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(Pro Football Talk)   Peyton Manning sweepstakes Power Rankings. We've just gone to full retard   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 93
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2012-03-08 02:25:25 PM  
ughhh way to crap out a list nbc sports, congratz on keeping it on one page

teams that make sense (49ers, Texans, Cards)
teams with an outside shot (fins, skins, jets)
crazy talk (broncos, chiefs, raiders)
 
2012-03-08 02:29:36 PM  
Wow really? Cowboys num 6? I would take a perpetually above avg (though flawed) Tony Romo any day over someone who just had 4 neck surgery's. Peytons great but no way do I trust his health. Besides we (dallas) like tony..
 
2012-03-08 02:30:06 PM  
When Peypey worked out at Duke everyone was saying he couldn't make the throws and the injury seemed to be bothering him still.

Has anyone seen him start making those throws? Or is he still a guy who has been pro for 13 years, has a possibly career ending injury, and is trading on name alone at this point?
 
2012-03-08 02:33:10 PM  
Just gone? WTF are you talking about, the NFL is always in full retard mode.
 
2012-03-08 02:33:57 PM  

ha-ha-guy:
and is trading on name alone at this point?


Thats what ive taken out of this. There are maybe 5 teams who should pursue this and only if its at a significant pay cut or make the contract incentive heavy.If it works out, then great but too big a price tag to make it worth whats pretty much a crapshoot.
 
2012-03-08 02:34:02 PM  
He should go to the Browns in a reverse Lebron.
 
2012-03-08 02:34:18 PM  

Shakes999: Wow really? Cowboys num 6? I would take a perpetually above avg (though flawed) Tony Romo any day over someone who just had 4 neck surgery's. Peytons great but no way do I trust his health. Besides we (dallas) like tony..


We like good Tony who plays well with a broken collar bone, not bad Tony who fumbles on the 1-yard line for essentially the game winning TD or throws a poorly timed pass that gets intercepted yet again and chokes another game away Tony.
 
2012-03-08 02:37:45 PM  
The only four that make sense are the Jets, Chiefs, Niners, and Seahawks, in that order. Talking about any other teams is just insane.
 
2012-03-08 02:38:58 PM  
"Full retard" and PFT are redundant, so I'm loathe to accuse them of overthinking this subject, but here they have. Only a handful of teams will seriously pursue Peyton, because if his neck goes bad (or worse), it's money down the pipes. Teams with no inhibitions about spending that money would include Washington, Miami and maybe the Texans. The first two of these can trade up and get a fresh new face at QB though. Broncos? eh, maybe. He'd have nobody to throw to.

And then there's the dome vs. non-dome team debate. Not touching that one.
 
2012-03-08 02:42:34 PM  
That Texans noise is ridiculous. If Schaub had been healthy the whole year he'd have probably been a 4000+ yard/24TD QB for the third straight year. Completely healthy Manning might still be an upgrade over Schaub, but "Completely healthy" is still somewhat of an "if", and he's not so much of an upgrade that you should risk completely dividing your team.

/We got good BBQ Peyton
 
2012-03-08 02:44:34 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: The only four that make sense are the Jets, Chiefs, Niners, and Seahawks, in that order. Talking about any other teams is just insane.


I would probably swap the Jets or Chefs with the Cards and I would agree with you.
 
2012-03-08 02:47:06 PM  

JerseyTim: He should go to the Browns in a reverse Lebron.


but actually sign with the Patriots in a play-action fake?
 
2012-03-08 02:47:26 PM  
The Eagles being so low for the reason of Vick is dumb.

The eagles could easily off-load vick for a mid-level pick if they wanted to go in this direction.
 
2012-03-08 02:48:59 PM  

CognaciousThunk: "Full retard" and PFT are redundant, so I'm loathe to accuse them of overthinking this subject, but here they have. Only a handful of teams will seriously pursue Peyton, because if his neck goes bad (or worse), it's money down the pipes. Teams with no inhibitions about spending that money would include Washington, Miami and maybe the Texans. The first two of these can trade up and get a fresh new face at QB though. Broncos? eh, maybe. He'd have nobody to throw to.

And then there's the dome vs. non-dome team debate. Not touching that one.


