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(The Sun)   Britain tries to pull a Seal Team Six and fails. The Sun is there   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 127
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2012-03-09 12:03:12 AM  
Well, that's terrible, but the main thing I took away from the article is that the Nigerian president's name is "Goodluck Jonthan".
 
2012-03-09 12:07:36 AM  
That sucks. I hope they were able to kill all the terrorists.
 
2012-03-09 12:12:45 AM  
That does suck. Next time, Britain, please call the pros. I'm sure your credit is still good with us.
 
2012-03-09 12:28:33 AM  
That's a shame, though I suppose hostage situations rarely end well.
 
2012-03-09 12:30:37 AM  
To be fair, the SEALs didn't have to try to rescue anyone during their most famous recent endeavor.
 
2012-03-09 02:24:23 AM  
A seven hour firefight? Wow that went all kinds of wrong. Hostage rescues have to get in ever so slightly faster than that.
 
2012-03-09 02:25:10 AM  
But the captives were thought to have been shot or blown up during a fierce seven-hour firefight between the kidnappers and forces who stormed their remote compound.

There's your problem.

/Obviously a sad, sad day for their families.
 
2012-03-09 02:34:23 AM  

vossiewulf: A seven hour firefight? Wow that went all kinds of wrong. Hostage rescues have to get in ever so slightly faster than that.


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It sounds like they sent the ATF.
 
2012-03-09 02:43:06 AM  

violentsalvation: That sucks. I hope they were able to kill all the terrorists.


FTFA: At least two of the fanatics were killed.

Sounds like they didn't get all of them.
 
2012-03-09 04:16:42 AM  
FTA: "Missions like this have a success rate of less than 30 per cent.

Yeah. Sucks to be a hostage in that kind of situation.
 
2012-03-09 04:28:58 AM  
The Nigerian Prince can still save him. We just need to send him $100K.
 
2012-03-09 04:39:42 AM  
The SBS and the Royal Marines are all kinds of professional. Something must have gone very wrong. Don't want to speculate, but possibly bad intel. Whatever, there's no doubt in my mind that no other force in the world could have done a better job.
 
2012-03-09 04:39:50 AM  

Relatively Obscure: To be fair, the SEALs didn't have to try to rescue anyone during their most famous recent endeavor.


They rescued hostages just a few weeks ago. Rescued a ship crew as well.

The problem I see here is the SAS worked with Nigerian military in the rescue attempt. They should have gone alone.
 
2012-03-09 04:40:35 AM  
To be fair, Seal Team Six did not get their target out alive either. Although that may not have been their main priority.

The SBS are hard-ass pros, but sometimes there is no way to win.
 
2012-03-09 04:41:44 AM  
FTA: "the lads will be gutted"

Poor choice of words. Poor, just poor.

/also, terrible inset map of Africa.
 
2012-03-09 04:43:46 AM  
Subby, a team of forty Special Forces makes me think that the enemy were a tad greater than a couple of bearded old men, their wives and a few kids.

/Probably managed not to crash one of their helicopters too
 
2012-03-09 04:48:09 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: That does suck. Next time, Britain, please call the pros. I'm sure your credit is still good with us.


Speaking as a citizen of the country that wrote the book (new window) on these particular kinds of anti-terrorist operations, fark you.

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2012-03-09 04:48:20 AM  
I guess there won't be a movie?
 
2012-03-09 04:49:33 AM  
Yeah, there's something we're not being told at this time if 40 special forces were in a firefight for 7 hours and /only/ 2 bad guys (that we know about) are confirmed dead.
Sure we'll hear the full story soon, or when someone writes a book about it.
 
2012-03-09 04:50:19 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, that's terrible, but the main thing I took away from the article is that the Nigerian president's name is "Goodluck Jonthan".


It's Nigeria; he's gonna need it.

intelligent comment below: Relatively Obscure: To be fair, the SEALs didn't have to try to rescue anyone during their most famous recent endeavor.

They rescued hostages just a few weeks ago. Rescued a ship crew as well.

The problem I see here is the SAS worked with Nigerian military in the rescue attempt. They should have gone alone.


SAS is the Army version.
 
2012-03-09 04:50:33 AM  
Iranian Embassy anyone?

Hostage situations are crap, no matter how fast the team is, if the hostage takers first reaction is shiat kill the hostages then there's no way to get them out.

