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2012-03-09 10:52:20 PM  
Three firsts and a second? For one player? Goddamn, if there's anyone in the league capable of out-derping the Browns, it's Dan Snyder.
 
2012-03-09 10:57:28 PM  
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LOL Redskins.
 
2012-03-10 12:08:48 AM  
We never realized how good we had it when Jack Kent Cooke was owner and Bobby Beathard was pulling all pros out of 6th round picks and RFK was rocking. I have a hard time even watching them these days. Boring ass crowd with an uninspired team led by a complete jerkwad owner. Bah.
 
2012-03-10 12:19:42 AM  
I've been on the fence about renewing my Redskins season tickets. This may push me off the fence for good. Maybe I'll become an Argonauts fan instead.
 
2012-03-10 12:29:22 AM  
Fo those who don't follow Dan Snyder, here's a recap (new window)
 
2012-03-10 12:38:22 AM  

Warthog: I've been on the fence about renewing my Redskins season tickets. This may push me off the fence for good. Maybe I'll become an Argonauts fan instead.


If you guys get RG3, then you're probably gonna want to hang onto those tickets. That being said, I hope RG3 goes to either the Colts or the Skins further Snyder it up and they draft someone else. I'd hate to have to hate him.
 
2012-03-10 12:58:55 AM  
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2012-03-10 12:59:16 AM  
I have exactly zero faith that even if RF3 is ubertalented that the staff will have an competence in properly developing him. There's a reason talent comes to DC to die.
 
2012-03-10 01:25:57 AM  
Well, let's assume the best case scenario here...RGIII is the next Peyton Manning. Not in terms of skill sets, obviously, but in terms of success right out of the gates & over the next 13 years. Even as improbable as that is, would that be worth three first round picks and a second rounder?

Considering Washington's recent draft performance, probably yeah. For a team that does an average (or better) job of scouting, drafting, and then developing young players, I'd say it's not. Which is why this trade is perhaps the stupidest deal in recent NFL history, at least from the Redskins' side of it (great deal for St. Louis, who still need tons of pieces to be competitive).

Kudos to Cleveland for (I assume) not being willing to part with that much.
 
2012-03-10 01:55:54 AM  
As a Cowboys fan I support Dan Snyder in his endeavors.

Go get 'em!
 
2012-03-10 03:35:09 AM  
Think about what the Colts and Redskins are giving up in order to draft the two quarterbacks at the top of this draft.

You know what would be funny? If Russell Wilson turns out to be the next Drew Brees, and Luck/Griffin turn out to be the next Jeff George/Akili Smith, respectively.
 
2012-03-10 04:42:41 AM  
They just got Herschel'd
 
2012-03-10 04:50:42 AM  
I believe Snyder may have just out Millened Millen. Having one highly talented player doesn't mean jack shiat if you can't put enough good-to-decent players around him.

/Lions fan
//Fark Millen
///SlashiesfarkMillenintheeye
 
2012-03-10 04:53:47 AM  
Here's a hilarious scenario, the Redskins draft RGIII who then promptly refuses to sign let alone play for them. As long as Snyder is in charge there is exactly zero chance of the Redskins being a good team. I was reading a thing where it said this move is contrary to what Shanahan had been doing, trying to build with draft picks. But he only did that because Snyder let him. Now Snyder just has to has to have RGIII and at any price, so whatever Shanahan wants is right out the window. And of course Snyder would never for a second consider that someone might not want to play for a team owned by his self-absorbed ass.
 
2012-03-10 04:56:10 AM  
There are a few ways to look at this. That is a farkload to spend on a player, but a QB with that much hype behind him will sell a lot of tickets and jerseys and create a buzz around the franchise at least until the season starts (longer if he is awesome).

I also heard they have something like 40 million in cap space, so having an up and coming super hyped QB will help get free agent WRs to want to sign with the Redskins.

If they spend that cap space on one big time WR and a bunch of decent role players, they could see a huge turnaround from last year.
 
2012-03-10 04:57:13 AM  
Also between this and the Colts being dismantled, I'm hoping the insanity keeps up so the draft ends up being very entertaining. Also after Luck and RGIII, the only two QBs projected to go in the first round, who comes next? I can't think of the last time you couldn't say who the at least third if not fourth and even fifth QBs to go would be.
 
