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2012-03-08 01:41:14 AM  
Adding to the long list of things about this situation that confuse me: why are people posting food in this thread and why does some of it look like where something from Aliens was killed?
 
2012-03-08 01:47:26 AM  

SubBass49: thenateman: SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...

You sound white November-born.


Funny thing: I was both on the West Coast and started school on the East Coast. The admissions office was actually trying to do time zone math because depending on which location you chose I was both either a few hours before or after the cutoff age for admissions. So I was, quite literally, the youngest person in the class. Ever.

/not that it made much of an impact on things
 
2012-03-08 02:08:22 AM  

Deathfrogg: Unlike Islam, there is fundamentlally no Christian impulse to create theocratic governments.


WTF? No, seriously, WTF?

Much of European history, and the settlement of the New World, was steeped in either outright or de facto Christian theocracy.

That entire time, Islam maintained a firm and rather absolute separation of religion and government. In fact, the first Muslim theocracy was Iran in 1979.
Yes, 1979. Arguably in response to what was seen as a Christian attempt to undermine and/or destroy them and their secular government (we had just overthrown their secular, pro-western democratic government and installed a dictator, then shortly afterward proceeded to give chemical and biological weapons to their neighbor for use against them.) No shiat they thought the Christians were a threat).

Which one has been around trying to destroy the other in holy wars since at least the crusades? Which one habitually had state religions for most of two millenia? Which one had purges, pogroms, crusades, and inquisitions regularly?

Really? Just because the Muslims FINALLY started acting in the last 30 years like we have for 2000, you get all butthurt and play victim now.
 
2012-03-08 02:09:40 AM  

soupbone: Flappyhead: Now, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, Hicks has filed suit against the school, claiming they violated her constitutional rights.

15 years old, already a mother and never gonna have to work another day in her life once the ACLU is through with this. She should write that principle a thank you note and hand deliver it as he's clearing out his desk after the inevitable firing.

I'm not sure that a) she is going to receive that much money b) she's pregnant at 15, not exactly and example of responsibility. That money will be gone in a year or two.


Don't worry, she can always move back to the reservation where it is a bastion of fiscal responsibility and no drinking issues watsoever.
 
2012-03-08 02:15:24 AM  
A Native American being mistreated in a state run school? Say it ain't so!
 
2012-03-08 02:16:16 AM  

calbert: the administrators not keeping their mouths closed isn't the problem, the problem is the slut not keeping her legs closed.


You see how one prevents the other from occurring?

her and her parent should be ashamed. She didn't want anybody to know? Yeah, good luck hiding that baby bump. Kids would've been talking shiat and rumors would've been flying, the school prevented that from occurring.

Yes, use her as an example, that your actions have consequences. If she thinks she's adult enough to have sex, then welcome to the adult world of having to live with the decisions that you've made.



"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you."
 
2012-03-08 02:18:00 AM  

Moonfisher: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?
Try 40 years. My parents were married at 16 and had my sister a year later, during my mom's senior year. They told her pregnant students must complete their diploma via correspondence, even married ones, because they "make the school look bad." My mom wasn't a troublemaker, either, she had been involved in student government and all that rot. This was in 1970 in a Southern California high school near Long Beach.

They allowed her to come on campus only to practice with the choir. They had to give a solo performance for their midterm, and my mother waddled in there 7 months pregnant and sang "I'm Just a Girl Who Can't Say No" from Oklahoma.


Your mother is farking awesome.
 
2012-03-08 02:19:31 AM  

Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby: Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.

There's an easy way to avoid being teased for being pregnant.

Yes, but the same conservatives who are ready to slap a red S on her chest are also the ones trying to shut down any abortion clinic she could get to.


Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.
 
2012-03-08 02:20:17 AM  

CliChe Guevara: Really? Just because the Muslims FINALLY started acting in the last 30 years like we have for 2000, you get all butthurt and play victim now.


Really?

No, it's just in the last 30 years those nations have had enough money to either do what they want, or draw the attention of people who want that money.

