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(Baltimore Sun)   Teen smoking now in epidemic proportions. One in four high school students now smokes regularly, the other three just like to light up after having sex with their teacher   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 101
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2012-03-10 08:49:02 AM  
Hardy har subby.
How can they afford smokes?
 
2012-03-10 08:51:27 AM  
www.phawker.com

Yeah, that's absolutely what caused me to start smoking. And I'm still pissed that it didn't make me a pilot, a camel, nor cause hot blondes in sunglasses peer coyly at me over their shoulder.
 
2012-03-10 09:21:47 AM  
I'll take 'Ignoring inflation' for 40% of that rise Alex.
 
2012-03-10 09:25:02 AM  
(in ad $ since 1998).

The amusing part is the guy saying "This report highlights the urgent need to employ proven methods nationwide that prevent young people from smoking ..." If you're using them and they aren't working what exactly have you proven?
 
2012-03-10 09:28:07 AM  
So, banning the ads, cloves, and "kiddie flavored" cigs didn't have a big impact?
 
2012-03-10 09:32:05 AM  
If they put cigarettes in their mouth, they'll put anything in there mouth. Giggity.
 
2012-03-10 09:35:06 AM  
E-cig
 
2012-03-10 09:42:07 AM  
How can this be? There's no more cigarette advertising on TV, cigarettes are taxed like crazy, the boxes have huge warning labels, Big Tobacco lost gazillions in the historic class-action lawsuit, smoking indoors is now illegal, heck, in some places even smoking outdoors is illegal, and Joe the camel is gone. The cigarette companies have been clobbered by anti-tobacco activists again and again for decades. How can teen smoking possibly be growing???
 
2012-03-10 09:45:55 AM  

GilRuiz1: How can this be? There's no more cigarette advertising on TV, cigarettes are taxed like crazy, the boxes have huge warning labels, Big Tobacco lost gazillions in the historic class-action lawsuit, smoking indoors is now illegal, heck, in some places even smoking outdoors is illegal, and Joe the camel is gone. The cigarette companies have been clobbered by anti-tobacco activists again and again for decades. How can teen smoking possibly be growing???


I think it's important that we hammer the point home how "forbidden" cigarettes are because they're "dangerous" and that they're not in any way "cool". These are buzzwords that are sure to dissuade teens from smoking.

/Just say no!
 
2012-03-10 09:48:40 AM  
...and by 'epidemic' they could have said 'exactly where it has been for decades.' IIRC there was a 'That 70s Show' where Kitty mentioned 1 in 3 or 4 or 5 kids smoke. In my misspent youth in the 80s and 90s, it was about 1 in 4 or 5. Now they're shocked, shocked that it's 1 in 4.

meh.
 
2012-03-10 09:50:01 AM  
What does it say about a society when so many people have forgotten how to achieve real happiness that they'll enslave themselves to a chemical for a few minutes of fake pleasure a pop?
 
2012-03-10 09:57:10 AM  
So? Smoking is cool and it won't hurt you until you're old and dying anyhow even if you don't quit in your mid 20s like most people. I can't even really argue with the logic of a teenager taking up the habit. Sure, later in life you're expected to think longer-term, but teens are supposed to do stupid shiat like smoke, ride motorcycles, join the military, work retail, beatbox, and protest things. It's one of their primary functions in society.

//There is no way to make it not cool, it's a drug for adults that you light on farking fire. Plus it's dangerous. There is literally no possible spin that you can put on that to make it not awesome in teenager terms. Note how several middle aged dorky presidents are well-known to have smoked and that has completely failed to make it uncool.
 
2012-03-10 09:58:58 AM  
What I never got was this. My high school, in a conservative town, had a smoking area for students. Yet almost none of them could have legally purchased the cigarettes.
 
2012-03-10 09:58:59 AM  
GilRuiz1 and born_yesterday are correct! But we should also criminalize smoking tobacco because that has worked so well with drugs, passing strict DUS (driving while smoking) legislation, and have the FLOTUS condemn smoking like she has sitting on your arse and not moving it. Gov't should probably mandate that schools condemn smoking.
 
2012-03-10 09:59:23 AM  

Millennium: What does it say about a society when so many people have forgotten how to achieve real happiness that they'll enslave themselves to a chemical for a few minutes of fake pleasure a pop?