Anyway considering that in 2010 US commandos managed to blow up the hostage they were after it might be a bit soon to slight our special forces.

/Yeah yeah, killed Bin Laden, shiat - any countries team could have done that, just needed to know where he was and surprise them.
 
2012-03-09 04:55:01 AM  

intelligent comment below: The problem I see here is the SAS worked with Nigerian military in the rescue attempt. They should have gone alone.


Why?
 
2012-03-09 04:59:20 AM  
Yeah, entering an undefended house and killing an unarmed, sleeping man and several other unarmed people, including a woman, is like the battle of Stalingrad for Americans.

Didn't the Seals recently actually kill a hostage they were trying to rescue in Afghanistan?
 
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2012-03-09 05:00:06 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: That does suck. Next time, Britain, please call the pros. I'm sure your credit is still good with us.


Exactly. The pro way to have hostages die is to kill them yourself. With a grenade.

Bravo Seals, bravo.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/13/linda-norgrove-us-command o -disciplinary
 
2012-03-09 05:01:16 AM  
wow that sucks. I wonder why they couldn't breach the compound and why it took 7 farking hours?
 
2012-03-09 05:02:47 AM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Well, that's terrible, but the main thing I took away from the article is that the Nigerian president's name is "Goodluck Jonthan".


We're all counting on him.
 
2012-03-09 05:03:31 AM  

Maul555: wow that sucks. I wonder why they couldn't breach the compound and why it took 7 farking hours?


Had to break for tea time, didn't they? Wouldn't be proper otherwise.
 
2012-03-09 05:03:44 AM  
I'm not even going to read the article and assume that a compound wall had nothing to do with it.
 
2012-03-09 05:06:52 AM  

Lord Summerisle: Yeah, entering an undefended house and killing an unarmed, sleeping man and several other unarmed people, including a woman, is like the battle of Stalingrad for Americans.

Didn't the Seals recently actually kill a hostage they were trying to rescue in Afghanistan?


Those were probably Sea Lions.
 
2012-03-09 05:06:53 AM  
They look better after a 8 month capture than Gitmo prisoners after 8 month
 
2012-03-09 05:08:22 AM  

Maul555: wow that sucks. I wonder why they couldn't breach the compound and why it took 7 farking hours?


Im just guessing that the armed, trained soldiers that were holding the hostages captive with months to prepare a defense might have had something to do with it.

/ special forces, while formidable, aren't all powerful wizards, you realize?
 
2012-03-09 05:11:47 AM  
At least they didn't kill the hostage with a grenade.
 
2012-03-09 05:14:17 AM  

lucksi: They look better after a 8 month capture than Gitmo prisoners after 8 month


they look better dead?
 
2012-03-09 05:15:59 AM  

Lord Summerisle: Yeah, entering an undefended house and killing an unarmed, sleeping man and several other unarmed people, including a woman, is like the battle of Stalingrad for Americans.

Didn't the Seals recently actually kill a hostage they were trying to rescue in Afghanistan?


American's love themselves a bit of friendly fire!!!
 
2012-03-09 05:16:14 AM  
This thread is full of fail: stop the jingoism, and 'i know you are but what am I?'s

/RIP to the innocent
//nobody's at fault except the hostage takers
 
2012-03-09 05:21:43 AM  
In all fairness, extraction raids in Africa rarely seem to go right.

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2012-03-09 05:24:41 AM  
Why are there British soldiers in Nigeria again? I thought they stopped being a colonial power already.

Oh, wait the Falkland Islands. Nevermind.
 
2012-03-09 05:27:19 AM  

crumblecat: To be fair, Seal Team Six did not get their target out alive either. Although that may not have been their main priority.

The SBS are hard-ass pros, but sometimes there is no way to win.


This.

Sometimes there is no winning. However, sometimes the attempt shouldnt be made.
 
2012-03-09 05:30:42 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Why are there British soldiers in Nigeria again? I thought they stopped being a colonial power already.

Oh, wait the Falkland Islands. Nevermind.


So you're saying Taiwan should capitulate to the Chinese?
 
2012-03-09 05:34:33 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Why are there British soldiers in Nigeria again? I thought they stopped being a colonial power already.

Oh, wait the Falkland Islands. Nevermind.


Judging by the Nigerian soldiers, the British soldiers had permission from Nigeria to be there. Unlike a certain country we know that habitually violates countries sovereignty.

