i don't
never have
never will

/oats are sowed
//sex is better than ever!

minoridiot: I don't cheat, but my wife knows how to give a fantastic bj and will do so anytime I ask.

I wish mine would do the same. I know it was her grandmother's funeral and all, but damn, sometimes you just get an urge, you know?

THE GREAT NAME: KiplingKat872: You want farking hard? Age 9 to 14 I was sexually molested by two men because my father completely failed in his basic duty to protect his child. At 18, I was raped. Ages 28 through 31, I was involved with a serial cheater.
Do I win?

Most shrinks consider my attitude towards men commendible considering, but then I think it's more because I know but bat-shiat crazy psycho coonts women can be. Like the fanfic author I had to go to the police about. It seems because I don't like her fanfic, she feels entitled to dig up my personal info and harass me at my work place.


You should consider how it feels to be incarcerated in a Nazi death camp, having to spend all day carting the dead bodies of your friends and relatives around knowing soon you will be murdered by deadly gas just for your ethnic heritage.

Libs, with their anti-semitism, would repeat the holocaust at the drop of a hat. They are trying to help arabs drive Israel into the sea. They are trying to disempower the Jew in europe and USA. Environmentalism is a pretext for racism. Political correctness is a pretext for total thought control. The recession, caused by liberals borrowing trillions to spend it rather than invest it, is the pretext for "emergency" withdrawal of democracy and this has already begun.

If a man cheats on you just tell him to get lost. When the Progressive Liberal Consensus starts the Final War against the rest of humanity, you will have other things to worry about.

Poe's law in effect.

SkunkWerks: Jim_Callahan: I'm fairly certain that people are, y'know, fully capable of controlling their own behavior, is what I'm saying here.

This is a revolutionary idea. Do you need a grant to explore this notion?

If you think I should be given money to expose myself socially to attractive women willing to have sex with me until I have the data points sufficient for a formal study? Yes.

//You can be the control group.

TFA: One solution, of course, is for a woman to pick a man with low testosterone - a low sex drive - who won't have the same impetus to be unfaithful to her that the majority of men might have.

But if she goes for alpha males - men with high sex drive - it will be extremely difficult for her to stop that kind of man from being unfaithful.

A not-so-subtle rallying cry for women to lower their standards and start dating nerds? I can get behind this =P

A Bloody Disaster: Dr. Mojo PhD: Again, you're arguing contrary to your own point:

Jesus Christ... This is the easiest

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KiplingKat872: THE GREAT NAME: KiplingKat872: You want farking hard? Age 9 to 14 I was sexually molested by two men because my father completely failed in his basic duty to protect his child. At 18, I was raped. Ages 28 through 31, I was involved with a serial cheater.
Do I win?

Most shrinks consider my attitude towards men commendible considering, but then I think it's more because I know but bat-shiat crazy psycho coonts women can be. Like the fanfic author I had to go to the police about. It seems because I don't like her fanfic, she feels entitled to dig up my personal info and harass me at my work place.


You should consider how it feels to be incarcerated in a Nazi death camp, having to spend all day carting the dead bodies of your friends and relatives around knowing soon you will be murdered by deadly gas just for your ethnic heritage.

Libs, with their anti-semitism, would repeat the holocaust at the drop of a hat. They are trying to help arabs drive Israel into the sea. They are trying to disempower the Jew in europe and USA. Environmentalism is a pretext for racism. Political correctness is a pretext for total thought control. The recession, caused by liberals borrowing trillions to spend it rather than invest it, is the pretext for "emergency" withdrawal of democracy and this has already begun.

If a man cheats on you just tell him to get lost. When the Progressive Liberal Consensus starts the Final War against the rest of humanity, you will have other things to worry about.

Poe's law in effect.

Clever girl.

THE GREAT NAME: You should consider how it feels to be incarcerated in a Nazi death camp, having to spend all day carting the dead bodies of your friends and relatives around knowing soon you will be murdered by deadly gas just for your ethnic heritage.

Libs, with their anti-semitism, would repeat the holocaust at the drop of a hat. They are trying to help arabs drive Israel into the sea. They are trying to disempower the Jew in europe and USA. Environmentalism is a pretext for racism. Political correctness is a pretext for total thought control. The recession, caused by liberals borrowing trillions to spend it rather than invest it, is the pretext for "emergency" withdrawal of democracy and this has already begun.

