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2012-03-09 04:29:30 PM  
 
2012-03-09 04:30:16 PM  

jackbooty: Meanwhile, over at Toyota... (new window)


Damn. Beat me to it.
 
2012-03-09 04:32:30 PM  
Those must be their only models not on recall.
 
2012-03-09 04:38:08 PM  

jackbooty: Meanwhile, over at Toyota... (new window)


My work here is done.
 
KIA
2012-03-09 04:42:31 PM  
By the way, why can't we have a US made vehicle with good clearance, generator capacity, compressed natural gas bifuel capability and a comfortable interior that is a actually dependable and fun to drive?
 
2012-03-09 04:59:44 PM  
Holy crap. You nailed it with the 4Runner. Those things are practically indestructible. I told my wife that our next car would be a Hybrid after the 4Runner died. That was 9 years ago and it has never been in the shop except routine maint.
 
2012-03-09 05:01:40 PM  

paulleah: Holy crap. You nailed it with the 4Runner. Those things are practically indestructible. I told my wife that our next car would be a Hybrid after the 4Runner died. That was 9 years ago and it has never been in the shop except routine maint.


I absolutely love mine. I have 2007 and I beat the hell out of it and it shows no sign of quitting. I'm not even to 100,000 miles yet, but I think it has a lot of life left in it. Great vehicle and I will gladly get another when this one kicks it.
 
2012-03-09 05:26:14 PM  
The 1993 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 5 speed was the greatest vehicle ever made.
 
2012-03-09 05:36:06 PM  

goaliehere: paulleah: Holy crap. You nailed it with the 4Runner. Those things are practically indestructible. I told my wife that our next car would be a Hybrid after the 4Runner died. That was 9 years ago and it has never been in the shop except routine maint.

I absolutely love mine. I have 2007 and I beat the hell out of it and it shows no sign of quitting. I'm not even to 100,000 miles yet, but I think it has a lot of life left in it. Great vehicle and I will gladly get another when this one kicks it.


Brother -n- law has a 2000 with 180,000 miles. Still looks showroom despite spending most of its life without being garage kept. The only malfunction is the electic antenna motor. He's to cheap to have it replaced because they would have to remove the fender.
 
2012-03-09 05:47:23 PM  

jackbooty: Meanwhile, over at Toyota... (new window)


I think I'd take a brake light issue over Ford's recalls:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/11/us-ford-recall-idUSTRE80A1Q X 20120111

FYI - 3rd Toyota in about 8 years cuz I like to trade often and early and NEVER.HAD.A.PROBLEM. 138,000 miles on one and engine runs as smooth as the day I bought it. Relatives with multiple Fords? Nope. No thank you...thought I do give them credit for some of their new designs; nice looking vehicles.
 
2012-03-09 05:52:00 PM  
I have a 2000 4Runner. It has 165k miles and looks and runs fantastic. I think it'll last until 2025 at this rate. This was the last of that series and they had perfected every process and procedure by then. And this is a car that is surviving Midwestern salted roads and potholes. One of the bestest ever made, with the possible exception of

Link
 
2012-03-09 05:52:18 PM  

destardi: jackbooty: Meanwhile, over at Toyota... (new window)

I think I'd take a brake light issue over Ford's recalls:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/11/us-ford-recall-idUSTRE80A1Q X 20120111

FYI - 3rd Toyota in about 8 years cuz I like to trade often and early and NEVER.HAD.A.PROBLEM. 138,000 miles on one and engine runs as smooth as the day I bought it. Relatives with multiple Fords? Nope. No thank you...thought I do give them credit for some of their new designs; nice looking vehicles.


There's a reason mechanics call it the "Ford Exploder"
 
2012-03-09 05:53:01 PM  
4Runner Thread?!
 
2012-03-09 06:05:37 PM  

KIA: By the way, why can't we have a US made vehicle with good clearance, generator capacity, compressed natural gas bifuel capability and a comfortable interior that is a actually dependable and fun to drive?


Because we don't have the infrastructure to support fueling such a vehicle and using tax money to build that infrastructure (instead of giving even more tax breaks to the super rich and building bombs to kill people that don't look like us) would be socialism.
 
