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(NYPost)   Obama to Israel: you like advanced weaponry, right? Well, I like it when nothing happens that could hurt my re-election chances. Maybe we can make a deal?   (nypost.com) divider line 185
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2012-03-08 10:07:25 AM
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2012-03-08 10:11:13 AM
Under the proposed deal, Israel would not attack Iran until 2013, after US elections in November this year. The newspaper cited unnamed Western diplomatic and intelligence sources.

mmm hmmm.
 
2012-03-08 10:14:07 AM
sweet extortion racket.
 
2012-03-08 10:14:10 AM
How about this. When Israel attacks Iran, and they will, we allow a one time renouncing of your citizenship for all the teabaggers and conservatives that feel so strongly about the protection of Israel. They can go over there and fight for Israel against what will surely be a massive retaliatory strike by Iran and it's non-governmental actors.

It makes everyone happy. Israel feels safe, conservatives defend the country they really love, and America gets rid of all the morons in the country.
 
2012-03-08 10:15:27 AM
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2012-03-08 10:15:39 AM
Bibi is bluffing, Israel isn't doing shiat to Iran.
 
2012-03-08 10:18:17 AM
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2012-03-08 10:18:22 AM
Holy shiat

Image if Bush did something like this
 
2012-03-08 10:19:17 AM
Sounds about right.
 
2012-03-08 10:21:31 AM

cman: Holy shiat

Image if Bush did something like this


Bush Cheney would have already ordered US strikes against Iran 18 months ago.
 
2012-03-08 10:22:06 AM

cman: Holy shiat

Image if Bush did something like this


He did tell Israel he wouldn't support them when they told them they wanted to pass through Iraqi airspace to attack Iran.
 
2012-03-08 10:22:29 AM
So I guess politics really is politics.
 
2012-03-08 10:22:43 AM

cman: Image if Bush did something like this


well, this is coming from the paper that broke the obama waldorf lobster scandal, so you know it's gotta be true!
 
2012-03-08 10:23:11 AM
How does Israel's dick taste this time of year, Tatsuma?
 
2012-03-08 10:24:38 AM

cman: Holy shiat

Image if Bush did something like this


Prevented an unnecessary middle east conflict? Yeah, that is a mind blowing what if.
 
2012-03-08 10:28:10 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-08 10:29:24 AM

WTF Indeed: How about this. When Israel attacks Iran, and they will, we allow a one time renouncing of your citizenship for all the teabaggers and conservatives that feel so strongly about the protection of Israel. They can go over there and fight for Israel against what will surely be a massive retaliatory strike by Iran and it's non-governmental actors.

It makes everyone happy. Israel feels safe, conservatives defend the country they really love, and America gets rid of all the morons in the country.



Can't see any takers. They already have the Right of Return set up for anyone who's serious about 'Going Back Home'. The rest of them just like to verbally snipe while being safe and sound in NY/FL.
 
2012-03-08 10:30:36 AM
Wow. So one country was planning to attack another, and the US offered the first country some items in order to prevent the attack? You mean, like, negotiations instead of war? Like, diplomacy? Wow.
 
2012-03-08 10:31:11 AM
Meh, John Stewart's coverage of this whole situation on Tuesday pretty much said it all--this is all posturing, but all three parties.

/If Israel does something stupid, we should not rescue them. They need to stop settling and Palestine should be recognized as a nation by all parties. It's the only thing that makes any sense.
 
2012-03-08 10:31:41 AM

Tickle Mittens: cman: Holy shiat

Image if Bush did something like this

Prevented an unnecessary middle east conflict? Yeah, that is a mind blowing what if.


He's not preventing anything. The deal is to give them our best bunker busters and no telling what else, and they'll hold off the attack until after the elections.

Keep in mind that that Israel sells our weapons tech to China for billions.

Link
 
2012-03-08 10:31:51 AM
This news item just in:

The People's Republic of China announces newly "developed" high tech weaponry for sale.

Let the Israelis bomb Iran, they deserve what they'll get in return. The US is almost self-sufficient in energy now. Build a fence around that poop-stain of a geopolitical region and don't take it down until the noise from inside dies down.
 
2012-03-08 10:31:52 AM

cman: Holy shiat

Image if Bush did something like this


Imagine if Obama did something like this.

Oh wait, the NY Post already is.
 