If mild stimulants are preventing you from achieving real happiness I would tend to suspect that the happiness you're aiming for isn't actually all that... real.

Try switching to Taoism, maybe? Or decaf?
 
2012-03-10 10:10:26 AM  
It's almost as if kids rebel by doing things they are told not to do! Let kids smoke and they'll eventually figure out what the rest of us already figured out. Smoking == Failure. Practically nobody over the age of 16 ever starts smoking anymore.
 
2012-03-10 10:12:48 AM  
You spend like 10 health lessons on the dangers of smoking, so anyone with an even slightly curious mind would light up after that whole experience.

But seriously, raising the prices, condemning smoking, and placing bigger warning labels on the packs are only going to make them MORE DESIRABLE for teens.

Also, where are these kids' parents? There is absolutely no way I could have hidden a smoking habit from my family when I was an idiot high-schooler. I wouldn't be surprised if due to the down economy, most parents are working longer, have less time to care for their children, and then their children start to go down this path.
 
2012-03-10 10:20:25 AM  
This surgeon general guy is probably just trying to remain relevant.
 
2012-03-10 10:24:16 AM  
What a smoking teenager might look like

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-03-10 10:24:41 AM  
0bama has made smoking cool again.

combined that with no health care cost consequences and of course kids will smoke.
 
2012-03-10 10:39:36 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: 0bama has made smoking cool again.

combined that with no health care cost consequences and of course kids will smoke.


YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!

/Go back to the shadows!...
 
2012-03-10 10:40:59 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Hardy har subby.
How can they afford smokes?


That's what I wondered. Once the price hit six dollars a pack, I calculated what I spent on my one pack a day habit, then decided it was too expensive to keep doing. That and the fact that there were too many people bumming smokes from me because they were too cheap to buy their own. I almost got beat up a few times when I finally stopped giving people smokes.
 
2012-03-10 10:58:24 AM  
Looks like banning "flavored" smokes, worked to curb youth smoking.

/wants his clove cigarettes back
//those awful "cigars" don't count
 
2012-03-10 11:00:13 AM  

Fano: So, banning the ads, cloves, and "kiddie flavored" cigs didn't have a big impact?


D'oh!!!

/When will I learn to read the entire thread before posting...
 
2012-03-10 11:17:49 AM  
Anyone notice how they keep recycling the same worn arguments year after year in these anti-"X" articles? (substitute cigarettes, pot, meth, alcohol, whatever for X)

And the outright lies are there too...

According to the report, advertising messages that make smoking appealing to young people are widespread, and advertising for tobacco products is prominently displayed in retail stores and online.


Where?!?!!?
Billboard? Nope, not allowed.
TV ads? Nope, not allowed.
Radio? Nope, not allowed.
Magazines? As I understand it only in ones that are 90% adult readership.
Online ads? I don't see any cigarette banner ads.
In-store marketing? Uhh yeah that simple Marlboro sign with a price on it will drive kids to smoke.

Complete bullshiat, being shoveled as an excuse to pass more laws/regulations.

Doesn't matter if you love or hate smoking, anyone with some common sense and who even slightly looks around should see this crap for what it is. More control.. it's always about control.
 
2012-03-10 11:19:30 AM  
I don't understand why all smokers don't switch to the e-cig.
 
2012-03-10 11:25:12 AM  

Mugato: I don't understand why all smokers don't switch to the e-cig.


Me neither. I would have thought the e-cig would put the regular (analog?) version practically out of business. You can use an e-cig in a bar or restaurant, right? On an airplane? I would think smokers would be lining up around the block for those things.
 
2012-03-10 11:29:09 AM  

jenlen: Anyone notice how they keep recycling the same worn arguments year after year in these anti-"X" articles?


I remember a few years ago I saw a news story about some anti-smoking crusaders biatching about an anti-smoking campaign paid for with Philip-Morris money. It had a drawing of a kid going off of a snowboard-jump and said "THINK - DON'T SMOKE".

The complaint?

1) If you tell kids to "Think - don't [do something]", they are naturally going to want to do that
2) The snowboard looks kind of like a cigarette and the clouds look kind of like smoke, so its a subliminal message to smoke

I'm not even joking. That was their complaint.
 