If a man cheats on you just tell him to get lost. When the Progressive Liberal Consensus starts the Final War against the rest of humanity, you will have other things to worry about.

9/10. Ladies and gents, THIS is how you troll.

Is this the thread where they take flawed data reported in highly dubious, trollish mass media and use it as a jumping off point to post your own issues in life and try to make sweeping generalizations about others in near-fundamentalist zeal to point fingers everywhere but at oneself?

Just checking.

Generation_D: Is this the thread where they take flawed data reported in highly dubious, trollish mass media and use it as a jumping off point to post your own issues in life and try to make sweeping generalizations about others in near-fundamentalist zeal to point fingers everywhere but at oneself?

Just checking.

Yes. And your mother is a whore.

FunkOut: This just in : some people are poopyheads!

More fascinating news in at 11 when we will inform you that soup can be eaten from bowls and your cat may enjoy cat food.

My personal whinging aside, I think this pretty much sums it up.

minoridiot: I don't cheat, but my wife knows how to give a fantastic bj and will do so anytime I ask.

Sounds like your wife is trying to make up for something. You sure she's not the one who's cheating?

ph0rk: Do you really want to argue that Kanazawa is a careful researcher?

Nope, I've seen the material critical of his research, and his -- as I said -- severe problem with causality. He's not careful, he's definitively sloppy, and I would bet a lot of the work that gets people crying OMG RACIST! is an attempt at a new "Bell Curve controversy". It doesn't necessarily follow from that that all his work is bad, and I was criticizing your choice of argument to focus on vocabulary-intelligence relationships in adults when recollection was that these were teenage respondents.

ph0rk: Further, the measures of atheism aren't great (no religion/none of the above != atheist).

Nor does he classify it as such. With the study open in front of me, he doesn't apply the atheism label to the Add Health respondents, merely a measure of religious intensity. The measure for atheism comes from the GSS, which does ask, point blank, the respondents belief in God (as well as their religious intensity).

ph0rk: Whether or not the PPVT administered at age 13-17 is still valid at age 18-26 (wave 3, wave 4 wasn't available) is something else.

This is where I'll readily agree it gets wonky.

In order to establish the direction of causality more clearly, I will use the measure of intelligence taken in Wave I (in 1994-1995 when the respondents were in junior high and high school) to predict their adult values in Wave III (in 2001-2002 when the respondents are in their early adulthood). Despite the fact that correlation between measures of intelligence at Waves I and III (taken seven years apart) is not extremely high (r = .5844, p < .0001, n = 13,943), all of my substantive conclusions (and even the size of the coefficients) remain the same if I use Wave III's measure of intelligence.

This isn't yet considering the word "causality" crops up, which I've agreed is where he seems to have his largest problem. I see what he's trying to do here, of course, but the idea of forcing causality is... well... what it is with him.

Meethos: ChuDogg: Well yet another thread with KiplingKat872 spilling out her personal issues and then crying that nobody is taking her seriously.

Ah, so it's a "thing", not just this time.

Ha, put her on favorite and watch out for her over a few months, she can somehow turn any discussion into an expose about her abusive relationships with men. Ask her about her rape experience, you'll get a different story every time.

I've debated whether it's a troll account. If so, it deserves to be in the top 10 of fark history.

ChuDogg: Meethos: ChuDogg: Well yet another thread with KiplingKat872 spilling out her personal issues and then crying that nobody is taking her seriously.

Ah, so it's a "thing", not just this time.

Ha, put her on favorite and watch out for her over a few months, she can somehow turn any discussion into an expose about her abusive relationships with men. Ask her about her rape experience, you'll get a different story every time.

I've debated whether it's a troll account. If so, it deserves to be in the top 10 of fark history.

You fools should stop bickering about trivial matters when LIBS are threatening to destroy our very way of life.

THE GREAT NAME: ChuDogg: Meethos: ChuDogg: Well yet another thread with KiplingKat872 spilling out her personal issues and then crying that nobody is taking her seriously.

Ah, so it's a "thing", not just this time.

Ha, put her on favorite and watch out for her over a few months, she can somehow turn any discussion into an expose about her abusive relationships with men. Ask her about her rape experience, you'll get a different story every time.

I've debated whether it's a troll account. If so, it deserves to be in the top 10 of fark history.

You fools should stop bickering about trivial matters when LIBS are threatening to destroy our very way of life.

