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2012-03-07 07:16:52 PM  
i14.photobucket.com
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-03-07 07:18:42 PM  
Remember, if you ban birth control or make it more difficult to obtain, everyone will stop having sex until they are married.
 
2012-03-07 07:18:55 PM  
Holy fark.
 
2012-03-07 07:20:16 PM  
What a dick move
 
2012-03-07 07:20:38 PM  
Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?
 
2012-03-07 07:22:57 PM  
Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?
 
2012-03-07 07:27:30 PM  
But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.
 
2012-03-07 07:32:57 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?


That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.
 
2012-03-07 07:34:31 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?


Probably unnecessary. The kinds of guys who would impregnate a 15-year-old eight-grader are usually the the ones who dropped out as high school sophomores, as soon as they turned 21.
 
2012-03-07 07:35:04 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?


No, they're needed in the big game this weekend.
 
2012-03-07 07:35:05 PM  

GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.


I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery
 
2012-03-07 07:36:19 PM  
This is the America the GOP wants.
 
2012-03-07 07:36:56 PM  

cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


True. Damned European socialist sport. We'd execute them on a real American football field, or possibly a baseball diamond.
 
2012-03-07 07:38:43 PM  

MorrisBird: cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery

True. Damned European socialist sport. We'd execute them on a real American football field, or possibly a baseball diamond.


Ok, I laughed
 
2012-03-07 07:41:47 PM  

cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


Ah. So we're OK because we're not quite Saudi Arabia? That is not a goal worth aspiring to.
 
2012-03-07 07:45:02 PM  

GAT_00: Ah. So we're OK because we're not quite Saudi Arabia? That is not a goal worth aspiring to.


If we "drill, baby, drill," we'll have just as much oil as the Saudis!
 
2012-03-07 07:50:43 PM  

gerrymander: Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?

Probably unnecessary. The kinds of guys who would impregnate a 15-year-old eight-grader are usually the the ones who dropped out as high school sophomores, as soon as they turned 21.


I figured as much on that part.

I'm referring to the guys who knocked up someone - anyone - out of wedlock. Were they kicked out?
 
2012-03-07 08:00:34 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?


Regressive Puritans want the 1600's back.
 
2012-03-07 08:01:50 PM  

cman: I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


No they'd just deny her contraceptives and abortion so she' go to some back-ally place and have it done and die during the process.
 
2012-03-07 08:33:12 PM  
They already made this movie:

i41.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-07 09:01:22 PM  
Boarding school? If this is a female-only school, I think I know where to look for Daddy...

Extra credit?
 
2012-03-07 09:03:04 PM  
Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.
 
2012-03-07 09:11:03 PM  
people.virginia.edu.
 
2012-03-07 09:12:56 PM  

namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.


At least the way too young mother will have money to take care of her child when she wins the lawsuit, or the ACLU makes sure they settle out of court for a handsome sum.

It's not a HIPPA issue, in this case, but if you read the article, it's "violation of constitutional rights to equal protection and of the Title IX prohibition against sex and pregnancy discrimination in education."
 
2012-03-07 09:17:05 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?


No. Remember, it's always the girl's fault if she gets pregnant because she's a dirty little whore.

Guys are studs if they have sex. Girls are whores if they have sex.

*rolls eyes*
 
2012-03-07 09:17:41 PM  
Wait, there are high school girls in Gallup that aren't pregnant?
 
2012-03-07 09:20:01 PM  
15 in eigth grade? Great school you got there...
 
2012-03-07 09:33:58 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?


I KNOW!

Today these kids usually wait until they're at LEAST 16 to get pregnant.
 
2012-03-07 09:40:35 PM  
They went tribal on her
 
2012-03-07 09:46:32 PM  

NewportBarGuy: They already made this movie:

[i41.tinypic.com image 511x755]


namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.


I find Cheryl unremorseful...about her unfortunate condition.
 
2012-03-07 10:00:28 PM  

namegoeshere: 15 in eigth grade? Great school you got there...


She's 15 now. Do you see the babby with the full head of hair she's holding? They kicked her out before she was even showing. Also? The ACLU filed the suit today, and it takes quite a while to get one of those together, too.
 
2012-03-07 10:00:37 PM  
Meh, I'd be more embarrassed to be 15 and in eighth grade.
 
2012-03-07 10:00:42 PM  
How very improper. The young woman is a strong courageous woman and needs to be supported not abused by the people she trusts.
 
2012-03-07 10:02:21 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: namegoeshere: 15 in eigth grade? Great school you got there...

She's 15 now. Do you see the babby with the full head of hair she's holding? They kicked her out before she was even showing. Also? The ACLU filed the suit today, and it takes quite a while to get one of those together, too.


Oh, never mind.......

/you can tell me to STFU
 
2012-03-07 10:03:34 PM  

HeadKase: They went tribal on her


This land was your land!
Now this land is my land!
And this land,
Is not your land,
Anymoooooore!!!
 
2012-03-07 10:04:39 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?


This was the first thing I thought of also. If a classmate is the father, did the school do the same thing to him as they did to the girl or do they think pregnancy is just the girls fault?
 
2012-03-07 10:04:55 PM  

muck4doo: But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.


Really? That's the nugget of wisdom you want to run with?
 
2012-03-07 10:09:07 PM  

muck4doo: But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.


I think that was bad phrasing. I read it as "none of her classmates, other than her sister, knew" Obviously all the adults, the ACLU and her parents knew.
 
2012-03-07 10:10:29 PM  

serpent_sky: namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.

At least the way too young mother will have money to take care of her child when she wins the lawsuit, or the ACLU makes sure they settle out of court for a handsome sum.

It's not a HIPPA issue, in this case, but if you read the article, it's "violation of constitutional rights to equal protection and of the Title IX prohibition against sex and pregnancy discrimination in education."


Added bonus is that she is native in NM.
This situation is pathetic all around. Girls that age should not be having sex and in no way are ready to bear the burden of a child.
The principle may have attempted to use her as an example of what should not happen. If he is white he will be crucified; if he is native it will be another story.
 
2012-03-07 10:10:31 PM  

propasaurus: muck4doo: But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.

Really? That's the nugget of wisdom you want to run with?


I don't know...that's pretty mean spirited, but also pretty apposite.
 
2012-03-07 10:14:24 PM  

basemetal: Runs_With_Scissors_: namegoeshere: 15 in eigth grade? Great school you got there...

She's 15 now. Do you see the babby with the full head of hair she's holding? They kicked her out before she was even showing. Also? The ACLU filed the suit today, and it takes quite a while to get one of those together, too.

Oh, never mind.......

/you can tell me to STFU


I'd get all up on my high horse if I hadn't thought the same thing. Then, I took off my socks so I could count higher than 10. Presto!
 
2012-03-07 10:20:29 PM  

Ryan2065: Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?

This was the first thing I thought of also. If a classmate is the father, did the school do the same thing to him as they did to the girl or do they think pregnancy is just the girls fault?


Something, something, aspirin between the legs, something, something.

/don't want any student kicked out because of pregnancy
// wishes sex education and birth control were readily available for all
 
2012-03-07 10:24:33 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Added bonus is that she is native in NM.


There is regular f*cked-up and then there is New Mexico f*cked-up. It's like 7-layer Bean F*cked Up.
 
2012-03-07 10:30:22 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: AbbeySomeone: Added bonus is that she is native in NM.

There is regular f*cked-up and then there is New Mexico f*cked-up. It's like 7-layer Bean F*cked Up.


yep. I spent a few years there. The tribe will be up everyone's ass over this with little or no culpability on the father.

/miss green chili
 
2012-03-07 11:08:12 PM  

omnibus_necanda_sunt: [i14.photobucket.com image 640x480]


Really? C'mon, man.

lohphat: Regressive Puritans want the 1600's back.


Except that the Puritans were total fu*k machines, just like the rest of us pleasure-driven mammals. They actually had pretty ambivalent attitudes about sex before marriage, fu*king in public and the like.

The Regressive Puritans want a place back that never existed. They want Father Knows Best.
 
2012-03-07 11:14:00 PM  
How very Victorian.
 
2012-03-07 11:17:05 PM  
You can't have sex education.

You can't have contraception.

You can't have that babby here!

You can't have an education.

Bastards.
 
2012-03-07 11:21:27 PM  
Good thing she wasn't from Wisconsin
 
2012-03-07 11:22:06 PM  

cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


They'd want us to see their terrified eyes, so no veil.
 
2012-03-07 11:22:35 PM  
"I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

Not saying what the principal did was right, but you're classmates where probably going to figure it out anyways.
 
2012-03-07 11:22:51 PM  
The first rule of pregnant club is nobody mentions pregnant club.
 
2012-03-07 11:23:22 PM  
the administrators not keeping their mouths closed isn't the problem, the problem is the slut not keeping her legs closed.


You see how one prevents the other from occurring?

her and her parent should be ashamed. She didn't want anybody to know? Yeah, good luck hiding that baby bump. Kids would've been talking shiat and rumors would've been flying, the school prevented that from occurring.

Yes, use her as an example, that your actions have consequences. If she thinks she's adult enough to have sex, then welcome to the adult world of having to live with the decisions that you've made.
 
2012-03-07 11:24:37 PM  

AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie


FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-07 11:25:59 PM  

MBK: Remember, if you ban birth control or make it more difficult to obtain, everyone will stop having sex until they are married.


Which is what the fundies want. They can't STAND the thought of other people being able to do something that their religion forbids them from doing. They won't be happy until everybody else is as miserable and repressed as they are.
 
2012-03-07 11:26:06 PM  

tjsands1118: "I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

Not saying what the principal did was right, but you're classmates where probably going to figure it out anyways.


THIS (minus the mistakes and such).
 
2012-03-07 11:26:18 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?


Look at the republican party. Each and every one of their presidential candidates are either religious extremists, or beholden to them.

So, the answer to your question, apparently, is yes.
 
2012-03-07 11:26:28 PM  
AMERICUH, LAND OF THE FREEEEE.
 
2012-03-07 11:26:31 PM  

propasaurus: muck4doo: But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.

Really? That's the nugget of wisdom you want to run with?


Do you want truth, or what makes you feel best? Where am I wrong, asshole?
 
2012-03-07 11:26:34 PM  
Gee thanks Rick and Rush, for showing conservatives that its okay to be judgemental douchebags.
 
2012-03-07 11:26:45 PM  

AbbeySomeone: yep. I spent a few years there. The tribe will be up everyone's ass over this with little or no culpability on the father.


I grew up there, and yes. Not Gallup, but I know it well.

AbbeySomeone: /miss green chili


You're up here in the PNW. Did you know that QFC has been importing fresh Hatch green chili (and frozen, but meh) for the past couple of years? When in season, of course.

Kind of blew my mind to be smelling roasting Hatch chili and fresh Seattle rain in my back yard at the same time. I recommend it.
 
2012-03-07 11:27:17 PM  
Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...
 
2012-03-07 11:27:55 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: You can't have sex education.

You can't have contraception.

You can't have that babby here!

You can't have an education.

Bastards.


Sex education was 9th grade. I'm pretty sure most parents wouldn't consider contraception until high school, saying that as a parent with a kid in middle school.
 
2012-03-07 11:28:10 PM  
Score another win for The Religion of Tolerance.
 
2012-03-07 11:28:15 PM  
Lorelle: If we "drill, baby, drill," we'll have just as much oil as the Saudis!

Or just as much baby as the fifteen year-old.
 
2012-03-07 11:28:19 PM  
Pop-quiz, class: How is babby formed? Anyone? Anyone? Shantelle?
 
2012-03-07 11:28:19 PM  
Is this country truly so farked that we have pockets of people who think it's okay under any circumstances whatsoever for a bunch of adults to slut-shame a goddamn eighth-grader?

And if you are one of those people, could you please FOESADIAF?
 
2012-03-07 11:28:30 PM  
Way to go Republicans. You have so much to be proud of.

Maybe you'd have liked her better if she had an abortion instead.

Oh, riiiight!
 
2012-03-07 11:28:40 PM  
I have a dream. I want to compose a simple test dealing with key Federal and Supreme Court lawsuits that cover student rights (for example, one question would be, True or False, you can kick out a student who is pregnant?) and I will travel the country giving this test to school administrators. Those that fail will then be beaten with a hard-cover book containing all of these cases. For those who fail the test it can be assumed that they were incapable of learning through normal means so maybe learning through osmosis will work.

Seriously, how the hell do so many schools continually fark up on constitutional rights of their students? The number of landmark cases that are relevant are not that many, only a few dozen, and many of those cover similar topics (such as prayer in school). Every principal in the country should be required to take a course on the United States Constitution and how it applies to students and schools.
 
2012-03-07 11:29:06 PM  
there was a girl we all thought was really cool because she drove herself to 8th grade... then we realized that she was 16 and in 8th grade....

/the idea is hysterical, although i do feel bad that things in her life must have been messed up.
 
2012-03-07 11:29:07 PM  

thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]


Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-03-07 11:29:41 PM  
welcome to 1950.

/ashamed of the USA every farking day
 
2012-03-07 11:29:50 PM  

GGracie: Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?

No. Remember, it's always the girl's fault if she gets pregnant because she's a dirty little whore.

Guys are studs if they have sex. Girls are whores if they have sex.

*rolls eyes*


Clearly, Republican logic means that guys should have sex with one another instead of with girls.

...

...I should be surprised by them angling towards this conclusion, but I'm not.
 
2012-03-07 11:30:05 PM  

AbbeySomeone: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: AbbeySomeone: Added bonus is that she is native in NM.

