GhostFish: The Shatner Incident: No. No it's not. If you really think that poormouthing, overgrown rich kid has a snowball's chance in hell of beating Obama, you shouldn't have eaten so many paint chips as a kid.

I'm actually curious what the results would be if you took a sampling of "conservatives" and screened them for lead. Exposure can result in aggressive behavior and inattention, and "conservatives" seem to be anything but lacking when it comes to those things.

The south (GA, SC, TN, AL, MS, LA, AK, NC, WV) wouldn't hold up well to Romney. They farking hate Mormons.

NOT AK. It was supposed to be AR. My bad. Preview is your friend.

It's clear my Republican party needs a new candidate. Look no further than our last candidate!



After all, why have a cocksucker as First Lady when you can have a coont.

spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp?

Perhaps it's your perception that has changed, and not so much the Politics tab in general.

spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp? I'm not saying that anyone is wrong in this case, I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected, but at least this time he'll be ineffective against a Republican controlled Congress. Really though, I remember the days when the Fark Politics tab was was either Right, Far Right, or nothing, now it seems like the lefty loons are the ones running this place, and what few conservative voices that are left gets shouted down with silly memes or the equivalent of "la la la la I can't hear you".

The fewer supporters of the Republican party--and there are fewer of them everyday--the more critics of the Republican party--and there are more of them everyday.

You can hold on to your heroes but lots of us fellow Republicans have dumped this party and decided a guy with a decent heart and a clear mind is someone to vote for regardless of party affiliation. And that shiatting on religious bigots is fun.

spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp? I'm not saying that anyone is wrong in this case, I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected, but at least this time he'll be ineffective against a Republican controlled Congress. Really though, I remember the days when the Fark Politics tab was was either Right, Far Right, or nothing, now it seems like the lefty loons are the ones running this place, and what few conservative voices that are left gets shouted down with silly memes or the equivalent of "la la la la I can't hear you".

What's derpy about this? It's a Rasmussen poll saying Obama is leading. Seeing as this is coming from Rasmussen, i'd say it's pretty interesting.

Or are you just unhappy that since it's not an attack piece on liberals, it's derp?

AkaDad: 1. Polls this early need to be taken with a grain of salt.

2. Rasmussen polls have a clear Liberal bias.

Statisticals, like slashies, come in threes and therefore your argument is invalid.

Dimensio: I suspect that this poll was conducted prior to Breitbart's website releasing the recording of Mr. Obama speaking at Harvard University. I anticipate a significant reduction in support for Mr. Obama to be reflected in surveys conducted after the release of that incriminating video.

I'm new here. You're kidding, right?

culebra: spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp?

Perhaps it's your perception that has changed, and not so much the Politics tab in general.

nope, the analysis done about this site and others shows that spman is correct.

theoretically that is why some people have been paid to post here. theoretically speaking of course.

spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp? I'm not saying that anyone is wrong in this case, I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected, but at least this time he'll be ineffective against a Republican controlled Congress. Really though, I remember the days when the Fark Politics tab was was either Right, Far Right, or nothing, now it seems like the lefty loons are the ones running this place, and what few conservative voices that are left gets shouted down with silly memes or the equivalent of "la la la la I can't hear you".

I've been here since 2007 and lurking since 2005ish, and, as far as I can tell, it really hasn't shifted politically all that much since then. Maybe I'm just imaging things. As for the getting shouted down part; what did you expect? Arguing on the internet isn't exactly a conglomeration of the best and brightest discussing the finer details of life, it's a bunch of people laughing at pictures of animals while arguing about the imminent collapse of civilization with the occasional troll thrown in for good measure.

spman: culebra: spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp?

Perhaps it's your perception that has changed, and not so much the Politics tab in general.

Even in his book, Drew admitted at least at the time that Fark seemed to skew center-right, but that no longer seems to be the case.

It's all relative. The Right went apeshiat and took the definition of what the Right is to the extreme. But from their perspective, everyone else moved to the Left.

moralpanic: erik-k: Darth_Lukecash: Obama still can lose this election.

Derp has won before.

The only thing I think he has to be concerned about is that his actions have left his energetic young supporters from 2008 feeling somewhere between disillusioned and outright insulted. They were what brought out the grassroots GOTV effort then, and without them he's going to be lacking that at least in part.