2012-03-10 04:57:57 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Here's a hilarious scenario, the Redskins draft RGIII who then promptly refuses to sign let alone play for them. As long as Snyder is in charge there is exactly zero chance of the Redskins being a good team. I was reading a thing where it said this move is contrary to what Shanahan had been doing, trying to build with draft picks. But he only did that because Snyder let him. Now Snyder just has to has to have RGIII and at any price, so whatever Shanahan wants is right out the window. And of course Snyder would never for a second consider that someone might not want to play for a team owned by his self-absorbed ass.


Everything I've read and heard about RGIII says he is a humble dude that is super confident in his abilities and wants to play for anyone. He wants to be the 1st overall pick (and the Colts are infinitely more farked right now than the Redskins are). He will sign, and with the rookie wage scale he will be cheap as shiat and won't have any reason to hold out for more money.
 
2012-03-10 04:59:11 AM  

Epiphany: If they spend that cap space on one big time WR and a bunch of decent role players, they could see a huge turnaround from last year.


You forget, Snyder can't keep his grubby hands off the team. And players know this, coaches know this. The Redskins won't turn around until the owner isn't Snyder.
 
2012-03-10 05:01:11 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Epiphany: If they spend that cap space on one big time WR and a bunch of decent role players, they could see a huge turnaround from last year.

You forget, Snyder can't keep his grubby hands off the team. And players know this, coaches know this. The Redskins won't turn around until the owner isn't Snyder.


The players know that there is now a super star playing at QB, and that Shanahan is a respected HC. They will want to play there.

Also if you pay a bunch of decent role players 1 or 2 mill more than they would get elsewhere, they will play there.
 
2012-03-10 05:13:50 AM  

Epiphany: he is a humble dude that is super confident in his abilities


That is true, however anyone who knows anything will tell him that Snyder is not exactly going to help him out any. Snyder fired a coach before the end of the season when the Redskins had a winning record at that point. He's done nothing in the time he's owned the Redskins to show any ability to actually get people who know what they're doing in place and let them do their jobs. The idea until about 12 hours ago had been the Redskins would build up with draft picks. So they go trade two picks for this draft and their first round picks for next year and the year after. Brilliant way to build up the team with draft picks. And there was no real chance the Rams were going to take RGIII, next up is the Vikings. I mean sure someone else could trade with the Rams for the second pick to get RGIII if the Skins made a trade with the Vikings but the odds of that are incredibly small. Never mind that neither the Rams nor the Vikings were seen as having any reason to draft RGIII, so unless the Vikings weren't interested in free draft picks, which is not bloody likely, then why go for the Rams?
 
2012-03-10 05:18:41 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Epiphany: he is a humble dude that is super confident in his abilities

That is true, however anyone who knows anything will tell him that Snyder is not exactly going to help him out any. Snyder fired a coach before the end of the season when the Redskins had a winning record at that point. He's done nothing in the time he's owned the Redskins to show any ability to actually get people who know what they're doing in place and let them do their jobs. The idea until about 12 hours ago had been the Redskins would build up with draft picks. So they go trade two picks for this draft and their first round picks for next year and the year after. Brilliant way to build up the team with draft picks. And there was no real chance the Rams were going to take RGIII, next up is the Vikings. I mean sure someone else could trade with the Rams for the second pick to get RGIII if the Skins made a trade with the Vikings but the odds of that are incredibly small. Never mind that neither the Rams nor the Vikings were seen as having any reason to draft RGIII, so unless the Vikings weren't interested in free draft picks, which is not bloody likely, then why go for the Rams?


It seems to me that you don't really know whats going on here, and just for some reason hate Snyder. The Rams had multiple trade partners for the 2nd overall pick, from teams wanting to draft RGIII. The Browns even tried to make a harder push for the pick yesterday but the Rams had already made the deal with the Redskins.

So the Rams trade the pick to someone else, and Peyton won't sign there, they either try to trade down and hope to get a mediocre QB in the first round of this years draft, or are farked. It was their best option to get a franchise QB.

So yeah, everything you are saying is ridiculous. It's a lot to trade for an unproven player, sure, but to even pretend for a second that RGIII wouldn't sign with the Redskins, or that free agents won't sign with the Redskins if they pay them enough money, is ridiculous. Maybe not the top few guys, but with 40 mill in cap space they can sign a lot of decent free agents to fill holes on the roster, and one or two big named ones.

So in conclusion, thats a shiatload to trade for a player, if they didn't do it they would have to wait another year to get a franchise QB, they had competition for the pick which is why it cost so much, and they have plenty of cap space to fill in holes on their team.
 