Jesus was a voyeur.

Dr. Mojo PhD: Jesus was a voyeur.

You spelled "Extraterrestrial" wrong.

/he stole my hot rod

darkhorse23: I don't mind. My cheater is supporting me in fine style, for the foreseeable future. Ahhhh, retirement is nice. How's that Ashley Madison shiat working out for you now, darlin?


Did you ever think for a moment that the reason why he cheated was due to your personality and the subsequent support of your lifestyle was simply worth getting away from you? Probably not.

It amazes me how many women never seem to think they are the issue. Your man doesn't always cheat because he's programmed to (or whatever excuses you can come up with), he does it because you could very well be a condescending biatch and you're simply not giving him what he needs - physically or emotionally.

The more you know.

/cheated many times and never felt guilty of it
//have also been faithful to women that were worth the respect

Chudogg is just pissy (and lying) because I called him out for being a rape apologist and then put him on ignore.

But since he says he has favorited me, I guess rejection from women turns him on.

No matter how many times you say it, it won't become any truer. Show some self-control and keep it in your pants like a grown-up.

Protip : if you think you're going to cheat with someone, find some porno with a woman who looks enough like her, rub one out and I guarantee going through all that nonsense to have sex with her and betraying your mate will disappear.

Has anyone used the "we were on a break" defense?

miko_toy: darkhorse23: I don't mind. My cheater is supporting me in fine style, for the foreseeable future. Ahhhh, retirement is nice. How's that Ashley Madison shiat working out for you now, darlin?


Did you ever think for a moment that the reason why he cheated was due to your personality and the subsequent support of your lifestyle was simply worth getting away from you? Probably not.

It amazes me how many women never seem to think they are the issue. Your man doesn't always cheat because he's programmed to (or whatever excuses you can come up with), he does it because you could very well be a condescending biatch and you're simply not giving him what he needs - physically or emotionally.

The more you know.

/cheated many times and never felt guilty of it
//have also been faithful to women that were worth the respect

If the woman was such a biatch, why were you with her to begin with?

This is where the "it's the faithful partner's fault" argument fails. If they were so horrible you "felt the need to cheat" why were you even in that relationship? Why didn't you have the balls to break up with them?

People affect how you feel, but the choice to cheat rather than deal with those feelings is your responsibilty, not theirs. They did not hold a gun to your head and make you cheat. You were just a passive aggressive coward who could not deal with problems in the relationship honestly.

And from the sound of it, you rationize cheating a lot. Once or twice, maybe I could buy the "I was unhappy..." line, but you sound like a serial cheater. Did it ever occur to you that the only constant in all the relationships you cheated in is you? You can't keep it in your pants, so you need to find someone who wants an open relationship rather than hurting women.

KiplingKat872: SkunkWerks: ph0rk: Most people say they love the person they are with because of the social pressures to seem as if they feel that way.

I'd say this article is a pretty good citation for that.

If you love someone, the most basic expression of that is a desire to spare them pain. You don't cause massive amounts of it by cheating on them. All the cheaters on this survey who claim to love their partners, don't. If they did, they would not deliberately hurt them like this.

Well said.

There has to be something seriously wrong with a person who can claim to love someone on one hand, and then voluntarily do something to completely devastate them in order to satisfy a temporary urge.

Cheaters are scum, male or female.

Dr. Mojo PhD: THE GREAT NAME: ChuDogg: Meethos: ChuDogg: Well yet another thread with KiplingKat872 spilling out her personal issues and then crying that nobody is taking her seriously.

Ah, so it's a "thing", not just this time.

Ha, put her on favorite and watch out for her over a few months, she can somehow turn any discussion into an expose about her abusive relationships with men. Ask her about her rape experience, you'll get a different story every time.

I've debated whether it's a troll account. If so, it deserves to be in the top 10 of fark history.

You fools should stop bickering about trivial matters when LIBS are threatening to destroy our very way of life.

Jesus was a voyeur.

You foolish liberal thinking those who disagree with you must be jesus freaks.

KiplingKat872: If the woman was such a biatch, why were you with her to begin with?

If your serial cheater was such a torturous mindfark, why were you with him in the first place?

LoneWolf343: No matter how many times you say it, it won't become any truer. Show some self-control and keep it in your pants like a grown-up.