2012-03-10 11:39:48 AM  

Mugato: I don't understand why all smokers don't switch to the e-cig.


Meh, habit I guess. :P

/I am curious about those things though and I'm getting close to the point in my life where I'd always told myself I'll quit
 
2012-03-10 11:44:46 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I would have thought the e-cig would put the regular (analog?) version practically out of business. You can use an e-cig in a bar or restaurant, right? On an airplane? I would think smokers would be lining up around the block for those things.


E-cigs recreate the nicotine aspect, but the actual smoke itself has a texture and flavor in your mouth. Many people don't like the "taste" of E-cigs, because they don't feel like anything.

/switched to pipe tobacco when cigarettes hit 10 bucks a pack here
//cheaper and tastes better
 
2012-03-10 11:54:51 AM  

jenlen: Anyone notice how they keep recycling the same worn arguments year after year in these anti-"X" articles? (substitute cigarettes, pot, meth, alcohol, whatever for X)

And the outright lies are there too...

According to the report, advertising messages that make smoking appealing to young people are widespread, and advertising for tobacco products is prominently displayed in retail stores and online.


Where?!?!!?
Billboard? Nope, not allowed.
TV ads? Nope, not allowed.
Radio? Nope, not allowed.
Magazines? As I understand it only in ones that are 90% adult readership.
Online ads? I don't see any cigarette banner ads.
In-store marketing? Uhh yeah that simple Marlboro sign with a price on it will drive kids to smoke.

Complete bullshiat, being shoveled as an excuse to pass more laws/regulations.

Doesn't matter if you love or hate smoking, anyone with some common sense and who even slightly looks around should see this crap for what it is. More control.. it's always about control.


I seem to recall that PM didn't mind all the anti-smoking ads they had to underwrite because THEY REMINDED KIDS ABOUT SMOKING, and essentially were stealth ads. Citation needed, I know. But boy, people don't smoke in movies and tv like they used to.
 
2012-03-10 11:56:59 AM  

Millennium: What does it say about a society when so many people have forgotten how to achieve real happiness that they'll enslave themselves to a chemical for a few minutes of fake pleasure a pop?


What does it say about you when we've been doing this for as long as we've been able to and you're somehow expecting things to change?

/non-smoker
//well, not cigarettes
/may smoke a variety of other illicit substances on occasion though
 
2012-03-10 12:03:31 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Mugato: I don't understand why all smokers don't switch to the e-cig.

Meh, habit I guess. :P

/I am curious about those things though and I'm getting close to the point in my life where I'd always told myself I'll quit


Visit a forum specific to e-cigarettes. Lurk. Ask questions. Lurk more. Then buy... A lot have local meetings and you may be in range to hit up one where you can try them first -- that will help. Otherwise, ask a lot of questions and then buy. I'm working on towards a year at it. That's long enough so I consider myself a non-smoker now.
 
2012-03-10 12:04:38 PM  
Makes one wonder what the states did with all the money they received from the Tobacco Master Settlement ?
Every state got millions from the tobacco companies and spent less then a tenth of it on smoking cession programs.
I wish a class action suit would come around for adult smokers, who choose to smoke, because they are being discriminated against. To tax a product excessively because "we" don't think that product is good for you is wrong, the mindset of pricing something out of range for the average user so they won't purchase it is just as wrong.
Example: Guns don't kill people, bullets do. Hmm, if we put a tax of, say $2 per bullet people couldn't afford bullets and the deaths by gun will decline.
Beer causes drunk driving, we think that if we tax it high enough people won't be able to afford it, drunk driving deaths will go down.
Think about it, it's discrimination
 
2012-03-10 12:06:33 PM  

vwarb: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I would have thought the e-cig would put the regular (analog?) version practically out of business. You can use an e-cig in a bar or restaurant, right? On an airplane? I would think smokers would be lining up around the block for those things.

E-cigs recreate the nicotine aspect, but the actual smoke itself has a texture and flavor in your mouth. Many people don't like the "taste" of E-cigs, because they don't feel like anything.