Falkland-wise, no-one else has a stronger claim to the islands, the Argentine one is ridiculously flimsy.
 
2012-03-09 05:40:05 AM  
About 40 men - 20 from the SBS, up to 12 Royal Marine Commandos plus Nigerian troops - converged on the hideout in the city of Sokoto.

I think I see the problem. Their arrival was probably not a surprise.
 
2012-03-09 05:43:24 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Oh, wait the Falkland Islands. Nevermind.



not quite.

especially considering the only people on the island are 100% culturally british, always have been, were the first people to settle the uninhabited island in the first place, and have been there since well before argentina was even a country.

argentina is the only one trying to be a colonial power there, they are just dismally failing at it.
 
2012-03-09 05:46:33 AM  
And from The Sun in 1952..

"Brits impressed to see 'Special Forces' warfare adopted by US military only ten years after pioneering effort by Colonel David Stirling and the SAS."

By Jingo! You Americans an be one eyed!
 
2012-03-09 05:47:15 AM  
US 'experts' stormed a compound and killed the hostage with grenades recently. People who live in glass houses...
 
2012-03-09 05:49:45 AM  

VonEvilstein: Speaking as a citizen of the country that wrote the book (new window) on these particular kinds of anti-terrorist operations, fark you.


oh, come on. britain has never been good at asymmetrical warfare. even when they were still a first-world nation.

you would think they would have figured it out, but if they haven't by now i don't think its gonna happen anytime soon, seeing how they have kept getting constant lessons in having their ass handed to them on a platter in that kind of warfare since at least the 1770's.
 
2012-03-09 05:56:16 AM  
CliChe Guevara:oh, come on. britain has never been good at asymmetrical warfare. even when they were still a first-world nation..

America had Vietnam, Britain had Malaya.

Well, except for the fact that Britain roundly defeated its communist opponents in their jungle country, while you got your asses handed to you.

Yeah, we're utterly terrible at asymmetric warfare.
 
2012-03-09 05:56:29 AM  

VonEvilstein: Benevolent Misanthrope: That does suck. Next time, Britain, please call the pros. I'm sure your credit is still good with us.

Speaking as a citizen of the country that wrote the book (new window) on these particular kinds of anti-terrorist operations, fark you.

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CliChe Guevara: VonEvilstein: Speaking as a citizen of the country that wrote the book (new window) on these particular kinds of anti-terrorist operations, fark you.

oh, come on. britain has never been good at asymmetrical warfare. even when they were still a first-world nation.

you would think they would have figured it out, but if they haven't by now i don't think its gonna happen anytime soon, seeing how they have kept getting constant lessons in having their ass handed to them on a platter in that kind of warfare since at least the 1770's.



GB has been dealing with counter-insurgency/CT operations well before the US was putting something together. COL Beckwith, the founder of Delta, modeled the Delta force after the SAS. The US has had it's fair share of CT failures, notably, the Desert One fiasco. The SAS has performed a large number of CI/CT operaitons in Northern Ireland during the "Troubles" period, long before the watershed event at the Munich Olympics. The Brits, in fact, were further along than most other nations in dealing with terrorism.

Our Special Forces, to include SEALs were primarily dealing with supporting the conventional fight through covert ops, not dealing with terrorism.
 
2012-03-09 05:57:08 AM  

CliChe Guevara: oh, come on. britain has never been good at asymmetrical warfare. even when they were still a first-world nation.

you would think they would have figured it out, but if they haven't by now i don't think its gonna happen anytime soon, seeing how they have kept getting constant lessons in having their ass handed to them on a platter in that kind of warfare since at least the 1770's.


They must have been doing something right circa 1900. Even in the Boer War, they had problems at the beginning, but they won in the end, didn't they? Don't underestimate the ruthlessness and effectiveness of the British Empire at its peak.
 
2012-03-09 05:59:37 AM  
Jesus, you people are pitiful.
 
2012-03-09 05:59:59 AM  

H31N0US: About 40 men - 20 from the SBS, up to 12 Royal Marine Commandos plus Nigerian troops - converged on the hideout in the city of Sokoto.

I think I see the problem. Their arrival was probably not a surprise.


Already covered I see.

Involving the locals in operations always seems to be a bad idea. You tell them what went down after your people are safe.
 
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