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2012-03-08 11:49:05 AM
Iran's dude might be, I sincerely doubt Saddam is moving WMDs around from his grave.
 
2012-03-08 11:49:24 AM

rka: People seem to be missing the point that the US is actually the voice of restraint here.


Thank you.

Jake Havechek: Trigger weapon, huh? I thought shaped charge was always the best way to go.


Admittedly not my field of expertise, but triggers are still necessary.

I_Am_Weasel: If I'm reading this correctly, and there is no reason to believe that I am. They can tell what they're doing with earth movers, but were unable to detect a nuclear weapon's test?


Trigger != weapon
(much smaller scale)
 
2012-03-08 11:49:29 AM

jigger: Jake Havechek: Engineering an implosion type nuclear weapon is easy, a determined 16 year old could do it.

Not sure if serious.


It is, man. All you'd have to do is get ahold of some C4 for the shaped charge. Everything else can be obtained in a hardware store and electronics store.
 
2012-03-08 11:49:30 AM

LewDux: jigger: LewDux: jigger: You realize that the invasion and occupation of Iraq by the US and coalition forces killed outright just about as many people as Saddam and led to excess deaths that were about quadruple that number?

Citation needed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War (new window)

I'm interested in bolded part


Well, goddam. You know I can't find a reliable source for the number of people killed by Saddam. All I can find are estimates from biased sources that range from 100,000 to 1,000,000. So somewhere in there. People killed outright by the US and were actually reported range from 75,000 to 150,000 depending on the source.
 
2012-03-08 11:49:50 AM

jigger: LewDux: jigger: You realize that the invasion and occupation of Iraq by the US and coalition forces killed outright just about as many people as Saddam and led to excess deaths that were about quadruple that number?

Citation needed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War (new window)


Do you have a yearly total for civilian deaths in Iraq for years prior to the US invasion?

Did Saddam keep good records?
 
2012-03-08 11:50:36 AM
So they cleaned up a nuclear site?

Even though they don't have the bomb (to test),
and do not have the weapons grade uranium (to build the bomb),
and don't even have enough uranium upgraded to reactor grade to create weapons grade uranium (to feed into their centrifuges),
and even though their centrifuge program has been set back years by the Stuxnet Virus.

Hum, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate but couldn't they be cleaning up the damage done by the Stuxnet Virus?

PROOF. You don't have any.
EVIDENCE. Yours is feeble.
LOGIC. Yours is not unassailable by any measure.

This is even worse than the Iraq Weapons Grade BS. At least in that case Iraq HAD BEEN working towards weapons and MIGHT HAVE HAD some left-over capacity if it hadn't been all a lie Saddam's enemies (domestic and international) were telling themselves and which Saddam's henchmen were telling HIM.

I'll worry about the Iranian Bomb if:

1) Israel accidentally mislays their already developed bombs (100-200 or more) and the delivery systems which they already have;
2) Iran actually gets the capacity to build a bomb in less than, say, ten, twenty years;
3) Iran actually is proven to be willing and able to build a bomb and deliver it in something more reliable than a donkey cart.

I remind you that Iran is a member of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and has repeatedly denied that it is planning, building or capable of building nuclear weapons. It has a legal right to use nuclear power for peaceful purposes such as medicine and power generation.

I remind you that the highest religious authority in Iran (who just happen to be higher than Ahmadinejad, despite his political machinations) say that nuclear weapons are immoral and un-Islamic. There is a Fatwa against the nuclear bomb, in other words, as well as women driving.

I remind you that you can't tell what anybody is doing by looking at pictures of bulldozers, 18-wheelers or sand.

You know who else has nuclear reactors and could build a bomb if they were minded to?

Canada.

Yep, we're much closer to the bomb than Iran is or ever will be.