/switched to pipe tobacco when cigarettes hit 10 bucks a pack here
//cheaper and tastes better


Eh... Spend some cash and get a nice one. Some of them hit like a truck, you just have to go over the 3.8 - 4.2v you get with the stick batteries. This can also be accomplished with using lower resistance consumables actually but, for simplicity sake, try variable voltage and crank that sucker up until it spits molten nicotine into your mouth and you'll feel something.

/not recommended
//find the 'sweet spot' and it is a beautiful thing
/also avoid tobacco flavors
 
2012-03-10 12:30:00 PM  
More abstinence-only sex-education will fix this problem right up.
 
2012-03-10 12:38:14 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mugato: I don't understand why all smokers don't switch to the e-cig.

Me neither. I would have thought the e-cig would put the regular (analog?) version practically out of business. You can use an e-cig in a bar or restaurant, right? On an airplane? I would think smokers would be lining up around the block for those things.


They do help with the nicotine part, but they still are not the same as hitting a real cig. I use both. The E's have helped me cut down, well in fact quit for a few months.
 
2012-03-10 12:42:36 PM  
Has there been any evidence at all that e-cigs are any safer than smoking? I'm genuinely curious.
 
2012-03-10 12:49:20 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Mugato: I don't understand why all smokers don't switch to the e-cig.

Meh, habit I guess. :P

/I am curious about those things though and I'm getting close to the point in my life where I'd always told myself I'll quit


I tried the e-cig, and it just made my addiction to nicotine ten times worse, because I could "smoke" in my office and it was actually pretty fun to smoke. My smoking habit was mild enough that I didn't always feel like i needed to have a cigarette, but with the e-cig I did.

If you're serious about quitting, I recommend hypnotherapy and cold turkey. I shiat you not. The way I thought about my habit after my therapy sessions changed dramatically, and this new mindset finally enabled me to quit for longer than a few days. Yesterday was 2 weeks since my last cigarette.
 
2012-03-10 12:58:16 PM  
Altia response to Surgeon General report:
Link (new window)
Smokers, it's worth the read.
 
2012-03-10 01:01:07 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Visit a forum specific to e-cigarettes. Lurk. Ask questions. Lurk more. Then buy... A lot have local meetings and you may be in range to hit up one where you can try them first -- that will help. Otherwise, ask a lot of questions and then buy. I'm working on towards a year at it. That's long enough so I consider myself a non-smoker now.


Yah I've got a few inroads to two different brands of them and been able to give both a try, they were an interesting thing but I didn't get the same sort of 'fix' from them that I did with a regular cigarette. I'm thinking my current plan is the next time I get a good week long flu or something to just quit then since during those times I rarely have a craving any ways.

The Name: I tried the e-cig, and it just made my addiction to nicotine ten times worse, because I could "smoke" in my office and it was actually pretty fun to smoke. My smoking habit was mild enough that I didn't always feel like i needed to have a cigarette, but with the e-cig I did.

If you're serious about quitting, I recommend hypnotherapy and cold turkey. I shiat you not. The way I thought about my habit after my therapy sessions changed dramatically, and this new mindset finally enabled me to quit for longer than a few days. Yesterday was 2 weeks since my last cigarette.


...and that I think is my biggest hesitation about taking those up, that I'd just be replacing one with the other. For anything else that I've broken habit wise I'd always just done it cold turkey style and won, but I do realize they were trivial in comparison to what has been my longest on-going addictive habit. I'm optimistic though that when I do decide that enough's enough it will be a one time event without relapse.
 
2012-03-10 01:03:22 PM  

vwarb: E-cigs recreate the nicotine aspect, but the actual smoke itself has a texture and flavor in your mouth. Many people don't like the "taste" of E-cigs, because they don't feel like anything.


For menthol smokers, menthol juice really does the trick. For regular cigarette smokers, yeah, you can't replicate the taste of tobacco smoke, but most people realize they don't really like that flavor anyway and adopt another pet flavor. Some experimenting with VG/PG blends and voltage will usually lead to getting the particular level of "throat hit" that an individual prefers.

The only place it really, really falls short is that glorious first cig/coffee in the morning "Ahh, I feel alive now, oh and I need to poo" feeling.
 
