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(Omaha World Herald)   Rev. Jane Florence of First United Methodist Church in Omaha: "It's a disgrace when Scripture is used to exclude and condemn and marginalize people"   (omaha.com) divider line 206
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2012-03-07 08:04:15 AM  
hero indeed.

so, on the one side, you had her and oscar-winning writer/director alexander payne, and on the other, a football coach and a derpy minister.

i can't believe that we're even having a debate about this shiat in 2012.
 
2012-03-07 08:23:03 AM  
Amen!
 
2012-03-07 08:31:53 AM  
DNRTFA but I'd say the tag is well deserved. I may donate to her church.
 
2012-03-07 08:42:08 AM  
Damn rIght.
 
2012-03-07 08:48:26 AM  
I would hope she has as much concern for the eternal fate of the souls in her Parish as she does for the rights of those she was testifying for.
 
2012-03-07 08:49:29 AM  

EnviroDude: I would hope she has as much concern for the eternal fate of the souls in her Parish as she does for the rights of those she was testifying for.


Why do you think she was testifying?
 
2012-03-07 08:52:23 AM  
Further, they said, the amended ordinance would force those morally opposed to gay and transgender activity to accept state-sanctioned behavior.

Aww, you won't be able to discriminate and spew your hatred at gay people anymore. What's the world coming to?
 
2012-03-07 08:54:30 AM  

AbbeySomeone: DNRTFA but I'd say the tag is well deserved. I may donate to her church.


What exactly makes this lady a hero? There are thousands and thousands of people who are fighting for gay and transgender equality. One religious leader supports it and that makes her a hero?

Our definition of what makes a hero has really fallen hard.
 
2012-03-07 09:03:51 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Why do you think she was testifying?


it was a public hearing?
 
2012-03-07 09:04:18 AM  

BurnShrike: AbbeySomeone: DNRTFA but I'd say the tag is well deserved. I may donate to her church.

What exactly makes this lady a hero? There are thousands and thousands of people who are fighting for gay and transgender equality. One religious leader supports it and that makes her a hero?

Our definition of what makes a hero has really fallen hard.


It's a sad state of affairs when "being a decent human being with compassion" is considered heroic behavior.
 
2012-03-07 09:09:52 AM  

Aarontology: BurnShrike: AbbeySomeone: DNRTFA but I'd say the tag is well deserved. I may donate to her church.

What exactly makes this lady a hero? There are thousands and thousands of people who are fighting for gay and transgender equality. One religious leader supports it and that makes her a hero?

Our definition of what makes a hero has really fallen hard.

It's a sad state of affairs when "being a decent human being with compassion" is considered heroic behavior.


It's sad that it's reality. So many religious people use the bible to beat others with.
 
2012-03-07 09:16:18 AM  

BurnShrike: What exactly makes this lady a hero?


um... gee, i dunno... the fact that she's a methodist minister speaking out against religiously sanctioned hatred, which has become prevalent in this debate?
 
2012-03-07 09:16:30 AM  

Aarontology: It's a sad state of affairs when "being a decent human being with compassion" is considered heroic behavior.


I'm not a homophobic douchebag either. Where's my Hero tag?
 
2012-03-07 09:21:37 AM  

BurnShrike: What exactly makes this lady a hero? There are thousands and thousands of people who are fighting for gay and transgender equality. One religious leader supports it and that makes her a hero?


After all the bashing the religious have gotten on this issue, one would think you would be happy that one sees the point. Christ never bashed gays either.
 
2012-03-07 09:22:11 AM  

FlashHarry: BurnShrike: What exactly makes this lady a hero?

um... gee, i dunno... the fact that she's a methodist minister speaking out against religiously sanctioned hatred, which has become prevalent in this debate?


So she's a religious leader who isn't a bigot trying to control other people's genitalia. That makes her a hero?
 
2012-03-07 09:26:25 AM  

BurnShrike: Aarontology: It's a sad state of affairs when "being a decent human being with compassion" is considered heroic behavior.

I'm not a homophobic douchebag either. Where's my Hero tag?


You're a hero in my eyes BurnSstrike.
 
2012-03-07 09:26:36 AM  

Kurmudgeon: BurnShrike: What exactly makes this lady a hero? There are thousands and thousands of people who are fighting for gay and transgender equality. One religious leader supports it and that makes her a hero?

After all the bashing the religious have gotten on this issue, one would think you would be happy that one sees the point. Christ never bashed gays either.


I am glad to see her supporting the ethical side, but that doesn't mean she's a hero by any means. A hero is someone who risks their life for another, or who sacrifices something dear to them to help another. A religious leader who shows a lack of bigotry towards gays is not a hero. That should be the "normal".

That people think she's a hero just shows how despicable religious leaders are in general.
 
2012-03-07 09:27:01 AM  

BurnShrike: So she's a religious leader who isn't a bigot trying to control other people's genitalia. That makes her a hero?


in this day and age, yes.

