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2012-03-10 04:52:50 PM

Mugato: SithLord: BumpInTheNight: [www.filesfeed.com image 428x638]

Thread over.

Whether he was being snarky or not, I agree. The Passion of the Christ was about a guy getting the shiat beat out of him for three hours, getting nailed to a cross and then emerging from his burial cave for some reason. A weird androgynous creature with a creepy midget child rounds out the cast. A movie should not have required reading to make sense, even if that required reading is the Bible.

On that subject, even though I haven't read The Lord of the Rings, I would submit that. The film never explains WTF the "Grey Havens" is, we never get a real resolution to Christopher Lee's character and I'm assuming the book explains why those eagles couldn't just fly the Hobbits to Mordor. And the people I've spoken to who have read the book always complain that there wasn't something called the "scouring of the Shire". With all the time wasted on walking, one would think they could leave room for explaining major plot points.


Now... I am a big Tolkien nut and I don't wish to sound insulting, but.... saying that the books are better than the films seems to me to be a discussion on the incredibly obvious. You may as well hold a symposium on the fact that the sky is blue or something. And I actually like the films, a lot.
 
2012-03-10 05:05:12 PM
Late to the party, but here's a movie that was better than the book:


worldsoforos.com
 
2012-03-10 05:23:26 PM
I was going to mention "Battleship Earth", but then I realized that the movie is much funnier than the book.
 
2012-03-10 05:46:36 PM

NeoCortex42: LoneWolf343: I couldn't get through the first chapter of Dune, so I better stay the hell away from the movie, I guess.

I don't see how the movie would make a lot of sense to someone who hasn't read the book, unless you just really want to see Sting and Captain Picard fighting with knives.

The Dune mini-series by Sci-Fi on the other hand, is worth checking out. I think it's a great adaptation and makes perfect sense on its own.


I'll second that. Though I liked the Lynch "Dune" version, the mini is much more faithful to the book.


indarwinsshadow: [www.internationalhero.co.uk image 382x500]


They never made a movie out of that. YOU LIE!
 
2012-03-10 05:50:07 PM
Nice headline, trollmitter.

Also people, The Great Gatsby sucks? I understand if you didn't like reading it high school but maybe as an adult you can go back and grasp it in its proper context.
 
2012-03-10 06:06:53 PM

James Scameron: The Watchmen was an illustrated book for children not an actual "book".

ftfy


I'm sure you're trolling; for if you actually read the book itself, even you'd admit this was trolling.
 
2012-03-10 06:29:11 PM
I've seen a LOT of people try to explain away the Eagles not taking Frodo to the volcano in LotR thing over the years (rather than just admit the truth, which was that Tolkien simply never thought of it). Lots of theorizing about Sauron having fantastical aerial defenses or the Eagles being more susceptible to ring corruption, or many others.

What none of them ever successfully managed to explain was why these things (none of which has any textual support; heck it's suggested that no one was even aware the Nazgul had flying mounts in the first place) could possibly make things even less safe than the plan they eventually ended up going with. Fly the ring to the cracks of doom before Sauron can respond? Too dangerous. Send a couple hobbits to walk it there instead? Brilliant!

Let's not forget that Frodo was caught no less than four times along the way after leaving the rest of the companions. Nice planning there, Gandalf and Elrond!

LotR had many brilliant things in it making it one of the greatest novels ever written. Its plotting was NOT one of those things. It's full of a lot of author pushing and pulling at an unwieldy and at times inconsistent plot trying to avoid ever gaping holes and not entirely succeeding.

That said, it did better than the movies did. While the first two movies were fantastic, the changes made to the plot in the third one were very poorly thought out, especially screwing up how Minas Tirith was saved (for all intents and purposes rendering the entire Rohan plotline meaningless).
 
2012-03-10 07:12:25 PM

King Gorilla: I've never read the book, but I've been told the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is far superior.


The Combine made you say that.
 