To claim that either Christianity or Islam is somehow more 'theocratic leaning' than another is a really inaccurate representation.
 
2012-03-08 02:22:27 AM  

untaken_name: Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods?


The statement that American conservatives are trying to shut them all down, or rather, remove this featureset from them is not unfounded.
 
2012-03-08 02:24:30 AM  

tomcatadam: The statement that American conservatives are trying to shut them all down, or rather, remove this featureset from them is not unfounded.


A lot of people are trying to do a lot of things. But that doesn't mean they are above the law, nor that they are capable of changing it.
 
2012-03-08 02:26:12 AM  
Came for the Blakes Lotaburger porn, leaving satisfied and a little aroused.
 
2012-03-08 02:27:29 AM  

untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby: Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.

There's an easy way to avoid being teased for being pregnant.

Yes, but the same conservatives who are ready to slap a red S on her chest are also the ones trying to shut down any abortion clinic she could get to.

Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.


Are you being funny on purpose or are you really that out of touch? I think it's something like 80% of counties in the US have no abortion provider. You haven't heard about how some states are making the rules and regulations so stringent that abortion providers have to shut down because they can't meet them. You haven't heard about intimidation of abortion providers and prospective patients? You haven't heard about all these other requirements they are trying to force women to go through in order to humiliate them out of having an abortion?

I'm sure you have, I mean, you'd have to be living in a cave to have not heard such things.
 
2012-03-08 02:27:31 AM  

untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.


Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...
 
2012-03-08 02:30:45 AM  

SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...


Clearly you weren't, because you failed to realize the baby is now about two or three years old....
 
2012-03-08 02:33:24 AM  

Pincy: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby: Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.

There's an easy way to avoid being teased for being pregnant.

Yes, but the same conservatives who are ready to slap a red S on her chest are also the ones trying to shut down any abortion clinic she could get to.

Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Are you being funny on purpose or are you really that out of touch? I think it's something like 80% of counties in the US have no abortion provider. You haven't heard about how some states are making the rules and regulations so stringent that abortion providers have to shut down because they can't meet them. You haven't heard about intimidation of abortion providers and prospective patients? You haven't heard about all these other requirements they are trying to force women to go through in order to humiliate them out of having an abortion?

I'm sure you have, I mean, you'd have to be living in a cave to have not heard such things.


Everyone I've known (and I've known several) who wanted an abortion was able to get one without any problems. I guess they're just luckier than most.
 
2012-03-08 02:34:14 AM  

untaken_name: Everyone I've known (and I've known several) who wanted an abortion was able to get one without any problems. I guess they're just luckier than most.


Yes, anecdotal evidence is always the best evidence.
 
2012-03-08 02:36:11 AM  

cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


I don't doubt that some purported Christians would be perfectly happy if that happened. Any time humans define an "us" and "them" it is proven in many psychology studies (and history) that they don't consider the "them" as fully human and are quite content to let any number of terrible things happen. Or to put it another way, once your heart is hardened against someone there isn't really any limit or mercy. And history has plenty of examples of Christians quite happy to put people to death or otherwise demean and torture.

Again, it is the problem with "us" and "them". A "real" Christian (i.e. always acts in the spirit of what would Jesus do) would consider everyone in the world (who ever lived or died) is one of "us" and never direct hate or scorn against anyone. Doesn't matter if they are a sinner, murderer, prostitute, slave, or anything -- as a real Christian you never harden your heart. Any time you see someone harden their heart, they are simply not a real Christian. I wish a prominent preacher in the US would stand up for real Christianity and call out any other so-called Christian who expresses any anger, hate, exclusion, harshness against his fellow man.
 
2012-03-08 02:36:34 AM  

Animatronik: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.


Give an example of a major government that was a Christian theocracy anytime, anyplace. Sure there's been religious persecution against non-Christians. Sure there's been kings who claimed to rule by the grace of God.

Look for one in the modern world and the best you'll find are countries like Malta and Monaco. Unlike Islam, there is fundamentlally no Christian impulse to create theocratic governments.