There is regular f*cked-up and then there is New Mexico f*cked-up. It's like 7-layer Bean F*cked Up.

yep. I spent a few years there. The tribe will be up everyone's ass over this with little or no culpability on the father.

/miss green chili


I miss the Sopapillas with sage honey.

/and angelfire
//and bearsign
///and quaking aspen forests that really mess with your depth perception.
 
2012-03-07 11:30:21 PM  

SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...


You sound white.
 
2012-03-07 11:30:40 PM  

Mock26: I have a dream. I want to compose a simple test dealing with key Federal and Supreme Court lawsuits that cover student rights (for example, one question would be, True or False, you can kick out a student who is pregnant?) and I will travel the country giving this test to school administrators. Those that fail will then be beaten with a hard-cover book containing all of these cases. For those who fail the test it can be assumed that they were incapable of learning through normal means so maybe learning through osmosis will work.

Seriously, how the hell do so many schools continually fark up on constitutional rights of their students? The number of landmark cases that are relevant are not that many, only a few dozen, and many of those cover similar topics (such as prayer in school). Every principal in the country should be required to take a course on the United States Constitution and how it applies to students and schools.


This just in: Most school administrators have no background in constitutional law.

Now back to your regularly scheduled fark...
 
2012-03-07 11:30:52 PM  

tjsands1118: "I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

Not saying what the principal did was right, but you're classmates where probably going to figure it out anyways.


I've often found that this phrase is commonly used to excuse deplorable behavior.
 
2012-03-07 11:31:19 PM  

thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]


drool
If I could teleport myself to eat that I would.
I need a roadtrip.
 
2012-03-07 11:31:22 PM  

thenateman: SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...

You sound white November-born.

 
2012-03-07 11:32:22 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: tjsands1118: "I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

Not saying what the principal did was right, but you're classmates where probably going to figure it out anyways.

I've often found that this phrase is commonly used to excuse deplorable behavior.


It's also used when the target has responsibility as well.
 
2012-03-07 11:32:56 PM  

Mock26: Seriously, how the hell do so many schools continually fark up on constitutional rights of their students? The number of landmark cases that are relevant are not that many, only a few dozen, and many of those cover similar topics (such as prayer in school). Every principal in the country should be required to take a course on the United States Constitution and how it applies to students and schools.


Many administrators I've seen still have the "You're in my school, you have no rights" mentality. It doesn't seem any different to them than the ability to search cars on school grounds without probable cause.
 
2012-03-07 11:33:07 PM  
Well, she shouldn't have been a little 8th-grade slut.
 
2012-03-07 11:33:35 PM  
If someone treated my daughter like that I would be spending some time in jail, if I got caught. I don't care what anyone else's beliefs are. They are a non factor in my life or my kids. If they are a school administrator they are hired to educate kids. Not to force kids to have the same morals as them. They would get an after hours visit from me for something like this. There is no excuse for talking about a students private sexual life. If they are 11 in grade school or 22 in college. It's none of the teachers business. The parents should have done more to keep their child from getting pregnant this young but that has nothing to do with the schools responsibility to the privacy of it's students.

I'm Catholic and go to church every week. I think gay marriage should be legal, that abortion is a woman's decision, and that the church needs to stay out of the governments decisions. If the church wants to lobby for laws then they can stop getting my money and start paying taxes. The bible was written by men. Men who wanted to keep control of what they had and wanted things to never change. God is not an asshole like the dicks that wrote the bible. Why would an all powerful all knowing being give 2 farks if a woman wanted to be a teacher or if two men wanted to spend their lives together. He can create the universe but he gives a damn if you have sex with a woman on her period or if you get a tattoo or shave your beard. The bottom line is that if God is real he doesn't care what people do as long as they are good to each other and treat themselves and others with respect. Why would he want a staff member at a school to call out a girl for being pregnant?

Every person that reads a religious text sees what they want to see in it. They pick and choose what they want to believe. It's time to put a heavy hand on the issue of separation of church and state. Shut it down.

This country was founded to be fair and equal to all. If you want to live in a country ruled by a theocracy move to Iran.
 
2012-03-07 11:34:11 PM  

GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.



Give an example of a major government that was a Christian theocracy anytime, anyplace. Sure there's been religious persecution against non-Christians. Sure there's been kings who claimed to rule by the grace of God.

Look for one in the modern world and the best you'll find are countries like Malta and Monaco. Unlike Islam, there is fundamentlally no Christian impulse to create theocratic governments.

Christianity doesn't promote ritual shaming of unwed mothers either.
Unfortunately, what Catholicism seems to promote is sheltering of criminal priests who abuse their flocks.
 
2012-03-07 11:34:23 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: tjsands1118: "I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

Not saying what the principal did was right, but you're classmates where probably going to figure it out anyways.

I've often found that this phrase is commonly used to excuse deplorable behavior.


It sounds like it comes from the same vein as the "I'm not racist, but" comments.
 
2012-03-07 11:35:06 PM  

BlippityBleep: there was a girl we all thought was really cool because she drove herself to 8th grade... then we realized that she was 16 and in 8th grade....

/the idea is hysterical, although i do feel bad that things in her life must have been messed up.


We had a few kids like that in 8th grade. Of course, the driving age at the time was 14 in SD (still is for a learners permit). They were super cool.
 
2012-03-07 11:35:15 PM  

lohphat: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

Regressive Puritans want the 1600's back.


Can the Puritans be blamed for this one since everyone involved is Native American and the purpose of the school is not only to educate children but to keep the Navajo culture alive?

Do the Navajos slut shame?
 
2012-03-07 11:35:56 PM  
WTF? First, I thought there was video of the assembly. Assuming their story is correct, WTF? They want to hang some scarlet letter on her? It's fine to teach that sex that young can have horrible consequences, but WTF? I'm just all WTF about this. And does that baby have a cleft lip? I'd contribute to a fund for the operation.

Education is the first step. And yes, education begins at home. But when it's all failed to prevent babby, you can't put the babby back in with some smear campaign. There is no fix in the campaign room!

/sham pag nya
 
2012-03-07 11:36:18 PM  

Calmamity: omnibus_necanda_sunt: [i14.photobucket.com image 640x480]

Really? C'mon, man.

lohphat: Regressive Puritans want the 1600's back.

Except that the Puritans were total fu*k machines, just like the rest of us pleasure-driven mammals. They actually had pretty ambivalent attitudes about sex before marriage, fu*king in public and the like.

The Regressive Puritans want a place back that never existed. They want Father Knows Best.


Um, the puritans had very negative attitudes about all those things, they were just a lot better at lying to themselves.

See, you live on a farm and the weird kinky shiat you get up to doesn't wake the neighbors. And sure most weddings were of the shotgun variety but you always lied to your kids and everyone else about it afterwards and it was never entered into the public record even though it was an item of gossip haunting you to your grave. It's like the Catholic slut, she farks like crazy then confesses and begs forgiveness then maybe has an abortion in Mexico but she never admits sex is fun and okay.

And you're right, the regressives DO want a time that never existed, but it's more complicated than that. The regressives claim to want what puritans claimed they had, what they actually want is what the puritans actually had (women as property, control through theocracy, more than a little polygamy for the slave-owning rich "alphas") .
 
2012-03-07 11:36:34 PM  
You name your kid Shantelle, she's gonna be the first in her class to get knocked up.
 
2012-03-07 11:37:05 PM  
I'm chalking this up to a big gay conspiracy. No hear me out: You remove access to contraceptives and shame women for getting pregnant. Solution, lesbianism. Meanwhile all the young men are encouraged to go out and have all the sex they want with no shame or consequences, only there are no women available. Who will will help these poor blue balled boys out? Respectable closeted republican men. Tell me the flaw in this.
 
2012-03-07 11:37:22 PM  

The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

lh5.googleusercontent.com


Damn you...

I love the Blake's green chile cheeseburger. I can only hope I'm idealizing it, but Blake's has my favorite fast food ever.

Ever had a stuffed sopapilla from Genaro's in Gallup?

www.mytravelguide.com
This one served Christmas
 
2012-03-07 11:38:28 PM  

TheHopeDiamond: Well, she shouldn't have been a little 8th-grade slut.


And you shouldn't have been born retarded, but there we are.
 
2012-03-07 11:38:34 PM  
I hope she takes the principal, the school administration and their jobs to the cleaners. I hope she takes enormous shiats on their 401k's. If that had been my child, I would have called the cops on the school.
 
2012-03-07 11:38:37 PM  

He Who Shall Not Be Named: If someone treated my daughter like that I would be spending some time in jail, if I got caught. I don't care what anyone else's beliefs are. They are a non factor in my life or my kids. If they are a school administrator they are hired to educate kids. Not to force kids to have the same morals as them. They would get an after hours visit from me for something like this. There is no excuse for talking about a students private sexual life. If they are 11 in grade school or 22 in college. It's none of the teachers business. The parents should have done more to keep their child from getting pregnant this young but that has nothing to do with the schools responsibility to the privacy of it's students.

I'm Catholic and go to church every week. I think gay marriage should be legal, that abortion is a woman's decision, and that the church needs to stay out of the governments decisions. If the church wants to lobby for laws then they can stop getting my money and start paying taxes. The bible was written by men. Men who wanted to keep control of what they had and wanted things to never change. God is not an asshole like the dicks that wrote the bible. Why would an all powerful all knowing being give 2 farks if a woman wanted to be a teacher or if two men wanted to spend their lives together. He can create the universe but he gives a damn if you have sex with a woman on her period or if you get a tattoo or shave your beard. The bottom line is that if God is real he doesn't care what people do as long as they are good to each other and treat themselves and others with respect. Why would he want a staff member at a school to call out a girl for being pregnant?

Every person that reads a religious text sees what they want to see in it. They pick and choose what they want to believe. It's time to put a heavy hand on the issue of separation of church and state. Shut it down.

This country was founded to be fair and equal to all. If you want to live in a country ruled by a theocr ...


Very admirable beliefs, but they kind of negate the whole 'I'm a Catholic' thing.
 
2012-03-07 11:38:47 PM  
That is some weapons-grade stupid running that school there.

She might be better off not getting an education from these idiots.
 
2012-03-07 11:39:10 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: tjsands1118: "I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

Not saying what the principal did was right, but you're classmates where probably going to figure it out anyways.

I've often found that this phrase is commonly used to excuse deplorable behavior.


I assure you this time, I was merely using it to dismiss the main premiss of the article to comment on this one sentence.

/I'm not saying what Hitler did to the jews was right, but no one give him credit for killing that Hitler guy
 
2012-03-07 11:39:31 PM  

He Who Shall Not Be Named: If they are a school administrator they are hired to educate kids. Not to force kids to have the same morals as them. They would get an after hours visit from me for something like this. There is no excuse for talking about a students private sexual life.


BOOM!
 
2012-03-07 11:39:58 PM  

Moonk: AbbeySomeone: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: AbbeySomeone: Added bonus is that she is native in NM.

There is regular f*cked-up and then there is New Mexico f*cked-up. It's like 7-layer Bean F*cked Up.

yep. I spent a few years there. The tribe will be up everyone's ass over this with little or no culpability on the father.

/miss green chili

I miss the Sopapillas with sage honey.



...and flat enchiladas with green chile sauce and an over-easy egg on top.
 
2012-03-07 11:40:25 PM  

He Who Shall Not Be Named: If someone treated my daughter like that I would be spending some time in jail, if I got caught. I don't care what anyone else's beliefs are. They are a non factor in my life or my kids. If they are a school administrator they are hired to educate kids. Not to force kids to have the same morals as them. They would get an after hours visit from me for something like this. There is no excuse for talking about a students private sexual life. If they are 11 in grade school or 22 in college. It's none of the teachers business. The parents should have done more to keep their child from getting pregnant this young but that has nothing to do with the schools responsibility to the privacy of it's students.

I'm Catholic and go to church every week. I think gay marriage should be legal, that abortion is a woman's decision, and that the church needs to stay out of the governments decisions. If the church wants to lobby for laws then they can stop getting my money and start paying taxes. The bible was written by men. Men who wanted to keep control of what they had and wanted things to never change. God is not an asshole like the dicks that wrote the bible. Why would an all powerful all knowing being give 2 farks if a woman wanted to be a teacher or if two men wanted to spend their lives together. He can create the universe but he gives a damn if you have sex with a woman on her period or if you get a tattoo or shave your beard. The bottom line is that if God is real he doesn't care what people do as long as they are good to each other and treat themselves and others with respect. Why would he want a staff member at a school to call out a girl for being pregnant?

Every person that reads a religious text sees what they want to see in it. They pick and choose what they want to believe. It's time to put a heavy hand on the issue of separation of church and state. Shut it down.

This country was founded to be fair and equal to all. If you want to live in a country ruled by a theocr ...


100% agreement.
 
2012-03-07 11:40:57 PM  

SubBass49: This just in: Most school administrators have no background in constitutional law.


While that is true, they should be expected to have at least a passing knowledge of Title IX (aka Mink Equal Opportunity in Education Act (new window) since it does apply to schools.
 
2012-03-07 11:41:03 PM  

SubBass49: Mock26: I have a dream. I want to compose a simple test dealing with key Federal and Supreme Court lawsuits that cover student rights (for example, one question would be, True or False, you can kick out a student who is pregnant?) and I will travel the country giving this test to school administrators. Those that fail will then be beaten with a hard-cover book containing all of these cases. For those who fail the test it can be assumed that they were incapable of learning through normal means so maybe learning through osmosis will work.