2012-03-10 07:32:18 PM
Tryfan
Lots of theorizing about Sauron having fantastical aerial defenses

I never needed a lot of theorizing to not be bothered by that "why didn't they fly"-thing.
If you're dealing with some ancient evil being that's powerful enough to make the greatest wizards crap their robes, I'm perfectly happy to assume that he can turn some eagles entering his HQ into a bucket of KFC by pointing with his finger.

Send a couple hobbits to walk it there instead? Brilliant!

Well, there were tens of thousands of people walking around and nobody in the air; so if you want to slip in unnoticed, you better don't book a flight.
 
2012-03-10 07:52:57 PM

Sliding Carp: King Gorilla: I've never read the book, but I've been told the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest is far superior.

The Combine made you say that.


Kesey's book is interesting, as The Chief is the narrator.
 
2012-03-10 08:05:23 PM
Timeline. The book was actually full of a lot of cool ideas, even if the actual quantum mechanics were simplified a bit. But hey, let's not pretend like the real stuff wouldn't have flown directly over my head anyway (that shiat requires both the math and the general intelligence I just am not capable of).

But it had just enough "reality" in it to be extremely cool. The movie was a Paul Walker action flick where they killed off the only enjoyable and memorable character (the ever enjoyable Billy Connolly) in the first half an hour.
 
2012-03-10 08:31:20 PM
worldsstrongestlibrarian.com
 
2012-03-10 08:36:50 PM
The novelization of the movie Caddyshack sucked
 
2012-03-10 09:31:44 PM

Tryfan: I've seen a LOT of people try to explain away the Eagles not taking Frodo to the volcano in LotR thing over the years (rather than just admit the truth, which was that Tolkien simply never thought of it). Lots of theorizing about Sauron having fantastical aerial defenses or the Eagles being more susceptible to ring corruption, or many others.

What none of them ever successfully managed to explain was why these things (none of which has any textual support; heck it's suggested that no one was even aware the Nazgul had flying mounts in the first place) could possibly make things even less safe than the plan they eventually ended up going with. Fly the ring to the cracks of doom before Sauron can respond? Too dangerous. Send a couple hobbits to walk it there instead? Brilliant!

Let's not forget that Frodo was caught no less than four times along the way after leaving the rest of the companions. Nice planning there, Gandalf and Elrond!

LotR had many brilliant things in it making it one of the greatest novels ever written. Its plotting was NOT one of those things. It's full of a lot of author pushing and pulling at an unwieldy and at times inconsistent plot trying to avoid ever gaping holes and not entirely succeeding.


He did think of it though. In one of his rough drafts Tolkien referred to a Mordor Special Mission Flying Corps, presumably those flying beasts that the Nazgul used. From: Tolkien Artist & Illustrator (http://www.amazon.com/J-R-R-Tolkien-Illustrator-Christina-Scull/dp/06 18083618), pp 189-190.)

The whole conceit of the Hobbits was that they were perpetual innocents. That's why Gollum (a kind of archaic Hobbit), Bilbo and Frodo could hold on to the ring for so long without alerting Sauron to its whereabouts. They never tried to use it to control others so they could stay under the radar. Of course it's all justification for a weak plot point but Tolkien was quite religious. Frodo's journey was supposed to be guided by the will of Eru. He had to suffer to succeed.
 
2012-03-10 09:32:48 PM
gregtork.files.wordpress.com

Costner still deserves a cockpunch for what he did to this book.
 
2012-03-10 10:30:02 PM

Shadowknight: Timeline. The book was actually full of a lot of cool ideas, even if the actual quantum mechanics were simplified a bit. But hey, let's not pretend like the real stuff wouldn't have flown directly over my head anyway (that shiat requires both the math and the general intelligence I just am not capable of).


The thing that kind of turned me off on that book was the whole exchange where one of the characters is asking how they figured out how to bring their people back after they traveled through time/to a different reality. The response was basically, "We never figured it out. The people that keep coming back from these trips are from a different reality where they figured that part out." That just annoyed me.
 
2012-03-10 10:53:05 PM

kxs401: The book is almost always better. The only exception I've come across is Silence of the Lambs. The movie is much better.