2012-03-10 05:25:07 AM  

Epiphany: and that Shanahan is a respected HC.


He is, but the Redskins went from 8 and 8 the year before he was hired to 6 and 10 and then 5 and 11. I'm not saying it's his fault the record has gotten worse, but I can tell you exactly whose fault it is. There's no reason the Skins couldn't have been a good team this last season, but Snyder has no idea what to do and won't let anyone else actually do something.
 
2012-03-10 05:26:55 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Epiphany: and that Shanahan is a respected HC.

He is, but the Redskins went from 8 and 8 the year before he was hired to 6 and 10 and then 5 and 11. I'm not saying it's his fault the record has gotten worse, but I can tell you exactly whose fault it is. There's no reason the Skins couldn't have been a good team this last season, but Snyder has no idea what to do and won't let anyone else actually do something.


The fastest way to turn around a team? Get a bunch of decent role players and a super star QB. They have a good shot at both of those things now.
 
2012-03-10 05:31:11 AM  
Worse trade:

A) Giving up 4 draft picks for Julio Jones

B) Giving up 3 draft picks for RG3

Only time will tell.

/option C is six draft picks and 5 players for Herschel Walker
//the answer is always C
///sigh
 
2012-03-10 05:38:56 AM  
What can possibly go wrong?

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2012-03-10 05:42:12 AM  
For that price, RG3 better be JC2.
 
2012-03-10 05:46:28 AM  

Epiphany: So the Rams trade the pick to someone else, and Peyton won't sign there, they either try to trade down and hope to get a mediocre QB in the first round of this years draft, or are farked. It was their best option to get a franchise QB.


The Rams are sticking with Sam Bradford. So they're not about to draft another QB in the first round. The Vikings have two young QBs on their roster now and they just signed one a bit ago to a futures contract, so no way they're about to draft another one. Which leaves RGIII going to the Browns. Why the Browns would want to trade with the Rams when there's zero chance the Rams would take RGIII I have no idea, except that the Browns ownership is right at the bottom of the barrel for having a clue. No one anywhere has thought either the Rams or Vikings would take RGIII, so if you're the Browns, you're sitting pretty. And the Browns are even in less of a position to be trading away draft picks than the Skins are.
 
2012-03-10 05:52:12 AM  

Serious Black: For that price, RG3 better be JC2.


Juan Cole II? What the devil does a University of Michigan professor of Middle Eastern history have to do with football?
 
2012-03-10 06:06:46 AM  

Serious Black: For that price, RG3 better be JC2.


You rang?

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2012-03-10 06:20:02 AM  
Snyder is worse than Jerry Jones but is he approaching Al Davis territory? The later years of course, you can't forget that he made the Raiders champions back in the day and was a visionary in football. You also can't forget that Jones turned the Cowboys into a dynasty in the 90s, all while pissing on Tom Landry so fark him.
 
2012-03-10 06:28:00 AM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Serious Black: For that price, RG3 better be JC2.

You rang?

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Oh, you're GOOD.
 
2012-03-10 06:30:42 AM  
Been a 'skins fan since 1959; remember well the first pick take of Norm Snead and his trade to the Eagles for Sonny. My take: all snipes at Snyder are probably valid but I think he's not in charge of the picking of players any more. The draft picks are really not all that big a deal - remember, with free agency you can pick up all sorts of good players now without any draft at all. It would appear that RGIII has all the makings of a super star and only time will tell. You have to take a chance on greatness from time to time. That said, you build a great team by starting with the offensive line. Finally, remember this: if our kicker makes 5 easy to make field goals (granted, for the kickers benefit, not all of the 5 misses were his fault) we finish in first place in the east. We beat the SB champ Giants twice. So, a strong argument could be made that we aren't that bad. Of course, we also won several games by a nose so we could have just lost them all and gotten the QB we want/need and kept all those draft choices. Should have thrown the whole season? At the very least, however, the INTEREST level in this team for its fans next year will be off the charts. A GREAT PR move anyway. And for those of us who watch a whole lot of college and pro football, it's patently obvious this kid is a great talent both physically and mentally.
 
2012-03-10 06:44:34 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Epiphany: So the Rams trade the pick to someone else, and Peyton won't sign there, they either try to trade down and hope to get a mediocre QB in the first round of this years draft, or are farked. It was their best option to get a franchise QB.

