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(Christian Science Monitor)   When Netanyahu gave Obama the Book of Esther as a gift, the message was only slightly less subtle than if he had constructed a massive neon billboard with the message "Mr. President, please help me destroy Iran before they destroy us"   (csmonitor.com) divider line 235
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2012-03-10 09:31:27 AM  
He should have included Cliffs Notes.

/Constitutional Law scholar != Biblical Scholar
 
2012-03-10 09:52:43 AM  
Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.
 
2012-03-10 10:04:02 AM  

Candygram4Mongo: He should have included Cliffs Notes.

/Constitutional Law scholar != Biblical Scholar


Not only that, but what would a Muslim know about the Bible?
 
2012-03-10 10:12:30 AM  

Candygram4Mongo: /Constitutional Law scholar != Biblical Scholar


Thank god. That last one is an oxymoron.
 
2012-03-10 10:16:03 AM  
I thought the message was "drink until Obama can no longer distinguish between the phrases arur Haman and baruch Mordechai ."
 
2012-03-10 10:41:55 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-10 02:58:44 PM  
No hamentashen cookies? Those are really good.
 
2012-03-10 03:03:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.


I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?
 
2012-03-10 03:09:32 PM  

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.

I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?


Obama's against it, so it must be a good thing.
 
2012-03-10 03:17:04 PM  
So basically, the chosen people need our help?

/what does God need with a superpower?
 
2012-03-10 03:42:46 PM  

Weaver95: I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?


I've noticed the collapse of several people who used to push materialist viewpoints in the face of this conflict. The loose ideological umbrella is just too large for people to wipe away with confirmation bias. Greenwald had different but related epiphany last month. Whereas the American media in 2002 followed the lead of the U.S. government in beating the war drums against Saddam, they now seem even more eager for war against Iran than the U.S. government itself, which actually appears somewhat reluctant. He's also pointed out something else. "For every one Iranian official Americans are permitted to hear from (and they are treated with extreme skepticism by American journalists), they hear from countless Israelis (who are treated with the utmost deference)"

People used to beat their chests and go with a war to take their oil, and have since had to backpedal. The Iranian conflict is marked by severe losses by the oil Industry since the mid 1990's. They really couldn't stand the sanctions. These were pushed by people like Bronfman, AIPAC and others in the mid 1990's. "[T]hanks partly to an Aipac research paper shared with the [Clinton] White House, the administration learned to its embarrassment that U.S. oil companies were Iran's biggest customers by far."

What I see now is a certain coyness over the AIPAC pushed sanctions themselves. People will talk about oil speculators, without noting that they cannot offer a system where futures trading is abolished and more importantly, how the futures trading is being driven up by the Iran issue - which is directly connected to the sanctions. How much TV news coverage is devoted to this issue?

Certainly, there are articles on the subject, but the TV coverage is lacking
US oil prices climb as Iran tension grows
Global oil prices have risen with US President Barack Obama saying a military strike against Iran is not ruled out.

Obama's day: Meeting Netanyahu
This morning, Obama meets with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and will urge him to forgo a preemptive attack against Iran's nuclear facilities and give sanctions more time to work.

On Sunday, Obama told a pro-Israel lobbying group that "loose talk" of war is only helping Iran by driving up oil prices, reports USA TODAY's Aamer Madhani.

Foreign Policy
When U.S. President Barack Obama enters his White House meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on March 5 -- angling to dissuade Israel from attacking Iran's nuclear facilities -- there will be one seemingly mundane issue on his mind that he may be too uncomfortable to share with his guest: gasoline prices.

Will Bibi Have Barack Over a Barrel (of Oil)?
(IPS) - While Israeli leaders historically have enjoyed not insignificant influence with their U.S. counterparts, Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu will likely arrive at the White House next week with a little extra boost in his efforts to get President Barack Obama to toughen his already hard line against Iran.
 
2012-03-10 03:51:20 PM  

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.

I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?