Seriously, how the hell do so many schools continually fark up on constitutional rights of their students? The number of landmark cases that are relevant are not that many, only a few dozen, and many of those cover similar topics (such as prayer in school). Every principal in the country should be required to take a course on the United States Constitution and how it applies to students and schools.

This just in: Most school administrators have no background in constitutional law.

Now back to your regularly scheduled fark...


It's not just about the kids rights. This is horrible behavior. It really just looks like the principal wanted the kids to see this kid as a bad person who made bad choices.

Well, that's not how it works. Yes, she made a bad decision. But that doesn't make her a bad person, and she may be even more successful than some of her friends, who may learn by observing her why its such a difficult choice. The other kids are going to see how she has to spend all of her time with the baby. They'll see how having a baby at a young age changes your life and how you have to work harder to achieve your goals.
 
2012-03-07 11:41:44 PM  
I originally thought that she was attractive and successful, then I realized that a lawsuit was her only way to get proper remuneration for her plight as a ancestrally persecuted person prior to the three long years she must wait before getting an ownership share in her casino.
 
2012-03-07 11:42:08 PM  

cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


They would if they followed their book closely.
 
2012-03-07 11:42:32 PM  
Now, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, Hicks has filed suit against the school, claiming they violated her constitutional rights.

15 years old, already a mother and never gonna have to work another day in her life once the ACLU is through with this. She should write that principle a thank you note and hand deliver it as he's clearing out his desk after the inevitable firing.
 
2012-03-07 11:42:46 PM  
Uh, doesn't she realize that sooner or later, people are going to notice that she's pregnant? Geez, the state of our schools is worse than I thought.
 
2012-03-07 11:43:23 PM  
It is so AWESOME to have a penis!!!
 
2012-03-07 11:44:04 PM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

Try 40 years. My parents were married at 16 and had my sister a year later, during my mom's senior year. They told her pregnant students must complete their diploma via correspondence, even married ones, because they "make the school look bad." My mom wasn't a troublemaker, either, she had been involved in student government and all that rot. This was in 1970 in a Southern California high school near Long Beach.

They allowed her to come on campus only to practice with the choir. They had to give a solo performance for their midterm, and my mother waddled in there 7 months pregnant and sang "I'm Just a Girl Who Can't Say No" from Oklahoma. I guess I know where my troll genes come from.
 
2012-03-07 11:44:12 PM  

mekki: lohphat: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

Regressive Puritans want the 1600's back.

Can the Puritans be blamed for this one since everyone involved is Native American and the purpose of the school is not only to educate children but to keep the Navajo culture alive?

Do the Navajos slut shame?


The revived concept of "public boarding school for Native American children from kindergarten through 8th grade" is interesting. Are children punished for speaking English attending them like they used to be for using their native language a hundred years ago?
 
2012-03-07 11:44:38 PM  
Pretty sure a lot of you guys grannies was preggers with your parents at 15
/In no way I am saying this is right
 
2012-03-07 11:45:09 PM  

SubBass49: thenateman: SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...

You sound white November-born.


I don't get it. But now I can only think about chile.

Ever had enchiladas and eggs?

s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com
These enchiladas served flat, not rolled
 
2012-03-07 11:45:33 PM  

muck4doo: propasaurus: muck4doo: But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.

Really? That's the nugget of wisdom you want to run with?

Do you want truth, or what makes you feel best? Where am I wrong, asshole?


Oh, going straight for the name calling? fark you, then.
 
2012-03-07 11:45:40 PM  

Animatronik: Give an example of a major government that was a Christian theocracy anytime, anyplace.


This may surprise you, but the Catholic Church developed its own theocratic system in Europe with allegedly secular authorites to exercise control over public officials. It was even more blatant throughout Eastern Europe and the Orthodox churches ethno-nationalism. And this was over hundreds and hundreds of years. And this doesn't count the issues with English Protestantism and Oliver Cromwell. There's plenty of theocracy to go around in all major world religions, including Buddhism and Hinduism too.
 
2012-03-07 11:45:57 PM  

untaken_name: Uh, doesn't she realize that sooner or later, people are going to notice that she's pregnant? Geez, the state of our schools is worse than I thought.


Good point. That means she should be humiliated in a public forum...because she is a slut. Limbaugh would agree with you.
 
2012-03-07 11:46:21 PM  
Guess what? Kids are stupid and horny. Solution? Hand out birth control like candy. Condoms everywhere. So many they have to find alternate uses for them. Stacks and stacks of condoms. And no shaming.
 
2012-03-07 11:46:35 PM  

The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 480x640]


Now that looks like a good burger. No fancy bun or frozen veg and someone had to take a bite before they could focus the camera.
 
2012-03-07 11:46:59 PM  

propasaurus: muck4doo: propasaurus: muck4doo: But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.

Really? That's the nugget of wisdom you want to run with?

Do you want truth, or what makes you feel best? Where am I wrong, asshole?

Oh, going straight for the name calling? fark you, then.


He is kinda high on meth. Can't blame him.
 
2012-03-07 11:47:15 PM  

namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.


Firstly, it's HIPAA. Secondly, principals aren't covered entities since they're not insurers, employers, clearinghouses, or medical providers.
 
2012-03-07 11:47:52 PM  

FizixJunkee: ...and flat enchiladas with green chile sauce and an over-easy egg on top.


I swear I didn't see your post before my the above picture of enchiladas with an over-easy egg.

/Great minds think alike
 
2012-03-07 11:48:05 PM  

serpent_sky: namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.

At least the way too young mother will have money to take care of her child when she wins the lawsuit, or the ACLU makes sure they settle out of court for a handsome sum.

It's not a HIPPA issue, in this case, but if you read the article, it's "violation of constitutional rights to equal protection and of the Title IX prohibition against sex and pregnancy discrimination in education."


It's HIPAA not HIPPA
 
2012-03-07 11:48:24 PM  

The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 480x640]


Last trips home by myself and others have all led to very disappointing trips to Blakes. The quality has dropped.
 
2012-03-07 11:48:39 PM  
I stand with Rush: Newt is a slut.

Romney's only a whore. If you ever had anything to do with Bain, you'd agree.
 
2012-03-07 11:48:42 PM  

spyderqueen: namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.

Firstly, it's HIPAA. Secondly, principals aren't covered entities since they're not insurers, employers, clearinghouses, or medical providers.


They are responsible for dickish behavior though, right? Cause this was dickish behavior.
 
2012-03-07 11:50:00 PM  

Moonfisher: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?
Try 40 years. My parents were married at 16 and had my sister a year later, during my mom's senior year. They told her pregnant students must complete their diploma via correspondence, even married ones, because they "make the school look bad." My mom wasn't a troublemaker, either, she had been involved in student government and all that rot. This was in 1970 in a Southern California high school near Long Beach.

They allowed her to come on campus only to practice with the choir. They had to give a solo performance for their midterm, and my mother waddled in there 7 months pregnant and sang "I'm Just a Girl Who Can't Say No" from Oklahoma. I guess I know where my troll genes come from.


Your mom is a classy lady.

/no sarcasm
 
2012-03-07 11:50:11 PM  

serpent_sky: namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.

At least the way too young mother will have money to take care of her child when she wins the lawsuit, or the ACLU makes sure they settle out of court for a handsome sum.

It's not a HIPPA issue, in this case, but if you read the article, it's "violation of constitutional rights to equal protection and of the Title IX prohibition against sex and pregnancy discrimination in education."


It damn sure is an invasion of privacy issue. And if somebody stripped that school counselor and middle school director down, lathered their genitalia with honey and set them loose among a pack of rabid boars that would not be a bad thing.
 
2012-03-07 11:52:02 PM  

untaken_name: Uh, doesn't she realize that sooner or later, people are going to notice that she's pregnant? Geez, the state of our schools is worse than I thought.


There's a huge difference in being far enough along that it is obvious, and marching a fifteen year old girl up on stage (or however they did the assembly) to announce it to a ton of people. Some women never even 'show' enough for it to be obvious, although it's rare I guess.

Think about it, when you were 15, did you ever want to go in front of a mob and say anything? Unless you were that one kid in theater that loved it, no, you didn't.
 
2012-03-07 11:53:39 PM  

Flappyhead: Now, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, Hicks has filed suit against the school, claiming they violated her constitutional rights.

15 years old, already a mother and never gonna have to work another day in her life once the ACLU is through with this. She should write that principle a thank you note and hand deliver it as he's clearing out his desk after the inevitable firing.


I'm not sure that a) she is going to receive that much money b) she's pregnant at 15, not exactly and example of responsibility. That money will be gone in a year or two.
 
2012-03-07 11:56:23 PM  

moothemagiccow: The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 480x640]

Now that looks like a good burger. No fancy bun or frozen veg and someone had to take a bite before they could focus the camera.


It's amazing, especially if you like Hatch green chile.
 
2012-03-07 11:56:44 PM  
It was a dick move by the school but how did it break constitutional rights?
 
2012-03-07 11:57:26 PM  

MontyBurns: It is so AWESOME to have a penis!!!


Mandatory Monty Python song
 
2012-03-07 11:57:27 PM  
"I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

I think in 9 months everyone would have figured it out.
 
2012-03-07 11:59:02 PM  
So, Principals are getting bored with overreacting to kids drawing a picture of a gun in crayon and just going right for the throat with "LOOK AT HER! LOOK AT THE DIRTY! FILTHY! SLUT! SHUN HER! SHUN HER AND LAUGH!!"?
 
2012-03-07 11:59:06 PM  

soupbone: Flappyhead: Now, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, Hicks has filed suit against the school, claiming they violated her constitutional rights.

15 years old, already a mother and never gonna have to work another day in her life once the ACLU is through with this. She should write that principle a thank you note and hand deliver it as he's clearing out his desk after the inevitable firing.

I'm not sure that a) she is going to receive that much money b) she's pregnant at 15, not exactly and example of responsibility. That money will be gone in a year or two.


no reality series. lifetime made for tv.
 
2012-03-07 11:59:25 PM  

ladyfortuna: Think about it, when you were 15, did you ever want to go in front of a mob and say anything?


15...15...15... yes, I remember.


fark you, fark you, fark you, you're cool, fark you, I'm out.
 
2012-03-08 12:00:08 AM  

TV's Vinnie: So, Principals are getting bored with overreacting to kids drawing a picture of a gun in crayon and just going right for the throat with "LOOK AT HER! LOOK AT THE DIRTY! FILTHY! SLUT! SHUN HER! SHUN HER AND LAUGH!!"?


On the plus side they might let girls carry around bottles of aspirin now.
 
2012-03-08 12:00:30 AM  

moothemagiccow: The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 480x640]

Now that looks like a good burger. No fancy bun or frozen veg and someone had to take a bite before they could focus the camera.


My all-time favorite green chile cheeseburgers have come from Horseman's Haven in Santa Fe.

s3-media3.ak.yelpcdn.com

media-cdn.tripadvisor.com

farm3.static.flickr.com

www.ethnicnj.com
That's hot
 
2012-03-08 12:00:47 AM  

bigbadideasinaction: GGracie: Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?

No. Remember, it's always the girl's fault if she gets pregnant because she's a dirty little whore.

Guys are studs if they have sex. Girls are whores if they have sex.

*rolls eyes*

Clearly, Republican logic means that guys should have sex with one another instead of with girls.

...

...I should be surprised by them angling towards this conclusion, but I'm not.


Wouldn't shock me at all if they wanted to bring back Ancient Rome, honestly.

/That is the context in which I'd expect the current crop of Republicans to support gay rights.
 
2012-03-08 12:01:01 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: ladyfortuna: Think about it, when you were 15, did you ever want to go in front of a mob and say anything?

15...15...15... yes, I remember.


fark you, fark you, fark you, you're cool, fark you, I'm out.


N...N...N...Nineteen.

/Not obscure if you are over 35.
 
2012-03-08 12:01:34 AM  

Sabyen91: cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery

They would if they followed their book closely.


Isn't their book the 'he without sin cast the first stone' book?
 
2012-03-08 12:03:22 AM  

wellreadneck: Sabyen91: cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery

They would if they followed their book closely.

Isn't their book the 'he without sin cast the first stone' book?


Depends on how much they follow Leviticus. If they are following the old book they are sinning by NOT casting stones.
 
2012-03-08 12:03:49 AM  

SubBass49: Mock26: I have a dream. I want to compose a simple test dealing with key Federal and Supreme Court lawsuits that cover student rights (for example, one question would be, True or False, you can kick out a student who is pregnant?) and I will travel the country giving this test to school administrators. Those that fail will then be beaten with a hard-cover book containing all of these cases. For those who fail the test it can be assumed that they were incapable of learning through normal means so maybe learning through osmosis will work.

Seriously, how the hell do so many schools continually fark up on constitutional rights of their students? The number of landmark cases that are relevant are not that many, only a few dozen, and many of those cover similar topics (such as prayer in school). Every principal in the country should be required to take a course on the United States Constitution and how it applies to students and schools.

This just in: Most school administrators have no background in constitutional law.

Now back to your regularly scheduled fark...


I am not saying that they should study the full breadth of constitutional law, just those few cases that directly affect schools.
 
2012-03-08 12:04:46 AM  

thenateman: moothemagiccow: The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 480x640]

Now that looks like a good burger. No fancy bun or frozen veg and someone had to take a bite before they could focus the camera.

My all-time favorite green chile cheeseburgers have come from Horseman's Haven in Santa Fe.

