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2012-03-06 07:39:42 PM
The best $10 wine I've ever come across was a 2007 Castle Rock Pinot Noir. Bought it at Trader Joe's on the recommendation of a friend that worked at a winery in the Burgundy region of France.
 
2012-03-06 07:39:54 PM
Anybody that can't tell the difference between a $15 bottle and Chateau Margaux is bat shiat crazy!
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2012-03-06 07:42:12 PM
Nuances? Yeah, most people cannot tell the difference between a $15 and $150 bottle of wine.
Quality? Yeah, most people CAN tell the difference between an average quality bottle of wine and a great quality of wine.

That being said, cost is NOT an absolute indicator of quality. Most expensive bottles of wine, however, are generally of good quality because it is a matter of supply and demand. When there is a good vintage the price of those bottles will go up as time goes by as more and more bottles are consumed. You normally do not see a $150 bottle of wine that is only a year old. It is usually for wines that are at least several years old.

And with that being said, I have had many a great bottle of wine that cost $10-20 a bottle!

Drink what you want to drink, people, and be happy. If you enjoy (and are able to afford) Domaine Alain Burguet Chambertin Clos de Beze 2006 at $275 a bottle then good for you, and would you care to share it with me? If you enjoy Castello di Gabbiano Chianti 2010 at $10 a bottle then good for you, and would you care to share it with me?
 
2012-03-06 07:42:13 PM
tl dr can someone just Reader's Digest the Best of the cheapest wines for $15 and under? Really, give me your best n cheapest and I'll green u for it.
 
2012-03-06 07:43:17 PM

Wingchild: neetro: I've never tried a wine that I liked, and I've never tried a beer I didn't.

How odd. People are usually divided on whether or not they like hoppy beers.


When I first started drinking I didn't care for anything too dark and didn't care for IPA's or Seasonals, but I still drank them. Now I prefer darker beers. Not a fan of seasonals like pumpkin and citrus, but I never turn down a free beer and I'll drink any of them. Two of my favorites are PBR and Guinness. Just depends on how I feel.
 
2012-03-06 07:43:28 PM

NowhereMon: Most people can't even tell the difference between white and red wine if they are blind folded.


Warm? Red.
Cold? White.

:-D
 
2012-03-06 07:43:31 PM

WaltzingMathilda: that definitely sounds like a lot of fun for people passionate about wine. i am not, so luckily i fall into the category of wanting to have a few standby affordable wines that are delicious for dinners, etc. i don't desire too much variety so i don't have to spend money searching for others.


Nor am I. I am getting into scotch, though!

When I am going to a dinner party, I rely on the Bevmo labels that tell you what Wine Enthusiast score each bottle got and divide that by the price. That simple formula is what tells me which wine we'll be drinking at dinner :-)
 
2012-03-06 07:45:31 PM
Beer is for the lower classes.
 
2012-03-06 07:45:55 PM

FarkinHostile: Demetrius: My wine cellar, let me show it to you...



Nice! Now, my turn:

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Address not in profile. Damn. Why are you hiding all that glorious goodness from the rest of us?
 
2012-03-06 07:47:14 PM
Fat bastard is my cheap, delicious wine of choice. Fat Bastard (new window). The pinot noir specifically, though I've liked the others that I've tried.

I have been able to taste differences in wines, though how much of that is real and how much is my imagination... who knows. Of the few expensive wines I've had (not often), I've had good and bad, but nothing notably different enough that I felt it was worth the extra cost. I'm not denying that there are people that can taste the nuances and subtle differences, for whom the more expensive wines are worth it, but I'm not one of those people. Which is good, I suppose, because I wouldn't be able to afford regularly drinking $100+ bottles.
 
2012-03-06 07:47:38 PM

markie_farkie: For the most part, there is significant difference between a $10 and $40 bottle of wine.

Anything over that, you're paying for the right to brag that you drank a $150 bottle..


Markie Farkie is partially right. There is a significant difference between a $10 and $80 bottle of wine, but a $150 bottle of a 1990 Amarone is so amazing that I actually save up my money every year for one bottle for hubs' birthday. It is just that good. It used to be that the Chateaux wines from France could go for hundreds of dollars but you'll do just as well with a nice Cab from the Central Coast of California with a price tag of maybe $60 (as a splurge), depending on the vintage.