If they're hard core GOP supporters, then they've already surrendered common sense to ideology. It radically simplifies the world's complications if you can just "root for your team".
 
2012-03-10 04:06:46 PM  
I hear they have sat photos of Iran hiding their operations just as the inspectors arrived.

My favorite part will be later, when they get Panetta to shake anthrax at the UN.

/I've heard this joke before
//Already know the punch line
///Ka-CHING! Halliburton+Blackwater loot the treasury! It's still funny EVERY TIME!
 
2012-03-10 04:07:47 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So basically, the chosen people need our help?

/what does God need with a superpower?


Maybe later you'll get to see Condi Rice to do a fan dance.
 
2012-03-10 04:34:08 PM  
i1208.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-10 04:44:30 PM  
Just think, cons.

If you hadn't stuck our collective dick in Iraq, we could be f*cking Iran right now.

Remember that for next time.
 
2012-03-10 04:46:32 PM  

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.

I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?


It's not about gains or losses, pluses or minuses anymore. Propaganda has rendered such matters irrelevent. This is about the blood lust of depraved old men, just like always.
 
2012-03-10 04:47:32 PM  

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.

I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?


One reason is that if they get their backs truly to the wall, they're going to use nukes themselves rather than allow themselves to be destroyed. If that happens, nobody knows what will follow, but it's unlikely to be anything good.
 
2012-03-10 04:47:49 PM  

King Something: Obama's against it, so it must be a good thing.


It's more than that; the Neo-cons have wanted to attack/invade Iran for at least a decade. Remember McCain's "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" was in a speech a couple years before the 2008 election.
 
2012-03-10 04:49:18 PM  
Iran must be wiped clean of living creatures, down to the lizards
 
2012-03-10 04:49:28 PM  

Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.

I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?


$10 a gallon gas.

Here's a thought, Benji. Stop talking shiat about starting a war if your country can't fight it itself.
 
2012-03-10 04:50:38 PM  
fark off Likudniks, take on Iran yourself if you think it's so important.

Normal people can make some popcorn and enjoy having the whole Middle East wiped off the map.
 
2012-03-10 04:53:35 PM  

jjorsett: One reason is that if they get their backs truly to the wall, they're going to use nukes themselves rather than allow themselves to be destroyed. If that happens, nobody knows what will follow, but it's unlikely to be anything good.


that's why diplomacy would be the preferred means of settling disputes. I'd rather not see the middle east go up in a nuclear fireball - it would be bad for gas prices and probably lower property values in the region for the next few centuries.

short of an all out invasion we cannot stop Iran from building a nuclear device. all it takes is time, money and the will to see the project through to the end. we can slow Iran down, make it more expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuke badly enough then they'll get one.

We should have already worked out how to deal with that situation once it becomes reality.
 
2012-03-10 04:53:37 PM  
What, the billions in military aid we've given you guys just isn't enough?
 
2012-03-10 04:58:16 PM  

jjorsett: Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.

I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?

One reason is that if they get their backs truly to the wall, they're going to use nukes themselves rather than allow themselves to be destroyed. If that happens, nobody knows what will follow, but it's unlikely to be anything good.


I wonder if that also means we'll use our military to defend Best Korea if China gets all pissy.
 
2012-03-10 05:00:07 PM  

Notabunny: I wonder if that also means we'll use our military to defend Best Korea if China gets all pissy.


nah, we just get really big fans and set them up along the DMZ, then turn 'em on to blow the radioactive fallout north back towards China.
 
2012-03-10 05:00:56 PM  

culebra: What, the billions in military aid we've given you guys just isn't enough?


Remember, that aid has actually increased under Obama.
 
2012-03-10 05:01:10 PM  
He did that?

Ok, points to Bibi here.
 
2012-03-10 05:02:01 PM  

Notabunny: I wonder if that also means we'll use our military to defend Best Korea if China gets all pissy.


Not really an issue. The current regime has made it clear that Best Korea is seen as a major pain in their ass, and that they'd rather see a united, democratic Korea than maintain the North in any fashion.

