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(Las Vegas Sun)   You have to play a football team that outscored its regular season opponents 639-156 and won the state championship 72-28. Since practice and grit take effort, it goes without saying you try and get them excluded from post season play instead   (lasvegassun.com) divider line 51
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2012-03-07 01:29:57 PM  
American footyball: serius bizness.
 
2012-03-07 01:31:37 PM  

gopher321: American footyball: serius bizness.


As opposed to European football where nothing crazy ever happens?
 
2012-03-07 01:58:00 PM  
The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.
 
2012-03-07 02:02:37 PM  

kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.


In Nevada?? They do not have enough private schools to sent up their own league.

Private schools can only recruit within a certain area. If they try to get a family to move into that area just so their kid can play sports they get in trouble.
 
2012-03-07 02:05:27 PM  

kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.


Yeah, the system in inherently unbalanced. Public schools have to take almost any kid that walks in the door. They don't have to put them on the football team, but it puts them in the pool of players to pick from. Around here the private schools can't recruit for sports. Wink, wink. It goes on all the time.
 
2012-03-07 02:07:54 PM  

kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot.


/thread
 
2012-03-07 02:11:52 PM  
They accused Gorman of improper recruiting techniques and grilled Kilduff on the school's tuition assistance policy, questioning whether the school or boosters are paying athletes to attend.

Kilduff said it's the parents' responsibility to sign a compliance form and to make sure "there's not anything happening that shouldn't be."


Lulz. Yeah, parents are going to be super concerned whether their kids are getting improper benefits from a high school that ordinarily wouldn't touch their kids with a 10 foot pole.
 
2012-03-07 02:22:40 PM  

chuckufarlie:
Private schools can only recruit within a certain area. If they try to get a family to move into that area just so their kid can play sports they get in trouble.


Yeah, "in trouble". Who is going to report them?

Also, subby, the team that lost the championship had that point spread, not the champion.

Illinois bumps up the population of each "non-boundried" school by 1.33 for classification purposes. If you don't do well in a sport though, you get bumped back down for that sport. The issue really isn't recruitment, it is that the private schools don't have those waste of space students. Their participation rates are so high, they function like a larger public school.
 
2012-03-07 02:23:07 PM  

kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.


There was no question the private school I went to my freshman year was handing out "art" scholarshops to athletes. The solution was to kick them out of the city league and force them into the suburban league.

Dunno if there's not enough private schools in Nevada to make this feasible or not.

Personally I'd love to see an end to school sponsored athletics and let all the kids just join atheltic clubs like they do in Europe. But maybe I'm just not real American enough or something.
 
2012-03-07 02:25:58 PM  

chuckufarlie: kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.

In Nevada?? They do not have enough private schools to sent up their own league.


Oh. Well then they should dump their sports program all together. Think of the tuition savings.

Their problems aren't other school's problems.
 
2012-03-07 02:26:34 PM  
White people problems?
 
2012-03-07 02:33:07 PM  

error 303: kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.

There was no question the private school I went to my freshman year was handing out "art" scholarshops to athletes. The solution was to kick them out of the city league and force them into the suburban league.

Dunno if there's not enough private schools in Nevada to make this feasible or not.

Personally I'd love to see an end to school sponsored athletics and let all the kids just join atheltic clubs like they do in Europe. But maybe I'm just not real American enough or something.


In Europe, where they literally have athletics sponsored schools? In Europe where kinds 14 years old get signed to 6 figure contracts, are frequently made to play against grown men, and neglect school because they expect to make a living playing soccer and only get about 3 or 4 actual years of salary out of it?
 
2012-03-07 02:33:48 PM  

error 303: kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.

There was no question the private school I went to my freshman year was handing out "art" scholarshops to athletes. The solution was to kick them out of the city league and force them into the suburban league.

Dunno if there's not enough private schools in Nevada to make this feasible or not.

Personally I'd love to see an end to school sponsored athletics and let all the kids just join atheltic clubs like they do in Europe. But maybe I'm just not real American enough or something.


I see people like you all the time in other threads complaining that kids are too fat from not enough physical activity.
 
2012-03-07 02:38:38 PM  
You would think the NCAA would put the kibash on that if any of the players wanted to play college ball.

For instance, with LeBron James they basically told him no way in hell could he play college basketball because he was driving an Escalade as a high school junior.
 
2012-03-07 02:42:24 PM  
Sounds like Dunbar in Baltimore.

1983-84 Dunbar basketball team:

TYRONE "MUGGSY" BOGUES
REGGIE WILLIAMS
DAVID WINGATE
REGGIE LEWIS
 
2012-03-07 02:42:46 PM  

bacongood: chuckufarlie:
Private schools can only recruit within a certain area. If they try to get a family to move into that area just so their kid can play sports they get in trouble.

