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(ESPN)   For the first time since 1946, Harvard University nets a March Madness berth   ( espn.go.com) divider line
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2012-03-07 07:30:24 AM  
LINSANITY!
 
2012-03-07 07:36:14 AM  
That Tommy Amaker can coach!
 
2012-03-07 07:45:23 AM  
Illegitimum non carborundum!
 
2012-03-07 07:45:52 AM  
Poor Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Already only the 3rd-biggest Harvard-related sports story of the year.
 
2012-03-07 08:02:14 AM  
Now we just have to hold our breath for Northwestern (new window) to make it.
 
2012-03-07 08:03:18 AM  
You can tell subby is from Harvard - got it right in the headline - "berth" instead of "birth."
 
2012-03-07 08:08:17 AM  
As a Columbia University alumnus whose team was 6th in the Ivy League this year, all I can say is Go Crimson, make us proud!
 
2012-03-07 08:16:20 AM  
Grey Poupon for everyone!
 
2012-03-07 08:17:52 AM  
Condaleeza Rice has done a nice job with that team.
 
2012-03-07 08:21:53 AM  
The coach is from Duke.

Who suck.
 
2012-03-07 08:22:27 AM  
My only hope is my Amaker autographed basketball goes up in value to more than the price of the basketball.

At least it was for charity.
 
2012-03-07 08:26:12 AM  

DrBear: You can tell subby is from Harvard - got it right in the headline - "berth" instead of "birth."


Considering just how unlikely this is, though, I'm still demanding a long form berth certificate.
 
2012-03-07 08:52:06 AM  

mainstreet62: As a Columbia University alumnus whose team was 6th in the Ivy League this year, all I can say is Go Crimson, make us proud!


School and year?

/F.U. SEAS '98
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-03-07 08:52:58 AM  
Seven different people spammed me with the same link.
 
2012-03-07 09:02:10 AM  
No Tom Lerher? Shame, Farkers, shame.
 
2012-03-07 09:11:21 AM  
Did the Ivy League push its schedule back this year? In previous seasons I remember commentators mentioning the Ivy champion was usually the first to punch their ticket because their regular season wrapped up before any of the conference tourneys started.
 
2012-03-07 09:13:58 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: mainstreet62: As a Columbia University alumnus whose team was 6th in the Ivy League this year, all I can say is Go Crimson, make us proud!

School and year?

/F.U. SEAS '98


Does that include the gtfo ocean?
 
2012-03-07 09:27:20 AM  
i36.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-07 09:30:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Did the Ivy League push its schedule back this year? In previous seasons I remember commentators mentioning the Ivy champion was usually the first to punch their ticket because their regular season wrapped up before any of the conference tourneys started.


Not sure if they pushed it back, but as of last night, Penn could have tied Harvard at the top of the conference and forced a one game playoff. Could be that in previous years the winner was mathematically determined a week or more before the end of the season.
 
2012-03-07 09:32:30 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Did the Ivy League push its schedule back this year? In previous seasons I remember commentators mentioning the Ivy champion was usually the first to punch their ticket because their regular season wrapped up before any of the conference tourneys started.


The only thing I can think of is that the conference title went down to the wire.

/enjoy your 17th seed against the Lakers, Crimson
 
2012-03-07 09:33:41 AM  
Veritas!
Veritas!
Veritas!
 
2012-03-07 09:46:03 AM  
So, they're more successful after Lin leaves? Classic Ewing Theory.
 
2012-03-07 09:52:07 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Poor Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Already only the 3rd-biggest Harvard-related sports story of the year.


Well, to be fair, he hasn't had a season yet. Free of injury, hopefully a good FA period and draft... Who knows?

/Just got my season tickets
//Go Bills!
 
2012-03-07 09:58:24 AM  
Meanwhile, Valpo got screwed out of a bid. Granted it's win and you're in, but they are forced to beat a team they've already beaten twice in the conference tournament final just to get a berth. So league expansion did nothing but reward more mediocre teams (NOTE: Not ripping on Detroit), the ones that the committee can subjectively hand pick. We expanded to include more at-large teams rather than hand out bids to regular season conference champs. Ridiculous.