In other words, if Best Korea launches a war against the south, the Chinese will defend their border, but not get involved in a Korean conflict.
 
2012-03-10 05:02:06 PM  

unlikely: I hear they have sat photos of Iran hiding their operations just as the inspectors arrived.

My favorite part will be later, when they get Panetta to shake anthrax at the UN.

/I've heard this joke before
//Already know the punch line
///Ka-CHING! Halliburton+Blackwater loot the treasury! It's still funny EVERY TIME!


I don't think you see the potential humor here. It will be even funnier to see how many folks fall for the same joke the second time around.

/I wonder what Patriot Act 2 will be called.
 
2012-03-10 05:03:03 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I thought the message was "drink until Obama can no longer distinguish between the phrases arur Haman and baruch Mordechai ."


I might still be drunk. Seriously, the smack down of Thursday night (one day later in Jerusalem than the rest of the world), then Friday during the day, then Friday night for Shabbat, than Shabbat day to survive the hangover.

Its been yeah
 
2012-03-10 05:03:09 PM  

iaazathot: culebra: What, the billions in military aid we've given you guys just isn't enough?

Remember, that aid has actually increased under Obama.


Then they should be even more prepared than ever to go it alone or assemble their own "coalition of the willing".
 
2012-03-10 05:04:00 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So basically, the chosen people need our help?

/what does God need with a superpower?


He's busy washing His hair. And the Holocaust caught him while He was out picking up His dry cleaning. Just bad timing. If it isn't one thing, it's another.

And yeah, fark Israel...if they want Iran attacked let them do it themselves.
 
2012-03-10 05:04:04 PM  

TravisBickle62: Iran must be wiped clean of living creatures, down to the lizards


What about the tens of thousands of Jews who live in Iran? Vaporize them too?
 
2012-03-10 05:07:51 PM  

vernonFL: What about the tens of thousands of Jews who live in Iran? Vaporize them too?


Also, Christians.
 
2012-03-10 05:08:04 PM  
Oh and it is also quite accurate, because the Book of Esther features an a-hole who takes over Persia by abusing the system, and uses government power to try and kill all Jews, while most Persians were against the idea and didn't want anything to do with what he was proposing.
 
2012-03-10 05:08:06 PM  

jjorsett: Weaver95: Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own.

Thank God we have a POTUS with half a brain and a mostly intact spine.

I've got several conservative friends of mine who swear that we 'need' to protect israel and attack Iran. when asked WHY we need to do this, they call me 'librul' and change the subject.

I don't get it. why the f*ck are we helping Israel? what possible gain is there for the US in attacking Iran?

One reason is that if they get their backs truly to the wall, they're going to use nukes themselves rather than allow themselves to be destroyed. If that happens, nobody knows what will follow, but it's unlikely to be anything good.


And you think that if Israel uses nukes first they're not going to be blown away as well?
 
2012-03-10 05:08:21 PM  
I thought the message is that if Netanyahu sent Ayatollah Khamenei a Jewish wife, he would hang Ahmadinejad from the gallows.
 
2012-03-10 05:09:06 PM  
No wonder Iran wants nukes, it's the only way to guarantee that nobody's going to decide to attack them.
 
2012-03-10 05:12:09 PM  

Tatsuma: Oh and it is also quite accurate, because the Book of Esther features an a-hole who takes over Persia by abusing the system, and uses government power to try and kill all Jews, while most Persians were against the idea and didn't want anything to do with what he was proposing.


Yes yes, because anyone who knows anything about Iranian politics realize that it's Ahmedinejad who not only calls ALL the shots but also has his finger on the button to launch all the imaginary, unconstructed nukes. Nobody else. And yeah, he, uh "took over" Iran.

le sigh

/he should say "I'll let all IAEA and UN inspectors in the second Israel lets one single one into their country, or goes so far as to officially declare that they have hundreds of nuclear bombs already (obviously unmonitored)"
 
2012-03-10 05:12:54 PM  
I'm perfectly happy to put a giant dome over the whole area. Lift it in 25 years; by that time, they'll have sorted the issue one way or [cough] another, and in the meantime, we'll have all the motivation in the world to do important things like develop solar and, I dunno, not get into wars.