What is it specifically that they're disillusioned or insulted with?

He's pulled out of Iraq. Brought the fight directly to OBL and killed him. Killed Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Got Health Care Reform. Stopped the Justice Department from acting on Defense of Marriage. Ramped up investment in green energy. Reinstated funding to stem cells research. Putting the EPA to work again. etc etc. Sure, there are some things he's failed, but it's from an obstructionist congress. He tried to close Gitmo. Tried to pass the Dream Act. There's only so much he could do with a congress that required a super majority in EVERY SINGLE THING, and let's not forget he's had to deal with a near economic collapse, wars, and trying to mend foreign political relationships.

His stance regarding continuing and even intensifying the drug war instead of stopping it in some cases. While I agree, I have no personal stake in the matter so it's rather 'meh' to me. It's true that he knowingly and willingly let himself be a Tabula Rasa for a lot of young voters to draw whatever they wanted from, and these were shocked to find out that he wasn't in fact what they'd imagined - But I'm not talking about them.

I and many others find his positions regarding surveillance and digital rights to be... disturbing, to say the very least. The GWB administration for all its failings never had the balls to go before the Supreme Court and claim they could legally put a GPS tracker on the Justices' cars for any reason or no reason, indefinitely, if ever the desire should strike them. Wrong or not, the neocons at least felt the need (even if only after the fact) to somehow justify what they did under the law. Where the Internet or technology are concerned, Obama seems to think he can just do whatever he wants, to hell with precedent or sanity: Witness his actions at the behest of the copyright gestapo which are threatening to create a mass exodus of hosting and data storage from the US. Not only has he failed to attempt to dismantle the massive illegal surveillance apparatus created by Bush, he actively supports it by abusing the "state secrets" claim more than ever before.

I'm a grad student and I'm at the trailing edge of those who remember the pre-Internet times - very few of this year's entering class have ever connected via dial-up, and those of us "in the know" take threats to the proper functioning of the Internet rather seriously when it comes time to vote. Young, hip, and "in the know" technologically correlated very strongly with active support for Obama in 2008 - and as president it's hard not to feel that he's all but openly declared war on us. So there you have it, agree or not. On tech-oriented places, the general feeling is not enthusiasm for Obama at all - it's a split between those who refuse to support him on principle, and those who are pragmatically terrified of the thought of how much worse a Republican would be.

spman: no longer seems to be the case

Which has everything to do with perception. I honestly haven't noticed much of a difference over the years except to the extent that there are now more players and more posts.

That doesn't mean it hasn't changed, but usually when you believe that a community is no longer the same, it's more reasonable to assume that it's your perception that has changed rather than everyone else's behavior.

In any case, assuming that things have gradually become skewed to the left, it could have something to do with the left's apparent dominance in online political discourse and the corresponding increase in left wing sites, which perhaps leads to a greater influx of liberal opinion.

spman: culebra: spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp?

Perhaps it's your perception that has changed, and not so much the Politics tab in general.

Even in his book, Drew admitted at least at the time that Fark seemed to skew center-right, but that no longer seems to be the case.

It is actually deafening in the Fark echo chamber of today.

I suppose, though, ideological isolation is inevitable on the internet. With the exceptions of trolls or masochists, there are not many that like to be in the minority opposition being part of a community that supports one's own views is so much more comforting.

The beautiful thing is that the bar has shifted so much that the major swing states are now OH, FL, VA, NC. Obama can actually lose all 4 of these states and still have a very clear path to election - all the Kerry states + IA, NV, NM, CO would do the trick. If the Republican loses even one of OH, FL, VA, NC, he will have to win at least 2 of IA, NV, NM, CO or a Kerry state.

In other words, the fact that this poll even exists is good for Obama. Not to mention that he is winning it.

The only difference between now and 2007 is that there are fewer right wingers and the ones that remain....let's just say the quality of argument has dropped significantly. Fark still links regularly to conservative derp factories that would be laughed out of any other reasonable discussion but perhaps that's mostly for the lulz.