That's hot


Hmmm. I'm gonna have to try that place the next time I'm there. Santa Fe has some amazing restaurants.
 
2012-03-08 12:05:02 AM  

Mock26: SubBass49: Mock26: I have a dream. I want to compose a simple test dealing with key Federal and Supreme Court lawsuits that cover student rights (for example, one question would be, True or False, you can kick out a student who is pregnant?) and I will travel the country giving this test to school administrators. Those that fail will then be beaten with a hard-cover book containing all of these cases. For those who fail the test it can be assumed that they were incapable of learning through normal means so maybe learning through osmosis will work.

Seriously, how the hell do so many schools continually fark up on constitutional rights of their students? The number of landmark cases that are relevant are not that many, only a few dozen, and many of those cover similar topics (such as prayer in school). Every principal in the country should be required to take a course on the United States Constitution and how it applies to students and schools.

This just in: Most school administrators have no background in constitutional law.

Now back to your regularly scheduled fark...

I am not saying that they should study the full breadth of constitutional law, just those few cases that directly affect schools.


Huh, you sound really rational on this issue. Weird.
 
2012-03-08 12:06:07 AM  

Sabyen91: Uchiha_Cycliste: ladyfortuna: Think about it, when you were 15, did you ever want to go in front of a mob and say anything?

15...15...15... yes, I remember.


fark you, fark you, fark you, you're cool, fark you, I'm out.

N...N...N...Nineteen.

/Not obscure if you are over 35.


ha! in '84 I was 1.
 
2012-03-08 12:10:13 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Sabyen91: Uchiha_Cycliste: ladyfortuna: Think about it, when you were 15, did you ever want to go in front of a mob and say anything?

15...15...15... yes, I remember.


fark you, fark you, fark you, you're cool, fark you, I'm out.

N...N...N...Nineteen.

/Not obscure if you are over 35.

ha! in '84 I was 1.


Damn kids. My lawn has thistles so I would say if you are going to be on it at least wear some shoes.
 
2012-03-08 12:11:03 AM  

The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: moothemagiccow: The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 480x640]

Now that looks like a good burger. No fancy bun or frozen veg and someone had to take a bite before they could focus the camera.

My all-time favorite green chile cheeseburgers have come from Horseman's Haven in Santa Fe.

That's hot

Hmmm. I'm gonna have to try that place the next time I'm there. Santa Fe has some amazing restaurants.


Be warned: The Horseman's Haven is a tiny restaurant attached to a gas station. But seriously delicious.

If you're familiar with Santa Fe, you're surely familiar with Tecolote Cafe's bakery basket.

www.nmgastronome.com
Smells good, even over the Internet
 
2012-03-08 12:14:01 AM  
You know, if she was bright enough to read the instructions on/in a box of condoms, she would never have had this problem.
 
2012-03-08 12:14:48 AM  

Sabyen91: Uchiha_Cycliste: Sabyen91: Uchiha_Cycliste: ladyfortuna: Think about it, when you were 15, did you ever want to go in front of a mob and say anything?

15...15...15... yes, I remember.


fark you, fark you, fark you, you're cool, fark you, I'm out.

N...N...N...Nineteen.

/Not obscure if you are over 35.

ha! in '84 I was 1.

Damn kids. My lawn has thistles so I would say if you are going to be on it at least wear some shoes.


Is a bike okay? I can promise not to put a foot down? Ol san.
 
2012-03-08 12:16:27 AM  

Pokey.Clyde: You know, if she was bright enough to read the instructions on/in a box of condoms, she would never have had this problem.


Personal responsibility be damned! You're suppose to blame the world and every one of its inhabitants for your problems.
 
2012-03-08 12:18:52 AM  

Sabyen91: Mock26: SubBass49: Mock26: I have a dream. I want to compose a simple test dealing with key Federal and Supreme Court lawsuits that cover student rights (for example, one question would be, True or False, you can kick out a student who is pregnant?) and I will travel the country giving this test to school administrators. Those that fail will then be beaten with a hard-cover book containing all of these cases. For those who fail the test it can be assumed that they were incapable of learning through normal means so maybe learning through osmosis will work.

Seriously, how the hell do so many schools continually fark up on constitutional rights of their students? The number of landmark cases that are relevant are not that many, only a few dozen, and many of those cover similar topics (such as prayer in school). Every principal in the country should be required to take a course on the United States Constitution and how it applies to students and schools.

This just in: Most school administrators have no background in constitutional law.

Now back to your regularly scheduled fark...

I am not saying that they should study the full breadth of constitutional law, just those few cases that directly affect schools.

Huh, you sound really rational on this issue. Weird.


Sorry. I sometimes forget I am on fark.

I will endeavor to have more whargarble in future posts.

:-D
 
2012-03-08 12:21:04 AM  
Regardless of how one feels about personal responsibility, etc., I find it absolutely nauseating that anyone would try to justify or condone the public humiliation of a child in front of her peers.

And she's a "bad example"? Maybe she should just sew a big red letter "A" on her clothes and stand on the pillory for an hour to make you purists happy.
 
2012-03-08 12:21:39 AM  

soupbone: Pokey.Clyde: You know, if she was bright enough to read the instructions on/in a box of condoms, she would never have had this problem.

Personal responsibility be damned! You're suppose to blame the world and every one of its inhabitants for your problems.


bullsh*t. and you know it.
 
2012-03-08 12:22:56 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Regardless of how one feels about personal responsibility, etc., I find it absolutely nauseating that anyone would try to justify or condone the public humiliation of a child in front of her peers.

And she's a "bad example"? Maybe she should just sew a big red letter "A" on her clothes and stand on the pillory for an hour to make you purists happy.


I'll be satisfied with nothing short of branding!


\the kid gets to heat the brand right?
\\right on the principal's ass?
 
2012-03-08 12:23:09 AM  

AbbeySomeone: soupbone: Pokey.Clyde: You know, if she was bright enough to read the instructions on/in a box of condoms, she would never have had this problem.

Personal responsibility be damned! You're suppose to blame the world and every one of its inhabitants for your problems.

bullsh*t. and you know it.


What's bullshiat? Personal responsibility?
 
2012-03-08 12:23:33 AM  

namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.


I'm not sure a school administrator is bound by HIPAA privacy rules. Are they a covered entity?
 
2012-03-08 12:26:22 AM  
give that girl a big red A!!!
 
2012-03-08 12:27:04 AM  

cman: I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


No they'll just string her up on a cross with a sign that says, "I f*ck other dudes" as punishment.
 
2012-03-08 12:27:42 AM  
I was here to point out it is HIPAA not HIPPA. I see it was covered. Unlike your pre-existing condition.
 
2012-03-08 12:27:43 AM  
1600s, Puritans, calling...

/Been said, but needs to be said again.
 
2012-03-08 12:28:03 AM  

From the Wingate Elementary School Homepage:

VISION STATEMENT
" Success for All "

SCHOOL MISSION
The Mission of Wingate Elementary School is to empower
each student to learn and excel in a safe and supportive
environment in an ever-changing world.

 
2012-03-08 12:28:48 AM  

Animatronik: Give an example of a major government that was a Christian theocracy anytime, anyplace.


Oh come on, you're not even trying.

If I name five, do you promise to never come back?
 
2012-03-08 12:32:22 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Animatronik: Give an example of a major government that was a Christian theocracy anytime, anyplace.

Oh come on, you're not even trying.

If I name five, do you promise to never come back?


It;s like he's totally ignoring the Catholic strangelhold on europe for 1500 years. It's outstanding.
 
2012-03-08 12:32:35 AM  

AbbeySomeone: soupbone: Pokey.Clyde: You know, if she was bright enough to read the instructions on/in a box of condoms, she would never have had this problem.

Personal responsibility be damned! You're suppose to blame the world and every one of its inhabitants for your problems.

bullsh*t. and you know it.


Not only that, she wasn't avoiding responsibility. She was just trying to get an education while being pregnant. You know, a right guaranteed to her by LAW. There are reasons why laws like this exist.

She was purposely shamed by an ADULT administrator that was pissed because she was forced to let the girl come back to school. That kind of embarrassment can be devastating to a young girl.

THIS IS NOT 1865.
 
2012-03-08 12:32:56 AM  
8th grade... *thinks back*... I was 12 for most of 8th grade. Most of the class was more like 13... so this happened what, a year or two ago? What is the normal age for Americans in 8th grade anyway? She may not be all that retarded, just in the older side of the class. I think my parents had the option to put me in school next year instead, in which case I would have been 13 for most of 8th grade and turned 14 at the end. If they have something like that, or the story is old, it doesn't seem that unnatural.

Though I'm slightly confused... was she going to keep going to school with the kid? Or does getting kicked out mean she has to repeat a year? Getting booted at 8th grade from a school that only goes up to 8th grade when you're going to have a kid anyway that will presumably take a few months of off-time to deal with seems like quitting your job and having your boss yell "you can't quit, you're fired!" What difference does it even make at that point?
 
2012-03-08 12:34:14 AM  

andyofne: namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.

I'm not sure a school administrator is bound by HIPAA privacy rules. Are they a covered entity?


Though it's been covered, why would you assume that someone who can't spell HIPAA knows who is covered by it?
 
2012-03-08 12:34:51 AM  

GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.


saudi arabia / arizona. same thing pretty much.

/ well other than saudi arabia has money
// and is a lot more liberal
/// and educated
/// and less corrupt
 
2012-03-08 12:37:13 AM  

propasaurus: muck4doo: propasaurus: muck4doo: But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.

Really? That's the nugget of wisdom you want to run with?

Do you want truth, or what makes you feel best? Where am I wrong, asshole?

Oh, going straight for the name calling? fark you, then.


Oh, going straight for stupidity? I judged you right.
 
2012-03-08 12:38:01 AM  
Slut-shaming, eh? Why don't they get to the, uh, root of the problem and force any boy caught sporting an erection in this school to stand before his peers, to be mocked and reviled as an abomination before the Lord and a threat to our American way of life? It takes two sluts to make a baby.
 
2012-03-08 12:38:04 AM  

CliChe Guevara: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

saudi arabia / arizona. same thing pretty much.

/ well other than saudi arabia has money
// and is a lot more liberal
/// and educated
/// and less corrupt



oh, sorry. just reread the article and realized i meant to say new mexico.

nm is a farkton worse than saudi. oops.
 
2012-03-08 12:38:25 AM  

Sabyen91: propasaurus: muck4doo: propasaurus: muck4doo: But two weeks after her readmission, a school counselor and the director of the middle school forced the teen to stand before the middle school assembly and announced her condition -- allegedly before anyone but her sister knew.

Obviously that wasn't the case.

Really? That's the nugget of wisdom you want to run with?

Do you want truth, or what makes you feel best? Where am I wrong, asshole?

Oh, going straight for the name calling? fark you, then.

He is kinda high on meth. Can't blame him.


lulz!
 
2012-03-08 12:38:30 AM  
I'm still completely motherfarking confused as to how the War Against Women and the War To Make Sex Joyless and Miserable snuck up on us like this.

How exactly did this thinking go? Oh, hey, we killed Osama Bin Laden and a bunch of Al Qaeda leaders, now we don't really have enough terrorists to fight anymore. Hmmm, who can we fight with that we can battle and battle against but never get rid of? OH I KNOW. HOW ABOUT WOMEN.

And making sex not fun? I guess after the economy tanked, we got too used to life sucking. Young americans everywhere lowered their expectations, and prepared for a long grim, haul. Well, since economic ruin hadn't gutted their spirits completely and sent them running back to church for comfort, I guess someone decided they needed to have sex taken away from them as well, on the theory that if they are miserable enough they will feel like life is hell and focus on heaven instead.
 
2012-03-08 12:39:37 AM  
Or is she in 8th grade now and she was in something else when she got kicked out? That would explain why she cares but then I'm confused by the age again, unless that's just normal there. They do have elementary schools that go up to 8th grade, which seems odd to me...
 
2012-03-08 12:41:12 AM  
Wanted for questioning

www.tenderomi.com
 
2012-03-08 12:42:24 AM  

ambercat: I'm still completely motherfarking confused as to how the War Against Women and the War To Make Sex Joyless and Miserable snuck up on us like this.


Hasn't that been around for at least a few centuries now?
 
2012-03-08 12:43:57 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Did we skip back in time a hundred years?


Social conservatives refer to that as the "golden age".
 
2012-03-08 12:44:05 AM  

Sabyen91: untaken_name: Uh, doesn't she realize that sooner or later, people are going to notice that she's pregnant? Geez, the state of our schools is worse than I thought.

Good point. That means she should be humiliated in a public forum...because she is a slut. Limbaugh would agree with you.


I'm more concerned with her apparent belief that not explicitly telling people she's pregnant will somehow keep them from knowing. Not sure where your sense of outrage came from, as I didn't say anything about the correctness of humiliating her in public. It is interesting to note how you are attempting to shame me in a public forum by associating me with Rush Limbaugh, though. I thought you didn't care for that sort of thing.
 
2012-03-08 12:44:46 AM  

7wolf: Or is she in 8th grade now and she was in something else when she got kicked out? That would explain why she cares but then I'm confused by the age again, unless that's just normal there. They do have elementary schools that go up to 8th grade, which seems odd to me...


It's a boarding school. I imagine it goes to 8th grade because after that, they'll go on to a prep or secondary boarding school someplace else.

Why its called an "elementary" school, that I can't tell you.
 
2012-03-08 12:45:44 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?


if you ask the GOP they really want to revert back to that era.
 