No one mentioned the Kama Sutra as another exception yet? For shame!
 
2012-03-10 11:28:51 PM
I'd like to add some titles to that list:

I, Robot
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
 
2012-03-10 11:34:17 PM
the books are usually better, which is why I don't read books.
 
2012-03-10 11:36:35 PM

skepticultist: Also, I'm going to risk being tarred and feathered by saying David Lynch's Dune is way better than the book. I can't stand Frank Herbert's writing.


never read the books, but I can't stand voice overs in movies.
 
2012-03-10 11:36:44 PM
The Troy and Dune movies weren't worse than the book, they were just "loosely inspired", i.e. completely unrelated save a few thematic elements, by the books. Troy was a perfectly legit semi-historical action flick that had nothing to do with the Iliad and Dune was actually a pretty fun generic pulp sci-fi movie with dueling princes and lasers and shiat produced by a studio of people who never heard of Frank Herbert.

Short version: haters gonna hate, I guess.
 
2012-03-11 01:41:33 AM
I'm glad they added Simon Birch. They seem to always take a few chapters of books by John Irving and write the screen play.
His books are better suited to a mini-series.
It's one thing to leave out little things but, they always butcher his books.
 
2012-03-11 09:49:13 AM

domo_kun_sai: I'm glad they added Simon Birch. They seem to always take a few chapters of books by John Irving and write the screen play.
His books are better suited to a mini-series.
It's one thing to leave out little things but, they always butcher his books.


The movie adaptation of "The World According to Garp" seemed to assume that you've read the book,and thus it doesn't need to explain anything. You'd never know how Garp's kid died if you hadn't read the book. I don't even think the gearshift is mentioned at all in the movie.
 
2012-03-11 09:54:51 AM
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Book was better than all the Rambo movies combined.
 
2012-03-11 09:55:22 AM
Mr Tolkien was obviously keenly aware of classical literature, Scandanavian sagas and the like. The hero's journey is never only about reaching a goal or arriving at a destination. Rather, it is about the journey itself, how the hero's suffering and his choices define him in the end. Therefore, to say 'why couldn't Frodo just ride an eagle to Mount Doom' misses the point entirely.
 
2012-03-11 10:03:18 AM

Jake Leg: Mr Tolkien was obviously keenly aware of classical literature, Scandanavian sagas and the like. The hero's journey is never only about reaching a goal or arriving at a destination. Rather, it is about the journey itself, how the hero's suffering and his choices define him in the end. Therefore, to say 'why couldn't Frodo just ride an eagle to Mount Doom' misses the point entirely.


It doesn't miss the point. Obviously it would be a very short and boring story. It's just something that could have been explained with a throwaway line.
 
2012-03-11 10:09:52 AM

Mugato: Jake Leg: Mr Tolkien was obviously keenly aware of classical literature, Scandanavian sagas and the like. The hero's journey is never only about reaching a goal or arriving at a destination. Rather, it is about the journey itself, how the hero's suffering and his choices define him in the end. Therefore, to say 'why couldn't Frodo just ride an eagle to Mount Doom' misses the point entirely.

It doesn't miss the point. Obviously it would be a very short and boring story. It's just something that could have been explained with a throwaway line.


True, but I just never thought it really needed explanation
 
2012-03-11 10:49:18 AM

PacManDreaming: Planet of the Apes, the original Charlton Heston version, is far superior to the book. Actually, even the Mark Wahlberg version is better than the crappy book.


this.
 
2012-03-11 12:15:27 PM

Teufelaffe: Shadowknight: Timeline. The book was actually full of a lot of cool ideas, even if the actual quantum mechanics were simplified a bit. But hey, let's not pretend like the real stuff wouldn't have flown directly over my head anyway (that shiat requires both the math and the general intelligence I just am not capable of).

The thing that kind of turned me off on that book was the whole exchange where one of the characters is asking how they figured out how to bring their people back after they traveled through time/to a different reality. The response was basically, "We never figured it out. The people that keep coming back from these trips are from a different reality where they figured that part out." That just annoyed me.


