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gtp123		2012-03-09 10:42:01 AM

Brostorm: gtp123: Brostorm: Yes people, the wages don't matter, continue the celebrating.

I know the wages thing is just a dishonest goal post moving but I'll be naive and respond anyway.

They are going up and have been for years. Month over month they were up .1% in Feb. Theyve grown by about 5% since Obama has been president. They grew faster under Bush. So things are moving in the right direction, just slower than we'd like.

Unfortunately this is what disinflation looks like. Next time you freak about inflation, remember inflation can't really happen without wage inflation. Not that that's a bad thing, but I know that if wages were on an upward tear you'd be concern trolling about inflation and printing money and all the normal RON PAUL stuff.

Actually I have been annoyed for years with even counting jobs that pay for under what it costs to live as meaningful jobs in our economy. Jobs at very high skill levels increase the wage% but all you have to do is compare average salary with median salary to see that wages for the vast majority of people are not going up and in a best case scenario are stagnant without even counting inflation against it. Real wages for average people are going down if you count inflation. Both Rs and Ds play the unemployment shell game, no a job is not a job.

I absolutely agree that income inequality is a huge problem.

PoeGhost		2012-03-09 10:44:42 AM

I was going to say something about Lewis Black, but now i'm just disappointed the headline didn't mention the leprechaun infestation at the job fair.

Clemkadidlefark		2012-03-09 10:45:21 AM

227,000 jobs created

Yessir. In India, China, Brazil. And wherever Obama spent your millions of dollars to refurbish mosques around the world.

None for you, citizen. Move along.

Father_Jack		2012-03-09 10:46:18 AM

personally, i prefer one person to wash my balls, and another to gargle them. its not good having the same person do both duties and i think its even against union policy in some midwestern states.

to cut costs, i shave my junk myself now. i used to be able get indians on H1b visas to do it but theyre getting more difficult to find.

Jubeebee		2012-03-09 10:47:00 AM

Surpheon: After working through two of the last weekends and looking at losing the majority of my upcoming weekends to the same fate, I really need to staff up and hire an engineer or two to help out. And now, because of my procrastination and an improving jobs market, the farkers won't be quite so desperate and I might actually have to pay them decently.

I know you're being fatuous, Jeffery, but my group at work has been trying to hire a couple more technical writers and the applicant pool is pretty poor. A couple of years ago we brought someone on for a similar position (she's still here) and had like 60 applications in 3 days and had to fight qualified people off with a stick.

Now people are either being more picky or qualified people aren't leaving where they're currently employed, because the string of twitchy old people that have interviewed aren't particularly impressive.

It's odd. First time in my working life where it's starting to look like people might have employment options beyond 'whatever I can get'.

Iniamyen1		2012-03-09 10:52:05 AM

I have a personal ball washer, but I make sure to pay her in cash.

maram500		2012-03-09 10:52:15 AM

Coach_J: Lewis Black is disappointed.

Aaaand...we're done in one, folks.

Nothing like being the CEO of a Fortune 500 and having your friends look upon your personal ball washer scrubbing and rinsing, scrubbing and rinsing, scrub scrub rinse rinse.

/One drug addiction (and thirty years) from being Lewis Black
//Already an alcoholic

cameroncrazy1984		2012-03-09 10:52:28 AM

Clemkadidlefark: 227,000 jobs created

Yessir. In India, China, Brazil. And wherever Obama spent your millions of dollars to refurbish mosques around the world.

None for you, citizen. Move along.

I hope your employer knows you phoned it in.

Pwnchubr		2012-03-09 11:15:30 AM

Wake me when 20 million jobs are created.

skiinstructor		2012-03-09 11:16:56 AM

Leonard Washington:

Please define JD

I could replace each instance that you used the term JD with Jack Daniels
and it made sense.

Juris Doctor? (first guess and probably right)
Jake Dingman?
Jury Downstairs?
John Doughty?
John Deere?
Jim Dandy?

NateGrey		2012-03-09 11:20:46 AM

joe not appearing in this picture: Yea right, I call Bull shenanigans.
My brother in law is on part time (union)
my son can't find a job (college top of the class)
2 other friends of ours can't find a opening in their field.
brother laid off from a closing heating and air condition company.

only ONE of them is claiming unemployment.
The goverments numbers are based on FILED CLAIMS!

lol yeah well
My brother in law is full time (union)
my son found a job (college top of the class)
2 other friends of ours found a opening in their field.
brother started an air condition company.