2012-03-08 12:47:07 AM  
From what I have read pre-Revolution America would make Vegas under the mob look like Disneyland; those folks knew how to party. There's more to American history than the sterilized version they give you in school.

Hopefully she gets something out of this and hopefully she uses it to make her life better for her and her kid. The school violated her rights and that's not right. Hopefully the kids learn something from this like what their rights are since American schools anywhere don't do a very good job of teaching this at all.
 
2012-03-08 12:49:15 AM  

thenateman: moothemagiccow: The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 480x640]

Now that looks like a good burger. No fancy bun or frozen veg and someone had to take a bite before they could focus the camera.

My all-time favorite green chile cheeseburgers have come from Horseman's Haven in Santa Fe.

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[www.ethnicnj.com image 400x299]
That's hot


That looks like someone already ate it first.
 
2012-03-08 12:55:37 AM  

PsiChick: 1600s, Puritans, calling...

/Been said, but needs to be said again.


And the irony being that the teen happens to be Native American.
 
2012-03-08 12:56:19 AM  

TV's Vinnie: So, Principals are getting bored with overreacting to kids drawing a picture of a gun in crayon and just going right for the throat with "LOOK AT HER! LOOK AT THE DIRTY! FILTHY! SLUT! SHUN HER! SHUN HER AND LAUGH!!"?


Should have made her wear a shirt with a single letter on it. Kinda like this: snl.jt.org

/Hot
//Sorry, couldn't find a bigger pic.
///Or the video.
 
2012-03-08 12:58:24 AM  
If this was my kid youd guys be reading about how i arranged his body parts and pinned them to the wall while he was still alive.
 
2012-03-08 12:58:44 AM  

thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]


Ick, you ruined it with cheese sauce and soggy french fries.
 
2012-03-08 12:59:11 AM  
At least she's accepted responsibility for her condition and she will pay all expenses related to rearing the child.
 
2012-03-08 12:59:16 AM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com

I had one of these for lunch today and the picture is making me hungry for another.
 
2012-03-08 01:02:21 AM  

jaylectricity: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Ick, you ruined it with cheese sauce and soggy french fries.


How do you eat your chile? From a bucket?
 
2012-03-08 01:02:43 AM  

ambercat: I'm still completely motherfarking confused as to how the War Against Women and the War To Make Sex Joyless and Miserable snuck up on us like this.

How exactly did this thinking go? Oh, hey, we killed Osama Bin Laden and a bunch of Al Qaeda leaders, now we don't really have enough terrorists to fight anymore. Hmmm, who can we fight with that we can battle and battle against but never get rid of? OH I KNOW. HOW ABOUT WOMEN.

And making sex not fun? I guess after the economy tanked, we got too used to life sucking. Young americans everywhere lowered their expectations, and prepared for a long grim, haul. Well, since economic ruin hadn't gutted their spirits completely and sent them running back to church for comfort, I guess someone decided they needed to have sex taken away from them as well, on the theory that if they are miserable enough they will feel like life is hell and focus on heaven instead.


I suggest we follow the women of Liberia and go on a sex strike. If (straight) politicians couldn't get laid, how fast do you think they'd stop with these ridiculous laws? (I'd say though, make an exception for men in your life who already agree this is all nonsense).

Too bad enough women on the right feel more strongly about doing their 'wifely duties' than they do about bringing change...
 
2012-03-08 01:03:57 AM  

mr smart the great: If this was my kid youd guys be reading about how i arranged his body parts and pinned them to the wall while he was still alive.


Well, your kid is lucky he can't get pregnant then, that sounds like quite an unpleasant punishment.
 
2012-03-08 01:04:30 AM  
Leymah Gbowee led a strike that ended a civil war, just in case anyone was curious. Saw her on TDS a while back.
 
2012-03-08 01:15:46 AM  
"I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant ..."

Because after a few months, it would still be a secret?


This kind of stupid might explain a lot.
 
2012-03-08 01:17:08 AM  
my ex GF got it from a teacher when she was a teenager,
made fun of her in front of the class for her slutty clothes.

i'd like to think that if he'd known her dad started raping her when she was 4 years old
he might have been slightly less cruel about her twisted response to the horror.
 
2012-03-08 01:20:51 AM  
Clearly, this was a bad case in particular, but in regards to the phenomenon of Fark people being aghast at slut-shaming....

As a man who has always enjoyed the existance of sluts, perhaps its not a bad thing for society to call into shame some of the behavior that the teenmom/jersey shore generation has shoved in their face at all times.

Perhaps it does not benefit society to have 13 year olds seeing getting pregnant as merely a ticket to attention. If you have to make them feel ashamed of being a slut to accomplish that, so be it.
 
2012-03-08 01:22:00 AM  

ladyfortuna: ambercat: I'm still completely motherfarking confused as to how the War Against Women and the War To Make Sex Joyless and Miserable snuck up on us like this.

How exactly did this thinking go? Oh, hey, we killed Osama Bin Laden and a bunch of Al Qaeda leaders, now we don't really have enough terrorists to fight anymore. Hmmm, who can we fight with that we can battle and battle against but never get rid of? OH I KNOW. HOW ABOUT WOMEN.

And making sex not fun? I guess after the economy tanked, we got too used to life sucking. Young americans everywhere lowered their expectations, and prepared for a long grim, haul. Well, since economic ruin hadn't gutted their spirits completely and sent them running back to church for comfort, I guess someone decided they needed to have sex taken away from them as well, on the theory that if they are miserable enough they will feel like life is hell and focus on heaven instead.

I suggest we follow the women of Liberia and go on a sex strike. If (straight) politicians couldn't get laid, how fast do you think they'd stop with these ridiculous laws? (I'd say though, make an exception for men in your life who already agree this is all nonsense).

Too bad enough women on the right feel more strongly about doing their 'wifely duties' than they do about bringing change...


I think a sex strike is a fantastic idea but I don't think the wifely duties part would be the problem. I wouldn't feel right going on a sex strike because my husband is pro-birth control and equal rights for chicks etc. And we don't live in the same state right now so that point is kind of moo. The idiot men trying to enforce this crap generally have wives that go along with them so who's left?
 
2012-03-08 01:26:20 AM  

I sound fat: Clearly, this was a bad case in particular, but in regards to the phenomenon of Fark people being aghast at slut-shaming....

As a man who has always enjoyed the existance of sluts, perhaps its not a bad thing for society to call into shame some of the behavior that the teenmom/jersey shore generation has shoved in their face at all times.

Perhaps it does not benefit society to have 13 year olds seeing getting pregnant as merely a ticket to attention. If you have to make them feel ashamed of being a slut to accomplish that, so be it.


Your "if" possesses impressive figurative size.
 
2012-03-08 01:27:25 AM  
Why, yes, Principal Limbaugh, I think you did exactly the right thing!
 
2012-03-08 01:29:08 AM  

Animatronik: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.


Give an example of a major government that was a Christian theocracy anytime, anyplace. Sure there's been religious persecution against non-Christians. Sure there's been kings who claimed to rule by the grace of God.

Look for one in the modern world and the best you'll find are countries like Malta and Monaco. Unlike Islam, there is fundamentlally no Christian impulse to create theocratic governments.

Christianity doesn't promote ritual shaming of unwed mothers either.
Unfortunately, what Catholicism seems to promote is sheltering of criminal priests who abuse their flocks.


Spain, from 1936 until 1975. Francisco Franco ran the place like it was his own personal tithing plate, and had the Franciscans supporting him politically the whole time. He ran the country based on the Christian version of Sharia, which is really the same thing. He had the total support of the Roman Church, who protected him from outside criticism and provided foreign soldiers to support his regime. As long as the "Church" had his back, nobody would touch him, and he was a major US Ally against the Soviets throughout his time as Dictator.
 
2012-03-08 01:29:29 AM  

wambu: "I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant ..."

Because after a few months, it would still be a secret?


This kind of stupid might explain a lot.


I keep seeing this and I can't tell if people are serious. And not in a ooh look at this funny picture of The Joker kind of notsureifserious. Yeah AFTER A FEW MONTHS they would've figured it out but for a few months she could make peace with it herself and enjoy her last few months not being teased and bullied. I'm sure she wasn't elated that her dumb teenage decision backfired.

Adult women who get pregnant generally like to tell people on their own time in their own way. If some woman somewhere wants to think twice about telling her mother-in-law right away I can't imagine having a high school full of sweaty, zitty arseholes finding out without permission; and the principal pretty much gave them a green light to treat her like crap. You know what stupid teenagers do when they aren't just being blunt and insensitive? They're asking stupid questions. Telling their parents. Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.

/FFS
 
2012-03-08 01:38:31 AM  

Jingo Ate Your Baby: Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.


There's an easy way to avoid being teased for being pregnant.
 
2012-03-08 01:38:46 AM  

thenateman: Smells good, even over the Internet


It's people like you that make me miss Lars Thorwald. You are neither amusing nor helpful. You are annoying. Carry on.
 
2012-03-08 01:41:02 AM  

untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby: Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.

There's an easy way to avoid being teased for being pregnant.


Yes, but the same conservatives who are ready to slap a red S on her chest are also the ones trying to shut down any abortion clinic she could get to.
 
2012-03-08 01:41:14 AM  
Adding to the long list of things about this situation that confuse me: why are people posting food in this thread and why does some of it look like where something from Aliens was killed?
 
2012-03-08 01:47:26 AM  

SubBass49: thenateman: SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...

You sound white November-born.


Funny thing: I was both on the West Coast and started school on the East Coast. The admissions office was actually trying to do time zone math because depending on which location you chose I was both either a few hours before or after the cutoff age for admissions. So I was, quite literally, the youngest person in the class. Ever.

/not that it made much of an impact on things
 
2012-03-08 02:08:22 AM  

Deathfrogg: Unlike Islam, there is fundamentlally no Christian impulse to create theocratic governments.


WTF? No, seriously, WTF?

Much of European history, and the settlement of the New World, was steeped in either outright or de facto Christian theocracy.

That entire time, Islam maintained a firm and rather absolute separation of religion and government. In fact, the first Muslim theocracy was Iran in 1979.
Yes, 1979. Arguably in response to what was seen as a Christian attempt to undermine and/or destroy them and their secular government (we had just overthrown their secular, pro-western democratic government and installed a dictator, then shortly afterward proceeded to give chemical and biological weapons to their neighbor for use against them.) No shiat they thought the Christians were a threat).

Which one has been around trying to destroy the other in holy wars since at least the crusades? Which one habitually had state religions for most of two millenia? Which one had purges, pogroms, crusades, and inquisitions regularly?

Really? Just because the Muslims FINALLY started acting in the last 30 years like we have for 2000, you get all butthurt and play victim now.
 
2012-03-08 02:09:40 AM  

soupbone: Flappyhead: Now, with the help of the American Civil Liberties Union, Hicks has filed suit against the school, claiming they violated her constitutional rights.

15 years old, already a mother and never gonna have to work another day in her life once the ACLU is through with this. She should write that principle a thank you note and hand deliver it as he's clearing out his desk after the inevitable firing.

I'm not sure that a) she is going to receive that much money b) she's pregnant at 15, not exactly and example of responsibility. That money will be gone in a year or two.


Don't worry, she can always move back to the reservation where it is a bastion of fiscal responsibility and no drinking issues watsoever.
 
2012-03-08 02:15:24 AM  
A Native American being mistreated in a state run school? Say it ain't so!
 
2012-03-08 02:16:16 AM  

calbert: the administrators not keeping their mouths closed isn't the problem, the problem is the slut not keeping her legs closed.


You see how one prevents the other from occurring?

her and her parent should be ashamed. She didn't want anybody to know? Yeah, good luck hiding that baby bump. Kids would've been talking shiat and rumors would've been flying, the school prevented that from occurring.

Yes, use her as an example, that your actions have consequences. If she thinks she's adult enough to have sex, then welcome to the adult world of having to live with the decisions that you've made.



"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you."
 
2012-03-08 02:18:00 AM  

Moonfisher: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?
Try 40 years. My parents were married at 16 and had my sister a year later, during my mom's senior year. They told her pregnant students must complete their diploma via correspondence, even married ones, because they "make the school look bad." My mom wasn't a troublemaker, either, she had been involved in student government and all that rot. This was in 1970 in a Southern California high school near Long Beach.

They allowed her to come on campus only to practice with the choir. They had to give a solo performance for their midterm, and my mother waddled in there 7 months pregnant and sang "I'm Just a Girl Who Can't Say No" from Oklahoma.


Your mother is farking awesome.
 
2012-03-08 02:19:31 AM  

Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby: Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.

There's an easy way to avoid being teased for being pregnant.

Yes, but the same conservatives who are ready to slap a red S on her chest are also the ones trying to shut down any abortion clinic she could get to.


Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.
 
2012-03-08 02:20:17 AM  

CliChe Guevara: Really? Just because the Muslims FINALLY started acting in the last 30 years like we have for 2000, you get all butthurt and play victim now.


Really?

No, it's just in the last 30 years those nations have had enough money to either do what they want, or draw the attention of people who want that money.

To claim that either Christianity or Islam is somehow more 'theocratic leaning' than another is a really inaccurate representation.
 
2012-03-08 02:22:27 AM  

untaken_name: Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods?


The statement that American conservatives are trying to shut them all down, or rather, remove this featureset from them is not unfounded.
 
2012-03-08 02:24:30 AM  

tomcatadam: The statement that American conservatives are trying to shut them all down, or rather, remove this featureset from them is not unfounded.