But the Amarones...OMG to die for. Really.
 
2012-03-06 07:47:53 PM

bighairyguy: But can they tell the difference between a wine with an average size bulldozer on the label and one with a 100,000 lb bulldozer on the label?


Anybody can taste the difference--the 100,000# brand is earthier, with more metallic notes, and a distinct diesel aftertaste.

Seriously, what's even more bogus than wine tasting is the tobacco industry. Other than regular vs. menthol or lights vs. full-flavor, there isn't much difference in cigarettes, yet billions are spent by the tobacco pushers to fool people into thinking that there's major lifestyle differences between the different brands. BTW, at one time in the 40s, Marlboro was considered a woman's brand and even had red tips to cover up lipstick stains. Then Phillip Morris decided to push Marlboro as a man's cigarette, not by changing the formulation, but by putting cowboys in their ads...

/it's all spin control, folks
//when a Jackson Pollock splatter picture sells for $10,000,000, maybe there's $1 worth of artistic merit, and maybe $9,999,999 speculated on the Greater Fool Theory
 
2012-03-06 07:48:17 PM

bighairyguy: the label?


I was in a grocery store years ago, and an older couple was shopping for wine. The wife picked up one bottle, proclaimed "Ooooh this must be good, it has a beautiful label". The husband picked up one three sections down, and said "Yeah, but this one is 14% instead of 9%" and put it in the cart.
 
2012-03-06 07:48:39 PM

James F. Campbell: Beer is for the lower classes.


You get more action at the bottom of the pile.
 
2012-03-06 07:49:30 PM

WorldKnowledge: Anybody that can't tell the difference between a $15 bottle and Chateau Margaux is bat shiat crazy!
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Or simply doesn't have the experience or information to know what to be looking for. And people who are used to immediate drinking pleasure of a 10$ malbec aren't going to be won over by a similarly young caliber Bordeaux.
 
2012-03-06 07:49:56 PM

unyon: Christ, I can tell that giving some of you good wine would be like feeding strawberries to pigs.


Pig here, raising hand. 2 pack a day smoker for 40 years,I can barely tell the diff between a $5.00 bottle and a $15.00 bottle. Too much more is wasted on me.
 
2012-03-06 07:51:58 PM

Psycat: //when a Jackson Pollock splatter picture sells for $10,000,000, maybe there's $1 worth of artistic merit, and maybe $9,999,999 speculated on the Greater Fool Theory


I just GISed "Jackson Pollock" and saw a bunch of my 2nd grade doodles. Which is weird, I was reported to the principle for those, I thought nobody would ever find them.
 
2012-03-06 07:56:05 PM
"wine experts" are (generally) attention whores, Not always, but generally.

/ well, maybe always
 
2012-03-06 07:56:08 PM

James F. Campbell: Beer is for the lower classes.


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2012-03-06 07:56:39 PM

Mrs. Beasley: markie_farkie: For the most part, there is significant difference between a $10 and $40 bottle of wine.

Anything over that, you're paying for the right to brag that you drank a $150 bottle..

Markie Farkie is partially right. There is a significant difference between a $10 and $80 bottle of wine, but a $150 bottle of a 1990 Amarone is so amazing that I actually save up my money every year for one bottle for hubs' birthday. It is just that good. It used to be that the Chateaux wines from France could go for hundreds of dollars but you'll do just as well with a nice Cab from the Central Coast of California with a price tag of maybe $60 (as a splurge), depending on the vintage.

But the Amarones...OMG to die for. Really.


I do love Amarone, and really Valpolicellas in general. Have you ever had a recioto? And Central Coast Cabs tend to be wonderful...it's a great region for producing top notch cab sauv. I'll take them, price wise, over Bordeauxs most any day...

now, I'll take a Wilammette Valley pinot over aburgundy price and quality-wise any day.
 
2012-03-06 07:56:55 PM
I must be one of those exceptional people...