NONE of them is claiming unemployment.
The goverments numbers are LOOKING GOOD

Delay		2012-03-09 11:24:53 AM

cryinoutloud		2012-03-09 11:25:19 AM

When my job is added, then it matters.
And you'd feel the same way if you'd been job-hunting for a year.

/so tired.........

dj_spanmaster		2012-03-09 11:34:05 AM

cryinoutloud: When my job is added, then it matters.
And you'd feel the same way if you'd been job-hunting for a year.

/so tired.........

I've been there. Five bouts of unemployment or underemployment over the last six years, totaling almost three of the six years. People who haven't had to deal with finding a new job should count themselves as lucky.

Craptastic		2012-03-09 11:36:17 AM

jst3p: Craptastic: The company I work for added 3 of those jobs last month, and ~25 within the past year. Business is good. Also, the lowest-paid person here started at 15.50 per hour, and the majority make much more than that.

Go us!

According to a rock solid source in this thread they are all jobs that require 10+ years of experience and a masters degree for shiat wages, you must be lying.

To be fair, I work at a production facility that hires people with various backgrounds. We have engineers, office staff, sales staff, phone-answerers, logistics staff, laborers, floor sweepers, etc. Rarely do we have positions for people who one might call unskilled. Were it not for my degrees and previous work experience, I doubt I'd have landed a sweet position where I can fart around on the internet in between the busy periods of the day. Then again, we just hired a guy in our shop who had no previous experience. He was placed as a temp worker, and proved himself to be an awesome worker. I can think of 6-7 others who got hired the same way in the past year; some in the office, and some in production.

People_are_Idiots		2012-03-09 11:38:40 AM

DarwiOdrade: offmymeds: groppet: Funny thing is the jobs I have seen , even the crappy ones, want 10+ year experience and a masters degree for crap wages.

This.

Then it's time for you to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps & get that Master's degree and 10+ years of experience, you lazy bums.

Considering I have more experience than most masters, I'm getting a kick.

davidab		2012-03-09 11:47:21 AM

Craptastic: The company I work for added 3 of those jobs last month, and ~25 within the past year. Business is good. Also, the lowest-paid person here started at 15.50 per hour, and the majority make much more than that.

Go us!

this is where you are supposed to give your company free advertising!

JsnRunner		2012-03-09 11:47:34 AM

Surpheon: DAMNIT

After working through two of the last weekends and looking at losing the majority of my upcoming weekends to the same fate, I really need to staff up and hire an engineer or two to help out. And now, because of my procrastination and an improving jobs market, the farkers won't be quite so desperate and I might actually have to pay them decently. The Republicans in Congress better work even harder to stop this recovery - at least until November - to keep the labor pool hungry or I'm going to be annoyed. At least they seem to be getting their shiat together to stop the highways bill. That'll be good for tens of thousands of people laid off overnight, and as a bonus pissing on the pig sty that is our ancient infrastructure keeps investors from wanting to throw their cash in.

If your serious about needing help, I have am an EE with some spare time I could sell for cheap.
EIP

ToldThereWouldBeCake		2012-03-09 11:48:57 AM

pxsteel		2012-03-09 11:56:53 AM

Although adding 200+ is a good thing, as in better than getting kicked between the legs. The fact is 8.3 U3 is bad, Where below 7 is OK and below 6 is good.

The recovery is very weak, 10th worst of the last 12. Meaning 83% have been better than this one.

The misery index may not be as bad a Carters but it is still dismal at best and $4+ gas is not going to help.

Anyone that champions the Obama Administrations Recovery is a complete partisan hack.

/still hoping things continue to improve.

Gaseous Anomaly		2012-03-09 12:13:36 PM

joe not appearing in this picture: Yea right, I call Bull shenanigans.
My brother in law is on part time (union)
my son can't find a job (college top of the class)
2 other friends of ours can't find a opening in their field.
brother laid off from a closing heating and air condition company.

only ONE of them is claiming unemployment.
The goverments numbers are based on FILED CLAIMS!

In the unlikely event you're serious, it's based on surveys, not filed unemployment claims.