Well, to be fair, that is kind of how quantum mechanics and multiverse theory operate. Its all just a philosophical mindfark supported my math.
 
2012-03-11 12:49:39 PM
I Am Legend. Really loved that book (short story). I wanted to like the movie, but they changed way too much. The worst was the damn happy ending they gave the movie. I guess test audiences were too stupid to get the original ending.
 
2012-03-11 01:07:52 PM

indarwinsshadow: [www.internationalhero.co.uk image 382x500]


came for this mention.

/comics movies deserves it's own list
//sci-fi book movies too
 
2012-03-11 01:25:50 PM

bearcats1983: I Am Legend. Really loved that book (short story). I wanted to like the movie, but they changed way too much. The worst was the damn happy ending they gave the movie. I guess test audiences were too stupid to get the original ending.


That Soylent Green was made of people?
 
2012-03-11 01:53:38 PM

bearcats1983: I Am Legend. Really loved that book (short story). I wanted to like the movie, but they changed way too much. The worst was the damn happy ending they gave the movie. I guess test audiences were too stupid to get the original ending.


I actually didn't mind the movie until that part. That part, I agree, just damaged the entire rest of the movie.
 
2012-03-11 02:45:42 PM

Shadowknight: bearcats1983: I Am Legend. Really loved that book (short story). I wanted to like the movie, but they changed way too much. The worst was the damn happy ending they gave the movie. I guess test audiences were too stupid to get the original ending.

I actually didn't mind the movie until that part. That part, I agree, just damaged the entire rest of the movie.


Yea, totally agree. I was actually looking forward to the modern adaptation of the book. I really loved the post apocalyptic NYC setting they portrayed. Just hated that they swayed so far from the actual story. It's not a happy ending in the story..unless you're one of the vampires, I suppose.
 
2012-03-11 06:52:35 PM
Sum of All Fears

And I wish they'd make "Without Remorse" into a movie.
 
2012-03-11 07:57:35 PM

zarberg: Sum of All Fears

And I wish they'd make "Without Remorse" into a movie.


That book was great. I mean, I get that it was revenge fantasy porn for guys who only WISH they could be so badass (Yo), but it was pretty great nonetheless. Especially since I read "Rainbow 6" before "Without Remorse," so seeing where Clark came from was like reading the most badass prequel ever.
 
2012-03-11 08:19:27 PM

Shadowknight: zarberg: Sum of All Fears

And I wish they'd make "Without Remorse" into a movie.

That book was great. I mean, I get that it was revenge fantasy porn for guys who only WISH they could be so badass (Yo), but it was pretty great nonetheless. Especially since I read "Rainbow 6" before "Without Remorse," so seeing where Clark came from was like reading the most badass prequel ever.


But for the love of all that's holy, it better not star Liev Shriber or Willem Dafoe. They were both so not even close to what I pictured as Clark.
 
2012-03-11 08:23:51 PM
I always imagined him looking like Sam Fisher in the Splinter Cell games, myself.

thegamershub.net

I don't know who you would get to play him, but this is what my mind's eye envisions.
 
2012-03-11 08:46:01 PM

Shadowknight: I always imagined him looking like Sam Fisher in the Splinter Cell games, myself.

[thegamershub.net image 349x451]

I don't know who you would get to play him, but this is what my mind's eye envisions.


That's a damn good one. Too bad Henry Rollins is old and short, but then I picture him because like the character you pictured he also has a jaw that looks like it was born to take abuse.
 
2012-03-11 08:58:19 PM

zarberg: That's a damn good one. Too bad Henry Rollins is old and short, but then I picture him because like the character you pictured he also has a jaw that looks like it was born to take abuse.


I could see Rollins doing Clark in his Rainbow 6 days. But as a youngish man, just out of the service...

One suggestion I heard was using George Eads.

www.georgeeads.com

It might work, if you can gruff him up a bit. Make him look like his skin has been slightly leathered on sea air and testosterone, slightly grey his hair, and it would work.
 