Yeah, "in trouble". Who is going to report them?

Also, subby, the team that lost the championship had that point spread, not the champion.

Illinois bumps up the population of each "non-boundried" school by 1.33 for classification purposes. If you don't do well in a sport though, you get bumped back down for that sport. The issue really isn't recruitment, it is that the private schools don't have those waste of space students. Their participation rates are so high, they function like a larger public school.


Who is going to report them? Those same whinyass parents of kids at other schools that got this mess started. Nevada does not have a large enough population to do what you do in Illinois
 
2012-03-07 02:43:12 PM  
Submitard fails at reading comprehension. The team that LOST to the bullies in question outscored their opponents 639-156.
 
2012-03-07 02:43:23 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: You would think the NCAA would put the kibash on that if any of the players wanted to play college ball.

For instance, with LeBron James they basically told him no way in hell could he play college basketball because he was driving an Escalade as a high school junior.


These kids are not driving fancy cars.
 
2012-03-07 02:44:58 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: chuckufarlie: kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.

In Nevada?? They do not have enough private schools to sent up their own league.

Oh. Well then they should dump their sports program all together. Think of the tuition savings.

Their problems aren't other school's problems.


that seems like an incredibly stupid solution.
 
2012-03-07 02:48:16 PM  
Private schools and Public schools do not belong on the same fields as each other.

Private schools should not be allowed in the public school leagues. Period.

I'm sorry if there are not enough schools to have their own league. That's too bad. They are private.

It is completely unfair to pit recruited teams against teams of kids who go to their public school because they live in a district and are told where to go.
 
2012-03-07 02:48:50 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: You would think the NCAA would put the kibash on that if any of the players wanted to play college ball.

For instance, with LeBron James they basically told him no way in hell could he play college basketball because he was driving an Escalade as a high school junior.


It was a hummer. Lebrons mom gave all his friends hummers, but only Lebrons was drivable.
 
2012-03-07 02:51:24 PM  
I was watching this fascintating documentary on PBS in the fall it was about this small town in Arkansas (I think) high school football program. Basically they followed these kids around and they talked about how families would move to that town just to have their sons play on the team. They might live on the otherside of the state but they would rent an apartment in town just for that reason. This one kid already had a PR guy that was producing MTV style videos to market him around to colleges or something. The video shoot was amazing he comes out on a stage fireworks going off, cheerleaders dancing around him. Him dancing around in his uniform. The part that really blew my mind was he had huge rubbermaid bins full of letters from every coach in the country, or close to it. Most of them hand written with personal numbers on them. I could fit all my college acceceptance letters in a baby shoe box.
 
2012-03-07 03:00:13 PM  
I wish they'd settle this issue on the field, rather than a board room.

Nothing lets the other team know you disagree with their policies like chop-blocking their QB.
 
2012-03-07 03:01:46 PM  

chuckufarlie: HotWingConspiracy: chuckufarlie: kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.

In Nevada?? They do not have enough private schools to sent up their own league.

Oh. Well then they should dump their sports program all together. Think of the tuition savings.

Their problems aren't other school's problems.

that seems like an incredibly stupid solution.


*shrug*

I guess they're out of options then.
 
2012-03-07 03:12:40 PM  

LarryDan43: TheGreatGazoo: You would think the NCAA would put the kibash on that if any of the players wanted to play college ball.

For instance, with LeBron James they basically told him no way in hell could he play college basketball because he was driving an Escalade as a high school junior.

It was a hummer. Lebrons mom gave all his friends hummers, but only Lebrons was drivable.


Snert.
 
2012-03-07 03:14:23 PM  

Captain Steroid: I wish they'd settle this issue on the field, rather than a board room.

Nothing lets the other team know you disagree with their policies like chop-blocking their QB.


Sean Payton and Gregg Williams approve.
 
2012-03-07 03:23:27 PM  
Here in Colorado we refer to this elitist, douchebaggery as Valor Christian High School.
 
2012-03-07 03:26:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: chuckufarlie: HotWingConspiracy: chuckufarlie: kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.

In Nevada?? They do not have enough private schools to sent up their own league.

Oh. Well then they should dump their sports program all together. Think of the tuition savings.

Their problems aren't other school's problems.

that seems like an incredibly stupid solution.

*shrug*

I guess they're out of options then.


they can just keep on playing schools that do not practice enough and have shiatty coaches
 
2012-03-07 03:36:23 PM  

Udontknowme: Here in Colorado we refer to this elitist, douchebaggery as Valor Christian High School.


In california they're called De La Salle, or Mater Dei. but there are enough private school here that it's not nearly the issue it appears to be in Nevada
 
2012-03-07 03:38:32 PM  

Udontknowme: Here in Colorado we refer to this elitist, douchebaggery as Valor Christian High School.