2012-03-08 10:32:05 AM
am I the only person who remembers the Israeli attack on the nuclear plant at Osarak? I find it odd that there is a lot of talk of the possibility of the Israeli Air Force attacking a nuclear facility, when they have done so before.

Didn't anyone else watch the cockadoodie film? It seems that this should be part of the discussion, but it's like it fell down the memory hole.
 
2012-03-08 10:32:33 AM

WTF Indeed: How about this. When Israel attacks Iran, and they will, we allow a one time renouncing of your citizenship for all the teabaggers and conservatives that feel so strongly about the protection of Israel. They can go over there and fight for Israel against what will surely be a massive retaliatory strike by Iran and it's non-governmental actors.

It makes everyone happy. Israel feels safe, conservatives defend the country they really love, and America gets rid of all the morons in the country.


you can renounce your citizenship right now, ya big dumby.
 
2012-03-08 10:33:33 AM

Tickle Mittens: cman: Holy shiat

Image if Bush did something like this

Prevented Delayed an unnecessary middle east conflict solely for political gain? Yeah, that is a mind blowing what if.


FTFY
 
2012-03-08 10:33:46 AM
Except that Israel is working on its own bunker busters, and the fact is that, in the current climate, the window to strike Iran's nuclear sites have never been as good as they are today:

- Hamas has moved away from its alliance with Iran, is now siding with Egypt and Qatar, and even harassing Shia muslims.
- A Hamas senior figure declared (before furiously taking it back) that Hamas would NOT strike Israel if it attacked Iran, only if it also attacked Gaza.
- Syria is in no position right now to start a war with Israel
- Hizbullah has been non-committal to both Syria and striking Israel if there is an attack on Iran's nuclear program. Considering Nasrallah himself said that war with Israel in 2006 was an error, and how he is trying to move away from Syrian influence, the group might stay on the sidelines.

The only group that would retaliate for sure would be Islamic Jihad, but Gaza might very well force them to stay calm or only do it without going overboard and only create a situation where Israel would counterattack in a limited fashion.

It is not even clear that Iran, in such a situation, would want to retaliate directly. It is more likely that it would answer with terrorists attacks and more threats.


That is basically the feeling on the ground here.
 
2012-03-08 10:33:58 AM

cman: Image if Bush did something like this


Is that a jpg or bmp image? lol, just hackin on ya.

Bush would have handed the weaponry over with no deal. At least Obama'a deal has conditions even if they are somewhat self serving.
 
2012-03-08 10:34:06 AM

WTF Indeed: How about this. When Israel attacks Iran, and they will, we allow a one time renouncing of your citizenship for all the teabaggers and conservatives that feel so strongly about the protection of Israel. They can go over there and fight for Israel against what will surely be a massive retaliatory strike by Iran and it's non-governmental actors.

It makes everyone happy. Israel feels safe, conservatives defend the country they really love, and America gets rid of all the morons in the country.


now there's an idea!
 
2012-03-08 10:34:30 AM
Oh and there is also the feeling that if/when Obama is re-elected, it will be both too late for strikes, and that Obama might just flat out say no, since he won his election and doesn't need to play nice for the next 4 years.
 
2012-03-08 10:35:12 AM

WTF Indeed: How about this. When Israel attacks Iran, and they will, we allow a one time renouncing of your citizenship for all the teabaggers and conservatives that feel so strongly about the protection of Israel. They can go over there and fight for Israel against what will surely be a massive retaliatory strike by Iran and it's non-governmental actors.

It makes everyone happy. Israel feels safe, conservatives defend the country they really love, and America gets rid of all the morons in the country.


How about this. Whenever a government (local, state, or Federal) proposes reducing taxes instead of increasing the eternally expanding social programs for able-bodied layabouts, we allow a one time renouncing of your citizenship. All the liberals that feel so strongly that a ever more expensive socialist nanny state is the best way to run things can to emigrate to Europe and pay out the nose for what will surely be several more generations of people dependent on the government dole for their entire lives.

It makes everyone happy. Europe gets more subservient sheep, liberals get to feel smug about themselves, and America gets rid of all the morons in the country.
 
2012-03-08 10:35:42 AM

cman: Image if Bush did something like this


yeah guys imagine if Bush didn't rush to war in the middle east.
 