The Rams are sticking with Sam Bradford. So they're not about to draft another QB in the first round. The Vikings have two young QBs on their roster now and they just signed one a bit ago to a futures contract, so no way they're about to draft another one. Which leaves RGIII going to the Browns. Why the Browns would want to trade with the Rams when there's zero chance the Rams would take RGIII I have no idea, except that the Browns ownership is right at the bottom of the barrel for having a clue. No one anywhere has thought either the Rams or Vikings would take RGIII, so if you're the Browns, you're sitting pretty. And the Browns are even in less of a position to be trading away draft picks than the Skins are.


Yet again, you have ZERO idea what you are talking about. The Rams would not have picked RGIII which is WHY they were trading away the pick. The Browns, Redskins, Dolphins, etc all wanted to trade up to get that pick. That's why the price was so high. You seriously should get a clue about what you are talking about before typing walls of text over and over again.

"Washington was joined in the pursuit for the pick by Cleveland (who owns the fourth overall pick in the draft) and Miami (picking eighth overall) -- and two teams beyond the 10th overall pick. Those two teams couldn't be identified late Friday night, but with the fervent interest Philadelphia showed in both Andrew Luck and Griffin, the two top quarterbacks in this draft, it wouldn't be surprising if Philadelphia wanted to move up to take either a quarterback or another top prospect."

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-10 07:13:30 AM  
www.nypost.com

I accidentally the whole draft.
 
2012-03-10 07:24:09 AM  
Dear Washington:
How about a strangers on a MARC train scenario: Snyder for Angelos.
Sincerely
Baltimore
 
2012-03-10 07:30:27 AM  
The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins.

If the Redskins didn't do this, then the Cleveland Browns would have done it. Which speaks volumes about just how smooth a move it was.
 
2012-03-10 07:33:52 AM  

Harv72b: Not in terms of skill sets, obviously, but in terms of success right out of the gates


See that's the thing though. Peyton was 32-32 his first four years in Indy. Sure, two of those years were 13-3 and 10-6, and they made the playoffs both years, but they also suffered first round exits.

Which, if RG3 manages to duplicate, will be amazing, but if you're the Redskins is that a good ROI considering what you're paying here? Two first round playoff exits in the next four years? That's why this trade makes no sense. Giving up the farm system (so to speak) to nab a veteran QB like a Brees or a Rodgers to try and set yourself up for a SuperBowl this year (and maybe another one down the road) is defensible. Doing it to draft a rookie QB who has never read an NFL defense in his life is just plain stupid.

Yes, if you have a need at QB you draft a rookie, you pay him a lot of money and you hope he can turn into a star. But you don't double down on that risk by also giving up your first round pick for the next two years to boot.

On the other hand, this is farking amazing for the Rams. If Bradford can get back to form and turn out to be the real deal, this has "Set ourselves up for multiple SuperBowls" potential if they draft well.

- They might still be able to score Blackmon this year, depending on if he gets past the Brows and Bucs, which seems like at least a possibility. At worst they take one of the top flight o-linemen prospects to help protect Bradford.
- They have the #33 and #39 overall now this year, incredibly valuable picks that allow them to add talent to areas of need.
- Four first round picks over the next two years. If RG3 is not superstar good, and both the Redskins and Rams are even semi-bad to mediocre next year, it's not inconceivable that the Rams could have two to Top 10 picks next year. Hell, even if Bradford falls off a cliff next year, they might be setup to score Matt Barkley and still have a first rounder to spare.

I cannot believe the Redskins pulled the trigger on this. They are going to continue to be a laughingstock for the next 20 years because of this trade, it will haunt them. Can you imagine how this will look of RG3 turns out to be a bust? Or hell if he even just ends up becoming Ryan Fitzpatrick level good?
 
2012-03-10 07:43:14 AM  
If we were talking about any other team I'd be screaming "are you freakin' crazy?". But this is my Redskins, so I reconcile myself with the knowledge that they weren't going to do anything useful with those picks anyway.

/I once asked a very smart friend of mine how the 'skins keep making money and selling tickets. He replied, succinctly, "K Street".
 
2012-03-10 07:45:02 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Snyder fired a coach before the end of the season when the Redskins had a winning record at that point.


To be fair, it was Norv Turner.

This latest move was overdue though. Snyder hasn't done anything retarded since signing McNabb.
 
2012-03-10 07:57:40 AM  
My first thought was that without decent receivers, RG will be a bust.

But then I remembered the wisdom of Snyder's plan. With that offensive line, it really won't matter how bad the receivers are.
 
2012-03-10 07:59:17 AM  
I think David Aldridge said it well.