Christianity doesn't promote ritual shaming of unwed mothers either.
Unfortunately, what Catholicism seems to promote is sheltering of criminal priests who abuse their flocks.


Vatican City. It is it's own nation, with its own ruler (currently Pope Benedict whatever number he is), its own Ambassadors, and its own currency. It is a political power and it is, by definition and in the very strictest of terms, a Christian Theocracy.

In history, several places would fit the definition, though whether they'd have been called Christian theocracies at the time is debatable:

Geneva at the height of Calvin's influence
Florence from 1494-1498 under the rule of Dominican Priest Girolamo Savonarola
The Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem 1099-1299
England under Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell

You did say anytime, anyplace. ;)


The only modern Christian theocracy in existence is, as mentioned above, Vatican City.

The only other current known and acknowledged theocracy in the world is Iran - which is, of course, Islamic. Your statement that Islam has a fundamental impulse to create theocratic governments, based on that evidence alone (given the fact that there are many more Muslims in the world than there are Christians), may not necessarily be a factual statement.

In both Christianity and Judaism, we are taught the same thing: the king (political leader) and priest (spiritual leader) are not and cannot be the same man. There's a bit of conflict of interest there because men are corrupt, as a general rule.


Back to the topic at hand, while some people who call themselves Christians seem to think public humiliation is useful, I do not. Nor do I feel it falls in line with the commandment to "love one another." The school was wrong, period. As a Christian, civil rights are secondary to me (and they were violated). What's most important, since someone's turned this into a Christian fundamentalist question (not that I'm surprised; this is Fark) is, is it fundamentally Christian to humiliate someone because they may have done something that is "wrong" or "sin" in God's eyes?

The answer to that is clear for any Christian. Fundamentally, the commandment is "love one another." As God has loved us, so we are to love one another. If we cannot love our brothers who we can see, how can we love God, who we cannot see? That, is fundamentally what it is to be a Christian. Seems too many Christians too often forget that. Maybe it's time we reminded them.
 
2012-03-08 02:40:39 AM  

ladyfortuna: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...


I guess they'd have to choose one of the 1,787 abortion providers in New Mexico, then, like 14% of pregnant women in New Mexico do.
 
2012-03-08 02:40:54 AM  

GGracie: Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?

No. Remember, it's always the girl's fault if she gets pregnant because she's a dirty little whore.


They also kick out all the boys who become visibly pregnant.

The law excludes both the rich and the poor from sleeping under bridges.

Guys are studs if they have sex. Girls are whores if they have sex.

Yes. This is the game we have set up. don't blame the kids if they're playing it. You want girls to exchange a good part of their sexually mature life. I get it. But beyond that, it's not just sufficient that they learn enough to be a) functional, operational adults, but you want them to b) optimize their personal intellectual development and then c) build a skil-base from which they can derive a comfortable, labor-free lifestyle.

Let's put it another way: If a gal decided that all she wanted to do with her life was be a mother and a caregiver, we'd find her to be terribly irresponsible.
 
2012-03-08 02:41:19 AM  

Pincy: untaken_name: Everyone I've known (and I've known several) who wanted an abortion was able to get one without any problems. I guess they're just luckier than most.

Yes, anecdotal evidence is always the best evidence.


As opposed to your hearsay? At least what I know actually happened to me. That's called "testimony".
 
2012-03-08 02:45:32 AM  

kim jong-un: CliChe Guevara: Really? Just because the Muslims FINALLY started acting in the last 30 years like we have for 2000, you get all butthurt and play victim now.

Really?

No, it's just in the last 30 years those nations have had enough money to either do what they want, or draw the attention of people who want that money.

To claim that either Christianity or Islam is somehow more 'theocratic leaning' than another is a really inaccurate representation.


Not really, it is pretty accurate. Islam isn't a particularly organized religion. Christianity, especially the RCC has been exceptionally organized for millenia. There isn't and hasn't ever been anyone in Islam with the political power close to the Pope. Most Muslim countries have and have had secular leaders -- even all our favorite Middle Eastern enemies (Saddam, Gaddafi, etc) were secular Even the modern-day decrepit Pope leading a widely-ridiculed RCC wields way more political power than any Muslim.
 