Craptastic		2012-03-09 12:18:27 PM

davidab: Craptastic: The company I work for added 3 of those jobs last month, and ~25 within the past year. Business is good. Also, the lowest-paid person here started at 15.50 per hour, and the majority make much more than that.

Go us!

this is where you are supposed to give your company free advertising!

Nooo. Our products are highly specialized, and not something that the average person would see and say "I need me one of those!" We produce items for industrial/municipal niche markets. Still, my sales projections for this year indicate a large upswing in both North & South America. We've outgrown our current facility, and are in the process of doubling the size of our workplace. So we're also creating jobs in the construction industry as well. I can't wait to move into my new office this summer: I get a door and a window soon.

Jubeebee		2012-03-09 12:22:56 PM

pxsteel:
The recovery is very weak, 10th worst of the last 12. Meaning 83% have been better than this one.

83% of the past recessions weren't as severe as this one either.

historycat		2012-03-09 12:33:11 PM

Ya, but I got fired yesterday, and my fiancee was fired the day before.

It's not the number of jobs that are out there, but the quality of jobs. We both have student loans to pay, and she was supporting her parents.

/give me a candidate which will not take away all the difficulty, but it certainly doesn't have to be this hard.

busy chillin'		2012-03-09 12:36:58 PM

historycat

Ya, but I got fired yesterday, and my fiancee was fired the day before.

No shiat? I thought you had the day off yesterday.

Craig Jones: I did. I went in to pick up my check, came home, my supervisor called me about four o'clock, told me he got me on tape stealing boxes.

Smokey: The f*ck you stealing boxes for? What you trying to build, a clubhouse?

pxsteel		2012-03-09 12:42:07 PM

Jubeebee: pxsteel:
The recovery is very weak, 10th worst of the last 12. Meaning 83% have been better than this one.

83% of the past recessions weren't as severe as this one either.

Deeper recessions tend to bounce back at a higher rate. Low hanging fruit theory, improving from 75% to 80% is easier than from 90% to 95%. Law of diminishing returns and all.

The 'weren't as severe as this one' is a very poor excuse.

RichieLaw		2012-03-09 12:42:16 PM

Leonard Washington: Yeah, I had a JD and passed the bar, smacked in the face with the reality that a JD is basically worthless in the job market, did temp work in DC before deciding that pursuing something else might be better than staring off the rooftop on 13th St every day at lunch wondering if the project would be over when I walked back in and whether it would be better to just do a swan dive over the edge.

Took me a couple of years to find a different job. If you're looking at going non-attorney, for entry level jobs, take the degree off your resume, bullshiat about how you did "office work" for a while, and you're really hungry to get a start with something new, and you'll get way more interest. Taking the JD off quadrupled the # of responses I got, and you might not be paid jack at first, but it's not hard to distinguish yourself among other entry level people... got a substantial raise later.

Employers have always come across to me as wanting to avoid the JD. You can always put it back on later, no law against not putting things on a resume.

That seems counter-productive to me. I received a couple of jobs that I wasn't otherwise qualified for because of my JD (and they had nothing to do with the law). I would definitely suggest getting out of private practice, but don't be afraid of the law degree. A cover letter is where you explain why you might be a good fit and how your JD shouldn't define you.

But that is just what I did. Different strokes, etc.

/As much as I hate private practice, sticking it out for a couple of years set me up in a nice non-practicing attorney gig.

mak3_7up_y0urs		2012-03-09 12:45:37 PM

KimNorth: I'm glad to see this But yes BUT until they tally up the numbers to include those who have dropped out of work force numbers i.e. those who are no longer counted are people who's unemployment has run out, those who have just given up and now stay home after down sizing going from a two income to a one income household, those who have given up and gone on welfare (just look at those numbers and you will get a shock on where all the work force who are no longer counted have gone), look at the news stories on cities problem with over night vehicular street camping, when interviewed these were the people living paycheck to paycheck and when unemployment ran out they were out of luck and not longer counted....

FTFA: The unemployment rate was unchanged from 8.3 percent in January, the Labor Department reported Friday, as nearly a half million people who had been staying on the sidelines rejoined the search for work.

