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(Pro Football Talk)   Peyton Manning sweepstakes Power Rankings. We've just gone to full retard   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com) divider line 93
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2012-03-08 04:47:19 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: myinternetname: Are you trying to say that Fitzy is better than Marvin Harrison? Because he is not.

Um, what? No offense to Harrison, but he might as well be my grandma compared to Fitzgerald.


At this point in fitzy's career compared to harrison they look like the same guy. Very comparable stats.
 
2012-03-08 04:54:03 PM  

Basij: The Seahags barely beat Kevin Kolb and got Fitzgerald'd with Skelton behind center. Pete Carrol is the perfect coach to go 7-9 indefinitely.


Agreed. Seattle is a funny place. Marshawn Lynch breaks 1,000 yards on a 7-9 team that actually finished in the lower half of the league for rushing yards and Seattleites talk like the guy is the second coming of Earl Campbell. Basically because he had a big run against the Saints in the playoffs a couple years ago. I mean Marshawn is fine - he's a serviceable NFL starter who is young enough to have several decent years left, but come on. The guy had a good year. He also had a ton of carries because the passing offense sucked so bad.
 
2012-03-08 05:01:02 PM  
If Peyton was black, he'd be called just an average quarterback. To be black and make it in the NFL you have to carry the team on your shoulder by passing and running. Peyton can only do one of those things, and now maybe zero. It would make more sense to go after Donovan McNabb for nothing than to mortgage your future for Peyton.
 
2012-03-08 05:03:34 PM  
JohnBigBootay: Why Would I Read the Article: myinternetname: Are you trying to say that Fitzy is better than Marvin Harrison? Because he is not.

Um, what? No offense to Harrison, but he might as well be my grandma compared to Fitzgerald.

At this point in fitzy's career compared to harrison they look like the same guy. Very comparable stats.


There's one big difference between Fitzy and Harrison, though. While Harrison played most of his career with Manning under center, Fitzy has always, with the exception of a couple of years with Kurt Warner, had average-at-best or worse QBs throwing to him.
 
2012-03-08 05:16:19 PM  

JerseyTim: He should go to the Browns in a reverse Lebron.


"...I'm going to take my talents to Lake Erie..."
 
2012-03-08 05:27:28 PM  
Why would the Texans want Peyton? Schaub is legit, isn't as old, and hasn't required neck surgeries. Texans will probably even get the #2 seed in the AFC South -- 'cause Luck is taking the Colts to the Bowl.

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2012-03-08 05:37:43 PM  
I wish it were possible to ask this question without it sounding like tardbait, but isn't Tebow fundamentally a fullback who can throw? Given that he projects as the guy willing to do anything to help a team win, wouldn't the idea of him still playing a lot of downs in the backfield while also filling the role of backup and even situational qb be enough to avoid any "unseating" issues?

What really makes a Denver landing so often dismissed as crazy talk? Honestly curious...
 
2012-03-08 05:47:32 PM  
I thought according to the sports tab, Peyton was nothing but an average qb who is now broken down and a locker room cancer.
 
2012-03-08 05:48:09 PM  
Reposed from the TFD thread-

I just checked, here are actual odds of where he'll end up-

Arizona Cardinals 7/2
Denver Broncos 10/1
Field (Any Other Team) 7/1
Houston Texans 20/1
Kansas City Chiefs 6/1
Miami Dolphins 5/4
New York Jets 8/1
No Team (Doesnt throw a pass in 2012/2013 Regular Season) 15/1
San Francisco 49ers 10/1
Seattle Seahawks 8/1
Tennessee Titans 15/1
Washington Redskins 10/1

It seems the bookmakers are thinking Peyton will be taking his talents to south beach.
 
2012-03-08 06:02:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Basij: The Seahags barely beat Kevin Kolb and got Fitzgerald'd with Skelton behind center. Pete Carrol is the perfect coach to go 7-9 indefinitely.

Agreed. Seattle is a funny place. Marshawn Lynch breaks 1,000 yards on a 7-9 team that actually finished in the lower half of the league for rushing yards and Seattleites talk like the guy is the second coming of Earl Campbell. Basically because he had a big run against the Saints in the playoffs a couple years ago. I mean Marshawn is fine - he's a serviceable NFL starter who is young enough to have several decent years left, but come on. The guy had a good year. He also had a ton of carries because the passing offense sucked so bad.


Well, for starers:

1. It was a tale of two seasons. He did very little in the first several weeks as the whole team struggled, then was huge in the second half of the season as the team surged. His performance was a big part of the team's success. (And the line, which was 60% new and another 20% coming off a year's hiatus, had a few weeks to play together and finally improved under the ZBS, which is custom-made for a one-cut back like Lynch.) Over the last 10 games: 941 yards on 211 carries (4.5 ypc), 9 TDs = an excellent workhorse back by anyone's definition. The fact that he's a fun character helps make people fans as well.