2012-03-10 01:10:10 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Yah I've got a few inroads to two different brands of them and been able to give both a try, they were an interesting thing but I didn't get the same sort of 'fix' from them that I did with a regular cigarette. I'm thinking my current plan is the next time I get a good week long flu or something to just quit then since during those times I rarely have a craving any ways.


I avoid the tobacco flavors mostly. I love me some banana.
 
2012-03-10 01:10:24 PM  
The amusing part is the guy saying "This report highlights the urgent need to employ proven methods nationwide that prevent young people from smoking

=

we want to raise taxes
 
2012-03-10 01:10:41 PM  
Bravo subby, Bravo.
 
2012-03-10 01:11:39 PM  
I have a couple of e-pipes (DSE601s, battery and rechargeable) that I use when it's time to dish out some advice (p.s. the Bailey's flavour rocks), but I still keep tobacco handy when I'm near high schools, because it's important to show teens that smoking is toally wizard and makes you look like a rebel. I just put on my cargo shorts and then I light a bunch of smokes and skateboard past them, like a one-man choo-choo train that's pulling a couple of invisible carriages. You know who the passengers in those carriages are? The Wicked-Awesome family and the Up-Yours-Dad family. Both families are descended from English nobility, and can trace their lineage back to Sir RocksALot.There is also one of those restaurant carriages, and all they serve in there is Rebelliousness and Funk. Also I pass out acid tabs at lunchtime, so that the youth can marvel at my one-dude Locomotive of Insubordination in the proper manner.
 
2012-03-10 01:12:53 PM  

BigSlowTarget: (in ad $ since 1998).

The amusing part is the guy saying "This report highlights the urgent need to employ proven methods nationwide that prevent young people from smoking ..." If you're using them and they aren't working what exactly have you proven?


The death penalty doesn't even stop murder because nobody really expects to be caught and sentenced to death. I think we might need to go a step higher and execute teens on the street if they are caught smoking. A few will die, but then the rest will catch on. If it saves just one life it will all be worth it. OK, not one, but if it save three lives beyond the first three we had to kill for their own good....

incendi: The only place it really, really falls short is that glorious first cig/coffee in the morning "Ahh, I feel alive now, oh and I need to poo" feeling.


A couple bongs hits might satisfy some of that. Or snap up a couple tiny lines and start the day. Speaking of....time for me to launch this thing...
 
2012-03-10 01:13:39 PM  
I work with a babyfaced 19-year old who smokes like he's been to farking war, to borrow an expression from the Onion.

Another coworker is a decrepit lifelong smoker, a shriveled and pitiful husk of a man who can't walk ten steps without wheezing. A few weeks ago, he started lugging around an oxygen tank... and now he's mysteriously gone.

Babyface don't see it. He gets to stare at a living anti-smoking ad, and it doesn't change his behavior one bit. Cripes... you know, i like using Photoshop, eating sushi, and downloading free songs, but if doing these things KILLED me slowly and agonizingly, i would quit.
 
2012-03-10 01:23:38 PM  
I get why people don't quit -- what I don't understand is why anyone these days would ever start.

Even if you don't care that it will kill you, it's a ridiculously expensive habit, even for an adult with a job. It makes you, your clothes, and everything you own reek. Without nearly as many "role models" making it look cool, I just don't imagine it continuing as a socially acceptable custom with future generations.

Though one only needs to look at Fark to see that some people aren't too bright.
 
2012-03-10 01:24:22 PM  

ELF Radio: I work with a babyfaced 19-year old who smokes like he's been to farking war, to borrow an expression from the Onion.

Another coworker is a decrepit lifelong smoker, a shriveled and pitiful husk of a man who can't walk ten steps without wheezing. A few weeks ago, he started lugging around an oxygen tank... and now he's mysteriously gone.

Babyface don't see it. He gets to stare at a living anti-smoking ad, and it doesn't change his behavior one bit. Cripes... you know, i like using Photoshop, eating sushi, and downloading free songs, but if doing these things KILLED me slowly and agonizingly, i would quit.


Don't be too hard on babyface, and don't be so confident about what you would be able to do if you were addicted to smoking. As a smoker who is currently going through the total mindfark that is the quitting process, I can tell you that the addicted brain can and will perform truly amazing feats of acrobatic logic to justify smoking -and even the smartest of people are susceptible to that way of thinking when they're addicted.
 
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