"Again: if Skins think RGIII is going to be a superstar, go get him. If Shanny is as good developing QBs as he says, it's a no-brainer."

Still, if RG3 is going to be as good as forecasted, I'm going to hate having him in the same division as my Eagles.
 
2012-03-10 08:00:08 AM  
Ugh. What a move. Why not go out and get Flynn and use draft picks to shore up a few holes and by the 2014 season you could. actually field an NFL caliber team.

Anyway, Baltimore is taking applications for new fans.
 
2012-03-10 08:05:35 AM  
As a Browns fan I actually was starting to buy into the RG3 hype, but no way he is worth three number ones and a two. Really glad the Browns didn't give that up for him.

Also, the reports that the Browns were also offering three ones and a two are pretty obviously BS by someone covering their ass. Why would St. Louis turn down a better offer to deal with Washington? That makes no sense.
 
2012-03-10 08:07:33 AM  

Di Atribe: Warthog: I've been on the fence about renewing my Redskins season tickets. This may push me off the fence for good. Maybe I'll become an Argonauts fan instead.

If you guys get RG3, then you're probably gonna want to hang onto those tickets. That being said, I hope RG3 goes to either the Colts or the Skins further Snyder it up and they draft someone else. I'd hate to have to hate him.


If there was any chance that the Colts could live with Griffin, they would have traded the first pick for the Skins next 10 first rounders and the Capitol building.
 
2012-03-10 08:07:55 AM  
I lol'd.

/go cardinals
//get manning
 
2012-03-10 08:15:25 AM  
Now watch Indy draft RGIII, for the lulz. Or with the Skins history, on Wednesday after the trade is finalized watch RGIII get injured in a tragic Zamboni accident. Or hold out on signing.
 
2012-03-10 08:28:22 AM  

jayhawk88: Can you imagine how this will look of RG3 turns out to be a bust? Or hell if he even just ends up becoming Ryan Fitzpatrick level good?


Let's be honest here...realistically, the best case scenario is that RGIII has a season like Cam Newton did last year. Newton has at least as much upside at this point as Griffin, so you ask yourself: would you be willing to trade away 2 first round draft picks, a second rounder, and trade down in the first round of a third season, to acquire Cam Newton?

Hell, would you be willing to trade that much of your future away for any player? Which of course begs the question of why the Redskins (and so many other teams in the past) are willing to trade so much away for a relative unknown? I cannot begin to fathom the thinking involved, unless of course it really is as simple as Snider realizing they weren't going to get Manning and panicking. Or maybe he believes the Mayans.

Other side of this is that St. Louis is now stacked for the next 3 drafts. They didn't trade down that far in the first round this year, and with two early 2nd rounders they can trade up to the bottom of the first as well...then, given the way teams historically finish with a rookie QB under center, you're probably looking at two top 10 picks next year, then two more first rounders in 2014. If I were an owner/GM of another team, I'd be monumentally pissed that Washington did that. Especially a team like Seattle who was finally starting to show some potential in the NFC West.
 
2012-03-10 08:38:22 AM  

SilentStrider: If Shanny is as good developing QBs as he says, it's a no-brainer."


Too bad he isn't. Other than the 12-year veteran he inherited in 1995 and won his only titles with, there aren't any quarterbacks I can think of that got better under him, and the only reason Elway got better is because he (a) aged while Shanahan was there, and (b) got surrounded by talent that Shanahan had nothing to do with procuring or coaching up.

Since Elway, counting fill-ins, Shanahan's teams have had 10 quarterbacks in 10 years, including such luminaries as Griese, Frerotte, Beuerlien, Plummer, Cutler, Grossman and Donovan McNabb. He has been in the playoffs four times and had exactly one win, which was much more courtesy of the defense messing up Brady repeatedly than anything Plummer did.
 
2012-03-10 08:39:08 AM  
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The line's getting better, they have the cap space to pursue a WR (VJax?) and maybe some depth at guard...

Could be good for the 'Skins.

I'd rather have the picks though. Hope for the best, and maybe draft Barkley in 2013. But, I can get behind an RGIII-led Redskins team.
 
2012-03-10 08:40:55 AM  
Flash forward to NFL draft day: "In a surprise move, the Washington Redskins used the second pick in the 2012 draft to select Mo Isom from the LSU Tigers. Daniel Snyder said 'I know all the haters out there will question this move but Mo will be splitting uprights in the NFL for years to come and she'll look right purty as the Redskins Homecoming Queen.'"
 
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