This wine tastes like piss;
this other wine tastes like vinegar.
 
2012-03-06 08:02:34 PM
Cat piss is actually a common aroma profile of sauvignon blanc, particularly Loire Valley (sancerre), but also New Zealand. The minerality of Chablis allows it to come through a bit in the wine there also (Chardonnay)
 
2012-03-06 08:04:50 PM

SuperNinjaToad: rkiller1: I call bullshait. A few months ago, a group of us dads conducted a blind taste test for a dozen red wines. Result: we ranked them EXACTLY in price order. Yes, most expensive was ranked the best.
/A neighbor shared a $1,200 bottle of wine during our last boys-night-out poker game. It was off-the-charts spectacular.
you gud d@mnn 1 percenters!!!!!
:)


Cuban cigars, top-shelf tequilla, Remy Martin, so an emphatic YES, guilty as-charged!
/You'd recognize three of them from pro sports
//Wives excluded
 
2012-03-06 08:05:46 PM
I prefer Ouljlih over Qxcnwq0 but thats only on thursdays. on fridays, if you have anything but Aasccawcv you are a cretin and only fit for Boones Farm.

see i can be b.s. obscure too!
 
2012-03-06 08:06:04 PM
Who pays $15 for wine? Gosh, let me polish my monocle.
 
2012-03-06 08:06:26 PM

ChuDogg: I just GISed "Jackson Pollock" and saw a bunch of my 2nd grade doodles. Which is weird, I was reported to the principle for those, I thought nobody would ever find them.


I'm a professional artist, so I have a 'super-smell' ability to detect even the faintest whiff of bullshiat. There's absolutely no merit to Pollock's crappola whatsoever--his fame has more to do with Peggy Guggenheim's vanity than any actual ability on his part. Hell, there's a famous Norman Rockwell Saturday Evening Post cover from the 50s of a guy at a museum looking at a Pollock-esque splatter painting, and I'd wager that Rockwell out-splattered Pollock by a wide margin.

What makes me laugh is how pretentious art snobs defend Pollock. They claim that he's the first person to come up with the idea of splattering paint on a canvas. Hell, I'll bet there's been dozens or even hundreds of Dadaists who came up with the bright idea of framing their drop cloths. Another silly claim is that scientists have analyzed his paintings (!) and found that the splatters follow a distinct Lissajous pattern. I seriously doubt that Pollock was trying to put trig functions in his paintings--a Lissajous figure is a pattern that pretty much any uninspired, alcoholic boor is going to fall into when splattering paint on a canvas.

I live in an artist cooperative and one thing I like to tell visitors is this: You'll see plenty of people in my neighborhood who wear goatees and berets and hang out in coffee shops discussing French existentialistic literature--the artists are the people who DON'T look like that. Seriously, I can't stand cheese or wine (whine?), and the people who find metaphysical profundities in a pile of junk spray-painted black always crack me up.

Wine snobbery, art snobbery, it's all the same vanity--except that us pot snobs are actually too damned hip for this planet. You ever look at portraits from the Elizabethan period where the various noblemen and women are wearing one of those ridiculous ruffled collars--and usually have a pained expression? There's nothing particularly appealing about a ruffled collar--it's just a way for an aristocrat to say "I can waste 3 hours every day having my servants dress me"...

/but I digress
 
2012-03-06 08:07:07 PM
If Rex Goliath Merlot is wrong I don't want to be right.

See also: Mommy's Timeout. I also had a delicious white from somewhere in the Fingerlakes but i can't remember the name of it for the life of me.
 
2012-03-06 08:09:32 PM
I am going to go with the diminishing returns theory as well. I've had some really bottles of $10 wine I really liked. I've had $100 wine I really liked. I've had wine in each category I didn't like. I find that generally I get fewer wines with obnoxious qualities the more expensive they get. Though I generally haven't seen bad qualities in most wines much more than $40 per bottle. I still run into wines in price points more expensive than that which I don't like but it is a taste issue more than a product of poor wine making generally.