I think he'd play for a non-dome team, but it would have to be a warm weather non-dome team. I really think it boils down to either the Dolphins or Texans. He is working out in S. Florida with Wayne and he already owns a condo there. They have solid offense, but its still lacking. Houston has the offense. Most noteably, and I'm really surprised I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, a good Tight End. Its already been shown how much Manning relied on Clark. I really think Daniels could be a key factor in his decision.
 
2012-03-08 02:52:11 PM  

Shakes999: Wow really? Cowboys num 6?


The Cowboys drive clicks. Awkwardly insert them into as many stories as possible!

It's really the best explanation for them being so high, as well as previous media-centered "speculation" about them trading up for Robert Griffin.

Although, the Dallas entry did contain this gem:

Peyton could provide someone who likely won't make a big mistake in a clutch moment of a key game.

As a Saints fan, I was amused.
 
2012-03-08 02:55:48 PM  
Cards...book it, done.

Peyton to Fitz? Yes please.
 
2012-03-08 02:59:47 PM  

Shakes999: ha-ha-guy:
and is trading on name alone at this point?

Thats what ive taken out of this. There are maybe 5 teams who should pursue this and only if its at a significant pay cut or make the contract incentive heavy.If it works out, then great but too big a price tag to make it worth whats pretty much a crapshoot.


Agreed. I'd also be in favor of Detroit taking Manning, if Manning was willing to take a lesser salary and be a player-coach. Of course if he was willing to do that, he would have stayed in Indy to mentor Luck.

I just struggle to see the attraction of Manning as your starter. Even if he is 100% recovered from the injury, he's 35 which is old by league standards. The franchise gets a couple years of Peyton before his age ends his career. Matt Flynn or any other number of young options at least give a chance you get a franchise QB. Peyton is a guy who takes up a lot of cap space with no chance for long term return. It seems more like he hurts you since signing him takes up as much room or multiple talented young free agents would cost and those young guys could lock down positions for 8+ years versus a few years our of Peyton.

Of course some owner will sign Peyton for the hype, continue paying shiat for the talent on the rest of the team, and well yeah, Dan Snyder...
 
2012-03-08 03:00:09 PM  

iron_city_ap: CognaciousThunk: "Full retard" and PFT are redundant, so I'm loathe to accuse them of overthinking this subject, but here they have. Only a handful of teams will seriously pursue Peyton, because if his neck goes bad (or worse), it's money down the pipes. Teams with no inhibitions about spending that money would include Washington, Miami and maybe the Texans. The first two of these can trade up and get a fresh new face at QB though. Broncos? eh, maybe. He'd have nobody to throw to.

And then there's the dome vs. non-dome team debate. Not touching that one.

I think he'd play for a non-dome team, but it would have to be a warm weather non-dome team. I really think it boils down to either the Dolphins or Texans. He is working out in S. Florida with Wayne and he already owns a condo there. They have solid offense, but its still lacking. Houston has the offense. Most noteably, and I'm really surprised I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, a good Tight End. Its already been shown how much Manning relied on Clark. I really think Daniels could be a key factor in his decision.


Yep, TE is huge and so is the line; Houston gave up way fewer sacks than either Miami or Arizona did last year. (I thought Jake Long was supposed to be good, what happened?)
 
2012-03-08 03:00:48 PM  
I would put the saints a whole lot higher, Peyton is from there, his dad played there, and drew seems to want a shiat ton of money and with the draft picks they are bound to lose over bountygate they will need draft picks and trading him would get those picks.
 
2012-03-08 03:20:16 PM  
Oakland at 14? Did Florio think it's 1990 and there's no salary cap?
 
2012-03-08 03:20:46 PM  
He won't play for the Jets.

Reasons: Won't play in the same town as Eli
Jets team is dysfunctional and not as good as advertised
Cold weather
would want too much money
Not sure if the Jets want another Testaverde incidence
What do you do with Sanchez, you're on the hook for him
Jets want to go back to the ground game
 
2012-03-08 03:28:35 PM  

Gunderson: Reasons: Won't play in the same town as Eli


Really? That seems to be a plus and did you really just compare Peyton Manning to Testaverde? Thats like comparing a pile of shiat on a plate to filet mignon.
 
2012-03-08 03:28:53 PM  
 
2012-03-08 03:33:59 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Shakes999: ha-ha-guy:
and is trading on name alone at this point?

