Cyclometh: "Right to work" and "at will" mean the same thing.

You are so ignorant that hard to stop laughing long enough to correct you:
RTW defined. (new window)
"At will" defined. (new window)

Welcome to Yellow 4, the color of idiots and trolls.

Y'know, even if you were to assume that this story is true (which it's almost certainly not) - if he's listening to far-right-wing talk radio, there's a non-zero chance that he is a Nazi.

Teknowaffle: It flexes your thinking muscles to listen to something that doesn't confirm your beliefs

This is wrong. People need to stop believing this feel-good garbage.

This kind of belief system is PRECISELY WHY the political discourse in this nation is so f*cking off-kilter. People SHOULD listen and respond to things that do not confirm their beliefs, or what can make them think about things from a new perspective. People SHOULD open their mind and try to discover what "the other guy" is saying. WITHIN REASON.

People SHOULD NOT listen to what amounts to hate speech on the American airwaves. People like Rush SHOULD be treated like the bitter old family member who nobody wants to acknowledge because all he does is complain about minorities, women, the poor, drug users, and so forth. What Rush (and his kind) are doing is making the argument so absurd that it is tearing apart the fabric of public decorum, because they are a faucet of hate, "Lies with Statistics," and manipulation of fearful individuals. Frankly, I'd go on, but I don't want to Godwin this place... no, they aren't Nazis or Hitler, but they certainly HAVE taken a few lessons from Hitler's oratory style and the propaganda machine of Goebbels.

Diogenes: Um...maybe you're not supposed to listen to the radio during work hours?

LasersHurt: Right. They were fired for NO reason other than listening to conservative radio. Also, his band got kicked out of a place JUST for playing Christian music.

This all sounds legit.

His next move is to sue the Powerball office because Jeebus told him the winning numbers that week but the correct numbered balls didn't fall into the tubes. Obviously a plot to keep the God Warriors down.

dickfreckle: You are entirely correct, but should afford those of us who routinely deal with Rushbots in real life some latitude to doubt his story. I have never encountered a clique of goons so quick to claim employer or gubmit persecution than your average Limbaugh-Christian. It's part of their flawed disposition and you know it. These people spend ask day looking for ways to whine and bristle about how they are being silenced or otherwise punished by some vaguely defined but totally real conspiracy.

Agreed.

Some people who listen to loud radio hosts that biatch about unions, how employees should be thankful their bosses employ them at all, who told amusing "anecdotes" about bosses firing employees that had Obama bumper stickers, and how a certain demographic-du-jour, be it [gays/blacks/women] have a perpetual victim mentality.

When these people are terminated from their at-will employment because their bosses despise their politics, precisely the rules they so often cheer for others to be forced to follow, they are the first to play the perpetual, professional victim card. Despite being a victim only of the rules they advocate, agree with, and vote for.

Demanding people express outrage for this is ridiculous.

It's the perpetual victim's way of saying "shelter me from my own disaster", like the ACLU bailed out Rush. No, asshole, you have bootstraps, as you've so often reminded us. Pull yourself up by them. What a convenient excuse for these people it is, when the very liberals they mock are the very people they run to cower behind and demand protection from. "Please, please, now that my monster has gotten out of hand and turned on me, please protect me from it!" We tried. You didn't listen. You reaped what you sowed.

What they're asking is as cowardly and sniveling as a Khmer Rouge soldier shouting "if you're here because you hate death, then you can't kill me!"

You don't get a free pass just because you SHOULD have listened to us all along. If that was the way it worked, the snide little man-children would get their way every time, either whining and screaming and getting their way over our protests, or whining and screaming and getting their way because of our protests. Heads I win, tails you lose. fark that.

phaseolus: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not familiar with Belling


He's smart. As you might expect, he doesn't stray from the party line, but he thinks on his feet quite well. Sometimes he's filled in for Limbaugh.

But he's got this awful, sneering, snide, superior style of speaking in a voice that's extremely nasal even for a white guy. It can peel paint off the wall. Imagine the most annoying asshole you went to junior high with, delivering insults and taunts in that obnoxious nyah-nyah tone that kids use. Now imagine that same tone coming from a guy in his 50s and you'd be pretty close to the mark.

He also looks like farking Beavis.

One maintenance grunt in the warehouse where I work listens to that station. If I had to go back there more than once every three months I would definitely think of complaining.

IXI Jim IXI: Diogenes: Hmmm. Sluts are fun, but Nazis are into some freaky shiat. Tough call.

Just don't ever accept the offer of a shower from one.

Which one?

/this is important

LasersHurt: Right. They were fired for NO reason other than listening to conservative radio. Also, his band got kicked out of a place JUST for playing Christian music.

This all sounds legit.

Or as I like to call it, "Shiat-that-never-happened.jpg"

The Dog Ate My Homework: I have no problem with this. I would never hire a person who listens to conservative radio, and if I found an employee listening to conservative radio at work, I'd fire him or her. Don't like it? Tough shiat. Go work for a conservative.

A person's politics is none of your farking business. Just like a person's sexual preference or religion or favorite sports team is none of your farking business. Firing someone because they are conservative is no different than firing someone because they are gay.

I don't think you understand what civil rights actually mean.

OgreMagi:

A person's politics is none of your farking business. Just like a person's sexual preference or religion or favorite sports team is none of your farking business. Firing someone because they are conservative is no different than firing someone because they are gay.

I don't think you understand what civil rights actually mean.