A lot of people are trying to do a lot of things. But that doesn't mean they are above the law, nor that they are capable of changing it.
 
2012-03-08 02:26:12 AM  
Came for the Blakes Lotaburger porn, leaving satisfied and a little aroused.
 
2012-03-08 02:27:29 AM  

untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby: Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.

There's an easy way to avoid being teased for being pregnant.

Yes, but the same conservatives who are ready to slap a red S on her chest are also the ones trying to shut down any abortion clinic she could get to.

Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.


Are you being funny on purpose or are you really that out of touch? I think it's something like 80% of counties in the US have no abortion provider. You haven't heard about how some states are making the rules and regulations so stringent that abortion providers have to shut down because they can't meet them. You haven't heard about intimidation of abortion providers and prospective patients? You haven't heard about all these other requirements they are trying to force women to go through in order to humiliate them out of having an abortion?

I'm sure you have, I mean, you'd have to be living in a cave to have not heard such things.
 
2012-03-08 02:27:31 AM  

untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.


Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...
 
2012-03-08 02:30:45 AM  

SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...


Clearly you weren't, because you failed to realize the baby is now about two or three years old....
 
2012-03-08 02:33:24 AM  

Pincy: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby: Whispering and gossiping. Maybe four months of it would've been a lot less painful than the duration of the pregnancy.

There's an easy way to avoid being teased for being pregnant.

Yes, but the same conservatives who are ready to slap a red S on her chest are also the ones trying to shut down any abortion clinic she could get to.

Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Are you being funny on purpose or are you really that out of touch? I think it's something like 80% of counties in the US have no abortion provider. You haven't heard about how some states are making the rules and regulations so stringent that abortion providers have to shut down because they can't meet them. You haven't heard about intimidation of abortion providers and prospective patients? You haven't heard about all these other requirements they are trying to force women to go through in order to humiliate them out of having an abortion?

I'm sure you have, I mean, you'd have to be living in a cave to have not heard such things.


Everyone I've known (and I've known several) who wanted an abortion was able to get one without any problems. I guess they're just luckier than most.
 
2012-03-08 02:34:14 AM  

untaken_name: Everyone I've known (and I've known several) who wanted an abortion was able to get one without any problems. I guess they're just luckier than most.


Yes, anecdotal evidence is always the best evidence.
 
2012-03-08 02:36:11 AM  

cman: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.

I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


I don't doubt that some purported Christians would be perfectly happy if that happened. Any time humans define an "us" and "them" it is proven in many psychology studies (and history) that they don't consider the "them" as fully human and are quite content to let any number of terrible things happen. Or to put it another way, once your heart is hardened against someone there isn't really any limit or mercy. And history has plenty of examples of Christians quite happy to put people to death or otherwise demean and torture.

Again, it is the problem with "us" and "them". A "real" Christian (i.e. always acts in the spirit of what would Jesus do) would consider everyone in the world (who ever lived or died) is one of "us" and never direct hate or scorn against anyone. Doesn't matter if they are a sinner, murderer, prostitute, slave, or anything -- as a real Christian you never harden your heart. Any time you see someone harden their heart, they are simply not a real Christian. I wish a prominent preacher in the US would stand up for real Christianity and call out any other so-called Christian who expresses any anger, hate, exclusion, harshness against his fellow man.
 
2012-03-08 02:36:34 AM  

Animatronik: GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.


Give an example of a major government that was a Christian theocracy anytime, anyplace. Sure there's been religious persecution against non-Christians. Sure there's been kings who claimed to rule by the grace of God.

Look for one in the modern world and the best you'll find are countries like Malta and Monaco. Unlike Islam, there is fundamentlally no Christian impulse to create theocratic governments.

Christianity doesn't promote ritual shaming of unwed mothers either.
Unfortunately, what Catholicism seems to promote is sheltering of criminal priests who abuse their flocks.


Vatican City. It is it's own nation, with its own ruler (currently Pope Benedict whatever number he is), its own Ambassadors, and its own currency. It is a political power and it is, by definition and in the very strictest of terms, a Christian Theocracy.

In history, several places would fit the definition, though whether they'd have been called Christian theocracies at the time is debatable:

Geneva at the height of Calvin's influence
Florence from 1494-1498 under the rule of Dominican Priest Girolamo Savonarola
The Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem 1099-1299
England under Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell

You did say anytime, anyplace. ;)


The only modern Christian theocracy in existence is, as mentioned above, Vatican City.

The only other current known and acknowledged theocracy in the world is Iran - which is, of course, Islamic. Your statement that Islam has a fundamental impulse to create theocratic governments, based on that evidence alone (given the fact that there are many more Muslims in the world than there are Christians), may not necessarily be a factual statement.

In both Christianity and Judaism, we are taught the same thing: the king (political leader) and priest (spiritual leader) are not and cannot be the same man. There's a bit of conflict of interest there because men are corrupt, as a general rule.


Back to the topic at hand, while some people who call themselves Christians seem to think public humiliation is useful, I do not. Nor do I feel it falls in line with the commandment to "love one another." The school was wrong, period. As a Christian, civil rights are secondary to me (and they were violated). What's most important, since someone's turned this into a Christian fundamentalist question (not that I'm surprised; this is Fark) is, is it fundamentally Christian to humiliate someone because they may have done something that is "wrong" or "sin" in God's eyes?

The answer to that is clear for any Christian. Fundamentally, the commandment is "love one another." As God has loved us, so we are to love one another. If we cannot love our brothers who we can see, how can we love God, who we cannot see? That, is fundamentally what it is to be a Christian. Seems too many Christians too often forget that. Maybe it's time we reminded them.
 
2012-03-08 02:40:39 AM  

ladyfortuna: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...


I guess they'd have to choose one of the 1,787 abortion providers in New Mexico, then, like 14% of pregnant women in New Mexico do.
 
2012-03-08 02:40:54 AM  

GGracie: Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?

No. Remember, it's always the girl's fault if she gets pregnant because she's a dirty little whore.


They also kick out all the boys who become visibly pregnant.

The law excludes both the rich and the poor from sleeping under bridges.

Guys are studs if they have sex. Girls are whores if they have sex.

Yes. This is the game we have set up. don't blame the kids if they're playing it. You want girls to exchange a good part of their sexually mature life. I get it. But beyond that, it's not just sufficient that they learn enough to be a) functional, operational adults, but you want them to b) optimize their personal intellectual development and then c) build a skil-base from which they can derive a comfortable, labor-free lifestyle.

Let's put it another way: If a gal decided that all she wanted to do with her life was be a mother and a caregiver, we'd find her to be terribly irresponsible.
 
2012-03-08 02:41:19 AM  

Pincy: untaken_name: Everyone I've known (and I've known several) who wanted an abortion was able to get one without any problems. I guess they're just luckier than most.

Yes, anecdotal evidence is always the best evidence.


As opposed to your hearsay? At least what I know actually happened to me. That's called "testimony".
 
2012-03-08 02:45:32 AM  

kim jong-un: CliChe Guevara: Really? Just because the Muslims FINALLY started acting in the last 30 years like we have for 2000, you get all butthurt and play victim now.

Really?

No, it's just in the last 30 years those nations have had enough money to either do what they want, or draw the attention of people who want that money.

To claim that either Christianity or Islam is somehow more 'theocratic leaning' than another is a really inaccurate representation.


Not really, it is pretty accurate. Islam isn't a particularly organized religion. Christianity, especially the RCC has been exceptionally organized for millenia. There isn't and hasn't ever been anyone in Islam with the political power close to the Pope. Most Muslim countries have and have had secular leaders -- even all our favorite Middle Eastern enemies (Saddam, Gaddafi, etc) were secular Even the modern-day decrepit Pope leading a widely-ridiculed RCC wields way more political power than any Muslim.
 
2012-03-08 02:47:50 AM  

untaken_name: ladyfortuna: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...

I guess they'd have to choose one of the 1,787 abortion providers in New Mexico, then, like 14% of pregnant women in New Mexico do.


Where did you pull that number out of???

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/new_mexico.html

- In 2008, there were 12 abortion providers in New Mexico. This represents no change from 2005, when there were 12 abortion providers.

- In 2008, 91% of New Mexico counties had no abortion provider. 50% of New Mexico women lived in these counties.

Seriously, this stuff is not that hard to research on the Internets.
 
2012-03-08 02:50:56 AM  

ladyfortuna: I suggest we follow the women of Liberia and go on a sex strike. If (straight) politicians couldn't get laid, how fast do you think they'd stop with these ridiculous laws? (I'd say though, make an exception for men in your life who already agree this is all nonsense).


Lysistrata.

But the point was *not* to make any exceptions. That way, the men who already agree with you (but are still missing their nightly lovin'), put the pressure on the men who DO NOT agree with you, and thus things are changed.
 
2012-03-08 02:52:27 AM  
Poor girl. I guess a little understanding, maybe some counseling and kindness was out of the question.
 
2012-03-08 03:05:52 AM  

Pincy: untaken_name: ladyfortuna: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...

I guess they'd have to choose one of the 1,787 abortion providers in New Mexico, then, like 14% of pregnant women in New Mexico do.

Where did you pull that number out of???

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/new_mexico.html

- In 2008, there were 12 abortion providers in New Mexico. This represents no change from 2005, when there were 12 abortion providers.

- In 2008, 91% of New Mexico counties had no abortion provider. 50% of New Mexico women lived in these counties.

Seriously, this stuff is not that hard to research on the Internets.


It was a misquote on my part - intended to say "in the US" instead of "in New Mexico" but I confused myself with the next stat, that 14% of specifically New Mexico births end in abortion. So the point is that if 14% of pregnancies end in abortion in New Mexico, it doesn't seem likely that abortion is difficult to obtain.
But yes, I did mistakenly put "in New Mexico" instead of "in the US" after the abortion provider number. My apologies for the mistake.
 
2012-03-08 03:34:57 AM  

untaken_name: Pincy: untaken_name: ladyfortuna: untaken_name: Theaetetus: untaken_name: Jingo Ate Your Baby:
Are there no clinics? And the Planned Parenthoods? Are they still in operation? Roe v. Wade and Webster v. Reproductive Health Services are in full vigor, then? Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course.

Hey smarty pants. Assuming I got the right zip code (87301) for Gallup NM, the PP website says the closest of their clinics is 92 miles away - and it returned results in CO as well so it's not just looking at NM. Tell me how a 15 YO is going to get there on her own...

I guess they'd have to choose one of the 1,787 abortion providers in New Mexico, then, like 14% of pregnant women in New Mexico do.

Where did you pull that number out of???

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/new_mexico.html

- In 2008, there were 12 abortion providers in New Mexico. This represents no change from 2005, when there were 12 abortion providers.

- In 2008, 91% of New Mexico counties had no abortion provider. 50% of New Mexico women lived in these counties.

Seriously, this stuff is not that hard to research on the Internets.

It was a misquote on my part - intended to say "in the US" instead of "in New Mexico" but I confused myself with the next stat, that 14% of specifically New Mexico births end in abortion. So the point is that if 14% of pregnancies end in abortion in New Mexico, it doesn't seem likely that abortion is difficult to obtain.
But yes, I did mistakenly put "in New Mexico" instead of "in the US" after the abortion provider number. My apologies for the mistake.


Duly noted about the mistake. Sorry if I jumped on you too hard.

I see what you are saying about the 14% but that doesn't mean it was necessarily easy for this girl. Like ladyfortuna pointed out, the nearest clinic from that zip was 92 miles away. She's only 15 so that complicates things as well. As I mentioned, there are only 12 abortion providers in the whole state. 90% of the counties don't have one. My guess is that most of them are located in the most populous parts of the state so yes, since a lot of women will live close to them then they will have better access, but people in the more rural parts of the state will have a harder time getting access.

The web site I quoted says that New Mexico does not have any major restriction on abortion, so other than that there are only 12 or so providers it appears that women who want abortions and can get to them, although the 14% rate is actually 5 points lower than the national average.

But we are just focusing on this one instance. You have to look at the overall picture. Many states are putting unnecessary rules on abortion in an attempt to discourage them. 87% of all counties in the US don't even have one abortion provider. I just read that in Kansas they won't even allow insurance companies to cover abortion by default (except in cases of life endagerment), you have to purchase an additional rider in order to get it covered. That's the state farking with private insurance plans. And I'm seeing that this isn't the only state. A lot of states are mandating 24-hour waiting periods and state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage a woman from having an abortion. So now not only might you have to travel 92 miles to get to a provider but then you have to do it again after 24 hours.

So yes, Roe v Wade is still technically the law in this country but there are a lot of states that are doing their best to keep women from exercising their rights.
 
2012-03-08 03:56:35 AM  

ladyfortuna: I suggest we follow the women of Liberia and go on a sex strike. If (straight) politicians couldn't get laid, how fast do you think they'd stop with these ridiculous laws?


I think that's a contributing factor here. Politicians who as teens were mad to stay away from girls (where do you think they got the "girls are farking whores" line from? their parents), or their current unlikeable personalities were just as unlikeable back then.
 
2012-03-08 03:57:22 AM  
Since when did "I wanted to tell people about it on my own time rather than be forced to announce it in front of everyone Right Now" turn into "I don't want a baby at all"? She's raising the kid, that sounds a lot like taking responsibility for the situation she put herself in. She did Not, however, put herself in the position of having to announce it at an assembly; that part was forced. Fark every single one of you who are criticizing this girl or saying she should have aborted the kid. I'm pro-choice but the kid's out already, it obviously wasn't the option she chose at the time. It's a shiatty situation all around but ya know what you do with people who are going through a hard time? You support them and do what you can to make things easier. You don't sit there and laugh or make fun of them or say they should go through another potentially traumatic experience to mitigate their current situation. That's the kind of thing a complete piece of barely-sentient shiat does, not a real human being.
 