Actual conservatives have stopped trying to defend the indefensible.

spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp? I'm not saying that anyone is wrong in this case, I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected, but at least this time he'll be ineffective against a Republican controlled Congress. Really though, I remember the days when the Fark Politics tab was was either Right, Far Right, or nothing, now it seems like the lefty loons are the ones running this place, and what few conservative voices that are left gets shouted down with silly memes or the equivalent of "la la la la I can't hear you".

Here, this should help:

Lenny_da_Hog: spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp? I'm not saying that anyone is wrong in this case, I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected, but at least this time he'll be ineffective against a Republican controlled Congress. Really though, I remember the days when the Fark Politics tab was was either Right, Far Right, or nothing, now it seems like the lefty loons are the ones running this place, and what few conservative voices that are left gets shouted down with silly memes or the equivalent of "la la la la I can't hear you".

It happened with The Great Purge, when all who trolled were smitten.

Smited?

/smitten's funnier!

When Virginia and North Carolina are considered swing states by Rasmussen, the GOP is officially farked.

But hey, have fun carrying Wyoming and Idaho!

spman: moralpanic: spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp? I'm not saying that anyone is wrong in this case, I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected, but at least this time he'll be ineffective against a Republican controlled Congress. Really though, I remember the days when the Fark Politics tab was was either Right, Far Right, or nothing, now it seems like the lefty loons are the ones running this place, and what few conservative voices that are left gets shouted down with silly memes or the equivalent of "la la la la I can't hear you".

What's derpy about this? It's a Rasmussen poll saying Obama is leading. Seeing as this is coming from Rasmussen, i'd say it's pretty interesting.

Or are you just unhappy that since it's not an attack piece on liberals, it's derp?

I'm not speaking on this issue specifically, I'm just saying that I've noticed that the number of greenlit articles from Media Matters, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, amongst others seems to overwhelm just about everything else on the tab, but maybe I just perceive it that way. I'm just saying there's two sides to every issue, and this used to be a place to get insight on both ends of the spectrum, these days this place seems to resemble 4Chan more than the Fark I remember.

It seems like all of the message board sites are starting to rip off 4chan, for better or for worse (most likely worse). Now that you mention it, I would like to alter my first statement a bit. While the comments section of Fark hasn't really changed, the links seemed to have moved leftward. There used to be a lot more NewsMax and Little Green Footballs than there is now and more Huffington Post. Those two sites imploding would explain why they don't show up anymore, but you would expect some sort of right wing replacement. Also, it really doesn't explain the plethora of Huffington Post links in the last year or two. A site like partnership, perhaps?

That_Dude: spman: moralpanic: spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp? I'm not saying that anyone is wrong in this case, I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected, but at least this time he'll be ineffective against a Republican controlled Congress. Really though, I remember the days when the Fark Politics tab was was either Right, Far Right, or nothing, now it seems like the lefty loons are the ones running this place, and what few conservative voices that are left gets shouted down with silly memes or the equivalent of "la la la la I can't hear you".

What's derpy about this? It's a Rasmussen poll saying Obama is leading. Seeing as this is coming from Rasmussen, i'd say it's pretty interesting.

Or are you just unhappy that since it's not an attack piece on liberals, it's derp?

I'm not speaking on this issue specifically, I'm just saying that I've noticed that the number of greenlit articles from Media Matters, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, amongst others seems to overwhelm just about everything else on the tab, but maybe I just perceive it that way. I'm just saying there's two sides to every issue, and this used to be a place to get insight on both ends of the spectrum, these days this place seems to resemble 4Chan more than the Fark I remember.

It seems like all of the message board sites are starting to rip off 4chan, for better or for worse (most likely worse). Now that you mention it, I would like to alter my first statement a bit. While the comments section of Fark hasn't really changed, the links seemed to have moved leftward. There used to be a lot more NewsMax and Little Green Footballs than there is now and more Huffington Post. Those two sites imploding would explain why they don't show up anymore, but you would expect some sort of right wing replacement. Also, it really doesn't explain the plethora of Huffington Post links in the last year or two. A site like partnership, perhaps?

World Net Daily is certainly conservative on the face but with further investigation that site sits smack dab in the middle of unhinged insanity.

Let's see... campaign of lies and deceit about a Republican "war on women", campaign of lies and deceit about the economy that Obama knows he can count on most of the media not to call him on, lots of Republicans moping around because the candidate they wanted isn't in the lead...