You see, we have 22 or so nuclear reactors generating nuclear waste just perfect for making weapons. All the "democracies" do. The nuclear power program was born out of and founded on the pursuit of the atom bomb by the US, the UK, Canada, Italy (once they were our allies again) and so forth. There are ways to generate nuclear power which do not produce Plutonium or require a lot of Uranium enrichment. You can generate electricity with 3% uranium simply by heating water with the stuff. Real atom bombs require 95%-100% enriched uranium. Hydrogen bombs only use uranium or plutonium as an explosive to compress the fuel cell and create fusion. If you had a really powerful laser you could do the same without the radioactive heavy metals.

If you wanted to, you don't even need to use enriched Uranium as fuel at all. You can build nuclear reactors that consist of nothing more sophisticated than a giant hole in the ground into which you dump fuel and water, heat the water and use the heated water to turn turbines. You can use Thorium instead of Uranium if you like.

In short, why would you think they are covering up something they manifestly do not need or have yet?

You are totally begging the question in the logical and correct sense of "begging the question".

I don't believe they have tested anything. I believe they are cleaning up after YOUR tacitly sanctioned Israeli-American explosions.
 
2012-03-08 11:50:38 AM

Giltric: 9beers: Amos Quito: So, what is Israel's policy with regard to IAEA inspections of THEIR facilities?

Goose / Gander


LOL, really?

Its always the jews fault when AQ posts an opinion....hmmm Amos Quito....AQ...Al Queda....maybe thats a hint.



Deadliest animal on the planet.
 
2012-03-08 11:52:22 AM
Why not just interdict the country? That's what we did the last time we were worried about a nuclear standoff with an authoritarian regime.
 
2012-03-08 11:54:09 AM

jigger: Jake Havechek: Engineering an implosion type nuclear weapon is easy, a determined 16 year old could do it.

Not sure if serious.


16 year olds have made thorium-based breeder reactors before. Google David Hahn, nuclear boy scout.
 
2012-03-08 11:55:21 AM

PsiChi: Elandriel: I just don't see Obama signing off on it.

You will.

[www.galacticbinder.com image 396x336]

O. k., it's a paraphrase.

/Holy frick, the guy that does Yoda is the guy that does (did) Kermit??


He (Frank Oz) was also the property room officer at Joliet Prison at the beginning of the Blues Brothers movie. One of the very few times he actually appeared on screen (tv or movie).

www.bluesbrotherscentral.com (hotlinked)
 
2012-03-08 11:56:50 AM

keylock71: And if Iran does develop a nuclear weapon... So what?

Are we freaking out about Pakistan's nuclear arsenal or North Korea's? Israel has nukes, too. Why is it more of an issue for Iran to have developed the technology?

Funny how we're the only nation to ever use nukes against another country, yet we're the ones who piss and moan the most about other countries having the technology.


I don't think people are worried about Israel selling a nuke to some muslim extremist group.
Pakistan had their own problems a couple years ago and we had teams ready to go to secure their nukes cause the bad guys, in force, were a couple miles down the road from Paks storage facility....as far as NK is concerned......I wonder what was on that train that exploded in Ryongchon...or in that other facility that exploded....NK has been kind of quiet with the sabre rattling since that went down.
 
2012-03-08 11:58:34 AM
More significant still, in the official interpretation now being touted in Tehran, it provides political leeway for the Iranian regime to double down on its policy of confrontation with the West.

 
2012-03-08 11:59:29 AM

I_Am_Weasel: VIENNA - Satellite images of an Iranian military facility appear to show trucks and earth-moving vehicles at the site, indicating an attempted cleanup of radioactive traces possibly left by tests of a nuclear-weapon trigger, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

If I'm reading this correctly, and there is no reason to believe that I am. They can tell what they're doing with earth movers, but were unable to detect a nuclear weapon's test?


No, you're reading it right. Apparently, Iran was able to set off a nuclear explosion without anyone noticing. Only now, as they're not-so-surreptitiously cleaning up the mess, we see them.
 
2012-03-08 11:59:30 AM

Amos Quito: Giltric: 9beers: Amos Quito: So, what is Israel's policy with regard to IAEA inspections of THEIR facilities?