BurnShrike: I'm not a homophobic douchebag either. Where's my Hero tag?


are you the minister of a major church in a red state criticizing your fellow clergy for their hypocrisy regarding an issue that is extremely contentious and on which you have taken the unpopular but morally correct side? yes? then here you go: img1.fark.net
 
2012-03-07 09:28:02 AM  

BurnShrike: That people think she's a hero just shows how despicable religious leaders are in general.


i believe that's the point.

and i agree that in a better world, this would be normal and not heroic.
 
2012-03-07 09:31:58 AM  

BurnShrike: FlashHarry: BurnShrike: What exactly makes this lady a hero?

um... gee, i dunno... the fact that she's a methodist minister speaking out against religiously sanctioned hatred, which has become prevalent in this debate?

So she's a religious leader who isn't a bigot trying to control other people's genitalia. That makes her a hero?


It makes her a rarity - a minister actually following Christ's example... who'd have thunk it...
 
2012-03-07 09:33:04 AM  

AbbeySomeone: It's sad that it's reality. So many religious people use the bible to beat others with.


hell, even take the religious thing out of it. Take those politicians who come around on something after they've left office. They're not heroes. They're cowards. Heroes would have taken a stand when it was unpopular and carried risk of electoral backlash.

BurnShrike: I'm not a homophobic douchebag either. Where's my Hero tag?


I'm going to lobby for a statue to be built in your honor.
 
2012-03-07 09:39:19 AM  

EnviroDude: I would hope she has as much concern for the eternal fate of the souls in her Parish as she does for the rights of those she was testifying for.


Because Jesus was all about the gay bashing and discrimination. He expressed those values in his famous Smackdown on the Mount.
 
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2012-03-07 09:49:36 AM  
I thought that's what it was for!

I don't think he has a very bright future in poligion.

www.butnotyet.com
 
2012-03-07 09:52:05 AM  

Diogenes: Because Jesus was all about the gay bashing and discrimination. He expressed those values in his famous Smackdown on the Mount.


pssst. he's a troll.
 
2012-03-07 09:53:54 AM  

FlashHarry: Diogenes: Because Jesus was all about the gay bashing and discrimination. He expressed those values in his famous Smackdown on the Mount.

pssst. he's a troll.


Oh, I know. But that particular post was soo weak, even for him.
 
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2012-03-07 09:54:11 AM  

BurnShrike: AbbeySomeone: DNRTFA but I'd say the tag is well deserved. I may donate to her church.

What exactly makes this lady a hero? There are thousands and thousands of people who are fighting for gay and transgender equality. One religious leader supports it and that makes her a hero?

Our definition of what makes a hero has really fallen hard.


Because she is in an industry that mostly sells bigotry, and is likely to be the become the target of it herself, that's why.
 
2012-03-07 09:58:40 AM  
I grew up Congregationalist. Like Methodists, Congregationalists tend to be laid back, all inclusive, non judgemental, warm fuzzy types. Although I no longer participate actively in churchy stuff, it farking kills me that so many bigoted, homophobic, woman hating, judgemental assholes have hijacked "Christianity" for their own purposes. THAT IS NOT WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS. I never heard hate preached in my church. Not once. I never heard that being gay was sinful. I never heard that a woman was dirty for using birth control.

Kudos to this woman for standing up and saying NO to this bullshiat. More need to do so.
 
2012-03-07 09:59:47 AM  
They decried what they said was vague language that could place an undue burden on small-business owners, promote a needlessly litigious environment and create unintended consequences for the city.

Really? It seems like to me if you just hire people based on their ability to do the job, instead of being worried all the time about if they look like a woman but really have a penis, or are having sex with someone of the same gender, that would be much less stressful and time consuming, and you wouldn't have to worry about lawsuits.
 
2012-03-07 10:07:23 AM  

EnviroDude: I would hope she has as much concern for the eternal fate of the souls in her Parish as she does for the rights of those she was testifying for.


Are you ever not a dick?
 
2012-03-07 10:26:08 AM  
Omaha, what a dismal city. I went there for software training once. A hotel next to "Boy's Town". I didn't even want to know what that was. So once I settled in I immediately tried to find a package store. Drove into the city, past the Mutual of Omaha building. Nothing. Not a liquor store in sight. Turns out, the grocery store across from my hotel had full liquor. I didn't even know they could serve liquor in a grocery. This was like a decade ago. Omaha also has the best steakhouse I've ever been to. So that place is alright.

Krymson Tyde: EnviroDude: I would hope she has as much concern for the eternal fate of the souls in her Parish as she does for the rights of those she was testifying for.

Are you ever not a dick?


Yeah, he's a retard.
 
2012-03-07 10:26:22 AM  

Krymson Tyde: EnviroDude: I would hope she has as much concern for the eternal fate of the souls in her Parish as she does for the rights of those she was testifying for.

Are you ever not a dick?


Not that I am aware of.
 
2012-03-07 10:41:40 AM  
The Methodists are pretty cool. They've got the rainbow flags, female ministers etc etc.

That being said, they are considered heathens by the Evangelicals.

They aren't "born again" so they don't "count" to these people.
 
2012-03-07 11:08:12 AM  

what_now: The Methodists are pretty cool. They've got the rainbow flags, female ministers etc etc.