Reading is hard.

dj_spanmaster		2012-03-09 01:00:16 PM

mak3_7up_y0urs: KimNorth: I'm glad to see this But yes BUT until they tally up the numbers to include those who have dropped out of work force numbers i.e. those who are no longer counted are people who's unemployment has run out, those who have just given up and now stay home after down sizing going from a two income to a one income household, those who have given up and gone on welfare (just look at those numbers and you will get a shock on where all the work force who are no longer counted have gone), look at the news stories on cities problem with over night vehicular street camping, when interviewed these were the people living paycheck to paycheck and when unemployment ran out they were out of luck and not longer counted....

FTFA: The unemployment rate was unchanged from 8.3 percent in January, the Labor Department reported Friday, as nearly a half million people who had been staying on the sidelines rejoined the search for work.

Reading is hard.

In case you missed it, you illustrated her point: the Labor Department does not count people who have given up looking as "jobless" and "unemployed". Good job.

Nuclear Monk		2012-03-09 01:02:54 PM

Craptastic: davidab: Craptastic: The company I work for added 3 of those jobs last month, and ~25 within the past year. Business is good. Also, the lowest-paid person here started at 15.50 per hour, and the majority make much more than that.

Go us!

this is where you are supposed to give your company free advertising!

Nooo. Our products are highly specialized, and not something that the average person would see and say "I need me one of those!" We produce items for industrial/municipal niche markets. Still, my sales projections for this year indicate a large upswing in both North & South America. We've outgrown our current facility, and are in the process of doubling the size of our workplace. So we're also creating jobs in the construction industry as well. I can't wait to move into my new office this summer: I get a door and a window soon.

So you're saying you make fleshlights?

toraque		2012-03-09 01:04:08 PM

joe not appearing in this picture: Yea right, I call Bull shenanigans.
My brother in law is on part time (union)
my son can't find a job (college top of the class)
2 other friends of ours can't find a opening in their field.
brother laid off from a closing heating and air condition company.

only ONE of them is claiming unemployment.
The goverments numbers are based on FILED CLAIMS!

Bullshiat. My uncle's clam digging company was just able to hire two more diggers, so obviously the numbers are based on FILLED CLAMS!

mak3_7up_y0urs		2012-03-09 01:19:26 PM

dj_spanmaster: mak3_7up_y0urs: KimNorth: I'm glad to see this But yes BUT until they tally up the numbers to include those who have dropped out of work force numbers i.e. those who are no longer counted are people who's unemployment has run out, those who have just given up and now stay home after down sizing going from a two income to a one income household, those who have given up and gone on welfare (just look at those numbers and you will get a shock on where all the work force who are no longer counted have gone), look at the news stories on cities problem with over night vehicular street camping, when interviewed these were the people living paycheck to paycheck and when unemployment ran out they were out of luck and not longer counted....

FTFA: The unemployment rate was unchanged from 8.3 percent in January, the Labor Department reported Friday, as nearly a half million people who had been staying on the sidelines rejoined the search for work.

Reading is hard.

In case you missed it, you illustrated her point: the Labor Department does not count people who have given up looking as "jobless" and "unemployed". Good job.

No, I was illustrating that the concern trolling about people dropping out of the work force was wrong. A half million people rejoined the work force. Those people are now being counted in the U3 rate, which is why the U3 rate remained unchanged despite the increase in employment.

As far as your claim that the Labor Department doesn't count people who have given up looking, the U6 rate would like to have a word with you.

Bureau of Labor Statistics (new window)

The seasonally adjusted U6 rate dropped from 15.1% to 14.9%.

Leonard Washington		2012-03-09 01:20:50 PM

RichieLaw:

I was aiming that more at the bazillions of law school grads who can't get a job doing private practice in the first place... and can only list a JD...

Attorney experience on resume, of course makes sense to include JD when applying for non attorney jobs.

No work experience? take the JD off

skiinstructor: Jack Daniels

Whoa, I'm not advocating anything crazy can't let go of the booze!

amundb		2012-03-09 01:24:51 PM

This is all Obama's / Bush's / Republicans / Democrats fault.

some_beer_drinker		2012-03-09 01:28:28 PM

this sounds like made up bullshiat.

theknuckler_33		2012-03-09 01:29:46 PM

Brostorm: Yes people, the wages don't matter, continue the celebrating.

More people working is a good thing no matter how you slice it.

InfamousBLT		2012-03-09 01:32:33 PM

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any stats which show these new created jobs average wage compared to average wage of jobs that were created over the last decade or two? Adjusted for inflation?