In Idaho, it is Bishop Kelly High School
 
2012-03-07 03:48:37 PM  
in Louisiana the powerhouses are: John Curtis (Private), Evangel (Private), and West Monroe (Public)

Years ago, Evangel and West Monroe were the dual 5A powers. So, for West Monroe to get 5A all to itself, the LHSAA ruled that all teams HAD to play in their student population based classification. Evangel got busted down to 1A, since, essentially, the school is made up of only football players, and 1A football in Louisiana was crucified so West Monroe could win its championships.

/John Curtis moved from 4A to 2A.
//Now Evangel, John Curtis, and Calvary Baptist (Sith Evangel) all play in 2A
 
2012-03-07 03:55:19 PM  

Broktun: Sounds like Dunbar in Baltimore.

1983-84 Dunbar basketball team:

TYRONE "MUGGSY" BOGUES
REGGIE WILLIAMS
DAVID WINGATE
REGGIE LEWIS


Dunbar's a public school.
 
2012-03-07 04:00:08 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Broktun: Sounds like Dunbar in Baltimore.

1983-84 Dunbar basketball team:

TYRONE "MUGGSY" BOGUES
REGGIE WILLIAMS
DAVID WINGATE
REGGIE LEWIS

Dunbar's a public school.


To be fair to private schools, many top public programs "recruit" as well. Some of it is a function of wanting to go to where the best coaches are and a perennial winner and another is straight up recruiting.
 
2012-03-07 04:15:51 PM  

srhp29: Private schools and Public schools do not belong on the same fields as each other.

Private schools should not be allowed in the public school leagues. Period.

I'm sorry if there are not enough schools to have their own league. That's too bad. They are private.

It is completely unfair to pit recruited teams against teams of kids who go to their public school because they live in a district and are told where to go.


All this and more.

I can't believe the obsession with HS sports among people these days. And I was considered a jock at that age; played sports year round, was on lots of good HS and club teams.

In Denver, they've been laying off teachers for years but the story that dominated the news for weeks was some High School football coach getting canned. Who gives a fark? It's like we're all living in Uncle Rico's fevered dreams.
 
2012-03-07 04:23:38 PM  

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: In Denver, they've been laying off teachers for years but the story that dominated the news for weeks was some High School football coach getting canned. Who gives a fark? It's like we're all living in Uncle Rico's fevered dreams.


Well, that coach wasn't exactly laid off. He was fired. He was also one of the most successful coaches in state history. His problem was that he worked for an Athletic Diresctor who wanted to be the Quarterback coach and was told no.

Memo to Coach Logan:

When your boss appears to want to be the QB coach on your football team....appear to make him the QB coach on your football team.

Or be fired and move on to Cherry Creek.
 
2012-03-07 04:28:03 PM  

Broktun: Sounds like Dunbar in Baltimore.

1983-84 Dunbar basketball team:

TYRONE "MUGGSY" BOGUES
REGGIE WILLIAMS
DAVID WINGATE
REGGIE LEWIS


That's a fair high school basketball team.
 
2012-03-07 04:37:18 PM  
Subby lied, the team in question didn't outscore their opponents 639-156 during the year. They actually BEAT the team that did that 72-28 in the state finals.
 
2012-03-07 04:37:21 PM  

Moopy Mac: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Broktun: Sounds like Dunbar in Baltimore.

1983-84 Dunbar basketball team:

TYRONE "MUGGSY" BOGUES
REGGIE WILLIAMS
DAVID WINGATE
REGGIE LEWIS

Dunbar's a public school.

To be fair to private schools, many top public programs "recruit" as well. Some of it is a function of wanting to go to where the best coaches are and a perennial winner and another is straight up recruiting.


You're also talking about Baltimore City, whose school district has all kids choose which school they want to go to. Granted, they didn't have that system in 1983, but until a few years ago, several schools could pick which students to accept. Now, all schools in Baltimore do that.
 
2012-03-07 04:45:22 PM  
As for BGHS, while there aren't enough private schools to create a separate league, the one school that wouldn't surprise me spearheading this issue is Palo Verde. According to my brother and sister, both graduates of of PV in the mid-2000's, many of the athletes at BG were zoned for PV.

I don't know if one of them is Shabazz Muhammad, the #1 basketball recruit in the nation. He's having his NCAA eligibility investigated, which could complicate matters further.
 
2012-03-07 04:53:45 PM  
In Kentucky, it's Trinity and St. Xavier.

The two have won the past 11 highest class football championships. And since 1975, Trinity has won 18 and St. Xavier 9. No other school has more than 3.
 