Thats what ive taken out of this. There are maybe 5 teams who should pursue this and only if its at a significant pay cut or make the contract incentive heavy.If it works out, then great but too big a price tag to make it worth whats pretty much a crapshoot.

Agreed. I'd also be in favor of Detroit taking Manning, if Manning was willing to take a lesser salary and be a player-coach. Of course if he was willing to do that, he would have stayed in Indy to mentor Luck.

I just struggle to see the attraction of Manning as your starter. Even if he is 100% recovered from the injury, he's 35 which is old by league standards. The franchise gets a couple years of Peyton before his age ends his career. Matt Flynn or any other number of young options at least give a chance you get a franchise QB. Peyton is a guy who takes up a lot of cap space with no chance for long term return. It seems more like he hurts you since signing him takes up as much room or multiple talented young free agents would cost and those young guys could lock down positions for 8+ years versus a few years our of Peyton.

Of course some owner will sign Peyton for the hype, continue paying shiat for the talent on the rest of the team, and well yeah, Dan Snyder...


Maybe you didn't watch this past year, but that guy that Detroit has just threw for 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns, and led them to the playoffs for the first time this millennium.
 
2012-03-08 03:36:46 PM  

steamingpile: Gunderson: Reasons: Won't play in the same town as Eli

Really? That seems to be a plus and did you really just compare Peyton Manning to Testaverde? Thats like comparing a pile of shiat on a plate to filet mignon.


A) I'm comparing the fact that the Jets told a shot at an older QB who had injuries and got burned by it.

B) I don't think they would both want to deal with the NY press asking each other every week about how the other one is doing

C) I do think Payton will end up in the AFC, so to not cock-block Eli from getting to the Super bowl.
 
2012-03-08 03:41:09 PM  

meanmutton: ha-ha-guy: Shakes999: ha-ha-guy:
and is trading on name alone at this point?

Thats what ive taken out of this. There are maybe 5 teams who should pursue this and only if its at a significant pay cut or make the contract incentive heavy.If it works out, then great but too big a price tag to make it worth whats pretty much a crapshoot.

Agreed. I'd also be in favor of Detroit taking Manning, if Manning was willing to take a lesser salary and be a player-coach. Of course if he was willing to do that, he would have stayed in Indy to mentor Luck.

I just struggle to see the attraction of Manning as your starter. Even if he is 100% recovered from the injury, he's 35 which is old by league standards. The franchise gets a couple years of Peyton before his age ends his career. Matt Flynn or any other number of young options at least give a chance you get a franchise QB. Peyton is a guy who takes up a lot of cap space with no chance for long term return. It seems more like he hurts you since signing him takes up as much room or multiple talented young free agents would cost and those young guys could lock down positions for 8+ years versus a few years our of Peyton.

Of course some owner will sign Peyton for the hype, continue paying shiat for the talent on the rest of the team, and well yeah, Dan Snyder...

Maybe you didn't watch this past year, but that guy that Detroit has just threw for 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns, and led them to the playoffs for the first time this millennium.


Amen...if not for Brees and Rodgers, Stafford would have been in the headlines every week. Only what...4 QBs have thrown for over 5000 yards??
 
2012-03-08 03:45:52 PM  
Manning to Seattle because it would just be raucous entertainment. He has to wear #4 just to mess with Tavaris Jackson's head. Can you imagine Peyton having a great ground attack. Pete Carrol is just the perfect coach for Peyton, and the fans will crank it up past 12.

chicksinthehuddle.com
 
2012-03-08 03:46:36 PM  
Along with Chumbawumba's Greatest Hits, this might be the most pointless list in history and should have been left at a few teams.

So what if Brees got tagged? The issue now isn't his salary, but how much will be front-loaded. It's not how I hoped things would go, but Brees isn't going anywhere.

Meh, my point is, why this exhaustive list that gets more absurd as you scroll? He is a 35 y/o player seeking a last couple years as a contender, and this list should reflect only that.
 
2012-03-08 03:46:48 PM  

Gunderson: A) I'm comparing the fact that the Jets told a shot at an older QB who had injuries and got burned by it.


The difference is that testaverde was barely a back up to start with, I think peyton proved how much he means to a team when the dolts went in the shiatter once he left, no team that testaverde was on would do that poorly if he was not there.
 