2. That said, I don't know which Seattle fans you're talking about. With regard to Lynch, most people I've talked to take the view that they're happy he has signed a reasonable 4-year contract that doesn't break the bank, considering he's still just 25 and doesn't have nearly the mileage that Shaun Alexander had when he signed that ill-fated deal. Nobody wanted them to throw huge money at him, as far as I'm aware.

3. More people are excited about the defense than about anything on the offense. You should really get to a game sometime, it's an exciting bunch, a big and physical unit that makes big plays. They do need to upgrade the pass rush, but they're in good position to do so via the draft (at least one of Coples, Ingram or Upshaw figures to be there at #12).
 
2012-03-08 06:12:03 PM  
I'm think Arizona with Miami a close second.
 
2012-03-08 06:13:24 PM  

Super Chronic: happy he has signed a reasonable 4-year contract that doesn't break the bank, considering he's still just 25 and doesn't have nearly the mileage that Shaun Alexander had when he signed that ill-fated deal.


I agree with that. I said at the time that was a huge mistake and I think they'd have made much more out of that core team if they'd have let him walk. Teams are finally realizing the RB is arguable the most replaceable position on the field. If you have a good scheme and a good qb/wr's and a solid line you can always get good production out of the famous guy's replacement - we see it all the time these days. Very few RB's worth the giant deals these days - particularly not ones pushing 30.

I'm a steeler fan (born there) but I've been here 20 years. I actually like when the hawks do well. Just a more exciting place to be when that's the case. And my second favorite game to watch is any of them when my team isn't on - I just like football. We'll see about the hawks. I just don't think TJ is all that bad. Not sold on Pete Carroll. As he approaches 100 games as an nfl head coach he kind of looks like a .500 guy to me.
 
2012-03-08 06:15:37 PM  

Shakes999: Wow really? Cowboys num 6? I would take a perpetually above avg (though flawed) Tony Romo any day over someone who just had 4 neck surgery's. Peytons great but no way do I trust his health. Besides we (dallas) like tony..


As a Lions fan, I also like Tony Romo playing for the Cowboys.
 
2012-03-08 06:15:49 PM  
I stopped reading after the first two, because the writer assumes a) this is Peyton circa 2006 with no injuries and all the experience and b) the team he moves to will install the Colts offense and everyone will pick it up instantaneously.

Texans: Instantly, the Texans would become the pick to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl Nope.

Chiefs: With Peyton, they'd win it going away. And they possibly would pump up their record to the point where the road to New Orleans would wind through Kansas City. Nope.

Dumb article is dumb.
 
2012-03-08 06:19:53 PM  

JohnBigBootay: but I've been here 20 years. I actually like when the hawks do well. Just a more exciting place to be when that's the case.


We've had this discussion already, and I'll tell you what I said before: no you don't. I don't mind that at all -- I don't take sports personally and it doesn't bother me what laundry you root for or don't root for. Just admit it, brother. Embrace your Inner Hater.
 
2012-03-08 06:21:22 PM  

Super Chronic: JohnBigBootay: but I've been here 20 years. I actually like when the hawks do well. Just a more exciting place to be when that's the case.

We've had this discussion already, and I'll tell you what I said before: no you don't. I don't mind that at all -- I don't take sports personally and it doesn't bother me what laundry you root for or don't root for. Just admit it, brother. Embrace your Inner Hater.


And to be honest, living in New York as a Seahawks fan, sometimes I fall into that trap when talking to Giants fans. "Oh sure, that'd be neat if they win the Super Bowl. Nice going, guys." Only recently did I realize I wasn't being true to myself. I feel your pain completely. We're like blood brothers, man.
 
2012-03-08 06:30:27 PM  

Ponzholio: Reposed from the TFD thread-

I just checked, here are actual odds of where he'll end up-

Arizona Cardinals 7/2
Denver Broncos 10/1
Field (Any Other Team) 7/1
Houston Texans 20/1
Kansas City Chiefs 6/1
Miami Dolphins 5/4
New York Jets 8/1
No Team (Doesnt throw a pass in 2012/2013 Regular Season) 15/1
San Francisco 49ers 10/1
Seattle Seahawks 8/1
Tennessee Titans 15/1
Washington Redskins 10/1

It seems the bookmakers are thinking Peyton will be taking his talents to south beach.


The no team bet intrigues me, almost enough to put down some cash on it...I'm sure that he'll be somewhere next year, but 15-1? I could almost see a scenario where nobody gives him guaranteed anything, and he says, "Fark it, I'm retiring and going into the booth"
 
2012-03-08 06:33:41 PM  

Super Chronic: We've had this discussion already, and I'll tell you what I said before: no you don't.