2012-03-08 10:36:21 AM

fireclown: am I the only person who remembers the Israeli attack on the nuclear plant at Osarak? I find it odd that there is a lot of talk of the possibility of the Israeli Air Force attacking a nuclear facility, when they have done so before.

Didn't anyone else watch the cockadoodie film? It seems that this should be part of the discussion, but it's like it fell down the memory hole.


Osirak was a lot closer and wasn't buried under a mountain. Bibi is farked if he tries that shiat again without our tech.
 
2012-03-08 10:36:47 AM

Tatsuma: Except that Israel is working on its own bunker busters, and the fact is that, in the current climate, the window to strike Iran's nuclear sites have never been as good as they are today:

- Hamas has moved away from its alliance with Iran, is now siding with Egypt and Qatar, and even harassing Shia muslims.
- A Hamas senior figure declared (before furiously taking it back) that Hamas would NOT strike Israel if it attacked Iran, only if it also attacked Gaza.
- Syria is in no position right now to start a war with Israel
- Hizbullah has been non-committal to both Syria and striking Israel if there is an attack on Iran's nuclear program. Considering Nasrallah himself said that war with Israel in 2006 was an error, and how he is trying to move away from Syrian influence, the group might stay on the sidelines.

The only group that would retaliate for sure would be Islamic Jihad, but Gaza might very well force them to stay calm or only do it without going overboard and only create a situation where Israel would counterattack in a limited fashion.

It is not even clear that Iran, in such a situation, would want to retaliate directly. It is more likely that it would answer with terrorists attacks and more threats.


That is basically the feeling on the ground here.


And there is still little support for it in Israel.

Face it, Bibi painted himself in to a corner and can't deliver without Obama's help. He ain't getting it.
 
2012-03-08 10:39:05 AM
Did any of you farkers read the macro at the start of the thread?
 
2012-03-08 10:39:55 AM

Tatsuma: the fact is that, in the current climate, the window to strike Iran's nuclear sites have never been as good as they are today


Then by all means, let's all waste billions of dollars and hundreds of innocent lives. If we get lucky, it could spiral out of control to a few trillion dollars and thousands of innocent lives like the last time we went hunting for weapons of mass destruction.
 
2012-03-08 10:41:30 AM

palladiate: Then by all means, let's all waste billions of dollars and hundreds of innocent lives. If we get lucky, it could spiral out of control to a few trillion dollars and thousands of innocent lives like the last time we went hunting for weapons of mass destruction.


1 - I did not say that this is what I believe should happen right now
2 - Iran and Iraq are two completely different scenarios
 
2012-03-08 10:42:19 AM

Tatsuma: Oh and there is also the feeling that if/when Obama is re-elected, it will be both too late for strikes, and that Obama might just flat out say no, since he won his election and doesn't need to play nice for the next 4 years.


Actually, the real problem is the American people. US involvement in the region that doesn't resemble a Libya-like situation would be treated with extremely high and strong disapproval. It would be in Israel's best interest to enlist the help of European nations for a strike, as they have more to lose in the short-term when Israel strikes.
 
2012-03-08 10:43:03 AM
Israel is crazy enough to attack Iran regardless. We might wake up one morning and find out that they've done it. farking zealots. fark the whole lot of 'em. The world would be better off without religious zealotry.
 
2012-03-08 10:43:10 AM

Tatsuma: Except that Israel is working on its own bunker busters, and the fact is that, in the current climate, the window to strike Iran's nuclear sites have never been as good as they are today:

- Hamas has moved away from its alliance with Iran, is now siding with Egypt and Qatar, and even harassing Shia muslims.
- A Hamas senior figure declared (before furiously taking it back) that Hamas would NOT strike Israel if it attacked Iran, only if it also attacked Gaza.
- Syria is in no position right now to start a war with Israel
- Hizbullah has been non-committal to both Syria and striking Israel if there is an attack on Iran's nuclear program. Considering Nasrallah himself said that war with Israel in 2006 was an error, and how he is trying to move away from Syrian influence, the group might stay on the sidelines.

The only group that would retaliate for sure would be Islamic Jihad, but Gaza might very well force them to stay calm or only do it without going overboard and only create a situation where Israel would counterattack in a limited fashion.

It is not even clear that Iran, in such a situation, would want to retaliate directly. It is more likely that it would answer with terrorists attacks and more threats.


That is basically the feeling on the ground here.