I also find most wholesale winery mass consumption wines perfectly drinkable and decent. I like them and find them fine for drinking on a day to day basis. They are made to have a certain taste and be generally inoffensive. If I am paying attention I can generally tell them apart based on a blind tasting from a more expensive small batch vintage, that said I won't generally be able to tell you a good $20 bottle from a good $40 bottle. With me give me 20 bottles randomly from a wineshop shelf and I will find a few wines I don't like and a few wines that are just bad, and maybe a couple that fit into both categories. Typically an expert will agree with me on the wines that are bad and they generally fit into less expensive price points.


A cheap wine isn't necessarily a bad wine, an expensive wine won't always have a flavor a given person likes. Up to about $50 from smaller vineyards and wineries you can run across poorly made wines pretty easily, taste tells. You can have and find plenty of good wines in that under $50 category. I also find a bunch in the under $20, I generally spend about $12 per bottle. When ever I try something new I am prepared to call it a bad bottle. Generally its drinkable often its pretty good. occasionally I get something horrible. Its not really a problem with wine or with people. Many people in the US aren't regular wine drinkers. Especially when it comes to complex or subtle wines. to expect people to take and be able to discern completely new tastes is fairly unreasonable. Also add in that typically in a taste test for comparing a low cost wine to a higher cost the person setting up the test is fairly knowledgeable and they don't . select a cheap wine with the typical hallmarks of a cheap wine, single noted, overly fruity, overly sweat or with a strong alcohol taste, but generally one of the better wines at that price point and you get weird results.I don't blame either the consumer or the person setting up the test. If someone knowledgeable about wines tastes it and goes hey this tastes cheap why try to compare it to a better wine?
 
2012-03-06 08:11:45 PM

KoalaFace: Mrs. Beasley: markie_farkie: For the most part, there is significant difference between a $10 and $40 bottle of wine.

Anything over that, you're paying for the right to brag that you drank a $150 bottle..

Markie Farkie is partially right. There is a significant difference between a $10 and $80 bottle of wine, but a $150 bottle of a 1990 Amarone is so amazing that I actually save up my money every year for one bottle for hubs' birthday. It is just that good. It used to be that the Chateaux wines from France could go for hundreds of dollars but you'll do just as well with a nice Cab from the Central Coast of California with a price tag of maybe $60 (as a splurge), depending on the vintage.

But the Amarones...OMG to die for. Really.

I do love Amarone, and really Valpolicellas in general. Have you ever had a recioto? And Central Coast Cabs tend to be wonderful...it's a great region for producing top notch cab sauv. I'll take them, price wise, over Bordeauxs most any day...

now, I'll take a Wilammette Valley pinot over aburgundy price and quality-wise any day.


For both of you: try out wines from Ridge in Santa Cruz. Their cab/bordeoux blend from the Montebello vineyard is pricey, but really worth it.

/runs a wine bar
//love my job
 
2012-03-06 08:14:30 PM

rubi_con_man: ggecko: I doubt many will get this reference:

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That's Donald Pleasance in an old perry mason episode, isn't it ?

/nothing is obscure on fark.


Columbo
 
2012-03-06 08:16:12 PM
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2012-03-06 08:16:45 PM

Rush Mountmore: KoalaFace: Mrs. Beasley: markie_farkie: For the most part, there is significant difference between a $10 and $40 bottle of wine.

Anything over that, you're paying for the right to brag that you drank a $150 bottle..

Markie Farkie is partially right. There is a significant difference between a $10 and $80 bottle of wine, but a $150 bottle of a 1990 Amarone is so amazing that I actually save up my money every year for one bottle for hubs' birthday. It is just that good. It used to be that the Chateaux wines from France could go for hundreds of dollars but you'll do just as well with a nice Cab from the Central Coast of California with a price tag of maybe $60 (as a splurge), depending on the vintage.

But the Amarones...OMG to die for. Really.

I do love Amarone, and really Valpolicellas in general. Have you ever had a recioto? And Central Coast Cabs tend to be wonderful...it's a great region for producing top notch cab sauv. I'll take them, price wise, over Bordeauxs most any day...

now, I'll take a Wilammette Valley pinot over aburgundy price and quality-wise any day.