I'm not gonna sit here and tell you they're my second favorite team. I don't have a second favorite team. But I occasionally find myself pulling for them against _____________ - but it does make me feel a little guilty. And I really liked Hasselbeck and Mack Strong. And the big fat guy - what's his name - Cortez Kennedy - but that's been a while.There - I said it.
 
2012-03-08 06:38:53 PM  

Super Chronic: And to be honest, living in New York as a Seahawks fan, sometimes I fall into that trap when talking to Giants fans. "Oh sure, that'd be neat if they win the Super Bowl. Nice going, guys." Only recently did I realize I wasn't being true to myself. I feel your pain completely. We're like blood brothers, man.


Well, I'm probably like a Giants fan in that regard. I do have a bit of blue blood elitist old-time NFL franchise attitude in me. I try to keep it in check.
 
2012-03-08 06:43:08 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Well, I'm probably like a Giants fan in that regard. I do have a bit of blue blood elitist old-time NFL franchise attitude in me. I try to keep it in check.


I thought Pittsburgh fans try to forget that their franchise actually existed before the 70s.
 
2012-03-08 07:00:07 PM  

Gunderson: steamingpile: Gunderson: Reasons: Won't play in the same town as Eli

Really? That seems to be a plus and did you really just compare Peyton Manning to Testaverde? Thats like comparing a pile of shiat on a plate to filet mignon.

A) I'm comparing the fact that the Jets told a shot at an older QB who had injuries and got burned by it.

B) I don't think they would both want to deal with the NY press asking each other every week about how the other one is doing

C) I do think Payton will end up in the AFC, so to not cock-block Eli from getting to the Super bowl.


Wtf? Didn't Testeverde take them to the AFC championship game?
 
2012-03-08 07:01:04 PM  
Friends,
 
2012-03-08 07:02:32 PM  

robsul82: Friends,


Yes?
 
2012-03-08 07:33:51 PM  

Super Chronic: JohnBigBootay: Well, I'm probably like a Giants fan in that regard. I do have a bit of blue blood elitist old-time NFL franchise attitude in me. I try to keep it in check.

I thought Pittsburgh fans try to forget that their franchise actually existed before the 70s.


Naw. My dad worshipped Art Rooney and went to many a crappy steeler game. Being born in 1965 I came of age and started paying attention just when the Steelers got good. I was 7 for the immaculate reception. I remember watching the steelers with my dad and he'd be all, "goddammit Bradshaw!" and root for the other team to return the INT to teach him a lesson. If he actually connected he'd just sit there and smolder because he thought they should be running the ball every play. Fun guy to watch football with, my dad. I don't think he actually enjoyed any of it - too stressful. Anyway, reading about the crappy old steelers is sort of fun, because I didn't really have to experience all that much of it.
 
2012-03-08 07:36:42 PM  

robsul82: Friends,


...Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears...
 
2012-03-08 07:52:42 PM  
I'm sorry, the current headache coupled with how uniquely ridiculous this offseason has been has ruined my desire to write a bonus Jake entry about how the Texans won the Delhomme sweepstakes. lol
 
2012-03-08 08:00:44 PM  

robsul82: I'm sorry, the current headache coupled with how uniquely ridiculous this offseason has been has ruined my desire to write a bonus Jake entry about how the Texans won the Delhomme sweepstakes. lol


ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-03-08 08:09:38 PM  

JonPace: Gunderson: steamingpile: Gunderson: Reasons: Won't play in the same town as Eli

Really? That seems to be a plus and did you really just compare Peyton Manning to Testaverde? Thats like comparing a pile of shiat on a plate to filet mignon.

A) I'm comparing the fact that the Jets told a shot at an older QB who had injuries and got burned by it.

B) I don't think they would both want to deal with the NY press asking each other every week about how the other one is doing

C) I do think Payton will end up in the AFC, so to not cock-block Eli from getting to the Super bowl.

Wtf? Didn't Testeverde take them to the AFC championship game?


I'm talking about the year they had him start, and he ruptured his achilles in the first game.

Then they made the same mistake with Favre, another one past his prime, and he hid a bicep injury and tanked that season for them
 
2012-03-08 09:16:14 PM  

Gunderson: JonPace: Gunderson: steamingpile: Gunderson: Reasons: Won't play in the same town as Eli

Really? That seems to be a plus and did you really just compare Peyton Manning to Testaverde? Thats like comparing a pile of shiat on a plate to filet mignon.

A) I'm comparing the fact that the Jets told a shot at an older QB who had injuries and got burned by it.

B) I don't think they would both want to deal with the NY press asking each other every week about how the other one is doing

C) I do think Payton will end up in the AFC, so to not cock-block Eli from getting to the Super bowl.

Wtf? Didn't Testeverde take them to the AFC championship game?