Goose / Gander


LOL, really?

Its always the jews fault when AQ posts an opinion....hmmm Amos Quito....AQ...Al Queda....maybe thats a hint.


Deadliest animal on the planet in moms basement.


FTFY

/sounds more nuanced
 
2012-03-08 11:59:43 AM

jigger: Why do you live in constant fear?


Really, that's what you're going with? Even your hero, Obama, has said that he will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. They have the choice of opening all of their facilities to prove they don't or we can destroy them. Either works for me.
 
2012-03-08 11:59:48 AM
This article is total rubbish and is designed to psychologically manipulate the masses into supporting another useless war.

Let us take a look at our enemies so that we know why they are our enemies:
Interestingly they are all not debt slaves to the IMF and World Bank and their Central Banks do not utilize fiat exchanges from the BIS.
Iran
North Korea
Venezuela
Syria

And used to be:
Libya
Iraq

They are our enemies because they are a threat to globalization not because of WMD's. I mean, Israel refuses to let IAEA inspectors into their country and yet they are one of the biggest creators of terror in the middle east. They even get away scott-free when they use white phosphorus on people.
 
2012-03-08 11:59:50 AM

Jake Havechek: jigger: Jake Havechek: Engineering an implosion type nuclear weapon is easy, a determined 16 year old could do it.

Not sure if serious.

It is, man. All you'd have to do is get ahold of some C4 for the shaped charge. Everything else can be obtained in a hardware store and electronics store.


The charges all have to be timed to the microsecond. To get this right you need lots of testing with high speed X-ray cameras. If you don't get it right you get a dud. North Korea got it half right and did get a nuclear explosion, but it was much less than what they were expecting. A 16 year old with some C4 wouldn't be able to do it.
 
2012-03-08 12:00:55 PM

Giltric: Did Saddam keep good records?


It appears the US didn't either.

Both mass murderers.
 
2012-03-08 12:01:30 PM

9beers: Even your hero, Obama


You're a joke.
 
2012-03-08 12:04:49 PM

jigger: You're a joke.


You're a sheep.
 
2012-03-08 12:04:51 PM

Crunch61: I_Am_Weasel: VIENNA - Satellite images of an Iranian military facility appear to show trucks and earth-moving vehicles at the site, indicating an attempted cleanup of radioactive traces possibly left by tests of a nuclear-weapon trigger, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

If I'm reading this correctly, and there is no reason to believe that I am. They can tell what they're doing with earth movers, but were unable to detect a nuclear weapon's test?

No, you're reading it right. Apparently, Iran was able to set off a nuclear explosion without anyone noticing. Only now, as they're not-so-surreptitiously cleaning up the mess, we see them.


Well kinda right, no big bang nuke went off. They might have tested a trigger for a nuclear weapon. They may just be clearing land to build a new building. But that doesn't sound scary enough.
 
2012-03-08 12:05:06 PM

fireclown: Lunaville: Yes, clearly that attack was a primary motivator in our invasion.

I never said that. The point in 91 was that Hussain was moving south, Kuwait had no means of stopping him, and after he rolled over them he would be within striking distance of the Saudi oil fields. MY point is that people should effing remember Halabja.


Oh, are you referring to Kuwait, the nation that was using slant drilling to steal oil from Iraq and sell it to the USA? Kuwait, the monarchy, that had copious royal shiat-farts that sat on their pampered butts when the US military went in to defend their thieving asses?

Kuwait is not nor has it ever been a state. Kuwait is not U.S. territory. The constitution is not writ upon the land of Kuwait. Kuwait was well paid for the stolen goods it fenced. We had no further responsibility to them.
 
2012-03-08 12:05:22 PM

jigger: LewDux: jigger: LewDux: jigger: You realize that the invasion and occupation of Iraq by the US and coalition forces killed outright just about as many people as Saddam and led to excess deaths that were about quadruple that number?