2012-03-08 04:00:23 AM  
Did I misread the article or does it say she was 15 in eighth grade at an elementary school?
 
2012-03-08 04:04:14 AM  

Spike123: ya know what you do with people who are going through a hard time? You support them and do what you can to make things easier. You don't sit there and laugh or make fun of them or say they should go through another potentially traumatic experience to mitigate their current situation. That's the kind of thing a complete piece of barely-sentient shiat does, not a real human being.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-03-08 04:11:07 AM  
Where does it actually say she isn't the victim of child abuse? Because when I hear "pregnant underage girl" and "elementary school" shouldn't that be the first thing people look for? Even twenty years ago when I was in school I think the majority of teenage pregnancies at least involved some discussion of statutory rape, of not actual rape. What's the age of consent where she's at?

If this guy called out a rape victim I hope they hang the bastard.
 
2012-03-08 04:38:57 AM  
Wingate Elementary is a public boarding school for Native American children

and yet the ACLU overlooks the fact that it's a public school catering to one ethnicity. no problem there
 
2012-03-08 04:40:43 AM  
So, she's embarrased about being outed so she tells the whole world? You don't suppose she wnts MONEY do you? Nah, it's just because she was wronged. I'm sure she will donate all the money she gets toa worthy cause, like preventing teen pregnancies.

Oh, one more thing, a 15 year old 8th grader? Isn't that about the normal age for a sophomore in high school?
 
2012-03-08 04:42:53 AM  

lohphat: Regressive Puritans want the 1600's back.


Fundamentalist Christians aren't nearly that enlightened.

1600 BC maybe.

Dextro: Did I misread the article or does it say she was 15 in eighth grade at an elementary school?


Some Schools bundle 7-9th grade together.
 
2012-03-08 04:46:29 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: So, she's embarrased about being outed so she tells the whole world?


If she was worried about her safety that might make sense, but I don't see why it would be unlikely that she feels embarrassed about being outed to a few hundred people she knows and/or interacts with but not to a few million strangers around the world who read a news article. It's hard to be verbally abused and feel judged by a statistic.
 
2012-03-08 05:04:19 AM  

Pincy: Duly noted about the mistake. Sorry if I jumped on you too hard.

I see what you are saying about the 14% but that doesn't mean it was necessarily easy for this girl. Like ladyfortuna pointed out, the nearest clinic from that zip was 92 miles away. She's only 15 so that complicates things as well. As I mentioned, there are only 12 abortion providers in the whole state. 90% of the counties don't have one. My guess is that most of them are located in the most populous parts of the state so yes, since a lot of women will live close to them then they will have better access, but people in the more rural parts of the state will have a harder time getting access.

The web site I quoted says that New Mexico does not have any major restriction on abortion, so other than that there are only 12 or so providers it appears that women who want abortions and can get to them, although the 14% rate is actually 5 points lower than the national average.

But we are just focusing on this one instance. You have to look at the overall picture. Many states are putting unnecessary rules on abortion in an attempt to discourage them. 87% of all counties in the US don't even have one abortion provider. I just read that in Kansas they won't even allow insurance companies to cover abortion by default (except in cases of life endagerment), you have to purchase an additional rider in order to get it covered. That's the state farking with private insurance plans. And I'm seeing that this isn't the only state. A lot of states are mandating 24-hour waiting periods and state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage a woman from having an abortion. So now not only might you have to travel 92 miles to get to a provider but then you have to do it again after 24 hours.

So yes, Roe v Wade is still technically the law in this country but there are a lot of states that are doing their best to keep women from exercising their rights.


It's okay, mistakes should be corrected, no matter who makes them.

The "87% of counties don't have an abortion provider" statistic is misleading. Those counties contain less than 1/3 of the nation's population. The two most densely-populated areas, the New York area and the Los Angeles area, also have plenty of providers. The 87% number is chosen rather than the 1/3 number because it seems scarier, but that's disingenuous. Also, I'm okay with insurance providers charging extra for covering elective procedures. As far as states making it harder to get an abortion, well, there are other states that aren't doing that, right? Moving to another state might seem like a drastic solution, but it's a lot easier to accomplish than influencing an entire state legislature. Heck, I'm considering changing states just to get lower property tax rates. It kind of seems like it would be better to live in a state whose laws and policies were more closely aligned with your own. It's true that a 15 year old can't move by him or herself. That's because they shouldn't be making those kinds of decisions on their own yet. I would certainly include medical procedures in that category.
 
2012-03-08 05:35:39 AM  

SubBass49: thenateman: SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...

You sound white November-born like an insufferable asshole.

 
2012-03-08 05:57:56 AM  

USP .45: Wingate Elementary is a public boarding school for Native American children

and yet the ACLU overlooks the fact that it's a public school catering to one ethnicity. no problem there


There have been Native American boarding schools since the 19th century.
 
2012-03-08 05:59:28 AM  

untaken_name: Pincy: Duly noted about the mistake. Sorry if I jumped on you too hard.

I see what you are saying about the 14% but that doesn't mean it was necessarily easy for this girl. Like ladyfortuna pointed out, the nearest clinic from that zip was 92 miles away. She's only 15 so that complicates things as well. As I mentioned, there are only 12 abortion providers in the whole state. 90% of the counties don't have one. My guess is that most of them are located in the most populous parts of the state so yes, since a lot of women will live close to them then they will have better access, but people in the more rural parts of the state will have a harder time getting access.

The web site I quoted says that New Mexico does not have any major restriction on abortion, so other than that there are only 12 or so providers it appears that women who want abortions and can get to them, although the 14% rate is actually 5 points lower than the national average.

But we are just focusing on this one instance. You have to look at the overall picture. Many states are putting unnecessary rules on abortion in an attempt to discourage them. 87% of all counties in the US don't even have one abortion provider. I just read that in Kansas they won't even allow insurance companies to cover abortion by default (except in cases of life endagerment), you have to purchase an additional rider in order to get it covered. That's the state farking with private insurance plans. And I'm seeing that this isn't the only state. A lot of states are mandating 24-hour waiting periods and state-directed counseling that includes information designed to discourage a woman from having an abortion. So now not only might you have to travel 92 miles to get to a provider but then you have to do it again after 24 hours.

So yes, Roe v Wade is still technically the law in this country but there are a lot of states that are doing their best to keep women from exercising their rights.

It's okay, mistakes should be correct ...


Alright then. 28% of women don't have access to an abortion provider. There. Happy? Does that sound better?
 
2012-03-08 06:34:21 AM  
Clearly she's a democratic plant.
 
2012-03-08 06:42:45 AM  

calbert: the administrators not keeping their mouths closed isn't the problem, the problem is the slut not keeping her legs closed.


You see how one prevents the other from occurring?

her and her parent should be ashamed. She didn't want anybody to know? Yeah, good luck hiding that baby bump. Kids would've been talking shiat and rumors would've been flying, the school prevented that from occurring.

Yes, use her as an example, that your actions have consequences. If she thinks she's adult enough to have sex, then welcome to the adult world of having to live with the decisions that you've made.


And the judge will not agree, and he'll tell you so-ho-ho-ho.
(W/apologies to Lennon-McCartney)
 
2012-03-08 07:00:59 AM  

Brainmeat: Alright then. 28% of women don't have access to an abortion provider. There. Happy? Does that sound better?


No, I'm not happy, because "in a different county" doesn't automatically equal "has no access" and you're being deceptive by pretending those terms are equivalent. For example, my job used to be three counties away from my home. According to you, I didn't have access to the one while I was at the other. Ridiculous. But, since you asked, yes, 28% of people not having access sounds a lot better than 87%. Are you seriously trying to say that it doesn't?
 
2012-03-08 07:07:07 AM  
I don't understand how we're supposed to be perfectly ok with an 8th grader getting pregnant.
 
2012-03-08 07:08:05 AM  

untaken_name: Brainmeat: Alright then. 28% of women don't have access to an abortion provider. There. Happy? Does that sound better?

No, I'm not happy, because "in a different county" doesn't automatically equal "has no access" and you're being deceptive by pretending those terms are equivalent. For example, my job used to be three counties away from my home. According to you, I didn't have access to the one while I was at the other. Ridiculous. But, since you asked, yes, 28% of people not having access sounds a lot better than 87%. Are you seriously trying to say that it doesn't?


Well you are still arguing for the abortion of an already-born baby, so I would be more worried about being a stupid asshole than whether or not some random Fark poster is happy or not. Remind me again why you're still talking?
 
2012-03-08 07:10:09 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand how we're supposed to be perfectly ok with an 8th grader getting pregnant.


I don't see how thinking 'slut shaming' is wrong is the wrong approach to the problem is the same as being ok with an 8th grader being pregnant.
 
2012-03-08 07:10:11 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand how we're supposed to be perfectly ok with an 8th grader getting pregnant.


We're not, so ignore the morons that think it's ok.
 
2012-03-08 07:11:19 AM  

Mr.Tangent: I don't see how thinking 'slut shaming' is wrong is the wrong approach to the problem is the same as being ok with an 8th grader being pregnant.


That made more sense in my head. I talk gud.
 
2012-03-08 07:13:14 AM  

Spike123: untaken_name: Brainmeat: Alright then. 28% of women don't have access to an abortion provider. There. Happy? Does that sound better?

No, I'm not happy, because "in a different county" doesn't automatically equal "has no access" and you're being deceptive by pretending those terms are equivalent. For example, my job used to be three counties away from my home. According to you, I didn't have access to the one while I was at the other. Ridiculous. But, since you asked, yes, 28% of people not having access sounds a lot better than 87%. Are you seriously trying to say that it doesn't?

Well you are still arguing for the abortion of an already-born baby, so I would be more worried about being a stupid asshole than whether or not some random Fark poster is happy or not. Remind me again why you're still talking?


Gah, no edit button. Minus 1 "happy or not", insert "saying either one matters in this particular case".
 
2012-03-08 07:14:28 AM  

Mr.Tangent: I don't see how thinking 'slut shaming' is wrong is the wrong approach to the problem is the same as being ok with an 8th grader being pregnant.


Where, besides the headline, is slut shaming mentioned?

That's my best interpretation of what the hell you just said.

Mearen: We're not, so ignore the morons that think it's ok.


A large portion of this thread did not even touch that fact. Was what they did wrong? Yes of course, humiliating a child is never right. Was it "slut shaming"? F*ck no, everyone knows you can get pregnant from the first time you have sex. Could she be an example of why you should either at least wait till you're older before having sex or at least f*cking wrap that sh*t up? Yes.
 
2012-03-08 07:14:54 AM  

Spike123: Well you are still arguing for the abortion of an already-born baby, so I would be more worried about being a stupid asshole than whether or not some random Fark poster is happy or not. Remind me again why you're still talking?


Maybe you should try to understand discussions before you enter them. This discussion is centered around the availability of abortion to American women, not a particular abortion. But then, how could you feign outrage if you actually knew what was going on? Oh, and go fark yourself, you self-important dickbag. I'm still talking because thankfully you aren't in charge of who gets to talk.
 
2012-03-08 07:15:50 AM  

Spike123: It's a shiatty situation all around but ya know what you do with people who are going through a hard time? You support them and do what you can to make things easier.


Where's the fun in that?
 
2012-03-08 07:19:15 AM  

untaken_name: Spike123: Well you are still arguing for the abortion of an already-born baby, so I would be more worried about being a stupid asshole than whether or not some random Fark poster is happy or not. Remind me again why you're still talking?

Maybe you should try to understand discussions before you enter them. This discussion is centered around the availability of abortion to American women, not a particular abortion. But then, how could you feign outrage if you actually knew what was going on? Oh, and go fark yourself, you self-important dickbag. I'm still talking because thankfully you aren't in charge of who gets to talk.


No, the discussion is centered around a person who didn't choose to abort the baby in the first place so your whole abortion discussion is worthless and, in this case, insulting. Wanna try again?
 
2012-03-08 07:33:39 AM  

MBK: Remember, if you ban birth control or make it more difficult to obtain, everyone will stop having sex until they are married.


THIS.

Calmamity: lohphat: Regressive Puritans want the 1600's back.

Except that the Puritans were total fu*k machines, just like the rest of us pleasure-driven mammals. They actually had pretty ambivalent attitudes about sex before marriage, fu*king in public and the like.

The Regressive Puritans want a place back that never existed. They want Father Knows Best.


Also, THIS.
 
2012-03-08 07:52:27 AM  

CrispFlows: Spike123: ya know what you do with people who are going through a hard time? You support them and do what you can to make things easier. You don't sit there and laugh or make fun of them or say they should go through another potentially traumatic experience to mitigate their current situation. That's the kind of thing a complete piece of barely-sentient shiat does, not a real human being.

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i2.kym-cdn.com

Both of you
 
2012-03-08 07:52:30 AM  

Spike123: untaken_name: Spike123: Well you are still arguing for the abortion of an already-born baby, so I would be more worried about being a stupid asshole than whether or not some random Fark poster is happy or not. Remind me again why you're still talking?

Maybe you should try to understand discussions before you enter them. This discussion is centered around the availability of abortion to American women, not a particular abortion. But then, how could you feign outrage if you actually knew what was going on? Oh, and go fark yourself, you self-important dickbag. I'm still talking because thankfully you aren't in charge of who gets to talk.