2012-03-08 03:47:25 PM  

iron_city_ap: He is working out in S. Florida with Wayne and he already owns a condo there. They have solid offense, but its still lacking


I like Matt Moore, but the offense there wouldn't be lacking if they had Wayne, Marshall, and Manning. And Bush has proven that if you actually give him carries, he can produce at a decent clip until he gets injured.
 
2012-03-08 03:48:08 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: The only four that make sense are the Jets, Chiefs, Niners, and Seahawks, in that order. Talking about any other teams is just insane.


And the Jets are going to sign him with what? They blew their Cap last year.
It's gonna be the Dolphins or Arizona.
 
2012-03-08 03:53:01 PM  
Posted by Mike Florio

Well, there's your problem, right there!
 
2012-03-08 03:55:11 PM  

meanmutton: Maybe you didn't watch this past year, but that guy that Detroit has just threw for 5,000 yards and 40 touchdowns, and led them to the playoffs for the first time this millennium.


Try reading the rest of that section. "As a player-coach" and "lesser salar" being the operative parts. If you can get Manning to help educate Stafford and as a second string QB at a reasonable price, of course you take that deal. Detroit being of course an example of a team that might find such a deal attractive. Actually most teams that don't have someone like Brady or Brees running the show would likely find it attractive.

/plus your third string guy is also learning from Peyton which might increase his trade value or make him not completely suck if you ended up going that far down the depth chart
 
2012-03-08 03:57:01 PM  

Gunderson: steamingpile: Gunderson: Reasons: Won't play in the same town as Eli

Really? That seems to be a plus and did you really just compare Peyton Manning to Testaverde? Thats like comparing a pile of shiat on a plate to filet mignon.

A) I'm comparing the fact that the Jets told a shot at an older QB who had injuries and got burned by it.

B) I don't think they would both want to deal with the NY press asking each other every week about how the other one is doing

C) I do think Payton will end up in the AFC, so to not cock-block Eli from getting to the Super bowl.


and add Rex in the mix, I doubt PM always wants to be the smartest guy in the room, everyday.
 
2012-03-08 03:57:56 PM  
If this list were a pancake, it would be a bad pancake.

Cowboys at 6? Seriously, lol.
 
2012-03-08 04:02:31 PM  
why bother putting teams like Green Bay and Indianapolis on the list? You don't have to list every single team.

oh, and 49ers isn't going to happen. they went 13-3 with Alex Smith and made it to the NFC championship game. So you add Peyton Manning? How much better can you really do? Is it worth it? Mayyyybe he gets you to the SB for one year. And then he retires and you have no QB and Alex Smith is gone.
 
2012-03-08 04:03:27 PM  

Treygreen13: If this list were a pancake, it would be a bad pancake.

Cowboys at 6? Seriously, lol.


Yeah, as much as the Cowboys can suck it, Romo isn't that bad. He's had bad games sure, but overall, I wouldn't trade him for a risky (and pricey) investment just yet.

I still say Arizona will be his next stop. Miami would be appealing if Wayne were to follow him down there (Manning has a summer home there, friends with Marino, Wayne is a former Hurricane, etc) but I just don't think Peyton wants to deal with 90+ degree heat for 1/2 of the season. It's Miami...it's hot...rains a lot. He's a dome guy. The only dome team that 'really' is in the running is Arizona.
 
2012-03-08 04:04:11 PM  
I have no idea why I am excited about the possibility of Manning being in a Texans jersey. No way it happens.
 
2012-03-08 04:04:47 PM  

IAmRight: iron_city_ap: He is working out in S. Florida with Wayne and he already owns a condo there. They have solid offense, but its still lacking

I like Matt Moore, but the offense there wouldn't be lacking if they had Wayne, Marshall, and Manning. And Bush has proven that if you actually give him carries, he can produce at a decent clip until he gets injured.


I agree. As the roster stands right now, its lacking beyond just the QB. They need a better #2WR option, and a TE. Like I said in my post, he likes his TEs. I really think he will consider who he would have at the position. I do think he will bring Wayne with him, or at least push really hard to and I think Miami would be more likely to be willing to bring him in than the Texans, but Houston has a more complete package. Too many variables to try and guess what is going on in his head, and behind the scenes.

To me, it really is a toss up between the two. Assuming they both are interested. You could argue convincingly for either.
 
2012-03-08 04:05:37 PM  
Is there something about Schaub I don't know, I thought he was a stud for the Texans. I'm surprised at all this talk about Manning to the Texans.
 