Citation needed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War (new window)

I'm interested in bolded part

Well, goddam. You know I can't find a reliable source for the number of people killed by Saddam. All I can find are estimates from biased sources that range from 100,000 to 1,000,000. So somewhere in there. People killed outright by the US and were actually reported range from 75,000 to 150,000 depending on the source.


Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000...[ (new window)
 
2012-03-08 12:06:11 PM
List of countries that currently have civilian nuclear power generation facilities: (new window)

Argentina
Armenia
Belgium
Brazil
Bulgaria
Canada
China
Czech Republic
Finland
France
Germany
Hungary
India
Japan
South Korea
Mexico
Netherlands
Pakistan
Romania
Russia
Slovakia
Slovenia and Croatia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Republic of China Taiwan (ROC)
Ukraine
United Kingdom
United States

Also: Israel Intends to Build Civilian Nuclear Plants (new window)


/But no nuclear power for you, Iran
//Makes Izzy all Nervous and stuff
///Can't have
 
2012-03-08 12:06:15 PM

metamax: This article is total rubbish and is designed to psychologically manipulate the masses into supporting another useless war.



Listen buddy, if you can't see how a nation that needs to Photoshop its missile program is the greatest threat to democracy since Hitler and the Grinch, I weep for America.
 
2012-03-08 12:09:02 PM
Two-time Medal of Honor awardee Marine General Smedley Butler:

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

He broke up the fascist attempt to overthrow the American government supported by the Bush family.

BTW, even though he is a double Medal of Honor winner, he is not buried in Arlington.

He wrote War is a Racket
 
2012-03-08 12:09:08 PM

Amos Quito: But no nuclear power for you, Iran


Who said Iran can't have nuclear power?
 
2012-03-08 12:09:31 PM

Giltric: keylock71: And if Iran does develop a nuclear weapon... So what?

Are we freaking out about Pakistan's nuclear arsenal or North Korea's? Israel has nukes, too. Why is it more of an issue for Iran to have developed the technology?

Funny how we're the only nation to ever use nukes against another country, yet we're the ones who piss and moan the most about other countries having the technology.


I don't think people are worried about Israel selling a nuke to some muslim extremist group.



Zionist extremist groups are clearly a greater threat to world peace and security.
 
2012-03-08 12:14:43 PM
Not to disturb this circle jerk of Fark experts but two things prolly need to be noted. One: the people making the allegations are the diplomats ("the diplomats, all nuclear experts accredited to the International Atomic Energy Agency") and not the military, CIA, Mossad, the Israelis or whatever other group everyone here is wetting their pants/displaying faux outrage over. These folks aren't Americans. For crissake, they report to the UN and are headed by pretty much everyone except Americans (currently a Japanese diplomat, previously an Egyptian).

Second: the United States isn't and hasn't been the lead nation in all the "stop Iran from getting nukes" crowd. That's been Israel, France and to a lesser extent the rest of the EU. The US via Obama is the one pushing sanctions. The United States has no interest whatsoever into getting into a biatchslap-fest with Iran (which Iran would almost immediately lose, BTW).

I get it that it's cool and hip to be stridently screaming about "no war" and so on but pretty much everyone involved with the exception of some Iranians have concluded that what Iran is doing is aimed at making nuclear weapons. No war is fine and all but if we're all good with the Mullahs who currently supply several prominent terrorist outfits getting nukes then surely nobody has anything to worry about. If, on the other hand, you might indeed have an issue with a bunch of religious fanatics building nuclear weapons then yeah, you pay attention and publicize things like strip mining one of your nuclear facilities and trucking off the top layer of soil...cause, hey, who doesn't do that, right?

/sometimes there ARE good reasons to get all military-y
//Iran building nuclear weapons, by pretty much universal agreement, is one of them
 
2012-03-08 12:15:59 PM

jigger: Jake Havechek: jigger: Jake Havechek: Engineering an implosion type nuclear weapon is easy, a determined 16 year old could do it.

Not sure if serious.

It is, man. All you'd have to do is get ahold of some C4 for the shaped charge. Everything else can be obtained in a hardware store and electronics store.