2012-03-09 06:42:49 PM  
Only in a Toyota thread would owners brag about having less than 200,000 miles.
/rolleyes
 
2012-03-09 06:44:05 PM  
Lightweights ! Let me know when you get your Toyatsun to 300k on the original engine, clutch and trans like my Passat TDI S/W. MD to Nola 4x, MD to Boston 2x, and Md to Key West and back. Plus, we make a weekly run to Assateague Island during the summer from home on the Mid- Shore.
 
2012-03-09 07:00:11 PM  
My '98 Camry is still my every day car. Bought it two-years used for $12,000, have never spent a non-routine penny on it. Everything is fine, feels great, over 250,000 miles and counting. Best car ever!
 
2012-03-09 08:12:36 PM  
The bodywork and interior on my 2008 Tacoma feel REALLY cheap, but the frame and drivetrain feel like I'm driving a tank.

// If I could make the steering ratio more aggressive, it would be near perfect.
 
2012-03-09 08:15:51 PM  
Ford announces it will help the recent victims of tornadoes in the Midwest, presumably by giving them reliable vehicles like those from Ford, GM or Chrysler.

FTFY. The 1980's called and it wants its overused stereotype of US cars being bad back.


This is for subtard:
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Also valid:

Toyota: Proudly sponsoring Third World terrorism with the 4Runner.
Toyota: The way you know you're on the wrong side of the war.
Toyota: Now with extra room for more shaped charges & IED's, along with free gun mounts for every 4Runner.
 
2012-03-09 08:40:02 PM  

sethstorm: Ford announces it will help the recent victims of tornadoes in the Midwest, presumably by giving them reliable vehicles like those from Ford, GM or Chrysler.

FTFY. The 1980's called and it wants its overused stereotype of US cars being bad back.


This is for subtard:
[28.media.tumblr.com image 500x299]
Also valid:

Toyota: Proudly sponsoring Third World terrorism with the 4Runner.
Toyota: The way you know you're on the wrong side of the war.
Toyota: Now with extra room for more shaped charges & IED's, along with free gun mounts for every 4Runner.


That's even more reason to buy one: they farking work. Those are some tough conditions for a vehicle to operate in, especially with 10 dudes in the back. They definitely load it past the payload capacity EVERY DAY, and it holds up. Doubt they even give them oil changes.

9/10 terrorists know that the Toyota Hilux is the supreme vehicle. The other 1/10 choose Nissan. Your gm/ford/chrysler blows asscock. The funnier thing is, you know it.
/DURHUR I DON"T KNOW HOW TO OPERATE A BRAKE PEDAL OR TURN MY IGNITION OFF
//The 2010's called and said that anyone who actually buys a new Chrysler probably lives in a trailer park and thinks it is "top of the line/world class".
 
2012-03-09 08:55:53 PM  

sethstorm: This is for subtard:


BTW, It's all in jest. It's fun to play a fanboy on the internet.

/have had my share from the different manufacturers, they all last if you take care of them...it's just the 80s-90s imports can go for a lot more without scheduled maintenance, as they were manufacturing their vehicles to the best specifications to try to secure more of a market share. I'm also preferential to them because they had better styles, and the fit and finish of the interiors was far superior to the domestic offerings. But yeah, really, why would you take a 4.0 v6 Ford OHV engine over a 3.4 v6 DOHC 5VZFE? I also think that once the import manufacturers got the market share they were looking for, they slumped a bit in the quality assurance, and the domestic manufacturers had to pick up the slack (Ford has gotten light-years better, I'd be an ass not to admit that).
//also, I can do burnouts in my truck until I pop the tires (with oversized 31" tires nonetheless), and you can barely get the back wheels to chirp on a ranger (on stock tires).
 
2012-03-09 08:57:35 PM  
4runner Farkers rep'n WHAT WHAT ^_^
 
2012-03-09 09:05:43 PM  

GoSurfing: That's even more reason to buy one: they farking work. Those are some tough conditions for a vehicle to operate in, especially with 10 dudes in the back. They definitely load it past the payload capacity EVERY DAY, and it holds up. Doubt they even give them oil changes.

Then it gets blown up by a US-based weapons platform. Before it even gets to the 100000 mile mark.




9/10 terrorists know that the Toyota Hilux is the supreme vehicle. The other 1/10 choose Nissan.

Since that's all they can afford or can find. Makes for easy hunting when the poky engine can't keep up or the body gets easily crushed.