2012-03-08 02:47:50 AM  

untaken_name: ladyfortuna: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...

I guess they'd have to choose one of the 1,787 abortion providers in New Mexico, then, like 14% of pregnant women in New Mexico do.


Where did you pull that number out of???

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/new_mexico.html

- In 2008, there were 12 abortion providers in New Mexico. This represents no change from 2005, when there were 12 abortion providers.

- In 2008, 91% of New Mexico counties had no abortion provider. 50% of New Mexico women lived in these counties.

Seriously, this stuff is not that hard to research on the Internets.
 
2012-03-08 02:50:56 AM  

ladyfortuna: I suggest we follow the women of Liberia and go on a sex strike. If (straight) politicians couldn't get laid, how fast do you think they'd stop with these ridiculous laws? (I'd say though, make an exception for men in your life who already agree this is all nonsense).


Lysistrata.

But the point was *not* to make any exceptions. That way, the men who already agree with you (but are still missing their nightly lovin'), put the pressure on the men who DO NOT agree with you, and thus things are changed.
 
2012-03-08 02:52:27 AM  
Poor girl. I guess a little understanding, maybe some counseling and kindness was out of the question.
 
2012-03-08 03:05:52 AM  

Pincy: untaken_name: ladyfortuna: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...

I guess they'd have to choose one of the 1,787 abortion providers in New Mexico, then, like 14% of pregnant women in New Mexico do.

Where did you pull that number out of???

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/new_mexico.html

- In 2008, there were 12 abortion providers in New Mexico. This represents no change from 2005, when there were 12 abortion providers.

- In 2008, 91% of New Mexico counties had no abortion provider. 50% of New Mexico women lived in these counties.

Seriously, this stuff is not that hard to research on the Internets.


It was a misquote on my part - intended to say "in the US" instead of "in New Mexico" but I confused myself with the next stat, that 14% of specifically New Mexico births end in abortion. So the point is that if 14% of pregnancies end in abortion in New Mexico, it doesn't seem likely that abortion is difficult to obtain.
But yes, I did mistakenly put "in New Mexico" instead of "in the US" after the abortion provider number. My apologies for the mistake.
 
2012-03-08 03:34:57 AM  

untaken_name: Pincy: untaken_name: ladyfortuna: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...

I guess they'd have to choose one of the 1,787 abortion providers in New Mexico, then, like 14% of pregnant women in New Mexico do.

Where did you pull that number out of???

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/new_mexico.html

- In 2008, there were 12 abortion providers in New Mexico. This represents no change from 2005, when there were 12 abortion providers.

- In 2008, 91% of New Mexico counties had no abortion provider. 50% of New Mexico women lived in these counties.

Seriously, this stuff is not that hard to research on the Internets.

It was a misquote on my part - intended to say "in the US" instead of "in New Mexico" but I confused myself with the next stat, that 14% of specifically New Mexico births end in abortion. So the point is that if 14% of pregnancies end in abortion in New Mexico, it doesn't seem likely that abortion is difficult to obtain.
But yes, I did mistakenly put "in New Mexico" instead of "in the US" after the abortion provider number. My apologies for the mistake.


Duly noted about the mistake. Sorry if I jumped on you too hard.

I see what you are saying about the 14% but that doesn't mean it was necessarily easy for this girl. Like ladyfortuna pointed out, the nearest clinic from that zip was 92 miles away. She's only 15 so that complicates things as well. As I mentioned, there are only 12 abortion providers in the whole state. 90% of the counties don't have one. My guess is that most of them are located in the most populous parts of the state so yes, since a lot of women will live close to them then they will have better access, but people in the more rural parts of the state will have a harder time getting access.

The web site I quoted says that New Mexico does not have any major restriction on abortion, so other than that there are only 12 or so providers it appears that women who want abortions and can get to them, although the 14% rate is actually 5 points lower than the national average.