So, say I make $20 an hour now. I get laid off, spend 6 months finding a job, am counted as unemployed, then get a new job making $10 an hour. At $20 an hour I can stimulate the economy no problem. At $10 an hour I'm struggling to put food on the table. So, a $20 an hour job is worth more to the economy than a $10 an hour job...replacing 227000 $20 hour jobs with $10 hour jobs is not what I would call "good news."

But I have no numbers to back this up. For all I know these new jobs could be $30 an hour jobs. I highly, highly doubt that...but I am curious.

To me unemployment numbers are generally useless because of all of the factors they leave out such as wages, people who were never employed (recent college grads), people who are "under employed," people who were fired illegally instead of laid off so that unemployment doesn't have to be paid out, etc.

Also, employment / wages per household would be a neat number to see. Again, that is a much better barometer for how the country is doing than just unemployment. Actual money is whats important to see how the country is doing. I don't care too much about unemployment. Its sad that's the number we choose to use.

Ain't No Party Like A Tea Party		2012-03-09 01:38:36 PM

Already has a personal ball washer.

WienerButt		2012-03-09 01:40:13 PM

There are at least 7 jobs opening up where I work every week with the current job search index having up to 100+ openings.

Oh, wait..I work in health care and not political science or criminal justice. Sorry, carry on.

/just trollin
//good luck guys, it is hard out there no matter what

theknuckler_33		2012-03-09 01:40:50 PM

Pwnchubr: ~~Wake me when 20 million jobs are created~~There will only be good economic news when U6 is less than 1%.

theknuckler_33		2012-03-09 01:50:03 PM

JackieRabbit		2012-03-09 01:53:57 PM

Good news. Only 112 more months to go before employment levels are back up to their 2009 level.

pxsteel		2012-03-09 01:55:05 PM

theknuckler_33: pxsteel: Although adding 200+ is a good thing, as in better than getting kicked between the legs. The fact is 8.3 U3 is bad, Where below 7 is OK and below 6 is good.

The recovery is very weak, 10th worst of the last 12. Meaning 83% have been better than this one.

You mean the recovery from the worst recession since the Great Depression has been less robust than those from recessions that weren't as bad?

you must have missed that I posted this:

Deeper recessions tend to bounce back at a higher rate. Low hanging fruit theory, improving from 75% to 80% is easier than from 90% to 95%. Law of diminishing returns and all.

The 'weren't as severe as this one' is a very poor excuse.

Craptastic		2012-03-09 01:56:58 PM

Nuclear Monk: Craptastic: davidab: Craptastic: The company I work for added 3 of those jobs last month, and ~25 within the past year. Business is good. Also, the lowest-paid person here started at 15.50 per hour, and the majority make much more than that.

Go us!

this is where you are supposed to give your company free advertising!

Nooo. Our products are highly specialized, and not something that the average person would see and say "I need me one of those!" We produce items for industrial/municipal niche markets. Still, my sales projections for this year indicate a large upswing in both North & South America. We've outgrown our current facility, and are in the process of doubling the size of our workplace. So we're also creating jobs in the construction industry as well. I can't wait to move into my new office this summer: I get a door and a window soon.

So you're saying you make fleshlights?

I WISH! At least that would be interesting. Plus, I could take home products when the elastomer is not up to spec.

malaktaus		2012-03-09 02:04:38 PM

pxsteel: Although adding 200+ is a good thing, as in better than getting kicked between the legs. The fact is 8.3 U3 is bad, Where below 7 is OK and below 6 is good.

The recovery is very weak, 10th worst of the last 12. Meaning 83% have been better than this one.

The misery index may not be as bad a Carters but it is still dismal at best and $4+ gas is not going to help.

Anyone that champions the Obama Administrations Recovery is a complete partisan hack.

/still hoping things continue to improve.