//The 2010's called and said that anyone who actually buys a new Chrysler probably lives in a trailer park and thinks it is "top of the line/world class".


Or that someone wants something more in tune with the US than Ford, and wants an alternative to GM with a more affordable V6. Let me know when you can get a decently performing V6 for 21-23k USD in a Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Ford, or some other un-American car.

There is no issue with GM, Chrysler and their properly sized/affordably priced behemoths. Making them into bland, golfcart world-cars (a la Ford) is the wrong way around.


/Proudly in ownership of Detroit metal
//No need to tune when the block already has the power
///Haven't seen the transplants make anything I'd want
////since they went all keicar and speed limiter(Hi Nissan)
 
2012-03-09 09:57:51 PM  
'97 ford explorer with 79,000 miles: paid $10,000, had $5,000+ in mechanical issues over the next 2 years, including 2 transmission failures, one at 110,000 miles, the other at 172,000.

'99 toyota 4runner with 99,000 miles: paid $9,000. replaced water pump and timing belt last year for $500. now at 215,000 miles; need to replace fuel filter, which will cost about $12.

math is not always hard.
 
2012-03-09 10:18:01 PM  
Mrs. Phamwaa bought an '87 Nissan SE V6 2WD new. Over the course of twenty years, I replaced the clutch slave cylinder; mechanics replaced the timing belt and the heater core.

Donated it to a charity in '07, with 235K on the clock.

Yeah, they made good stuff back then.

/Don't know much about Toyotas.
 
2012-03-09 10:20:58 PM  
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/01/toyota_sludge_settlement .html

http://www.toyotasteeringrecall.com/

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/24/toyota-extends-tundra-rust-recall- t o-include-2000-03-models-tot/
 
2012-03-09 10:28:59 PM  

GoSurfing: /have had my share from the different manufacturers, they all last if you take care of them...it's just the 80s-90s imports can go for a lot more without scheduled maintenance, as they were manufacturing their vehicles to the best specifications to try to secure more of a market share. I'm also preferential to them because they had better styles, and the fit and finish of the interiors was far superior to the domestic offerings. But yeah, really, why would you take a 4.0 v6 Ford OHV engine over a 3.4 v6 DOHC 5VZFE? I also think that once the import manufacturers got the market share they were looking for, they slumped a bit in the quality assurance, and the domestic manufacturers had to pick up the slack (Ford has gotten light-years better, I'd be an ass not to admit that).


Ford considered the Ranger to be a small truck as opposed to the Tacoma/4Runner being a larger truck platform. That's one part of Toyota's problem.

Now if it didnt take $30k just to get Toyota to put something like that 5VZFE in a medium/non-luxury segment car, things would be a bit better.
 
2012-03-09 10:30:07 PM  
I was certain this one would have appeared by now (The Onion):

Link (new window)
 
2012-03-09 11:00:05 PM  

sethstorm: GoSurfing: That's even more reason to buy one: they farking work. Those are some tough conditions for a vehicle to operate in, especially with 10 dudes in the back. They definitely load it past the payload capacity EVERY DAY, and it holds up. Doubt they even give them oil changes.

Then it gets blown up by a US-based weapons platform. Before it even gets to the 100000 mile mark.




9/10 terrorists know that the Toyota Hilux is the supreme vehicle. The other 1/10 choose Nissan.

Since that's all they can afford or can find. Makes for easy hunting when the poky engine can't keep up or the body gets easily crushed.


//The 2010's called and said that anyone who actually buys a new Chrysler probably lives in a trailer park and thinks it is "top of the line/world class".

Or that someone wants something more in tune with the US than Ford, and wants an alternative to GM with a more affordable V6. Let me know when you can get a decently performing V6 for 21-23k USD in a Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Ford, or some other un-American car.

There is no issue with GM, Chrysler and their properly sized/affordably priced behemoths. Making them into bland, golfcart world-cars (a la Ford) is the wrong way around.