And how would that stop them from reassembling the program in the future, only this time with a legitimate grievance against Israel? Or will you be hoping to have died of old age by then and fark posterity.
 
2012-03-08 10:43:16 AM

Tatsuma: 1 - I did not say that this is what I believe should happen right now


Have you gone soft, Tatsy?
 
2012-03-08 10:43:28 AM

Half Right: Meh, John Stewart's coverage of this whole situation on Tuesday pretty much said it all--this is all posturing, but all three parties.

/If Israel does something stupid, we should not rescue them. They need to stop settling and Palestine should be recognized as a nation by all parties. It's the only thing that makes any sense.


Really?

/Pull the other one.
 
2012-03-08 10:44:11 AM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Bush Cheney would have already ordered US strikes against Iran 18 months ago.


Are you kidding? There are almost no differences between actual policies of Bush and Obama regarding Israel. In fact, while Bush's rhetoric might have sounded slightly more pro-Israel than Obama (barely, really, if you take time to read what Obama says about Israel), the fact is that he was probably harsher to Israel in terms of policies, behavior and actions.
 
2012-03-08 10:44:29 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Osirak was a lot closer and wasn't buried under a mountain. Bibi is farked if he tries that shiat again without our tech.


Absolutely correct. This would be a much, much harder target, a longer distance, and doing it without the new bunker busters would accomplish Fark-all. My point is that in the will-they-or-won't-they discussion that has been rolling around in the media and online (and it has been kicking around for about a year or so), I don't think that I have ever heard it mentioned that they have done EXACTLY THIS in the not too distant past.
 
2012-03-08 10:45:21 AM

Tatsuma: 1 - I did not say that this is what I believe should happen right now
2 - Iran and Iraq are two completely different scenarios


1) I didn't think you were, but you weren't all that clear.
2) You're right, Iran can actually defend itself.
 
2012-03-08 10:46:37 AM

Wendy's Chili: Have you gone soft, Tatsy?


Soft? I always said that striking Iran was the last option, one that had to be weighed in carefully, and should absolutely be avoided unless there is no other choice.

WTF Indeed: Actually, the real problem is the American people. US involvement in the region that doesn't resemble a Libya-like situation would be treated with extremely high and strong disapproval. It would be in Israel's best interest to enlist the help of European nations for a strike, as they have more to lose in the short-term when Israel strikes.


On the other hand, if Israel strikes before the election, Obama will absolutely have no choice to help Israel if he wants to be re-elected. He would have the most to lose, in that sense.
 
2012-03-08 10:46:37 AM

Tatsuma: It is not even clear that Iran, in such a situation, would want to retaliate directly. It is more likely that it would answer with terrorists attacks and more threats.


That is basically the feeling on the ground here.


You aren't on the ground "there" asshole. You live in a sofa full of crumbs, dingleberries, and back hair, somewhere in the US.
 
2012-03-08 10:47:56 AM

palladiate: 1) I didn't think you were, but you weren't all that clear.
2) You're right, Iran can actually defend itself.


"can defend itself" is not the same as "will defend itself", is not the same as "retaliate"

Also there are those rumors that Russia gave Israel the codes to Iran's missile batteries, which would be really bad for Iran. Worst possible scenario for them.
 
2012-03-08 10:48:42 AM

svenge: How about this. Whenever a government (local, state, or Federal) proposes reducing taxes instead of increasing the eternally expanding social programs for able-bodied layabouts, we allow a one time renouncing of your citizenship. All the liberals that feel so strongly that a ever more expensive socialist nanny state is the best way to run things can to emigrate to Europe and pay out the nose for what will surely be several more generations of people dependent on the government dole for their entire lives.

It makes everyone happy. Europe gets more subservient sheep, liberals get to feel smug about themselves, and America gets rid of all the morons in the country.


Wow, you failed Public Policy 101, International Relations 101, and Sarcasm Detection 101 all in one paragraph.
 
2012-03-08 10:49:04 AM
Vegetable rights and peace! Seriously- can't people just leave each other the fark alone?
 
2012-03-08 10:49:14 AM

Half Right: Meh, John Stewart's coverage of this whole situation on Tuesday pretty much said it all--this is all posturing, but all three parties.


ah. The comedian has spoken.

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Check out this cool Iraqi research facility damage, courtesy of the Israeli air force.
 
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