But we are just focusing on this one instance. You have to look at the overall picture. Many states are putting unnecessary rules on abortion in an attempt to discourage them. 87% of all counties in the US don't even have one abortion provider. I just read that in Kansas they won't even allow insurance companies to cover abortion by default (except in cases of life endagerment), you have to purchase an additional rider in order to get it covered. That's the state farking with private insurance plans. And I'm seeing that this isn't the only state. A lot of states are mandating 24-hour waiting periods and state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage a woman from having an abortion. So now not only might you have to travel 92 miles to get to a provider but then you have to do it again after 24 hours.

So yes, Roe v Wade is still technically the law in this country but there are a lot of states that are doing their best to keep women from exercising their rights.
 
2012-03-08 03:56:35 AM  

ladyfortuna: I suggest we follow the women of Liberia and go on a sex strike. If (straight) politicians couldn't get laid, how fast do you think they'd stop with these ridiculous laws?


I think that's a contributing factor here. Politicians who as teens were mad to stay away from girls (where do you think they got the "girls are farking whores" line from? their parents), or their current unlikeable personalities were just as unlikeable back then.
 
2012-03-08 03:57:22 AM  
Since when did "I wanted to tell people about it on my own time rather than be forced to announce it in front of everyone Right Now" turn into "I don't want a baby at all"? She's raising the kid, that sounds a lot like taking responsibility for the situation she put herself in. She did Not, however, put herself in the position of having to announce it at an assembly; that part was forced. Fark every single one of you who are criticizing this girl or saying she should have aborted the kid. I'm pro-choice but the kid's out already, it obviously wasn't the option she chose at the time. It's a shiatty situation all around but ya know what you do with people who are going through a hard time? You support them and do what you can to make things easier. You don't sit there and laugh or make fun of them or say they should go through another potentially traumatic experience to mitigate their current situation. That's the kind of thing a complete piece of barely-sentient shiat does, not a real human being.
 
2012-03-08 04:00:23 AM  
Did I misread the article or does it say she was 15 in eighth grade at an elementary school?
 
2012-03-08 04:04:14 AM  

Spike123: ya know what you do with people who are going through a hard time? You support them and do what you can to make things easier. You don't sit there and laugh or make fun of them or say they should go through another potentially traumatic experience to mitigate their current situation. That's the kind of thing a complete piece of barely-sentient shiat does, not a real human being.


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2012-03-08 04:11:07 AM  
Where does it actually say she isn't the victim of child abuse? Because when I hear "pregnant underage girl" and "elementary school" shouldn't that be the first thing people look for? Even twenty years ago when I was in school I think the majority of teenage pregnancies at least involved some discussion of statutory rape, of not actual rape. What's the age of consent where she's at?

If this guy called out a rape victim I hope they hang the bastard.
 
2012-03-08 04:38:57 AM  
Wingate Elementary is a public boarding school for Native American children

and yet the ACLU overlooks the fact that it's a public school catering to one ethnicity. no problem there
 
2012-03-08 04:40:43 AM  
So, she's embarrased about being outed so she tells the whole world? You don't suppose she wnts MONEY do you? Nah, it's just because she was wronged. I'm sure she will donate all the money she gets toa worthy cause, like preventing teen pregnancies.

Oh, one more thing, a 15 year old 8th grader? Isn't that about the normal age for a sophomore in high school?
 
2012-03-08 04:42:53 AM  

lohphat: Regressive Puritans want the 1600's back.


Fundamentalist Christians aren't nearly that enlightened.

1600 BC maybe.

Dextro: Did I misread the article or does it say she was 15 in eighth grade at an elementary school?


Some Schools bundle 7-9th grade together.
 
2012-03-08 04:46:29 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: So, she's embarrased about being outed so she tells the whole world?


If she was worried about her safety that might make sense, but I don't see why it would be unlikely that she feels embarrassed about being outed to a few hundred people she knows and/or interacts with but not to a few million strangers around the world who read a news article. It's hard to be verbally abused and feel judged by a statistic.
 