I do agree with you, but I have a funny feeling that this guy wasn't canned simply for listening to Limbaugh. And here's why: First, this guy worked at a plant in Elkhorn/Walworth County, Wisconsin. While it's not the most conservative county in the state, it's not Madison either. Go back six years and you've got this guy whining because his Jeebus band wasn't allowed to play at a Starbucks in Greenfield, WI. Is Greenfield a liberal hive? Nope, in fact Greenfield and the other Southwest suburbs of Milwaukee would make a great testing ground for Archie Bunker clones. In no instance was this man victimized by bunches of liberals.

So it appears that this man was simply a pain in the ass and got whiny when his co-workers didn't buy into what he's selling. So should someone be fired simply for being conservative? Absolutely not. But if they use the workplace to pontificate, then an employer has every legal and moral right to show him the door.

OgreMagi: I don't think you understand what civil rights actually mean.

Right, and being, say, a Nazi is absolutely no different from being a Jew. And being a rapist is no different from being a rape victim. If only we were blessed with some sort of cognitive process that allowed us to distinguish between arbitrary concepts.

Here's the point: a lot of America is getting tired of the idea that Republicans can run amok, doing whatever twisted, batshiat idiocy they so desire, because opposing them might make us "just as bad as they are." And that's really the game Republicans are playing, isn't it? They get to act like bigoted Tools, yet let anyone try to stand up to them and they scream "See?!? SEE?!? They're claim to be better than us, but they're trying to STOP us!"

Screw that. It's time for the decent people of this planet to stand up and plant a gigantic boot right up the ass of the Republican Party, and all those who facilitate it.

Mavent: Here's the point: a lot of America is getting tired of the idea that Republicans can run amok, doing whatever twisted, batshiat idiocy they so desire, because opposing them might make us "just as bad as they are." And that's really the game Republicans are playing, isn't it? They get to act like bigoted Tools, yet let anyone try to stand up to them and they scream "See?!? SEE?!? They're claim to be better than us, but they're trying to STOP us!"

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Mavent: OgreMagi: I don't think you understand what civil rights actually mean.

Right, and being, say, a Nazi is absolutely no different from being a Jew. And being a rapist is no different from being a rape victim. If only we were blessed with some sort of cognitive process that allowed us to distinguish between arbitrary concepts.

Here's the point: a lot of America is getting tired of the idea that Republicans can run amok, doing whatever twisted, batshiat idiocy they so desire, because opposing them might make us "just as bad as they are." And that's really the game Republicans are playing, isn't it? They get to act like bigoted Tools, yet let anyone try to stand up to them and they scream "See?!? SEE?!? They're claim to be better than us, but they're trying to STOP us!"

Screw that. It's time for the decent people of this planet to stand up and plant a gigantic boot right up the ass of the Republican Party, and all those who facilitate it.

Godwin. What bullshiat. You are comparing republicans to nazis? I'm going to guess that you slept through every history class you ever took in school.

OgreMagi: Godwin. What bullshiat. You are comparing republicans to nazis?

Are you on farking drugs? He's doing no such thing. He's distinguishing between aggressors and their targets.

Also OMG GODWIN! I wish you retards understood that that is not some sort of argument trump card. Or even relevant in any way.

Kittypie070: wow, Ogre missed that by a couple parsecs.

And it was so obvious!

I'm not the one who said he would never give someone a job based on their political affiliation. I consider that on the level of not hiring someone based on race or religion. Then he offered up excuses that don't seem that much different than you would hear from a racist for not hiring a black man.

OgreMagi, the fact of the matter is that Hitler comparisons are only "bad" when they're not accurate. Saying "Yankees fans are worse than Hitler" is bad. Saying "Hitler bathed, so therefore anyone that bathes is like Hitler" is bad. Invoking Hitler in a thread that's already got the word "Nazi" in the the title TWICE doesn't seem so much like a Godwin violation as it does "required based on content."

But that aside, there are, in fact, a lot of GREAT and fully appropriate situations wherein one can, and should, invoke Hitler. For example, let's say a manufactured outrage wherein a group of fascist assholes are trying to make themselves look like victims by staging a series of "attacks" on themselves, all the while happily trying to destroy the right and lives of everyone around them.

FTFA: Nobody should have to endure prosecution for listening to the radio or giving an opinion.

In that same vein, nobody should be forced to listen to your Nazi radio shows while they're at work. I'm with the boss.

mrshowrules: When two people are arguing politics in the office and it is disruptive. I think the obvious solution is to fire both of them.

I've been in the work force for 27 years and have never even heard two people at the work place arguing politics before. Universal rule is well known.

try working for a small family run joint that you are not a member of said family.

i guess it isn't so much arguing, as it is 4 members of the same family moaning about taxes... and how a millionaire is not a millionaire or something.

/tries not to pay attention, but it's difficult in such a small room.

Mavent: OgreMagi, the fact of the matter is that Hitler comparisons are only "bad" when they're not accurate irrelevant.

FTFY

Hitler liked dogs is, in fact, an accurate statement. It's just irrelevant because his enjoyment of our fine canine companions has no bearing on Hitler's politics. It's a perfect accurate statement -- Hitler did like dogs, was anti-smoking, enjoyed nature and conservation -- but none of these things are meaningful comparisons.

What made Hitler (and his party) morally repugnant was a) their reliance on persecuting out-groups to alleviate their perceived victimization by those out-groups (Jews in particular), b) reliance on a belief in exceptionalism and c) their reliance on violence and murder against peoples in a) to enforce and justify the notion in c).

This is the matter of relevancy at play here. What this radio listener fails to understand -- if his story is assumed to be true -- and he enjoys listening to libertarian-leaning, pro-at will employment folks, then he cannot a) beg for the rules to be enforced and b) consider himself exceptional, and therefore above those rules.

Is it a valid comparison, then? The answer is yes. The difference is in degrees (several billion degrees separated, but still), not in deed.