/Proudly in ownership of Detroit metal
//No need to tune when the block already has the power
///Haven't seen the transplants make anything I'd want
////since they went all keicar and speed limiter(Hi Nissan)


Enjoy $5 gas with your penis replacement 340 HP V6 for a 3400-3800lb car (here's a hint, 150HP and 130lb/ft is enough to take my 3400lb car from 60-80 in a few seconds if I downshift, a larger engine is just throwing dollar bills out the tailpipe). Though due to higher compression the replacement will probably be more like 180HP with better economy (Mazda CX5 AWD or Ford Fusion AWD with ecoboost)
 
2012-03-10 12:15:31 AM  

robodog: Enjoy $5 gas with your penis replacement 340 HP V6 for a 3400-3800lb car (here's a hint, 150HP and 130lb/ft is enough to take my 3400lb car from 60-80 in a few seconds if I downshift, a larger engine is just throwing dollar bills out the tailpipe). Though due to higher compression the replacement will probably be more like 180HP with better economy (Mazda CX5 AWD or Ford Fusion AWD with ecoboost)


Already got a 3.5L 215HP/234lb*ft block in a 3600lb package, and it has no problem with doing extended trips. No need to use a manual gearbox to get it betwen 60-80. I would like to move to something a bit bigger, but environmentalists want to make it too expensive for normal people to drive anything larger than a golfcart.
 
2012-03-10 02:54:49 AM  

sethstorm: GoSurfing: That's even more reason to buy one: they farking work. Those are some tough conditions for a vehicle to operate in, especially with 10 dudes in the back. They definitely load it past the payload capacity EVERY DAY, and it holds up. Doubt they even give them oil changes.

Then it gets blown up by a US-based weapons platform. Before it even gets to the 100000 mile mark.

9/10 terrorists know that the Toyota Hilux is the supreme vehicle. The other 1/10 choose Nissan.

Since that's all they can afford or can find. Makes for easy hunting when the poky engine can't keep up or the body gets easily crushed.


//The 2010's called and said that anyone who actually buys a new Chrysler probably lives in a trailer park and thinks it is "top of the line/world class".

Or that someone wants something more in tune with the US than Ford, and wants an alternative to GM with a more affordable V6. Let me know when you can get a decently performing V6 for 21-23k USD in a Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Ford, or some other un-American car.

There is no issue with GM, Chrysler and their properly sized/affordably priced behemoths. Making them into bland, golfcart world-cars (a la Ford) is the wrong way around.


/Proudly in ownership of Detroit metal
//No need to tune when the block already has the power
///Haven't seen the transplants make anything I'd want
////since they went all keicar and speed limiter(Hi Nissan)



yea, fark those un american cars, made in heathen places like Lafayette IN, Erlanger KY, Canton MS, Symrna TN.

fark I bet they don't even love the baby jesus in those hellholes! lets bomb those farkers!
 
2012-03-10 03:12:47 AM  

SuperT: yea, fark those un american cars, madeassembled in heathen places like Lafayette IN, Erlanger KY, Canton MS, Symrna TN.


FTFY

But all those states are anti-worker.
 
2012-03-10 03:45:11 AM  

SuperT: fark I bet they don't even love the baby jesus in those hellholes! lets bomb those farkers!


They are quite Dominionist down there, so I'd think they do. Whether it

They have a very large disdain for workers having any balance or upper hand in the South. Any balance or upper hand obtained by a worker represents a deep violation of the traditions & values of "people knowing their place" in the South. This has been used by industry to indoctrinate and insulate the region from workers getting "too uppity" and being able to challenge business.

If you have any doubt, look at the openly adversarial Chambers of Commerce (Georgia being a fine example) that exist in the South but do not exist in the North. In the North, they are more partners of the community than attack groups that do to all workers.

(The irony in all of this - the more "business friendly" states have higher unemployment than their "worker friendly" peers)
 
2012-03-10 03:47:48 AM  

sethstorm: SuperT: yea, fark those un american cars, madeassembled in heathen places like Lafayette IN, Erlanger KY, Canton MS, Symrna TN.

FTFY

But all those states are anti-worker.


oh I know, I've lived in 2 of them. but that wasn't the point.
 
2012-03-10 03:49:02 AM  
They are quite Dominionist down there, so I'd think they do. Enough that they are chock full of places that are willing to kidnap children and ship them off to some far-off facility, for various ways of questioning Southern social values.
Fixed.
 
2012-03-10 03:55:14 AM  

SuperT: oh I know, I've lived in 2 of them. but that wasn't the point.