The charges all have to be timed to the microsecond. To get this right you need lots of testing with high speed X-ray cameras. If you don't get it right you get a dud. North Korea got it half right and did get a nuclear explosion, but it was much less than what they were expecting. A 16 year old with some C4 wouldn't be able to do it.


Nuclear weapons are always made with redundant triggering devices and are over engineered. The Hiroshima blast was only partial fission.
 
2012-03-08 12:18:09 PM

wowzer97pooh: Two-time Medal of Honor awardee Marine General Smedley Butler:

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

He broke up the fascist attempt to overthrow the American government supported by the Bush family.

BTW, even though he is a double Medal of Honor winner, he is not buried in Arlington.

He wrote War is a Racket


Thank-you.
 
2012-03-08 12:20:27 PM

sno man: Crunch61: I_Am_Weasel: VIENNA - Satellite images of an Iranian military facility appear to show trucks and earth-moving vehicles at the site, indicating an attempted cleanup of radioactive traces possibly left by tests of a nuclear-weapon trigger, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

If I'm reading this correctly, and there is no reason to believe that I am. They can tell what they're doing with earth movers, but were unable to detect a nuclear weapon's test?

No, you're reading it right. Apparently, Iran was able to set off a nuclear explosion without anyone noticing. Only now, as they're not-so-surreptitiously cleaning up the mess, we see them.

Well kinda right, no big bang nuke went off. They might have tested a trigger for a nuclear weapon. They may just be clearing land to build a new building. But that doesn't sound scary enough.


That's my point... It's incredibly doubtful a little bang* nuke went off either. We would know.

*comparative... nuclear triggers are still measured in kilotons
 
2012-03-08 12:20:33 PM

unitednihilists: JerseyTim: I heard they also got aluminum tubes and yellow cake.

/don't drop that shiat!

You know who else played with yellow cake? Thread Jack (^)


Thanks for sharing that...
 
2012-03-08 12:20:56 PM

craig328: Not to disturb this circle jerk of Fark experts but two things prolly need to be noted. One: the people making the allegations are the diplomats ("the diplomats, all nuclear experts accredited to the International Atomic Energy Agency") and not the military, CIA, Mossad, the Israelis or whatever other group everyone here is wetting their pants/displaying faux outrage over. These folks aren't Americans. For crissake, they report to the UN and are headed by pretty much everyone except Americans (currently a Japanese diplomat, previously an Egyptian).

Second: the United States isn't and hasn't been the lead nation in all the "stop Iran from getting nukes" crowd. That's been Israel, France and to a lesser extent the rest of the EU. The US via Obama is the one pushing sanctions. The United States has no interest whatsoever into getting into a biatchslap-fest with Iran (which Iran would almost immediately lose, BTW).

I get it that it's cool and hip to be stridently screaming about "no war" and so on but pretty much everyone involved with the exception of some Iranians have concluded that what Iran is doing is aimed at making nuclear weapons. No war is fine and all but if we're all good with the Mullahs who currently supply several prominent terrorist outfits getting nukes then surely nobody has anything to worry about. If, on the other hand, you might indeed have an issue with a bunch of religious fanatics building nuclear weapons then yeah, you pay attention and publicize things like strip mining one of your nuclear facilities and trucking off the top layer of soil...cause, hey, who doesn't do that, right?

/sometimes there ARE good reasons to get all military-y
//Iran building nuclear weapons, by pretty much universal agreement, is one of them


It is not boots on the ground or mushroom clouds. There is a third way and you know it.
 
2012-03-08 12:21:04 PM

sno man: 9beers: jigger: Iran isn't even months away. They're years away even if they were working on it, which all evidence suggests they are not.

Hear that everybody, this guy says that everything is cool. Anybody have the number for the IAEA, we need to let them know everything is peachy inside of that facility that Iran is blocking access to and that the IAEA reported may be being used to develop a weapon.

They may be making fruit salad in there, everything after the words 'blocked access' is speculation.