I'm talking about the year they had him start, and he ruptured his achilles in the first game.

Then they made the same mistake with Favre, another one past his prime, and he hid a bicep injury and tanked that season for them


Testeverde played several seasons for the Jets after his Achilles injury, so I don't see how he could be considered a failure. Parcells liked him enough to bring him to Dallas to start. There's also three fact that Manning is in the top 3 in anyone's GOAT list while Testeverde is top 20 in some people's quality backup list.

Either way, any team with a good defense and Peyton Manning is an immediate Super Bowl contender. You might be gambling with his neck, but you're not winning a Super Bowl with Sanchez or Tebow
 
2012-03-08 09:45:50 PM  

SlothB77: why bother putting teams like Green Bay and Indianapolis on the list? You don't have to list every single team.

oh, and 49ers isn't going to happen. they went 13-3 with Alex Smith and made it to the NFC championship game. So you add Peyton Manning? How much better can you really do? Is it worth it? Mayyyybe he gets you to the SB for one year. And then he retires and you have no QB and Alex Smith is gone.


Um, we kind of want Alex Smith gone. He isn't great. He isn't good. His only saving grace is he didn't screw up too badly. Peyton would be a great upgrade.
 
2012-03-08 10:18:25 PM  
As a Dolphins fan, please please please please.
 
2012-03-08 10:30:54 PM  
WHAR POWER RANKING CHART FROM DI WHAR
 
2012-03-08 11:39:52 PM  
Some guy out in Denver is reporting that the Chiefs have offered a contract to Manning.
 
2012-03-08 11:53:16 PM  
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Tripped Out Psychedelic Wet Dream: Some guy out in Denver is reporting that the Chiefs have offered a contract to Manning.


Ouija Board says, "ROTFLMAO"
 
2012-03-09 12:22:25 AM  

Tripped Out Psychedelic Wet Dream: Some guy out in Denver is reporting that the Chiefs have offered a contract to Manning.


Are they gonna pay him extra to be O.C. As well as QB?
 
2012-03-09 01:01:19 AM  
My favorite...

cf.avrillavigne.com
 
2012-03-09 02:08:05 AM  

Ponzholio: Kansas City Chiefs 6/1


What a terrible bet. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like a bad decision. The Chiefs were worse than Oakland, The Chargers, and The Tebows. The Chargers also are not a good team for him to play against in the past few years. They intercept him. A lot.
 
2012-03-09 03:09:44 AM  

davidphogan: Ponzholio: Kansas City Chiefs 6/1

What a terrible bet. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like a bad decision. The Chiefs were worse than Oakland, The Chargers, and The Tebows. The Chargers also are not a good team for him to play against in the past few years. They intercept him. A lot.


They went 3-3 against those teams, so I wouldnt say worse. The whole AFC West was a big steaming pile of mediocrity.

That said, The Chiefs lost their best player on offense, one of their best on defense, and were still a hairsbreadth from winning the division. That's with Tyler Palko starting 4 games at QB.
 
2012-03-09 05:59:07 AM  

9beers: As a Dolphins fan, please please please please.


Agreed, but never underestimate owner's and managment's ability to totally fark this up.

/still bitter.
 
2012-03-09 08:13:49 AM  

davidphogan: Ponzholio: Kansas City Chiefs 6/1

What a terrible bet. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like a bad decision. The Chiefs were worse than Oakland, The Chargers, and The Tebows. The Chargers also are not a good team for him to play against in the past few years. They intercept him. A lot.


The Chiefs were up and down all year despite, as pickle65 said, losing several of their best players for the season. They also had a pretty darn tough schedule. Some have speculated that Todd Haley threw in the towel when he got completely fed up with Pioli- a harsh accusation, but how else do you explain throwing Tyler Palko out there game after game?

Remember, it was KC who killed Green Bay's dream of an undefeated season.
 
2012-03-09 08:56:57 AM  

davidphogan: What a terrible bet. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems like a bad decision. The Chiefs were worse than Oakland, The Chargers, and The Tebows. The Chargers also are not a good team for him to play against in the past few years. They intercept him. A lot


Maybe Peyton wouldn't if he still had a few questions about their offensive line but otherwise they're not that terrible all around. While this is unfortunate to those of us who want to bet on them at 50:1 to get to the SB, there are worse teams in the hunt for his services. But knowing the Chiefs they'd get him and get bounced by an amped up #5 seed in the playoffs.
 
2012-03-09 09:34:47 AM  
As long as he has the Great Wall of China in front of him, Peyton will do OK if his arm strength is legit.

That being said, fans of his new team are going to cringe every time he takes a hit.

I think he goes to KC.
 
2012-03-09 10:36:05 AM  
I think we should refer to the 'Peyton Manning Sweepstakes' as PMS going forward.
 
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