Agreed, but the "men just naturally cheat" defense isn't coming just from the guys. Women's magazines love to pick apart all the pseudo-scientific reasons you should constantly be paranoid about your man running around on you. A quick google search of Cosmo articles (Nietzsche warned me not to stare into that abyss for too long) revealed articles blaming everything from seasons to heredity for why men cheat.

THE GREAT NAME: Dr. Mojo PhD: THE GREAT NAME: ChuDogg: Meethos: ChuDogg: Well yet another thread with KiplingKat872 spilling out her personal issues and then crying that nobody is taking her seriously.

Ah, so it's a "thing", not just this time.

Ha, put her on favorite and watch out for her over a few months, she can somehow turn any discussion into an expose about her abusive relationships with men. Ask her about her rape experience, you'll get a different story every time.

I've debated whether it's a troll account. If so, it deserves to be in the top 10 of fark history.

You fools should stop bickering about trivial matters when LIBS are threatening to destroy our very way of life.

Jesus was a voyeur.

You foolish liberal thinking those who disagree with you must be jesus freaks.

Jesus freaks are a selectable class in Team Fortress 2.

KiplingKat872: UnspokenVoice: KiplingKat872: First of all, I hate the idiotic attitude that "human beings are just slaves to our animal natures." Anyone who believes that can hand over their computer, car keys, and credit cards and go run down their meals on foot. You enjoy the privilages of living in a civiluzed society, you damn well are going to pay the costs.

I accept that someone want a polyamirus lifestyle and that it us easier on everyone if they are honest about that from the outset and find mates that will accept that.

But I will NEVER knowingly allow any man who thinks he has a right to cheat within 50 feet of my bed. I've lived with that tortorus mindfark once before:love without trust. Fark that shiat. Any man trying to get with me who thinks he has a right to cheat on me that had better "get used to" the idea that I have a right to fark him up.

Hard.

No farking way in hell I am going through that shiat again. I will spend the rest of my life single and celibate before I get involved with another cheater. Happily so.

Maybe he cheated on you because you like to pretend you are more intellectually capable than you are? If you're going to use words you aren't actually familiar with (but heard on daytime talk shows once and thought they sounded good) then you should probably use spell checking, it is free and easy.

I'm on a mobile at 6:30 am on Saturday farkwad.

When I get to a P.C. remind me to put you on ignore for being a looser who thinks criticizing typos is a legitimate debate tactic.

You loser twat.

Go blog about it some more... that will help you out in the long run.KiplingKat872: UnspokenVoice: KiplingKat872: First of all, I hate the idiotic attitude that "human beings are just slaves to our animal natures." Anyone who believes that can hand over their computer, car keys, and credit cards and go run down their meals on foot. You enjoy the privilages of living in a civiluzed society, you damn well are going to pay the costs.

I accept that someone want a polyamirus lifestyle and that it us easier on everyone if they are honest about that from the outset and find mates that will accept that.

But I will NEVER knowingly allow any man who thinks he has a right to cheat within 50 feet of my bed. I've lived with that tortorus mindfark once before:love without trust. Fark that shiat. Any man trying to get with me who thinks he has a right to cheat on me that had better "get used to" the idea that I have a right to fark him up.

Hard.

No farking way in hell I am going through that shiat again. I will spend the rest of my life single and celibate before I get involved with another cheater. Happily so.

Maybe he cheated on you because you like to pretend you are more intellectually capable than you are? If you're going to use words you aren't actually familiar with (but heard on daytime talk shows once and thought they sounded good) then you should probably use spell checking, it is free and easy.

Oh and if we ever meet, remind me to beat you farking senseless with a tire iron for suggesting I deserved to go through three years of hell because my typing skills on my phone didn't match up to your standards.

Based on your composure, I am going to assume that your man cheated on you for being an emotional wreck that did not have the capability to logically reason with an individual during times of disagreement.

He cheated because you pushed him to.

Dr. Mojo PhD: If your serial cheater was such a torturous mindfark, why were you with him in the first place?




Ouch.

KiplingKat872: Did it ever occur to you that the only constant in all the relationships you cheated in is you?

There is another constant: women. By your own logic, perhaps women are the problem.

But this is getting off topic. The real issue is LIBS distorting science by corrupting it with agenda politics of climatism, and the resulting demise of the age of reason, which will cause us all to degenerate into animals with opposable thumbs, reduced to throwing rocks and sticks at each other for all eternity.