2012-03-08 04:06:01 PM  

CognaciousThunk: iron_city_ap: CognaciousThunk: "Full retard" and PFT are redundant, so I'm loathe to accuse them of overthinking this subject, but here they have. Only a handful of teams will seriously pursue Peyton, because if his neck goes bad (or worse), it's money down the pipes. Teams with no inhibitions about spending that money would include Washington, Miami and maybe the Texans. The first two of these can trade up and get a fresh new face at QB though. Broncos? eh, maybe. He'd have nobody to throw to.

And then there's the dome vs. non-dome team debate. Not touching that one.

I think he'd play for a non-dome team, but it would have to be a warm weather non-dome team. I really think it boils down to either the Dolphins or Texans. He is working out in S. Florida with Wayne and he already owns a condo there. They have solid offense, but its still lacking. Houston has the offense. Most noteably, and I'm really surprised I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, a good Tight End. Its already been shown how much Manning relied on Clark. I really think Daniels could be a key factor in his decision.

Yep, TE is huge and so is the line; Houston gave up way fewer sacks than either Miami or Arizona did last year. (I thought Jake Long was supposed to be good, what happened?)


Jake Long IS a very good player; Marc Colombo, however was the worst RT in the league last year (he gave up 9 sacks, 9 hits, and 35 hurries according to profootballfocus).
 
2012-03-08 04:17:49 PM  
He'll play for the London Silly Nannies before he plays for the Cardinals.
 
2012-03-08 04:22:48 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Manning to Seattle because it would just be raucous entertainment. He has to wear #4 just to mess with Tavaris Jackson's head. Can you imagine Peyton having a great ground attack. Pete Carrol is just the perfect coach for Peyton, and the fans will crank it up past 12.


The Seahags barely beat Kevin Kolb and got Fitzgerald'd with Skelton behind center. Pete Carrol is the perfect coach to go 7-9 indefinitely.
 
2012-03-08 04:27:59 PM  

Harry_Seldon: Can you imagine Peyton having a great ground attack. Pete Carrol is just the perfect coach for Peyton, and the fans will crank it up past 12.


You mean imagine a fictional universe where Peyton had Edgerrin James getting 1500 yds back to back or Joseph Addai averaging almost five yards a carry en route to a super bowl victory? I can almost imagine that, but it's just so crazy I can't quite do it.
 
2012-03-08 04:30:00 PM  

Treygreen13: Cowboys at 6? Seriously, lol.


That's just the 'you know, every now and then Jerry Jones does something crazy' factor. Not gonna happen.
 
2012-03-08 04:34:25 PM  

Publikwerks: And the Jets are going to sign him with what? They blew their Cap last year.


They're gonna sign him with money. They can easily restructure several contracts and outright release others to create the space. You're telling me Holmes and Ferguson and anybody/everybody else wouldn't redo their deals if it meant upgrading from one of the worst QB's in football to one of the best who has ever played the game?
 
2012-03-08 04:36:17 PM  
I'm so tired of people pointing out how good a fit the Cardinals would be just by saying "Larry Fitzgerald".


Are you trying to say that Fitzy is better than Marvin Harrison? Because he is not.
Are you trying to say that Peyton is way better than a productive Kurt Warner? Because he is not.

So with that being said, Peyton with Harrison AND Reggie Wayne + Warner with Fitzy = 1 Super Bowl win out of two appearances

Not earth shattering results there, Lou.
 
2012-03-08 04:39:35 PM  

myinternetname: Are you trying to say that Fitzy is better than Marvin Harrison? Because he is not.


Um, what? No offense to Harrison, but he might as well be my grandma compared to Fitzgerald.
 
2012-03-08 04:42:34 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: myinternetname: Are you trying to say that Fitzy is better than Marvin Harrison? Because he is not.

Um, what? No offense to Harrison, but he might as well be my grandma compared to Fitzgerald.


Marvin Harrison:
REC 1,102

YDS 14,580

AVG 13.2

TDS 128
 
2012-03-08 04:43:39 PM  
FTFA:
6. Cowboys: They need a vocal leader, and Peyton would give them just that. More importantly, Peyton could provide someone who likely won't make a big mistake in a clutch moment of a key game.

Hahahahaha oh man that's comedy gold right there. I can't stop laughing.....no really I can't
 
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