If you just ignore something, it will stop being a problem. Why can't libtards just ignore equal rights like the GOP? STOP CREATING PROBLEMS, DEMOCRATS!

EnviroDude: Unemployment is over 7%. No potus has been reelected with it that high since FDR in the 1930's.


Obama aint FDR and this aint the1930's.

Other than Reagan. But good try.

And statistically, unemployment has no barring on presidential election outcomes.

DeaH: Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco.
That's what happens when your idiot leader runs off to chase windmills in Iraq.

4. The kids are not fired up.
Who else are they going to vote for? The clowns you guys have assembled? hahaguy.jpg

5. Lending is still down.
Meh.

I'm just not buying reason number 2. Gas here still isn't as high as it was under the previous administration.

This picture was already posted in this thread by weave, and was taken while Dub was in charge..

FFS...weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

not letting me link the pic, but over $4 gas in the before time...

11. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

9beers: Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.


Keep farking that chicken.

So they have no hand at all in the running of your country having control of the Congress and the Senate?

Yeah, about that whole Iran, oil prices thing:

Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei, the highest authority figure within the Islamic Republic of Iran, is publically applauding US President Barack Obama over the American commander-in-chief's insistence in postponing any military pressure overseas.

"This talk is good talk and shows an exit from illusion."

Just like Ronald Reagan did, Obama has cut a deal.

Ryker's Peninsula: I think Obama is going to be a joke in the debates.

I don't mean that he's going to fail, I think he's really gonna get up there and say: "Hey Mitt, what's got two thumbs, one eye, a big schlong, and killed Bin Laden?" And then wink at the camera with a double Fonzi and go: "This guyyyyy!"

I'm hoping he does a zero negativity campaign, and all ads are nothing but clips of his opponent pandering, contradicting himself, and outright lying. Plenty of material to pick and choose from.

DeaH: sno man: DeaH: Uncle Tractor: 1. The economy is struggling.
Yeah, thanks to the GOP.

2. Gas is more and more expensive.
You say that like it's a bad thing. Thorium (and renewable sources) is the future. GM is already working on this.

3. The war in Afghanistan is a fiasco.
That's what happens when your idiot leader runs off to chase windmills in Iraq.

4. The kids are not fired up.
Who else are they going to vote for? The clowns you guys have assembled? hahaguy.jpg

5. Lending is still down.
Meh.

I'm just not buying reason number 2. Gas here still isn't as high as it was under the previous administration.

This picture was already posted in this thread by weave, and was taken while Dub was in charge..

I'm all for a little Dada, but huh?

$4 gas existed longer ago than you care to remember. search "weave". early in the thread. for the pic I can't link.

I feel like I'm going to have to start posting something like this every time a thread like this pops up.

It is VERY DIFFICULT for an incumbent president to lose a re-election campaign, especially in the last 100 years. Consider:

1912: Incumbent - Taft. Lost because Roosevelt ran third party and split the GOP vote.
1916: Incumbent - Wilson. Won.
1920: No incumbent
1924: Incumbent - Coolidge. Won.
1928: No incumbent
1932: Incumbent - Hoover. Lost. 12 years of GOP presidency had culminated in Great Depression.
1936: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions.
1940: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite terrible economic conditions, impending world war and running for a 3rd term.
1944: Incumbent - FDR. Won despite world war and running for a 4th term.
1948: Incumbent - Truman. Won despite everybody assuming he'd lose.
1952: No incumbent
1956: Incumbent - Eisenhower. Won.
1960: No incumbent
1964: Incumbent - Johnson. Won.
1968: Incumbent - Johnson. Threatened with being primaried, did not run.
1972: Incumbent - Nixon. Won.
1976: Incumbent - Ford. Lost. Was primaried and had specter of Watergate over him.
1980: Incumbent - Carter. Lost. Was primaried, ran an incredibly inept campaign and had the Iran hostage crisis hanging over him.
1984: Incumbent - Reagan. Won.
1988: No incumbent.
1992: Incumbent - Bush 1. Lost. Was primaried and had a significant 3rd party challenger who siphoned more votes from him than from the main opponent.
1996: Incumbent - Clinton. Won.
2000: No incumbent.
2004: Incumbent - Bush 2. Won despite being Bush 2.
2008: No incumbent.

For a sitting president to not win re-election, at least one of the following is necessary.

1. A significant primary challenge.
2. A significant third party challenger who siphons more votes from him than from the main opponent.
3. A very serious crisis hanging overhead.


Obama has not been primaried, despite the desires of many liberals to see this happen.
If there is a 3rd party challenger it will be a break-off from the GOP.
Only point 3 is even debatable, but with economic signs improving it's hard to argue that today's economic situation is remotely comparable to what doomed campaigns previously.


Everybody is interested in debating back and forth whether policy decision X or economic situation Y means that the American people will turn on the sitting president, but people have an inexplicable blind spot to the clear fact that, when an election cycle proceeds in an "orderly" fashion, without a primary challenge and without a clear 3rd party alternative to the sitting president (as opposed to an alternative to the challenger), the sitting president has an incredible house advantage. Unless something really bonkers happens in the next few months (and, granted, there's a long way to go), Obama is going to win in November.

weave: On Obama's watch gas has risen from an average of $1.85 a gallon to near $4 today.

I took this picture June 22, 2008. Who was President then?

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Obama, via his magical time machine.

Just like it was Obama who got us mired in Afghanistan way way way back in 2002. It's miraculous, what that man's been able to pull off while he's been in office!