KiplingKat872: If the woman was such a biatch, why were you with her to begin with?

This is where the "it's the faithful partner's fault" argument fails. If they were so horrible you "felt the need to cheat" why were you even in that relationship? Why didn't you have the balls to break up with them?

I think it cuts both ways. A woman might not have the ovaries to break up with her boyfriend, and choose instead to frustrate him into breaking up with her, or if he cheats instead of breaking it off, she has leverage to make a clean break (i.e. she wanted to break up but now she can say it's his fault they have to). People be screwed-up.

THE GREAT NAME: But this is getting off topic. The real issue is LIBS distorting science by corrupting it with agenda politics of climatism, and the resulting demise of the age of reason, which will cause us all to degenerate into animals with opposable thumbs, reduced to throwing rocks and sticks at each other for all eternity.

Mike_LowELL is better at this.

Occam's Nailfile: KiplingKat872: SkunkWerks: ph0rk: Most people say they love the person they are with because of the social pressures to seem as if they feel that way.

I'd say this article is a pretty good citation for that.

If you love someone, the most basic expression of that is a desire to spare them pain. You don't cause massive amounts of it by cheating on them. All the cheaters on this survey who claim to love their partners, don't. If they did, they would not deliberately hurt them like this.

Well said.

There has to be something seriously wrong with a person who can claim to love someone on one hand, and then voluntarily do something to completely devastate them in order to satisfy a temporary urge.

Cheaters are scum, male or female.

True on the last point as well. I think there are just as many unfaithful women as men, and in both genders it is reprehensible.

Honestly is key, with oneself, with ones partners. If one can't be monogamous, then they need to admit that and look for an open relationship where that is spelled out. If their partner is not giving them something they need to the point they are looking elsewhere for it, then they should be honest and talk to them about it. If it can't be resolved, then they should break up. (Do people really think, "I think we should break up" is less painful than them finding out that you cheated on them?) There is no excuse for cheating. It's just cruel and that is just not something you do to someone you love. As someone else brought up, it is not even something you do to someone you respect.

Unless, they're into the BDSM scene and like cruelty, but that is a different discussion.

doglover: Dr. Mojo PhD: While there is a reproductive strategy in farking a lot of women, there's a ton of confounding factors to it. Intelligence, for example, has a high correlation to male (but not female) sexual exclusivity.

Translation for people who don't know any academics: People who do studies paint themselves in a positive light at the expense of research.

In reality, many, many, MANY people are not monogamous. shiat happens. My great grandfather was a farmer. Not the brightest bulb in terms of book learning. He never split any atoms or cured any diseases. He did however receive a presidential citation for staying married to the same woman for over 60 years. My friend is a university professor with two masters degrees and has been in more women than tampons.

So I say bah to your claims. If intelligence is found to be linked to monogamy in some study, I want to see the study where the claims were independently verified.

I would suggest that your grandfather wasn't necessarily un-intelligent just because he was a farmer and the professor wasnt necessarily intelligent because he has some degrees. Book learning does not equate intelligence. How much intelligence is required to make a 60 year marriage work and run smoothly? lots I would imagine, especially when it was not as socially acceptable to separate. Both parties would have to make it work, learn to compromise etc etc. Requires intelligence. Reminds me of my grandfather, no book learning, but a very smart farmer. Also stayed married his whole life. Although maybe people would see that as not very smart at all! to stay married for 60 years. ;)

In my experience more intelligent people also see the risk of disease with promiscuity. Maybe people who are concerned of disease would prefer to stay monogamous and hope their partner would stay monogamous for the same reason. Most of my friends are either monogamous, or have arrangements with an exclusive third party. Everyone remains disease free. This seems intelligent to me. But, I also see the avoidance of disease as an intelligent goal.

Emperorsteele: A not-so-subtle rallying cry for women to lower their standards and start dating nerds?

I would argue that "nerds" quite often have a sex drive that puts most "non-nerds" to shame, if not by way of deprivation, then simply because...

Your brain: the only sex organ that really matters.

Shadowknight: I have never and will never cheat on my wife. Whether this has to do with the fact that I love her so much, that I'm afraid of her on a physical level due to her being a second dan black belt knowing where I sleep, or that I'm a lazy fark who finds the entire idea of wooing another woman after this long out of practice completely exhausting, I'll never know.