And the greatest bluff in the history of mankind is keeping the price of Iran's greatest export highly inflated. Yeah, those Iranians are idiots.
 
2012-03-08 12:21:13 PM
 
2012-03-08 12:21:27 PM

9beers: Amos Quito: But no nuclear power for you, Iran

Who said Iran can't have nuclear power?



Why, Bibi Netanyahu did, that's who.

From Haaretz (yesterday) (new window):

QUOTE:

"But Netanyahu booby-trapped himself back while he was still making his way to Washington, when he presented Iran with a public demand: Dismantle the underground enrichment facility near Qom, cease all enrichment activity, and remove the medium-grade uranium from Iranian territory."

END QUOTE

Kind of hard to generate nuclear power when you can't enrich uranium AND USrael won't let them buy it from anyone else.

Read the article. Bibi is also playing the Holocaust Card.

He is also begging Obama for the latest version of bunker buster bombs and new aerial refueling aircraft.


/Hope he chokes on a pretzel
 
2012-03-08 12:21:37 PM

craig328: The United States has no interest whatsoever into getting into a biatchslap-fest with Iran (which Iran would almost immediately lose, BTW).


You mean like how the Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, and Afghans immediately lost ?
 
2012-03-08 12:23:17 PM

9beers: TsukasaK: In this thread: People who actually believe the IAEA and watchdog groups

You're right, from now on I'll only listen to Farkers. That makes a lot more sense than listening to the lies of the agency with boots on the ground. So tell me, what's in that facility that Iran is blocking access to? I'm guessing puppy dogs and go karts.


All the excess profits they have reaped on higher oil prices due to pansy chickenhawks like you biting on their bluff?
 
2012-03-08 12:23:31 PM
Why am I supposed to care if Iran has nukes? Lot's of loony countries have nukes, what's one more? I'm more nervous about N. Korea that Iran.
 
2012-03-08 12:23:45 PM

Amos Quito: 9beers: LasersHurt: Oh my god, Iran has earth-moving equipment? THE END IS NEAR.

I know, right? I'm sure it also means nothing that they continue to block access to the Parchin facility.


So, what is Israel's policy with regard to IAEA inspections of THEIR facilities?

Goose / Gander


Their policy is to follow the treaties they have signed. None of them include inspections by IAEA, but you knew that.
 
2012-03-08 12:25:19 PM

craig328: Not to disturb this circle jerk of Fark experts but two things prolly need to be noted. One: the people making the allegations are the diplomats ("the diplomats, all nuclear experts accredited to the International Atomic Energy Agency") and not the military, CIA, Mossad, the Israelis or whatever other group everyone here is wetting their pants/displaying faux outrage over. These folks aren't Americans. For crissake, they report to the UN and are headed by pretty much everyone except Americans (currently a Japanese diplomat, previously an Egyptian).

Second: the United States isn't and hasn't been the lead nation in all the "stop Iran from getting nukes" crowd. That's been Israel, France and to a lesser extent the rest of the EU. The US via Obama is the one pushing sanctions. The United States has no interest whatsoever into getting into a biatchslap-fest with Iran (which Iran would almost immediately lose, BTW).

I get it that it's cool and hip to be stridently screaming about "no war" and so on but pretty much everyone involved with the exception of some Iranians have concluded that what Iran is doing is aimed at making nuclear weapons. No war is fine and all but if we're all good with the Mullahs who currently supply several prominent terrorist outfits getting nukes then surely nobody has anything to worry about. If, on the other hand, you might indeed have an issue with a bunch of religious fanatics building nuclear weapons then yeah, you pay attention and publicize things like strip mining one of your nuclear facilities and trucking off the top layer of soil...cause, hey, who doesn't do that, right?

/sometimes there ARE good reasons to get all military-y
//Iran building nuclear weapons, by pretty much universal agreement, is one of them


2 wars in that area of the world have produced several trillion dollars in debt. Should the US go broke trying to invade a country 4 times the size of Iraq? Where do you suggest we get the 6 million military personnel that would require?