That said, it's obvious that the most recent expansion was a baby step. The next step will be 72 teams, and probably then to 80. Which is all fine and dandy if they give bids out to these teams that win their conference.

Now somebody will come back and say something about the MEAC or SWAC getting two teams in the tournament... This doesn't bother me. They're just sacrificial lambs anyway, and generally speaking aren't these the schools that actually need the revenue?
 
2012-03-07 10:02:39 AM  

jbc: Seven different people spammed me with the same link.


LINKSANITY!
 
2012-03-07 10:07:58 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: Meanwhile, Valpo got screwed out of a bid. Granted it's win and you're in, but they are forced to beat a team they've already beaten twice in the conference tournament final just to get a berth.


Basically if you're a mid-major, you have two choices: No conference tourney (one team at most is going to make it, pretty much no chance of winning).

Or conference tourney: at least one team is going to make it, and if a really strong team gets upset and a mediocre team wins the tourney, you can get two teams in the tourney.

From the conference perspective, you make money on the tournament and you have a better chance of landing more teams in the field of 68 (is it 68 now? Let's just go to 128 and make everyone play another round). So that's why you do it.

Some teams get screwed. That's how tournaments work. You better not be one of those people that whines about how FBS needs a playoff. The 9-7 Giants just won the Super Bowl. They still have a worse record than several NFL teams last season, yet they're the champs. If you think Valpo got screwed, you should think all those teams got screwed, too.
 
2012-03-07 10:14:40 AM  
Hmm nnnyesss how delightful

i.imgur.com
 
2012-03-07 10:20:14 AM  

IAmRight:If you think Valpo got screwed, you should think all those teams got screwed, too.

I just thought Valpo was a fair example. There will be countless other examples by Sunday afternoon. I can't use Iona, because Iona had their chances to score that signature win and get the at-large. And they still very well may be this year's VCU play-in team, which will once again make Bilas' head asplode.

IAmRight: You better not be one of those people that whines about how FBS needs a playoff.


Lord no. I'd as soon go back to letting the AP declare the champs. We pretty much did that this year.

/Not trying to open up that can of worms, honest
 
2012-03-07 10:27:43 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: mainstreet62: As a Columbia University alumnus whose team was 6th in the Ivy League this year, all I can say is Go Crimson, make us proud!

School and year?

/F.U. SEAS '98


SEAS 2001
 
2012-03-07 10:46:00 AM  

funk_soul_bubby: There will be countless other examples by Sunday afternoon.


Of course there will. That's part of the madness. College basketball doesn't give a sh*t about having the best team win the title, they just want it exciting! And yet people think it's the best way to decide.

/btw, for the fans of FCS, just a couple years after they expanded their playoffs to 20 teams (used to be 16), now they're in talks about expanding it to 24 teams
//expansion is dumb, and it WILL happen when FBS gets a playoff (note I said when, not if)
 
2012-03-07 10:54:26 AM  
The traditional Harvard losing cheer:

That's all right! That's okay! You're going to work for us someday!
 
2012-03-07 11:02:35 AM  
Linner Linner Chicken Linner!
 
2012-03-07 11:20:14 AM  

wowzer97pooh: The traditional Harvard losing cheer:

That's all right! That's okay! You're going to work for us someday!


Actually, at a Cornell Harvard hockey game this season, the only cheer the Harvard fans could muster up was "suck it Red!"

It was pretty embarrassing for them.
 
2012-03-07 11:49:42 AM  
Fight fiercely, harvard,

Fight, fight, fight!

Demonstrate to them our skill.

Albeit they possess the might,

Nonetheless we have the will.

How we shall celebrate our victory,

We shall invite the whole team up for tea

(how jolly!)

Hurl that spheroid down the field, and

Fight, fight, fight!