2012-03-11 09:47:05 PM

bearcats1983: I Am Legend. Really loved that book (short story). I wanted to like the movie, but they changed way too much. The worst was the damn happy ending they gave the movie. I guess test audiences were too stupid to get the original ending.


Of the three movies versions made, Last Man On Earth with Vincent Price, is the most faithful adaptation. The Omega Man, not so much(but I like it just because I like Charlton Heston sci-fi movies).
 
2012-03-11 11:45:02 PM

zarberg: Shadowknight: zarberg: Sum of All Fears

And I wish they'd make "Without Remorse" into a movie.

That book was great. I mean, I get that it was revenge fantasy porn for guys who only WISH they could be so badass (Yo), but it was pretty great nonetheless. Especially since I read "Rainbow 6" before "Without Remorse," so seeing where Clark came from was like reading the most badass prequel ever.

But for the love of all that's holy, it better not star Liev Shriber or Willem Dafoe. They were both so not even close to what I pictured as Clark.


They actually were set to make this movie starring Keanu Reeves as Clark. I am not kidding.
 
2012-03-12 10:13:17 AM

Mugato: Jake Leg: Mr Tolkien was obviously keenly aware of classical literature, Scandanavian sagas and the like. The hero's journey is never only about reaching a goal or arriving at a destination. Rather, it is about the journey itself, how the hero's suffering and his choices define him in the end. Therefore, to say 'why couldn't Frodo just ride an eagle to Mount Doom' misses the point entirely.

It doesn't miss the point. Obviously it would be a very short and boring story. It's just something that could have been explained with a throwaway line.


You're not getting it. Deus Ex Machina is possible in any story that has gods. Never mind the eagles, the elves could have remustered all their might and marched from the Undying lands. Tom Bombadil could have taken the ring to Mordor. Manwë could have sent an army of invincible Valar and Maiar to do it. Ilúvatar could have snuffed Sauron out of existence with a single thought.

One of the main themes of LOTR as well as Greek and Norse myths that Tolkein was copying from style-wise is that man must stand on his own two feet and fight his own battles. If and only if he shows his worth and is successful, will the gods then grant him favors. Peter Jackson misses the mark several times by going off book and doing things that wreck the theme. The elves were leaving Middle Earth, not fighting at Helm's Deep. Despite the nice CGI, the dead do not kill anyone, not in the south and certainly not at Pelennor fields. This point is driven home in the Scouring of the Shire, where the Hobbits, with no help at all from anyone else, free the Shire of the evil men from the south.
 
2012-03-12 06:41:25 PM
Whar Prince of Tides? Whar??
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I'll never forgive Streisand for that one.
 
2012-03-12 08:58:09 PM

LeroyBourne: No Country for Old Men
/yeah I said it. the book is so much more balanced.


Nah. I saw the movie four times in theaters. I love it. I'm also currently reading the book and I have maybe 30 pages left. The book is great as well, but not as good. Chigurh, for example, is too long winded in his philosophizing. It's still good, but I prefer the more taciturn depiction in the film. The film also gives more of a feeling to Carla Jean and Ed Tom to some extent.

Both are gripping and hard to turn away from. The movie is still better.
 
2012-03-12 09:01:29 PM

Wayne 985: LeroyBourne: No Country for Old Men
/yeah I said it. the book is so much more balanced.

Nah. I saw the movie four times in theaters. I love it. I'm also currently reading the book and I have maybe 30 pages left. The book is great as well, but not as good. Chigurh, for example, is too long winded in his philosophizing. It's still good, but I prefer the more taciturn depiction in the film. The film also gives more of a feeling to Carla Jean and Ed Tom to some extent.

Both are gripping and hard to turn away from. The movie is still better.


One thing I'll add: Moss' final encounter and conversations with the young runaway girl - which were totally absent in the movie - were amazing in the book. It garnered a lot more sympathy for him and didn't paint his death as such a shock. I understand that it might've dragged or felt out of place on screen, but I loved reading it.
 
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