Probably a combo of all three.

same only my gal is a complete red neck and pyrotechnic babe

KiplingKat872: miko_toy: darkhorse23: I don't mind. My cheater is supporting me in fine style, for the foreseeable future. Ahhhh, retirement is nice. How's that Ashley Madison shiat working out for you now, darlin?


Did you ever think for a moment that the reason why he cheated was due to your personality and the subsequent support of your lifestyle was simply worth getting away from you? Probably not.

It amazes me how many women never seem to think they are the issue. Your man doesn't always cheat because he's programmed to (or whatever excuses you can come up with), he does it because you could very well be a condescending biatch and you're simply not giving him what he needs - physically or emotionally.

The more you know.

/cheated many times and never felt guilty of it
//have also been faithful to women that were worth the respect

If the woman was such a biatch, why were you with her to begin with?

This is where the "it's the faithful partner's fault" argument fails. If they were so horrible you "felt the need to cheat" why were you even in that relationship? Why didn't you have the balls to break up with them?

People affect how you feel, but the choice to cheat rather than deal with those feelings is your responsibilty, not theirs. They did not hold a gun to your head and make you cheat. You were just a passive aggressive coward who could not deal with problems in the relationship honestly.

And from the sound of it, you rationize cheating a lot. Once or twice, maybe I could buy the "I was unhappy..." line, but you sound like a serial cheater. Did it ever occur to you that the only constant in all the relationships you cheated in is you? You can't keep it in your pants, so you need to find someone who wants an open relationship rather than hurting women.

I am fully capable of controlling the desire to cheat while being with a strong woman that shares what I love in life. I have been with the same woman for over 3 years now and have never once strayed from her. She's beautiful, caring, respectful, driven, successful, intelligent, active and a huge nerd that shares my love for astronomy, and a variety of athletic sports (we play, we don't watch). Why would I purposely screw that up by running to some half wit that lacks anything I seek? I would never do so.

All men have the ability to control our desire to be unfaithful, but that desire to be unfaithful is not solely driven by animalism. As surprised as you may be, a lot of men do have very sound logical reasoning as to why they cheat. Granted, some are just being pigs and love doing it for the sake of variety.

As for your comment about having the balls to break up - hah. For me, it's a game. Disrespect me, and you're treated like an object that I can throw away at any given notice. What little emotion that remains is purely lust and who doesn't love lust ;)

Love those that respect me. Tarnish those that do not.

ChuDogg: Meethos: ChuDogg: Well yet another thread with KiplingKat872 spilling out her personal issues and then crying that nobody is taking her seriously.

Ah, so it's a "thing", not just this time.

Ha, put her on favorite and watch out for her over a few months, she can somehow turn any discussion into an expose about her abusive relationships with men. Ask her about her rape experience, you'll get a different story every time.

I've debated whether it's a troll account. If so, it deserves to be in the top 10 of fark history.

Yeah, this talent has existed ever since usenet, so nearly 30 years now of some people posting infinite personal pain that never ends or never gets better. A person thats a professional victim is talented like that. Everything wraps around what awful experiences they've had, and how the world owes them the crappy hand they were dealt to begin with.

Dr. Mojo PhD: KiplingKat872: If the woman was such a biatch, why were you with her to begin with?

If your serial cheater was such a torturous mindfark, why were you with him in the first place?

I was stupid. The red flags were there, but nothing confirmed. He was good, there was never anything he could be nailed on. Everything he had an explanation for, even if it was a lame explanation. And I was in love so I tried to ignore all the red flags and my "childish jealous suspicions" as he termed them, as the trust just erroded to nothing.

That's the protip for cheaters: Make the faithful partner feel bad for doubting you. A good defense is a good offence.

It was a friend who finally had to say, "I can't stand to watch you go through this anymore" who finally laid out the undeniable evidence. By that point it was a relief to have real evidence of his infedelity so I could leave without question that I was doing right by me, not wrong by him.

miko_toy: KiplingKat872: miko_toy: darkhorse23: I don't mind. My cheater is supporting me in fine style, for the foreseeable future. Ahhhh, retirement is nice. How's that Ashley Madison shiat working out for you now, darlin?


Did you ever think for a moment that the reason why he cheated was due to your personality and the subsequent support of your lifestyle was simply worth getting away from you? Probably not.

It amazes me how many women never seem to think they are the issue. Your man doesn't always cheat because he's programmed to (or whatever excuses you can come up with), he does it because you could very well be a condescending biatch and you're simply not giving him what he needs - physically or emotionally.