Fight fiercely, harvard,

Fight, fight, fight!

Impress them with our prowess, do!

Oh, fellows, do not let the crimson down,

Be of stout heart and thru.

Come on, chaps, fight for harvard's glorious name,

Won't it be peachy if we win the game?
(oh, goody!)

Let's try not to injure them, but

Fight, fight, fight!

And do fight fiercely!

Fight, fight, fight!

/obligatory
 
2012-03-07 01:19:31 PM  
I know the 'experts' are saying it's a weak bubble, but if USC and vcu made it last year, there's no real shock if northwestern, Texas or Xavier makes it this year.
 
2012-03-07 01:24:55 PM  

Dafatone: wowzer97pooh: The traditional Harvard losing cheer:

That's all right! That's okay! You're going to work for us someday!

Actually, at a Cornell Harvard hockey game this season, the only cheer the Harvard fans could muster up was "suck it Red!"

It was pretty embarrassing for them.


I always thought the standard cheer against Cornell was "Safe-ty School! Safe-ty School!"

/Went to Cornell
//Totally true
 
2012-03-07 02:22:12 PM  

FireZs: Dafatone: wowzer97pooh: The traditional Harvard losing cheer:

That's all right! That's okay! You're going to work for us someday!

Actually, at a Cornell Harvard hockey game this season, the only cheer the Harvard fans could muster up was "suck it Red!"

It was pretty embarrassing for them.

I always thought the standard cheer against Cornell was "Safe-ty School! Safe-ty School!"

/Went to Cornell
//Totally true


Just play "Jump" against Cornell.
 
2012-03-07 02:29:41 PM  
every conference in div 1 has a tournament with the winner receiving and automatic bid, except the ivy league. ivy league has regular season winner get in.

if you are saying valpo got screwed, you don't understand how the process works.

Valparaiso 20-10 overall, 86th RPI and 150 SOS. they played one team with an RPI less than 60. that was ohio state. osu won 80-47.


68 teams make it to the big dance. it doesn't necessarily mean the top 68 teams get in. davidson and south dakota st would be in the same boat as valpo had they lost their conference tournaments.
 
2012-03-07 02:51:39 PM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: every conference in div 1 has a tournament with the winner receiving and automatic bid, except the ivy league. ivy league has regular season winner get in.

if you are saying valpo got screwed, you don't understand how the process works.

Valparaiso 20-10 overall, 86th RPI and 150 SOS. they played one team with an RPI less than 60. that was ohio state. osu won 80-47.


68 teams make it to the big dance. it doesn't necessarily mean the top 68 teams get in. davidson and south dakota st would be in the same boat as valpo had they lost their conference tournaments.


He's just arguing that if they had expanded to 96 teams instead of 68 last year, they'd be in.
At least I think that's his argument. Because there are a lot more deserving teams than Valpo this year. It's not like the Horizon was a 2 bid league like it has been in years past.
 
2012-03-07 02:56:58 PM  

Omnivorous: Now we just have to hold our breath for Northwestern to make it.


C'mon Cats!
 
2012-03-07 03:04:07 PM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: if you are saying valpo got screwed, you don't understand how the process works.


merkey88: He's just arguing that if they had expanded to 96 teams instead of 68 last year, they'd be in.
At least I think that's his argument. Because there are a lot more deserving teams than Valpo this year. It's not like the Horizon was a 2 bid league like it has been in years past.


I'm saying expansion should have been done to include regular season conference champs, which Valpo was for the Horizon League. Not that their profile was bid-worthy.
 
2012-03-07 03:21:34 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: I'm saying expansion should have been done to include regular season conference champs, which Valpo was for the Horizon League.



there are 34 conferences. if they took regular season champs and conf tournament champs, by chance you could have 67 teams in right there. i know it is quite possible that the reg season and conf tourny champs could be the same. you have to look at the what if factor.

then how many at large bids would you allow?
 