You know, I wasn't even going to bother to vote in this election, but you convinced me: I'm going to vote for Obama. Granted, he's a big disappointment, his record on civil liberties being especially depressing, but on the other hand your tears will be delicious. Seriously, why do you have to try to denigrate every tiny piece of good news out of pure partisan hatred? It's deranged. You and your ilk are insane, pure and simple, and you cannot be allowed near power, for the good of the world. It's unfortunate that the only other realistic choice is a party as devoid of principle and as ethically compromised as the Democrats, but it is what it is.

jst3p		2012-03-09 02:09:16 PM

toraque: joe not appearing in this picture: Yea right, I call Bull shenanigans.
My brother in law is on part time (union)
my son can't find a job (college top of the class)
2 other friends of ours can't find a opening in their field.
brother laid off from a closing heating and air condition company.

only ONE of them is claiming unemployment.
The goverments numbers are based on FILED CLAIMS!

Bullshiat. My uncle's clam digging company was just able to hire two more diggers, so obviously the numbers are based on FILLED CLAMS!

BULLshiat, my step-son's restaurant, which specializes in cooking bi-valves in oil had to lay off 25% of their workforce.

The government's numbers are based on FRIED CLAMS!

imnotadoctor		2012-03-09 02:10:48 PM

Wettner: Wife is an out of work attorney and we just aren't seeing the attorney positions being added in our area. So I guffaw at these numbers.

This is likely due to the glut (new window) of attorneys in the job market.

dj_spanmaster		2012-03-09 02:24:48 PM

mak3_7up_y0urs: dj_spanmaster: mak3_7up_y0urs: KimNorth: I'm glad to see this But yes BUT until they tally up the numbers to include those who have dropped out of work force numbers i.e. those who are no longer counted are people who's unemployment has run out, those who have just given up and now stay home after down sizing going from a two income to a one income household, those who have given up and gone on welfare (just look at those numbers and you will get a shock on where all the work force who are no longer counted have gone), look at the news stories on cities problem with over night vehicular street camping, when interviewed these were the people living paycheck to paycheck and when unemployment ran out they were out of luck and not longer counted....

FTFA: The unemployment rate was unchanged from 8.3 percent in January, the Labor Department reported Friday, as nearly a half million people who had been staying on the sidelines rejoined the search for work.

Reading is hard.

In case you missed it, you illustrated her point: the Labor Department does not count people who have given up looking as "jobless" and "unemployed". Good job.

No, I was illustrating that the concern trolling about people dropping out of the work force was wrong. A half million people rejoined the work force. Those people are now being counted in the U3 rate, which is why the U3 rate remained unchanged despite the increase in employment.

As far as your claim that the Labor Department doesn't count people who have given up looking, the U6 rate would like to have a word with you.

Bureau of Labor Statistics (new window)

The seasonally adjusted U6 rate dropped from 15.1% to 14.9%.

That's fantastic, I didn't know that data was being collected. I'm interested in knowing why news outlets don't report on U6 by default. Is it simply because the government says, "This is our official measurement"?

pxsteel		2012-03-09 02:28:02 PM

malaktaus: pxsteel: Although adding 200+ is a good thing, as in better than getting kicked between the legs. The fact is 8.3 U3 is bad, Where below 7 is OK and below 6 is good.

The recovery is very weak, 10th worst of the last 12. Meaning 83% have been better than this one.

The misery index may not be as bad a Carters but it is still dismal at best and $4+ gas is not going to help.

Anyone that champions the Obama Administrations Recovery is a complete partisan hack.

/still hoping things continue to improve.

You know, I wasn't even going to bother to vote in this election, but you convinced me: I'm going to vote for Obama. Granted, he's a big disappointment, his record on civil liberties being especially depressing, but on the other hand your tears will be delicious. Seriously, why do you have to try to denigrate every tiny piece of good news out of pure partisan hatred? It's deranged. You and your ilk are insane, pure and simple, and you cannot be allowed near power, for the good of the world. It's unfortunate that the only other realistic choice is a party as devoid of principle and as ethically compromised as the Democrats, but it is what it is.

I am a left leaning independent. I am an economist by trade and a realist by heart. You know what would be insane, electing the same group of people that we currently have, considering their economic track record. I don't know who Obama's economic advisors are, but they have made some bad decisions, and it shows. 8.3 u3 14+ U6.

namatad		2012-03-09 02:35:02 PM

Wettner: Wife is an out of work attorney and we just aren't seeing the attorney positions being added in our area. So I guffaw at these numbers.

so your wife is a drain on the soul of society and she cant find a job sucking the life out of the system?

/sorry, cant feel any empathy for lawyers. has she checked at the PD or all the non-profits?

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