The more you know.

/cheated many times and never felt guilty of it
//have also been faithful to women that were worth the respect

If the woman was such a biatch, why were you with her to begin with?

This is where the "it's the faithful partner's fault" argument fails. If they were so horrible you "felt the need to cheat" why were you even in that relationship? Why didn't you have the balls to break up with them?

People affect how you feel, but the choice to cheat rather than deal with those feelings is your responsibilty, not theirs. They did not hold a gun to your head and make you cheat. You were just a passive aggressive coward who could not deal with problems in the relationship honestly.

And from the sound of it, you rationize cheating a lot. Once or twice, maybe I could buy the "I was unhappy..." line, but you sound like a serial cheater. Did it ever occur to you that the only constant in all the relationships you cheated in is you? You can't keep it in your pants, so you need to find someone who wants an open relationship rather than hurting women.

I am fully capable of controlling the desire to cheat while being with a strong woman that shares what I love in life. I have been with the same woman for over 3 years now and have never once strayed from her. She's beautiful, caring, respectful, driven, successful, intelligent, active and a huge nerd that shares my love for astronomy, and a variety of athletic sports (we play, we don't watch). Why would I purposely screw that up by running to some half wit that lacks anything I seek? I would never do so.

All men have the ability to control our desire to be unfaithful, but that desire to be unfaithful is not solely driven by animalism. As surprised as you may be, a lot of men do have very sound logical reasoning as to why they cheat. Granted, some are just being pigs and love doing it for the sake of variety.

As for your comment about having the balls to break up - hah. For me, it's a game. Disrespect me, and you're treated like an object that I can throw away at any given notice. What little emotion that remains is purely lust and who doesn't love lust ;)

Love those that respect me. Tarnish those that do not.

A game? So you are a childish coward. Got it.

In my opinion it's possible to love someone but cheat on them. Everyone can make a mistake, be selfish, let their desires get the best of them, especially when there are problems in your relationship at the time, or alcohol/drugs are involved. I can see it happening once in a relationship, but if the overwhelming guilt at what you've done doesn't lead you learn from your mistake then you either don't love the person or have some issues (not admitting that I cheated...just my opinion...that's my story and I'm sticking to it...)

As one of my heterosexual British participants has said to me: "At least with cheating there is an attempt at monogamy."

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KiplingKat872: Dr. Mojo PhD: KiplingKat872: If the woman was such a biatch, why were you with her to begin with?

If your serial cheater was such a torturous mindfark, why were you with him in the first place?

I was stupid. The red flags were there, but nothing confirmed. He was good, there was never anything he could be nailed on. Everything he had an explanation for, even if it was a lame explanation. And I was in love so I tried to ignore all the red flags and my "childish jealous suspicions" as he termed them, as the trust just erroded to nothing.

That's the protip for cheaters: Make the faithful partner feel bad for doubting you. A good defense is a good offence.

It was a friend who finally had to say, "I can't stand to watch you go through this anymore" who finally laid out the undeniable evidence. By that point it was a relief to have real evidence of his infedelity so I could leave without question that I was doing right by me, not wrong by him.

You know that counts for men too, right? You know men go out with total biatches who -- unsurprisingly -- do not want us to know they're total biatches when we started dating them.

Now, as to why a man might cheat, here's a story of my own: When I was 15 I dated a girl with depression problems with a 15-year-old's understanding of the problems that would cause later. That is to say, none at all. She was cute, she put out, and when her weird racism started to surface, I wanted to bolt. So, while I had the balls to break up with her, what I didn't have the balls to do was live with myself if she slit her wrists, as she tried to do several times.

My solution was just to have relationships on the side, and continue to give her little head-pats and a fake relationship until she got her head together.

Was I going to deprive myself of the affection I wanted out of a relationship to continue servicing a sham relationship I wasn't happy with? F*CK NO. She did it to herself, and I didn't (and still don't) feel the least bit guilty for that. She lost the right to expect faithfulness from me the second she tried to trap me in a relationship with threats of suicide.

This is all getting disturbingly personal.

One Bad Apple: So how do you know what he said?

If you ignore someone but don't click the "ignore posts quoting this person" button, you'll see what they said through someone else's post. If someone has you on ignore, they'd still see me quoting you saying "So how do you know what he said?".

/the more you know