2012-03-07 05:37:25 PM  

Udontknowme: The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: In Denver, they've been laying off teachers for years but the story that dominated the news for weeks was some High School football coach getting canned. Who gives a fark? It's like we're all living in Uncle Rico's fevered dreams.

Well, that coach wasn't exactly laid off. He was fired. He was also one of the most successful coaches in state history. His problem was that he worked for an Athletic Diresctor who wanted to be the Quarterback coach and was told no.

Memo to Coach Logan:

When your boss appears to want to be the QB coach on your football team....appear to make him the QB coach on your football team.

Or be fired and move on to Cherry Creek.


Well, if Logan wants to win any more state titles, he's ultimately going to have to coach at Valor Christian, which is Colorado's Gorman.

/there's quite a few Gormans and Valors nationally - weird how some schools have to ask kids to pay for equipment, while others can recruit kids to play in world-class facilities.

kimsulli.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-03-07 06:37:18 PM  
Kids are going to wind up at the school their parents believe will give them the best shot at college. My son played for a church school that went something like 46 - 5 while he was there. It got so strange that public-to-private transfers had to ride the bench a year, and the school was prevented from recruiting. And they kept moving the school into the upper brackets.

This school had 600 students and it was playing schools with 3,000 students. It still kicked ass and won state championships. None of it changed until an out of state school hired our coach away for a couple hundred thousand a year. Our school is now stuck in a class way over its head and is the district's punching bag.
 
2012-03-07 06:59:42 PM  
Everyone in America wants to be successful. They want to to live the American Dream.

Now, if someone actually gets it though? Well fark them assholes.
 
2012-03-07 08:51:51 PM  
I live right down the street from Reed high school so I'm really getting a kick..............................................
 
2012-03-08 02:22:48 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Now, if someone actually gets it though? Well fark them assholes.


Really? The American Dream is to play football in a league where you have a massive advantage in recruitment over almost every other teams, and then pummel them mercilessly every year? To set up school recruitment in such a way as to emphasise sports over education?

Actually, that sounds about right. That is the American Dream.
 
2012-03-08 02:32:15 AM  
Who came up with this national-ranking shiat for high schools? THEY'RE HIGH SCHOOLS. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE SCHEDULING GAMES ON THE OTHER END OF THE COUNTRY IN THE FIRST PLACE.
 
2012-03-08 02:52:10 AM  

Gosling: Who came up with this national-ranking shiat for high schools? THEY'RE HIGH SCHOOLS. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE SCHEDULING GAMES ON THE OTHER END OF THE COUNTRY IN THE FIRST PLACE.


Sometimes public school districts near private powerhouses will completely refuse to schedule that powerhouse. So that school has to find other schools dealing with the same predicament. My high school borders the state of Kansas (the school is in Missouri) and literally all the schools in eastern Kansas refuse to play them. So they just play other states' champion-caliber teams.

Waste of money? Absolutely.

Does the school emphasize football over academics? Hell no.
 
2012-03-08 03:02:44 AM  

gwowen: Jim from Saint Paul: Now, if someone actually gets it though? Well fark them assholes.

Really? The American Dream is to play football in a league where you have a massive advantage in recruitment over almost every other teams, and then pummel them mercilessly every year? To set up school recruitment in such a way as to emphasise sports over education?

Actually, that sounds about right. That is the American Dream.


mypartyshirt.com
 
2012-03-08 03:21:38 AM  

gwowen: Jim from Saint Paul: Now, if someone actually gets it though? Well fark them assholes.

Really? The American Dream is to play football in a league where you have a massive advantage in recruitment over almost every other teams, and then pummel them mercilessly every year? To set up school recruitment in such a way as to emphasise sports over education?

Actually, that sounds about right. That is the American Dream.


To be fair, I think you might be assuming the sports over education thing. I know when I lived out there, parents would change churches to try and help get kids into the private schools. Im guessing that Gorman v your average Las Vegas High School is not a very flattering academic comparison for the public schools.


/ and yes, you do want to beat up on your opponents.
 
2012-03-08 08:51:38 AM  

chuckufarlie: kronicfeld: The private school can actively recruit athletes. The public schools cannot. Let the private school join a league with other private schools where everyone has to play by the same rules.

In Nevada?? They do not have enough private schools to sent up their own league.

Private schools can only recruit within a certain area. If they try to get a family to move into that area just so their kid can play sports they get in trouble.


B.S.

In our state, we had/have the same problem. Our "solution" was to make them move up a division to play larger schools.

As a way to combat the problem, as I have seen it play out here...the simple solution would be to make ineligable any student who has immediate family working for the school for 4 years after emigrating to the school's area.

...or tank a random mid-season game, and then make sure the state final is "close" every year.
 
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