For both of you: try out wines from Ridge in Santa Cruz. Their cab/bordeoux blend from the Montebello vineyard is pricey, but really worth it.

/runs a wine bar
//love my job


well then you should check out my partner's book. great reference.Beverage Manager's Guide to Wines, Beers, and Spirits (new window)

And who doesn't love working with wine? I'm a tasting host for a large NZ producer, teach courses, do podcasts, and am working on a new book with my partner also...it's awesome. I cant imagine my life without wine.
 
2012-03-06 08:17:04 PM
*Bordeaux
 
2012-03-06 08:17:14 PM

bboy: I'm sort of getting bored with these Jillette/Freakonomics style "let's burst their bubble" type things.


Hush, now. The last thing we want is the 99% complaining about wine prices and how they can taste the difference. If we get them to accept mediocre as being awesomiocre, we all win, and avoid the bloodshed prophesied in the 2012 Wine Riots.
 
2012-03-06 08:20:16 PM

KoalaFace: Rush Mountmore: KoalaFace: Mrs. Beasley: markie_farkie: For the most part, there is significant difference between a $10 and $40 bottle of wine.

Anything over that, you're paying for the right to brag that you drank a $150 bottle..

Markie Farkie is partially right. There is a significant difference between a $10 and $80 bottle of wine, but a $150 bottle of a 1990 Amarone is so amazing that I actually save up my money every year for one bottle for hubs' birthday. It is just that good. It used to be that the Chateaux wines from France could go for hundreds of dollars but you'll do just as well with a nice Cab from the Central Coast of California with a price tag of maybe $60 (as a splurge), depending on the vintage.

But the Amarones...OMG to die for. Really.

I do love Amarone, and really Valpolicellas in general. Have you ever had a recioto? And Central Coast Cabs tend to be wonderful...it's a great region for producing top notch cab sauv. I'll take them, price wise, over Bordeauxs most any day...

now, I'll take a Wilammette Valley pinot over aburgundy price and quality-wise any day.

For both of you: try out wines from Ridge in Santa Cruz. Their cab/bordeoux blend from the Montebello vineyard is pricey, but really worth it.

/runs a wine bar
//love my job

well then you should check out my partner's book. great reference.Beverage Manager's Guide to Wines, Beers, and Spirits (new window)

And who doesn't love working with wine? I'm a tasting host for a large NZ producer, teach courses, do podcasts, and am working on a new book with my partner also...it's awesome. I cant imagine my life without wine.


I'll pick it up, thanks! Looks like I can learn a thing or two from it.
 
2012-03-06 08:29:11 PM
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drinking a glass of this as we speak. decent, actually.
 
2012-03-06 08:29:44 PM

Dinobot: [img831.imageshack.us image 555x800]


biatches like decantering.
 
2012-03-06 08:29:58 PM
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/Wrong glass, sir.
 
2012-03-06 08:31:39 PM

Psycat: Wine snobbery, art snobbery, it's all the same vanity--except that us pot snobs are actually too damned hip for this planet.


I'll take you on: Jamaican red hair, thai stick, afghani kush, ak47, acapulco gold, etc x infinity = all bullshiat terms of some drug lord down the street from you cross pollinating a variety of random strains together to make something good and needed a name to sell it to suburban bros besides "this is good shiat"

You really think "afghan kush" is from afghanistan? Have you been to afghanistan? Their weed sucks. Aghans only smoke hash because smoking it raw would be like smoking dandy lions.

Or that ak47 sold in Miami is anything remotely the same strain as ak47 sold in New York?

Please, potheads can be just as drama queens as the wine snobs.
 
2012-03-06 08:34:14 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: WaltzingMathilda: that definitely sounds like a lot of fun for people passionate about wine. i am not, so luckily i fall into the category of wanting to have a few standby affordable wines that are delicious for dinners, etc. i don't desire too much variety so i don't have to spend money searching for others.

Nor am I. I am getting into scotch, though!

When I am going to a dinner party, I rely on the Bevmo labels that tell you what Wine Enthusiast score each bottle got and divide that by the price. That simple formula is what tells me which wine we'll be drinking at dinner :-)


yeah, scotch is my bailiwick. a lot more expensive than wine, but in my opinion it's worth it.
 