Right, this is totally because Obama is doing a great job.

That_Dude: spman: moralpanic: spman: When did the Politics tab become so overrun with liberal derp? I'm not saying that anyone is wrong in this case, I'm pretty sure Obama will be re-elected, but at least this time he'll be ineffective against a Republican controlled Congress. Really though, I remember the days when the Fark Politics tab was was either Right, Far Right, or nothing, now it seems like the lefty loons are the ones running this place, and what few conservative voices that are left gets shouted down with silly memes or the equivalent of "la la la la I can't hear you".

What's derpy about this? It's a Rasmussen poll saying Obama is leading. Seeing as this is coming from Rasmussen, i'd say it's pretty interesting.

Or are you just unhappy that since it's not an attack piece on liberals, it's derp?

I'm not speaking on this issue specifically, I'm just saying that I've noticed that the number of greenlit articles from Media Matters, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, amongst others seems to overwhelm just about everything else on the tab, but maybe I just perceive it that way. I'm just saying there's two sides to every issue, and this used to be a place to get insight on both ends of the spectrum, these days this place seems to resemble 4Chan more than the Fark I remember.

It seems like all of the message board sites are starting to rip off 4chan, for better or for worse (most likely worse). Now that you mention it, I would like to alter my first statement a bit. While the comments section of Fark hasn't really changed, the links seemed to have moved leftward. There used to be a lot more NewsMax and Little Green Footballs than there is now and more Huffington Post. Those two sites imploding would explain why they don't show up anymore, but you would expect some sort of right wing replacement. Also, it really doesn't explain the plethora of Huffington Post links in the last year or two. A site like partnership, perhaps?

Wait, are you serious? Have you not seen all the utter tripe from sites like Breitbart, NRO, and WND that gets greenlit around here?

Marysue: Dimensio: I suspect that this poll was conducted prior to Breitbart's website releasing the recording of Mr. Obama speaking at Harvard University. I anticipate a significant reduction in support for Mr. Obama to be reflected in surveys conducted after the release of that incriminating video.

I'm new here. You're kidding, right?

The jokes are generally in complete sentences. The real derp posts:

randomly Capitalize

End sentences with a weird number of dots.....


And have two hard returns so they are easier to spot while scrolling.

/welcome to Fark

spman: Of course, it doesn't help reasonable discussion when EVERY TIME an argument opposing the groupthink gets made, it immediately gets followed with six memes about needing a hug or being angry, nine ad-hominem attacks about the poster, their sources, or their argument, and fourteen posts instantly dismissing said poster as being a troll, but what more can you really expect on the internet.

Perhaps if you posted one single solitary post in which you weren't insulting and/or complaining about everybody else on the site, you could have an intelligent conversation here. I won't hold my breath.

randomjsa: Let's see... campaign of lies and deceit about a Republican "war on women", campaign of lies and deceit about the economy that Obama knows he can count on most of the media not to call him on, lots of Republicans moping around because the candidate they wanted isn't in the lead...

Right, this is totally because Obama is doing a great job.

Shut up and run for office then.

TheShavingofOccam123: World Net Daily is certainly conservative on the face but with further investigation that site sits smack dab in the middle of unhinged insanity.

HeartBurnKid: Wait, are you serious? Have you not seen all the utter tripe from sites like Breitbart, NRO, and WND that gets greenlit around here?

It seems like WND and Breitbart only get linked so we can ridicule them (and for good reason), but somehow NRO slipped my mind.

HeartBurnKid: spman: Of course, it doesn't help reasonable discussion when EVERY TIME an argument opposing the groupthink gets made, it immediately gets followed with six memes about needing a hug or being angry, nine ad-hominem attacks about the poster, their sources, or their argument, and fourteen posts instantly dismissing said poster as being a troll, but what more can you really expect on the internet.

Perhaps if you posted one single solitary post in which you weren't insulting and/or complaining about everybody else on the site, you could have an intelligent conversation here. I won't hold my breath.

spman's posts in this thread seem to be less condescending than yours in this thread, so far.