You'd have a better case for quoting the Texas factories, which still has the problem of trying to make a Japanese-controlled company make something that is not Japanese - a US-sized truck. That market largely (pun sort of intended) is still a GM-Ford-Chrysler market given that Toyota does small cars better for having practice.
 
2012-03-10 04:06:14 AM  

sethstorm: Now if it didnt take $30k just to get Toyota to put something like that 5VZFE in a medium/non-luxury segment car, things would be a bit better.


QFT
 
2012-03-10 10:31:03 AM  

sethstorm: SuperT: oh I know, I've lived in 2 of them. but that wasn't the point.

You'd have a better case for quoting the Texas factories, which still has the problem of trying to make a Japanese-controlled company make something that is not Japanese - a US-sized truck. That market largely (pun sort of intended) is still a GM-Ford-Chrysler market given that Toyota does small cars better for having practice.


That was true of small cars until a couple years ago. The Corolla is reliable but dated, and the Yaris looks like a Fiat with Down's syndrome. I'd take the Cruze/Sonic over them right now. Better fuel economy, (as I recall) safer, nicer looks, etc.

Not to say Toyota won't turn that around, but if the new Yaris is any indication, they're going the wrong way.

Even Chrysler is a relatively minor player in big pickups. It's pretty much Ford and GM, then everybody else.
 
2012-03-10 11:31:53 AM  
At least Toyotas don't self-immolate in your garage while you sleep.
 
2012-03-10 12:04:31 PM  

sethstorm: FTFY. The 1980's called and it wants its overused stereotype of US cars being bad back.


They were worse than Japanese cars as recently as I paid attention in '07, the last time we bought a used car in our family. It's an '04 Accord with 180,000 miles now that still feels like a brand new car. I have a friend with a Buick about the same age that's making all sorts of noise, terrible relatively speaking, and I'm not suprised. I know 'Murrican cars are better than they were in the '80s and '90s, but that's not saying much. I'll wait 15 years and see how they hold up before considering them.

A part of the problem is that, by and large, those who buy stuff like Pontiac Grand Ams don't seem to treat their already horrible cars very well. People who buy Accords and Camrys? They're not stereotypically flooring the gas pedal at every light and putting monster energy drink stickers on them...At least that's how I'm seeing it.
 
2012-03-10 12:53:31 PM  

Ow My Balls: People who buy Accords and Camrys? They're not stereotypically flooring the gas pedal at every light and putting monster energy drink stickers on them...At least that's how I'm seeing it.


Yes, people who drive Japanese sedans don't start out fast from red light, or put stickers on their cars, that's a well known scientific fact, you didn't need to repeat it..
 
2012-03-10 01:27:49 PM  

KIA: By the way, why can't we have a US made vehicle with good clearance, generator capacity, compressed natural gas bifuel capability and a comfortable interior that is a actually dependable and fun to drive?


Because we've been naughty, and can't have nice things.
 
2012-03-10 05:26:41 PM  
As someone who is buying a Ford Fiesta in a few weeks I'm getting a kick etc.
 
2012-03-10 07:08:24 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: That was true of small cars until a couple years ago. The Corolla is reliable but dated, and the Yaris looks like a Fiat with Down's syndrome. I'd take the Cruze/Sonic over them right now. Better fuel economy, (as I recall) safer, nicer looks, etc.

I'd rather go used at that price level. Much more car.

Even Chrysler is a relatively minor player in big pickups. It's pretty much Ford and GM, then everybody else.
Yet they're likely to be a bigger player in cars, since Ford practically handed over that share to them. Whether it's the fleet orders going Chrysler's way or the company offering what Ford just dropped, Chrysler's picking up where Ford is leaving off.
 
2012-03-10 11:24:14 PM  
Pops traded in his '88 Corolla @ over 300k miles. Never more than a routine maintenance. I absolutely LOVE my '06 4Runner, and the wife has loved every Toyota she's ever driven (currently in a Highlander).
 
2012-03-11 11:28:44 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: Pops traded in his '88 Corolla @ over 300k miles. Never more than a routine maintenance. I absolutely LOVE my '06 4Runner, and the wife has loved every Toyota she's ever driven (currently in a Highlander).


Well my 01 corolla valves started tapping like a tea kettle at 75000 miles, and I'm a 3000 mile oil change guy. My anecdote cancels your anecdote.
 