2012-03-06 08:35:23 PM

FlashHarry: [img4.realsimple.com image 300x357]

drinking a glass of this as we speak. decent, actually.


they're rated pretty well...I haven't tried them, but I had a "wine cube" from target that wasn't half bad for the price, and worlds away from Franzia.
 
2012-03-06 08:36:44 PM
I like wine, but I'm more of a beer supertaster...

Heard a good wine joke on NPR the other day (PHC) - went something like this:

Scientists are developing a new anti-diuretic wine specifically aimed toward older males:
it's a Pinot More.


/ba-dam-tsh
 
2012-03-06 08:41:42 PM
wine is for women, the French, and Italians
 
2012-03-06 08:44:19 PM

Diogenes: unyon: Christ, I can tell that giving some of you good wine would be like feeding strawberries to pigs.

Hmmm....strawberry flavored bacon.....


Would you serve a reisiling with that?
 
2012-03-06 08:51:07 PM
ohh.. are we posting wine cellars?

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2012-03-06 08:52:05 PM

superfudge73: Satanic_Hamster: Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeee tthhhhrrreeeeaddddd.

If you're paying more then twenty dollars a bottle, you're generally wasting your money (unless you have enough money, then whatever floats your boat). The difference in quality above that range is fairly minor.

And a lot of winer drinkers/enthusiasts/foodies are bullshiat artists on this subject. It's a $100 dollar wine, so hence they think it's awesome, even if they can't even tell the difference between it and a five buck chuck.

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You obviously don't live in earthquake country.


You read my little mind.
 
2012-03-06 08:52:54 PM
This story gets trotted out evert few months and it's complete bulshiat. If you can't tell the difference between a $10 bottle of wine and a $25 bottle of wine, you've burned out your buds with cheap whiskey and cigars a long time ago. The difference between $10 and $150 ought to rock your world... or don't drink wine.
 
2012-03-06 08:53:36 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Smeggy Smurf: Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: Pretty much all alcohol tastes like shiat.

It's funny watching you boozers argue over it.

You know how I can tell you've never had a well made apple pie moonshine?

Done right it's like drinking an apple pie. Then you try to stand up and realize that drinking that quart jar might not have been such a good idea

Just uh, hypothetically, if one were so interested, where might one find such a beverage?


I make it with commercially available everclear or 151 rum. If you want something else, I suggest you find an old Shriner and politely ask him. Corn moonshine is the usual stuff you'll find. I'd recommend that if you can, get some uncut applejack.

My latest batch used rum. 2 gallons of apple cider simmered for a couple hours with 12 cinnamon sticks. Let cool. Mix in 2 bottles of Cruzan 151 and 3/4 bottle of Hot Damn! In a quart jar put two quarter apple slices and one of the cinnamon sticks. Fill with booze. Let it sit for a week. It comes out approx 24 proof. You will fill 12 quart jars.

My first batch used half a gallon of apple juice, half a gallon of apple cider and 8 cinnamon sticks. That simmered for 4 hours in a crock pot. One cinnamon stick went into pint jars and then filled with booze. Those were left alone for a week. That batch was 31 proof. This was the better of the two batches. I can't tell you how many jars it filled since I used a couple of pint jars, an old Seagrams vodak bottle and half a dozen small sampler bottles for giving away.

I must impress upon everybody, this stuff will sneak up on you. 24 or 31 proof don't seem like much and it's not. It'll get you once you've drank an entire quart of it and find you can't stand up that well. May my dick fall off and I vote Democrat if it's not the best, most mellow drunk you'll ever experience. I highly recommend that everybody try their hand at making this stuff.

/half in the bag with this stuff already
 
2012-03-06 08:55:21 PM
I've got your exceptional hanging right here!
You snobby shiat!

Beer for the win! (wind)
 
2012-03-06 08:55:26 PM

Donnchadha: PYROY: Fact: Most people choose their wine based on how cool the label is.

Trufax. I keep meaning to try this stuff:


I've had that, I enjoyed it. Give it a whirl
 
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