No, the discussion is centered around a person who didn't choose to abort the baby in the first place so your whole abortion discussion is worthless and, in this case, insulting. Wanna try again?


Well, of course he wants to try again. But you are pretty much handling a piece of toad sh*t by dealing with this miserable c*nt. He won't have anything.
 
2012-03-08 07:54:23 AM  
I think we should give all Female students $3000/yr, so this will never happen again!!
 
2012-03-08 07:58:04 AM  

Frostie1: I think we should give all Female students $3000/yr, so this will never happen again!!


...what? I'm aware that's probably sarcasm but I have no idea what the contrary viewpoint it's meant to be supporting is.
 
2012-03-08 08:10:17 AM  

Bathia_Mapes:
There have been Native American boarding schools since the 19th century.


I hope everyone notes that all the "Right to life" republicans, who are concerned for the chillun in Israel, and Syria, who want to Bomb Iran, who claim to care about life, and freedom, have said fark all about our domestic concentration camps. They'll be the first to whip out trillions in aid for Israel, to "prevent another holocaust" but when it comes to the treatment of Natives who have been surviving the ongoing american holocaust, they will point their greasy fat, white fingers at a few "casino-rich" injuns and say, they got theirs. Saying nothing about the kids on reservations that have no electricity, or running water.
Principal ought to have a date with 4 stakes, some fresh sinew, and a fire ant mound.
 
2012-03-08 08:18:23 AM  
The school admins were in the wrong for kicking her out. There is no question about that...

Yeah, they were total dicks for calling her out in front of the rest of the student body...but...if I may offer preservative here...

FTFA: "It was so embarrassing to have all the other kids staring at me as I walked into the gymnasium," said Hicks, according to KOB. "I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

Ummm...sweetie, look...your school administrators were jerks, no questions...but you know that once you get pregnant and as babby is formed, you will start to show signs of pregnancy - your tummy will get bigger! Furthermore, there was a strong likelihood that a portion of your peers already knew, as gossip spreads very quickly...

Good for her getting the ACLU on her side and getting the ball rolling on a lawsuit. But acting victimized by getting called out and calling it "embarrassing" is a bit of a stretch. She is (was) pregnant, shes gonna show...enough said.
 
2012-03-08 08:26:51 AM  

moonage daydream: SubBass49: Oh...and...15 year-old 8th grader? shiat...I was 17 when I entered college...and I wasn't some great student or anything...

Clearly you weren't, because you failed to realize the baby is now about two or three years old....


Was it in TFA? No? Then shuddafrkkup.
 
2012-03-08 08:28:56 AM  

thenateman: The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

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Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

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Damn you...

I love the Blake's green chile cheeseburger. I can only hope I'm idealizing it, but Blake's has my favorite fast food ever.

Ever had a stuffed sopapilla from Genaro's in Gallup?

[www.mytravelguide.com image 390x293]
This one served Christmas


CSB time...

My wife and I used to live in Albuquerque. During that time, the guy who founded that chain passed away (Blake Chanslor). Being dirt poor grad students, my wife and I were avid thrift-store shoppers. One day at Thrifttown (yes, really) we walked in to find a huge section of ridiculously-nice-but-tacky furniture, including a pair of enormous lamps with nekkid cupids hanging off of them, most of it exactly the kind of tacky that burquenos love. According to the employees, Chanslor's estate donated a bunch of stuff. We ended up passing on the lamps, but are the proud owners of Blake's baby-blue stereo cabinet.

\if you can believe the ThriftTown employees, of course.
\\not sure why they'd lie...
 
2012-03-08 08:29:54 AM  

Endive Wombat: But acting victimized by getting called out and calling it "embarrassing" is a bit of a stretc


SO I can knock up an 8th grader and no one is going to call her a "victim?"
Good to know.
 
2012-03-08 08:30:03 AM  

gerrymander: Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?

Probably unnecessary. The kinds of guys who would impregnate a 15-year-old eight-grader are usually the the ones who dropped out as high school sophomores, as soon as they turned 21.


I think a bigger problem is that we have 15 year old 8th graders. This is the second one I've heard of this year. One got prego then other shot up his school... I think.
 
2012-03-08 08:46:42 AM  
pretty sure people would have figured this out eventually. FTA blocked at work but i see TFA headline.
 
2012-03-08 08:47:02 AM  

cman: I wouldn't go that far. I doubt Christians would execute veiled women in a soccer field for adultery


Yet.
 
2012-03-08 08:49:41 AM  

MBK: Remember, if you ban birth control or make it more difficult to obtain, everyone will stop having sex until they are married.


Kind of a straw man argument, isn't it?
 
2012-03-08 08:51:14 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: I don't understand how we're supposed to be perfectly ok with an 8th grader getting pregnant.


We aren't supposed to be. But kicking her out of school and turning the entire school population against her most definitely is further from the correct choice.
 
2012-03-08 08:55:28 AM  

MBK: Remember, if you ban birth control or make it more difficult to obtain, everyone will stop having sex until they are married.


I know Santorum says states should have the right to ban birth control, but I don't think anyone is actually trying to do so.

Regardless, that's not what this story is about. This is about a public school invading the private life of one of its students. the administrators who did this should be fired.

 
2012-03-08 09:02:19 AM  

tomWright: CrispFlows: Spike123: ya know what you do with people who are going through a hard time? You support them and do what you can to make things easier. You don't sit there and laugh or make fun of them or say they should go through another potentially traumatic experience to mitigate their current situation. That's the kind of thing a complete piece of barely-sentient shiat does, not a real human being.

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Both of you


I have no delusions about polishing these turds into something I'd wanna drink with, I just thought the whole "hey let's not be assholes" thing might deserve a spot in the conversation. Didn't think it'd actually do much though, I know where I'm posting.
 
2012-03-08 09:07:32 AM  
So why are they not prosecuting for statutory rape?
 
2012-03-08 09:09:01 AM  

AbbeySomeone: serpent_sky: namegoeshere: Pregnancy is a medical condition. Congrats on violating HIPPA, school director.

At least the way too young mother will have money to take care of her child when she wins the lawsuit, or the ACLU makes sure they settle out of court for a handsome sum.

It's not a HIPPA issue, in this case, but if you read the article, it's "violation of constitutional rights to equal protection and of the Title IX prohibition against sex and pregnancy discrimination in education."

Added bonus is that she is native in NM.
This situation is pathetic all around. Girls that age should not be having sex and in no way are ready to bear the burden of a child.
The principle may have attempted to use her as an example of what should not happen. If he is white he will be crucified; if he is native it will be another story.


Well I don't know about that. I had sex for the first time when I was 15 with my bf of the time. Yes I was young, but I was lucky enough to have received a very through and comprehensive sex education and I felt that I was able to make an informed decision. We used two kinds of protection and talked about the plan at great length.
I relalize I am probably the exception to the rule, but it's unfair to assume that all 15 year olds are too immature for sex. I look back on that day now and I can safely say I have zero regrets. We were smart and safe about it and we suffered no ill effects.
 
2012-03-08 09:15:07 AM  

lackadaisicalfreakshow: So why are they not prosecuting for statutory rape?


My first guess would be "the father isn't old enough".
 
2012-03-08 09:18:03 AM  

thenateman: The Ghost of Tom Ace: thenateman: AbbeySomeone: /miss green chilie

FTFY. And here's some green chile pron.

[i232.photobucket.com image 639x478]

Damn you...
Are you familiar with this?

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 480x640]

Damn you...

I love the Blake's green chile cheeseburger. I can only hope I'm idealizing it, but Blake's has my favorite fast food ever.

Ever had a stuffed sopapilla from Genaro's in Gallup?

[www.mytravelguide.com image 390x293]
This one served Christmas


This is why I love Fark. I open a thread expecting a lot of hurr durr political banter, and I stumble across some delicious green chili places.

Well done.
 
2012-03-08 09:21:01 AM  
That school staff is beyond farked. They probably have no idea.
 
2012-03-08 09:30:42 AM  

vudukungfu: Endive Wombat: But acting victimized by getting called out and calling it "embarrassing" is a bit of a stretc

SO I can knock up an 8th grader and no one is going to call her a "victim?"
Good to know.


Yup. An adult banging a child is exactly what I was talking about here.

Nowhere in the article does it mention who she had sex with, but I am going to imagine if it was rape, it would have been in the article, because not only is calling the kid out a dick thing to do...if she was a pregnant rape victim, the behavior of the administrators would be even more inflammatory.
 
2012-03-08 09:30:45 AM  
I don't suppose getting pregnant herself has anything to do with her embarrassing situation.
No, my bad. It's just mean adults.
 
2012-03-08 09:34:47 AM  

Runs_With_Scissors_: gerrymander: Runs_With_Scissors_: Do they kick out guys who have a babby out of wedlock?

Probably unnecessary. The kinds of guys who would impregnate a 15-year-old eight-grader are usually the the ones who dropped out as high school sophomores, as soon as they turned 21.

I figured as much on that part.

I'm referring to the guys who knocked up someone - anyone - out of wedlock. Were they kicked out?


Unless the girl was raped, all she had to do was say, "no."

/sorry ladies, you bear the majority of the responsibility here because you bear the consequences. Nature isn't fair.
 
2012-03-08 09:37:55 AM  

doubled99: I don't suppose getting pregnant herself has anything to do with her embarrassing situation.
No, my bad. It's just mean adults.


Basically what I said above...
 
2012-03-08 09:46:14 AM  

tomWright: CrispFlows: Spike123: ya know what you do with people who are going through a hard time? You support them and do what you can to make things easier. You don't sit there and laugh or make fun of them or say they should go through another potentially traumatic experience to mitigate their current situation. That's the kind of thing a complete piece of barely-sentient shiat does, not a real human being.

[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 379x316]

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Both of you


Are you referring to Fark or the real world?
 
2012-03-08 09:47:05 AM  

CliChe Guevara: Which one has been around trying to destroy the other in holy wars since at least the crusades? Which one habitually had state religions for most of two millenia? Which one had purges, pogroms, crusades, and inquisitions regularly?


The war between Christan Europe and Muslim Africa/Asia was 384 years old at the time of the first Crusade, itself 85 years after the Muslims closed the holy lands to Christian pilgrims. The Spaniards fought the Moorish jihad for 780 years.
 
2012-03-08 09:49:24 AM  
FARK Historians/lawyer types:

Since the girl in the article is Native American and she lives on a reservation, due to treaties with Native Americans on tribal land, would she be protected under the US constitution/US law?
 
2012-03-08 10:00:16 AM  
Has she gotten her own TV show yet?

(BTW--total dick move by the school.)
 
2012-03-08 10:10:45 AM  

Endive Wombat: FTFA: "It was so embarrassing to have all the other kids staring at me as I walked into the gymnasium," said Hicks, according to KOB. "I didn't want the whole school to know I was pregnant because it's not their business, and it wasn't right for my teachers to single me out."

Ummm...sweetie, look...your school administrators were jerks, no questions...but you know that once you get pregnant and as babby is formed, you will start to show signs of pregnancy - your tummy will get bigger! Furthermore, there was a strong likelihood that a portion of your peers already knew, as gossip spreads very quickly...

Good for her getting the ACLU on her side and getting the ball rolling on a lawsuit. But acting victimized by getting called out and calling it "embarrassing" is a bit of a stretch. She is (was) pregnant, shes gonna show...enough said.


The embarrassment is that it is about privacy violation involving personal medical information. If I had an assembly where the school forced me to stand before the middle school assembly and announced my condition, "He is obese.", I'd be just as mortified, even though everyone can clearly see my condition.

Let me reiterate this:
Wingate Elementry did a major privacy violation involving personal medical information, it doesn't matter about how obvious the condition is.
 
2012-03-08 10:12:08 AM  
According to the suit [...]

I misread the last word as "slut." Is that wrong?
 
2012-03-08 10:18:34 AM  
Oh it is far too bad that there wasn't some way or device that she could have used to prevent this whole thing from taking place and her life getting ruined.
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Yeah I am going to start crying a river for her any second now...yep any second.

I do agree that it was wrong for the school to make her tell the whole school, but had she been a bit smarter there would not have been an issue to start with.
 
2012-03-08 10:22:04 AM  

thenateman: How do you eat your chile? From a bucket?


On eggs, hamburgers, mixed in with tacos, in chicken stew. I just hate cheese sauce and I like my fries crispy.
 
2012-03-08 10:22:18 AM  
Endive Wombat Smartest
Funniest
2012-03-08 09:30:42 AM


vudukungfu: Endive Wombat: But acting victimized by getting called out and calling it "embarrassing" is a bit of a stretc

SO I can knock up an 8th grader and no one is going to call her a "victim?"
Good to know.

Yup. An adult banging a child is exactly what I was talking about here.

Nowhere in the article does it mention who she had sex with, but I am going to imagine if it was rape,


Of course you are. You're reasonable and intelligent.
 
2012-03-08 10:50:08 AM  

GAT_00: Runs_With_Scissors_: Is this horrifying, or what?

Did we skip back in time a hundred years?

That or we suddenly changed to Saudi Arabia. Theocracy is theocracy, and the Christian ones are worse because that's what we'll have here.


I've argued with fundamentalists who say that I shouldn't be worried about a Christian theocracy because they don't do insane things like the Saudis. I've always replied that that's only because they lack the power and that's an excellent reason to keep their religion from having any secular power.

Turns out I was right.