2012-03-08 05:04:19 AM  

Pincy: Duly noted about the mistake. Sorry if I jumped on you too hard.

I see what you are saying about the 14% but that doesn't mean it was necessarily easy for this girl. Like ladyfortuna pointed out, the nearest clinic from that zip was 92 miles away. She's only 15 so that complicates things as well. As I mentioned, there are only 12 abortion providers in the whole state. 90% of the counties don't have one. My guess is that most of them are located in the most populous parts of the state so yes, since a lot of women will live close to them then they will have better access, but people in the more rural parts of the state will have a harder time getting access.

The web site I quoted says that New Mexico does not have any major restriction on abortion, so other than that there are only 12 or so providers it appears that women who want abortions and can get to them, although the 14% rate is actually 5 points lower than the national average.

But we are just focusing on this one instance. You have to look at the overall picture. Many states are putting unnecessary rules on abortion in an attempt to discourage them. 87% of all counties in the US don't even have one abortion provider. I just read that in Kansas they won't even allow insurance companies to cover abortion by default (except in cases of life endagerment), you have to purchase an additional rider in order to get it covered. That's the state farking with private insurance plans. And I'm seeing that this isn't the only state. A lot of states are mandating 24-hour waiting periods and state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage a woman from having an abortion. So now not only might you have to travel 92 miles to get to a provider but then you have to do it again after 24 hours.

So yes, Roe v Wade is still technically the law in this country but there are a lot of states that are doing their best to keep women from exercising their rights.


It's okay, mistakes should be corrected, no matter who makes them.

The "87% of counties don't have an abortion provider" statistic is misleading. Those counties contain less than 1/3 of the nation's population. The two most densely-populated areas, the New York area and the Los Angeles area, also have plenty of providers. The 87% number is chosen rather than the 1/3 number because it seems scarier, but that's disingenuous. Also, I'm okay with insurance providers charging extra for covering elective procedures. As far as states making it harder to get an abortion, well, there are other states that aren't doing that, right? Moving to another state might seem like a drastic solution, but it's a lot easier to accomplish than influencing an entire state legislature. Heck, I'm considering changing states just to get lower property tax rates. It kind of seems like it would be better to live in a state whose laws and policies were more closely aligned with your own. It's true that a 15 year old can't move by him or herself. That's because they shouldn't be making those kinds of decisions on their own yet. I would certainly include medical procedures in that category.
 
2012-03-08 05:35:39 AM  

SubBass49: thenateman: SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...

You sound white November-born like an insufferable asshole.

 
2012-03-08 05:57:56 AM  

USP .45: Wingate Elementary is a public boarding school for Native American children

and yet the ACLU overlooks the fact that it's a public school catering to one ethnicity. no problem there


There have been Native American boarding schools since the 19th century.
 
2012-03-08 05:59:28 AM  

untaken_name: Pincy: Duly noted about the mistake. Sorry if I jumped on you too hard.

I see what you are saying about the 14% but that doesn't mean it was necessarily easy for this girl. Like ladyfortuna pointed out, the nearest clinic from that zip was 92 miles away. She's only 15 so that complicates things as well. As I mentioned, there are only 12 abortion providers in the whole state. 90% of the counties don't have one. My guess is that most of them are located in the most populous parts of the state so yes, since a lot of women will live close to them then they will have better access, but people in the more rural parts of the state will have a harder time getting access.

The web site I quoted says that New Mexico does not have any major restriction on abortion, so other than that there are only 12 or so providers it appears that women who want abortions and can get to them, although the 14% rate is actually 5 points lower than the national average.

But we are just focusing on this one instance. You have to look at the overall picture. Many states are putting unnecessary rules on abortion in an attempt to discourage them. 87% of all counties in the US don't even have one abortion provider. I just read that in Kansas they won't even allow insurance companies to cover abortion by default (except in cases of life endagerment), you have to purchase an additional rider in order to get it covered. That's the state farking with private insurance plans. And I'm seeing that this isn't the only state. A lot of states are mandating 24-hour waiting periods and state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage a woman from having an abortion. So now not only might you have to travel 92 miles to get to a provider but then you have to do it again after 24 hours.