/sigh. If I were a meglomaniac, dum de dum de dum de dum de dum de dum...
 
2012-03-10 05:16:36 PM  

rynthetyn: No wonder Iran wants nukes, it's the only way to guarantee that nobody's going to decide to attack them.


Not only that, this is a part of the stupid regonal power struggle between the U.S. and its allies (Israel and S.A.) and Iran. The nuke means that Iran can continue being a diplomatic troll & supporting militants without the threat of invasion. They're doing all that stuff without a nuke and with the threat of attack, so. This is basically a multi-national whine fest. "We have to invade them before we're unable to invade them!"
 
2012-03-10 05:19:55 PM  
Yes, because the modern state of Iran is exactly the same at the Persian Empire of Xerxes. Except for the whole religious toleration thing.

Cyrus was politically shrewd, modeling himself as the "savior" of conquered nations, often allowing displaced people to return, and giving his subjects freedom to practice local customs. To reinforce this image, he instituted policies of religious freedom, and restored temples and other infrastructure in the newly acquired cities.(Most notably the Jewish inhabitants of Babylon, as recorded in the Cyrus Cylinder and the Tanakh). As a result of his tolerant policies he came to be known by those of the Jewish faith, as "the anointed of the Lord."

You know, if you have to deal with Iran, fine. I get it. But this kind of cheap propaganda is unnecessary and just a tad ironic.
 
2012-03-10 05:20:23 PM  

Tatsuma: He did that?

Ok, points to Bibi here.


You know who else used ancient texts to justify modern mass killings?
 
2012-03-10 05:22:10 PM  
www.hollywoodgravehunter.com
 
2012-03-10 05:24:28 PM  
Question for Tatsuma:

Is there any Jewish law or opinion on nuclear weapons?

I am pretty sure that some of the Iranian Ayatollahs consider nuclear weapons to be "Un Islamic", is there any such belief among Rabbis?
 
2012-03-10 05:24:51 PM  

Cat With Two Heads: Tatsuma: He did that?

Ok, points to Bibi here.

You know who else used ancient texts to justify modern mass killings?


Every ratfarking war hawk since the dawn of time?
 
2012-03-10 05:25:53 PM  
The Israelis are rightly concerned about Iran getting the bomb. The past century has consisted of nationality after nationality saying "We want to kill Jews" or "We're going to invade Israel," and then doing it. Why should the Iranians be any different? The argument that only a crazy person would deliberately attack nuclear Israel fails to consider the long history of religious martyrdom within the shiate tradition and its more recent appearance in the Muslim mindset in general.

Israeli worry about inevitable nuclear attack by a fanatical Middle Eastern regime is completely justified. What to do about it is another matter. The US has more or less expended its military capabilties on the two wars engineered by the repubs (talk about your unintended consequences!), so the religious hardliners in Teheran have been emboldened to pursue an apocalyptic agenda. Personally I think both Israel and the US must recognize that this is a religious war--certainly the Iranian leadership considers it a religious war--and deal with it on that basis. I would like to see a 55 gallon drum of pig entrails gently parachuted into the courtyard of the Jamkaran Mosque in Qum with a note--"Next time, no parachute." A Westerner might disparage that kind of threat but to the deeply religious mullahs of Iran the prospect of the defilement of their holy places is infinitely more terrifying than carpetbombs or bunker busters.
 
2012-03-10 05:26:24 PM  
Just stumbled across this oldie but goodie.

www.johncoxart.com

Not quite appropriate to TFA, but...


/Who would you back?
 
2012-03-10 05:26:32 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Obama's message was also clear: striking Iran is not in the best interests of 0bama before the election the US, and Israel cannot afford to attack Iran on its own. needs to wait a little bit longer.

 
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