That being said, they are considered heathens by the Evangelicals.

They aren't "born again" so they don't "count" to these people.


I know by Evangelical, you mean Fundies. There are progressive Evangelicals--the word is just Greek for "Good News". We Evangelical Lutherans (ELCA) are pretty progressive and we like the Methodists. The Missouri Synod Lutheran faction, on the other hand, are the crazy nutjobs.
 
2012-03-07 11:23:09 AM  

brigid_fitch: We Evangelical Lutherans (ELCA) are pretty progressive and we like the Methodists. The Missouri Synod Lutheran faction, on the other hand, are the crazy nutjobs.


But are you Missouri Synod Lutheran, reformation of 1879, or Missouri Synod Lutheran, reformation of 1915?
 
2012-03-07 11:26:00 AM  

what_now: The Methodists are pretty cool. They've got the rainbow flags, female ministers etc etc.

That being said, they are considered heathens by the Evangelicals.

They aren't "born again" so they don't "count" to these people.


That's ok. We still have our old-school militant wing that like to go out and beat the crap out of undesirable people like company town barons, wife-beaters, slavers, and other folks who oppressed God's children.

Consider John Chivington (new window), who told a group of pro-slavery Baptists after busting up their bar set up in a church, "By the grace of God and these two revolvers, I am going to preach here today."

Course, after fighting for the Union because of his abolitionist views, he goes off to kill a bunch of Indians, but hey.
 
2012-03-07 11:27:00 AM  

BKITU: brigid_fitch: We Evangelical Lutherans (ELCA) are pretty progressive and we like the Methodists. The Missouri Synod Lutheran faction, on the other hand, are the crazy nutjobs.

But are you Missouri Synod Lutheran, reformation of 1879, or Missouri Synod Lutheran, reformation of 1915?


Don't push her off the roof, man!

/heretic
 
2012-03-07 11:40:03 AM  

namegoeshere: BKITU: brigid_fitch: We Evangelical Lutherans (ELCA) are pretty progressive and we like the Methodists. The Missouri Synod Lutheran faction, on the other hand, are the crazy nutjobs.

But are you Missouri Synod Lutheran, reformation of 1879, or Missouri Synod Lutheran, reformation of 1915?

Don't push her off the roof, man!

/heretic


Die, heretic! *push*

/God how I love Steven Wright. :)
 
2012-03-07 11:44:53 AM  

Diogenes: EnviroDude: I would hope she has as much concern for the eternal fate of the souls in her Parish as she does for the rights of those she was testifying for.

Because Jesus was all about the gay bashing and discrimination. He expressed those values in his famous Smackdown on the Mount.


I lol'd

/and I enjoyed it
 
2012-03-07 11:52:59 AM  

BurnShrike: So she's a religious leader who isn't a bigot trying to control other people's genitalia. That makes her a hero?


The Catholics HAVE set the bar rather low, but yes.
 
2012-03-07 11:53:16 AM  
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...Yep.
 
2012-03-07 11:55:34 AM  
Sit down, woman.
 
2012-03-07 11:56:15 AM  
Pfft, Methodists. Might as well be witch doctors.
 
2012-03-07 11:56:47 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Are you ever not a dick?


Once upon a time there were three billy goats, who were to go up to the hillside to make themselves fat, and the name of all three was "Gruff."

On the way up was a bridge over a cascading stream they had to cross; and under the bridge lived EnviroDude, with eyes as big as saucers, and a nose as long as a poker.
 
2012-03-07 11:58:50 AM  

EnviroDude: I would hope she has as much concern for the eternal fate of the souls in her Parish as she does for the rights of those she was testifying for.


Get thee behind me, Satan.
 
2012-03-07 11:59:15 AM  
Look, it's a decent person in a position of authority trying to get people to act right to each other getting some press.

Why can't this happen more often?
 
2012-03-07 11:59:27 AM  

FlashHarry: are you the minister of a major church in a red state criticizing your fellow clergy for their hypocrisy regarding an issue that is extremely contentious and on which you have taken the unpopular but morally correct side? yes? then here you go: img1.fark.net


This. It's never easy to go against the grain. I'd call doing so for the right reasons heroic.

That said, Methodists are up there with Episcopalians and several flavors of Lutheran in terms of mainline Protestants who aren't bigoted. Some of the most thoughtful, open-minded, compassionate Christians I know are Methodist ministers.
 
2012-03-07 11:59:53 AM  
Religious believers are mostly horrible people who would rape orphans in a second if not for the fear of damnation.

I don't need a sky fairy to tell me not to be a homocidal maniac.
 
2012-03-07 12:00:14 PM  
That nice and all, but it doesn't change that the guiding text of her religion instructs people to kill gay men.

All these branches of chrisitanity define themselves through which parts of their holy text they ignore.
 
2012-03-07 12:02:16 PM  
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2012-03-07 12:02:17 PM  
Waaaaaiiittt wait wait....

You mean Jesus gave us a message of tolerance, forgiveness, understanding and moderation in all things of life?

Huh????
 
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