2012-03-07 03:58:02 PM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: then how many at large bids would you allow?


I don't know what the right number is, maybe it's 128 like IAmRight says so there's a nice, neat field. Or maybe it's something like 92 with 16 play-in games (if you want to call them that), 4 per region. It's just unfortunate that a regular season conference champ doesn't get a bid. Like you said, not a problem for the major conferences. That's the issue... They're always gonna get their regular season champ in. All they're playing for is seeding.

Actually maybe with the overlap of conference winners and conference tournament winners you would be fine with 60+16,76. You could have the games on Tuesday and Wednesday like the 60+8 option they have now but just add an afternoon frame each day.
 
2012-03-07 04:22:44 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: What_Would_Jimi_Do: if you are saying valpo got screwed, you don't understand how the process works.

merkey88: He's just arguing that if they had expanded to 96 teams instead of 68 last year, they'd be in.
At least I think that's his argument. Because there are a lot more deserving teams than Valpo this year. It's not like the Horizon was a 2 bid league like it has been in years past.

I'm saying expansion should have been done to include regular season conference champs, which Valpo was for the Horizon League. Not that their profile was bid-worthy.


The conference gets to pick to send the regular season or tourney champ. Your beef is not with the NCAA on this one, but with the individual conference.
 
2012-03-07 04:37:58 PM  

bacongood: The conference gets to pick to send the regular season or tourney champ. Your beef is not with the NCAA on this one, but with the individual conference.


Why don't they do what they do in the champions league and assign berths based on a conference coefficient, derived from performance in previous seasons (and have prelim play-in rounds for the low-coeff conferences)? This subjective "at-large" process is pretty BS.
 
2012-03-07 04:38:11 PM  

bacongood: The conference gets to pick to send the regular season or tourney champ. Your beef is not with the NCAA on this one, but with the individual conference.


Actually I was just talking with a coworker about this because I wasn't certain if it was mandated by the NCAA that if you have a conference tournament then that winner is your automatic qualifier. (Though it would be silly to have a conference tournament for no reason if your regular season champ was the AQ already.) So with Valpo's case still being the example, most definitely the onus is on them to win that tournament on their home court if they want in. So my bad on that. But NCAA or conference decision notwithstanding, I would like to see expansion include those regular season teams so that there would be more inclusion.

Kind of like a fantasy football league when you pay out to both the regular season and the playoff champ.
 
2012-03-07 05:50:24 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FireZs: Dafatone: wowzer97pooh: The traditional Harvard losing cheer:

That's all right! That's okay! You're going to work for us someday!

Actually, at a Cornell Harvard hockey game this season, the only cheer the Harvard fans could muster up was "suck it Red!"

It was pretty embarrassing for them.

I always thought the standard cheer against Cornell was "Safe-ty School! Safe-ty School!"

/Went to Cornell
//Totally true

Just play "Jump" against Cornell.


As an NYU alum that would be hypocritical. Then again, one of our teams playing against a D1 team would be weird. As would people caring about our sports teams at all.
 
2012-03-07 05:51:00 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: What_Would_Jimi_Do: then how many at large bids would you allow?

I don't know what the right number is, maybe it's 128 like IAmRight says so there's a nice, neat field. Or maybe it's something like 92 with 16 play-in games (if you want to call them that), 4 per region. It's just unfortunate that a regular season conference champ doesn't get a bid. Like you said, not a problem for the major conferences. That's the issue... They're always gonna get their regular season champ in. All they're playing for is seeding.

Actually maybe with the overlap of conference winners and conference tournament winners you would be fine with 60+16,76. You could have the games on Tuesday and Wednesday like the 60+8 option they have now but just add an afternoon frame each day.


No guarantee the PAC gets it's regular season champion into the tourney
 
2012-03-07 08:31:17 PM  

cjmook21: Linner Linner Chickenlin Linner!


FTFL
 
2012-03-07 09:11:55 PM  
Well, someone from the Ivy League had to get in, right?
 
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