Sorry, Iran will have nuclear capabilities. It didn't have to be this way. We overthrew the Iranian government, installed the Shah, helped Israel get the bomb, invaded both Iraq and Afghanistan which border on Iran.

Iran is going to have nuclear power and nuclear weapons. And the US is not going to let France, Israel, Saudi Arabia or any other country use our dick to swing at their enemies. Those idiots don't want nuclear weapons in Iran. Go right ahead and invade. Use the bloom of your youth to wipe out Iran. Good luck with that. A war with Iran will destroy your economies and your militaries. Iran will do just what Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam did. Go underground and then shoot or bomb and run away.
 
2012-03-08 12:26:24 PM
The diplomats said they suspect attempts at sanitization because some of the vehicles at the scene appeared to be haulage trucks and other equipment suited to carting off potentially contaminated soil from the site.

Dump trucks and front-end loaders?

That can mean only ONE thing. ATTACK!!1
 
2012-03-08 12:27:12 PM

Lunaville: It is not boots on the ground or mushroom clouds. There is a third way and you know it.


I didn't identify the first two so you have the advantage. Go ahead and explain this sinister 3rd option that can only be referred to obliquely.

Slartibartfaster: You mean like how the Koreans, Vietnamese, Iraqis, and Afghans immediately lost ?


Are you suggesting that wars of 40 and 60 years ago are like the ones we fight today? Are you equally suggesting we didn't slap the everloving shiat out of the forces that opposed us in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or are you trying to equate the following political clusterfarks with the military dominance we'd bring to the table (and which I thought I was referring to via "biatchslapping").

Militarily, American force of arms dominated the enemy in all 4 of your examples...but I'm sure you already know that.
 
2012-03-08 12:28:54 PM

66dude: Uhhh... TFA talks only about Iran's attempt to cover up their nuclear testing. It says nothing about Iraq. Subby fails basic reading comprehension. Back to the short yellow bus for you, subby.


... why don't you join him there, for missing the joke.
 
2012-03-08 12:31:44 PM

Amos Quito: 9beers: Amos Quito: But no nuclear power for you, Iran

Who said Iran can't have nuclear power?


Why, Bibi Netanyahu did, that's who.

From Haaretz (yesterday) (new window):

QUOTE:

"But Netanyahu booby-trapped himself back while he was still making his way to Washington, when he presented Iran with a public demand: Dismantle the underground enrichment facility near Qom, cease all enrichment activity, and remove the medium-grade uranium from Iranian territory."

END QUOTE

Kind of hard to generate nuclear power when you can't enrich uranium AND USrael won't let them buy it from anyone else.




You want to back up the bolded portion?
 
2012-03-08 12:31:59 PM

wowzer97pooh: 2 wars in that area of the world have produced several trillion dollars in debt. Should the US go broke trying to invade a country 4 times the size of Iraq? Where do you suggest we get the 6 million military personnel that would require?


Wow. Um...I get that your hastily slammed out rejoinder was hasty and slammed out...but go back and read what I actually wrote before demanding that I come up with a solution for the imaginary 6 million troops your ass source just provided. I'm the guy that said:

The US via Obama is the one pushing sanctions. The United States has no interest whatsoever into getting into a biatchslap-fest with Iran

Seriously. You're pretty much talking to trees and debating walls with that response.
 
2012-03-08 12:32:34 PM

Crunch61: That's my point... It's incredibly doubtful a little bang* nuke went off either. We would know.

*comparative... nuclear triggers are still measured in kilotons


Example or source?

/not snark, sincere interest
 
2012-03-08 12:33:12 PM

Amos Quito: He is also begging Obama for the latest version of bunker buster bombs and new aerial refueling aircraft.


Yeah, they're carried by a Pegasus ridden by Santa Claus. Short of nuclear weapons you really can't bust a deep, well made bunker. Even nukes can't go all that far down.

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2012-03-08 12:34:18 PM
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