So yes, Roe v Wade is still technically the law in this country but there are a lot of states that are doing their best to keep women from exercising their rights.

It's okay, mistakes should be correct ...


Alright then. 28% of women don't have access to an abortion provider. There. Happy? Does that sound better?
 
2012-03-08 06:34:21 AM  
Clearly she's a democratic plant.
 
2012-03-08 06:42:45 AM  

calbert: the administrators not keeping their mouths closed isn't the problem, the problem is the slut not keeping her legs closed.


You see how one prevents the other from occurring?

her and her parent should be ashamed. She didn't want anybody to know? Yeah, good luck hiding that baby bump. Kids would've been talking shiat and rumors would've been flying, the school prevented that from occurring.

Yes, use her as an example, that your actions have consequences. If she thinks she's adult enough to have sex, then welcome to the adult world of having to live with the decisions that you've made.


And the judge will not agree, and he'll tell you so-ho-ho-ho.
(W/apologies to Lennon-McCartney)
 
2012-03-08 07:00:59 AM  

Brainmeat: Alright then. 28% of women don't have access to an abortion provider. There. Happy? Does that sound better?


No, I'm not happy, because "in a different county" doesn't automatically equal "has no access" and you're being deceptive by pretending those terms are equivalent. For example, my job used to be three counties away from my home. According to you, I didn't have access to the one while I was at the other. Ridiculous. But, since you asked, yes, 28% of people not having access sounds a lot better than 87%. Are you seriously trying to say that it doesn't?
 
2012-03-08 07:07:07 AM  
I don't understand how we're supposed to be perfectly ok with an 8th grader getting pregnant.
 
2012-03-08 07:08:05 AM  

untaken_name: Brainmeat: Alright then. 28% of women don't have access to an abortion provider. There. Happy? Does that sound better?

No, I'm not happy, because "in a different county" doesn't automatically equal "has no access" and you're being deceptive by pretending those terms are equivalent. For example, my job used to be three counties away from my home. According to you, I didn't have access to the one while I was at the other. Ridiculous. But, since you asked, yes, 28% of people not having access sounds a lot better than 87%. Are you seriously trying to say that it doesn't?


Well you are still arguing for the abortion of an already-born baby, so I would be more worried about being a stupid asshole than whether or not some random Fark poster is happy or not. Remind me again why you're still talking?
 
2012-03-08 07:10:09 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand how we're supposed to be perfectly ok with an 8th grader getting pregnant.


I don't see how thinking 'slut shaming' is wrong is the wrong approach to the problem is the same as being ok with an 8th grader being pregnant.
 
2012-03-08 07:10:11 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand how we're supposed to be perfectly ok with an 8th grader getting pregnant.


We're not, so ignore the morons that think it's ok.
 
2012-03-08 07:11:19 AM  

Mr.Tangent: I don't see how thinking 'slut shaming' is wrong is the wrong approach to the problem is the same as being ok with an 8th grader being pregnant.


That made more sense in my head. I talk gud.
 
2012-03-08 07:13:14 AM  

Spike123: untaken_name: Brainmeat: Alright then. 28% of women don't have access to an abortion provider. There. Happy? Does that sound better?

No, I'm not happy, because "in a different county" doesn't automatically equal "has no access" and you're being deceptive by pretending those terms are equivalent. For example, my job used to be three counties away from my home. According to you, I didn't have access to the one while I was at the other. Ridiculous. But, since you asked, yes, 28% of people not having access sounds a lot better than 87%. Are you seriously trying to say that it doesn't?

Well you are still arguing for the abortion of an already-born baby, so I would be more worried about being a stupid asshole than whether or not some random Fark poster is happy or not. Remind me again why you're still talking?


Gah, no edit button. Minus 1 "happy or not", insert "saying either one matters in this particular case".
 
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