Before the Republican race began everyone was saying Obama was a one-term president. Then the GOP candidates opened their mouths...

spman: HeartBurnKid: spman: Of course, it doesn't help reasonable discussion when EVERY TIME an argument opposing the groupthink gets made, it immediately gets followed with six memes about needing a hug or being angry, nine ad-hominem attacks about the poster, their sources, or their argument, and fourteen posts instantly dismissing said poster as being a troll, but what more can you really expect on the internet.

Perhaps if you posted one single solitary post in which you weren't insulting and/or complaining about everybody else on the site, you could have an intelligent conversation here. I won't hold my breath.

I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about everyone period. I see it all the time in every thread. Maybe I or others wouldn't have to resort to insults or complaints if the best responses we can get are "aww, did I make you feel bad here's a tissue" or "2/10 try harder troll". How do you expect someone to respond to that, really?

You could respond to it by stopping the trolling, and instead having a conversation like a normal human being.

I've noticed a couple of things around here:

* The only people who complain about being called trolls are the people who are blatantly trolling
* The only people who complain about ignore lists are the ones who really deserve to be ignored

All I've seen you do around here is boo-hoo about how horrible the stinking liberals infesting the site are. You just whine and cry about how you can't have an intelligent conversation, but you've never tried. If you hate this place and the people who post so much, there's a whole web of other sites where people will be happy to textually fellate you. Go to one of them instead, because I, for one, and I'm sure a lot of other people here, am sick of your shiat.

Delay: The biggest polling differential is Santorum vs Obama at plus 3%. Obviously, the GOP should go Frothy.

If the Republicans really want shot at the White House, they do need to go Frothy. The Stained One is the GOP Obama for this cycle. He brings people in who are passionate. If Frothy were to get the nomination, there are people out there who will work their fingers to the bone to get him elected. And, unlike Romboto, Frothy wouldn't have to pay his workers. They would think they are on a mission from God.

Of course, the worst thing that could happen to the GOP old guard would be for Frothy to beat out the Anointed-bot. And it would be really dumb of the Mormon Pet Abuser to run Frothy as his VP. Some religious kook from the Opus Duh-huh might very well think it a fitting martyrdom to die the service of moving Frothy to the number one slot.

That_Dude: HeartBurnKid: spman: Of course, it doesn't help reasonable discussion when EVERY TIME an argument opposing the groupthink gets made, it immediately gets followed with six memes about needing a hug or being angry, nine ad-hominem attacks about the poster, their sources, or their argument, and fourteen posts instantly dismissing said poster as being a troll, but what more can you really expect on the internet.

Perhaps if you posted one single solitary post in which you weren't insulting and/or complaining about everybody else on the site, you could have an intelligent conversation here. I won't hold my breath.

spman's posts in this thread seem to be less condescending than yours in this thread, so far.

Yeah, well, I've been seeing him crying in every thread for the past week, and I'm sick of seeing it. He's either a masochist or a troll.

Besides, I'm only insulting one person; he insulted everyone on this site.

whatshisname: Before the Republican race began everyone was saying Obama was a one-term president. Then the GOP candidates opened their mouths...

You'd think that since Obama is the worst president in history, it would be a lot easier to find a GOP candidate that doesn't look like a total jackass next to him.

Strange, that.

drkdstryer: That_Dude: TheShavingofOccam123: World Net Daily is certainly conservative on the face but with further investigation that site sits smack dab in the middle of unhinged insanity.

HeartBurnKid: Wait, are you serious? Have you not seen all the utter tripe from sites like Breitbart, NRO, and WND that gets greenlit around here?

It seems like WND and Breitbart only get linked so we can ridicule them (and for good reason), but somehow NRO slipped my mind.

And Breitbart is considered one of the "best", or at least forefront conservative sites on the internet, right?

By who?

antidisestablishmentarianism: Didn't LGF abandon the right wing? I vaguely remember reading something about LGF regretting siding with the religious right or something like that. Brietbart and NRO are way out there, bordering on crazy. Those sites still rail on about sekrit muslins and birf certificates. I'm pretty sure they get greenlit for the lulz.

LGF has had an interesting history. They were actually of a moderate conservative bent until 9/11, at which point they went off the deep end. As the Right Wing has slid further and further to the right, LGF has for some reason made a principled stand and returned to something resembling their original right-moderate bent.