2012-03-12 06:31:54 AM  

sethstorm: RickyWilliams'sBong: That was true of small cars until a couple years ago. The Corolla is reliable but dated, and the Yaris looks like a Fiat with Down's syndrome. I'd take the Cruze/Sonic over them right now. Better fuel economy, (as I recall) safer, nicer looks, etc.

I'd rather go used at that price level. Much more car.

Even Chrysler is a relatively minor player in big pickups. It's pretty much Ford and GM, then everybody else.
Yet they're likely to be a bigger player in cars, since Ford practically handed over that share to them. Whether it's the fleet orders going Chrysler's way or the company offering what Ford just dropped, Chrysler's picking up where Ford is leaving off.


Chrysler has the 200 -- as we all know, the ramshackle rental car of the people. ;) I think they still make some right-hand-drive Jeeps for rural mail service. Rams likely have a decent number of fleet sales, and I know the Charger has been moving into the police segment as the Crown Vic goes away.

But they're not ready to compete with Ford on small cars. They don't have any yet, although that'll chance some once the Dart arrives. The Fiat is nicer than the Fiesta, IMO, but Fiat's positioning that as a niche car with a premium price -- some kind of compromise between the low-end Sonic/Yaris models and the high-end MINI.

I suspect Chrysler still makes nearly all its money on SUVs, trucks and minivans. I'm sure a few of the cars make a profit, but the Grand Cherokee, Wrangler, Ram, and T&C/Caravan are still their big sellers.

If anybody's competing with the Asians in small cars, it's GM. The Cruze moves more units in three months than the Compass (Chrysler's smallest vehicle) moves in a year. The Sonic moved almost 8,000 units last month (pretty impressive for the B-segment in the US, especially for a mostly-new model following the fiasco that was the Aveo).

Chrysler will figure it out in the next few years with Fiat's help, but they're not there yet.
 
2012-03-13 02:01:07 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: Chrysler will figure it out in the next few years with Fiat's help, but they're not there yet.


RickyWilliams'sBong: Chrysler has the 200 -- as we all know, the ramshackle rental car of the people. ;) I think they still make some right-hand-drive Jeeps for rural mail service. Rams likely have a decent number of fleet sales, and I know the Charger has been moving into the police segment as the Crown Vic goes away.

I'd rather take a V6-backed 200 than any of the I4-powered small cars below it - it's no early-2000's Malibu. Once the V8-powered 300's start getting to sane ranges (read: where the V6 200 is now), I'd not mind driving one of those.

Since Ford sold its soul, Chrysler has handily filled the void of affordable high-power, V6+, low-cost cars.


But they're not ready to compete with Ford on small cars. They don't have any yet, although that'll chance some once the Dart arrives. The Fiat is nicer than the Fiesta, IMO, but Fiat's positioning that as a niche car with a premium price -- some kind of compromise between the low-end Sonic/Yaris models and the high-end MINI.

I suspect Chrysler still makes nearly all its money on SUVs, trucks and minivans. I'm sure a few of the cars make a profit, but the Grand Cherokee, Wrangler, Ram, and T&C/Caravan are still their big sellers.

The last thing that Chrysler should be doing is letting I4-with-a-or-pay-farktons disease infect their lineup. Let that stuff stay on the other side of the Atlantic with an option to easily import a desired model on request.


If anybody's competing with the Asians in small cars, it's GM. The Cruze moves more units in three months than the Compass (Chrysler's smallest vehicle) moves in a year. The Sonic moved almost 8,000 units last month (pretty impressive for the B-segment in the US, especially for a mostly-new model following the fiasco that was the Aveo).

That's why I avoid the entire Buick division, captive imports (Cruze & Sonic), and all narcostate specials. Either it's a Canadian car or a US car, both of which are made with North America in mind - as opposed to a refitted Asia-focused model with English translated owner's manual.




Chrysler will figure it out in the next few years with Fiat's help, but they're not there yet.


I hope that Chrysler keeps its sanity and relegates the small cars to Fiat while selling the good large cars through Chrysler.

The more a car shares with the Third World, the more reason to avoid it. That usually means that anything that we take for granted (affordable V6 or V8's for example) are reserved for far upper tier cars, leaving poky I4's as the commoner's car.
 
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