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2012-03-06 02:00:16 PM  
consumerist.com
 
2012-03-06 02:09:33 PM  
For the most part, there is significant difference between a $10 and $40 bottle of wine.

Anything over that, you're paying for the right to brag that you drank a $150 bottle..
 
2012-03-06 02:16:42 PM  
sanfrancisco.grubstreet.com
 
2012-03-06 02:26:42 PM  
there is very delicious expensive wine. there is "no complaints" expensive wine. there is very not delicious expensive wine. there is very delicious cheap wine. there is "no complaints" cheap wine. there is very not delicious cheap wine.

the difference is the frequency with which a certain taste shows up in a price range. if you drink wine to catch a buzz, identify a few "no complaints" wines in the cheap category. if you drink wine because you like delicious wine and don't want to spend money, identify a couple of delicious cheap wines. if you want delicious wine and you want a variety of wines to drink, well, sometimes you're going to spend money because there just aren't a lot of delicious cheap wines. and if you fall into that last category, there's a perfectly good counterpoint to the ridiculous statement that people drink expensive wines for the sole purpose of bragging.
 
2012-03-06 02:40:28 PM  

WaltzingMathilda: f you drink wine because you like delicious wine and don't want to spend money, identify a couple of delicious cheap wines.


In my experience, these seem to sit at about the $15-20/bottle range or so.
 
2012-03-06 02:42:48 PM  
I call bullshait. A few months ago, a group of us dads conducted a blind taste test for a dozen red wines. Result: we ranked them EXACTLY in price order. Yes, most expensive was ranked the best.

/A neighbor shared a $1,200 bottle of wine during our last boys-night-out poker game. It was off-the-charts spectacular.
 
2012-03-06 02:48:04 PM  
Most people can't even tell the difference between white and red wine if they are blind folded.
 
2012-03-06 02:59:48 PM  
I'm lucky to have a wine shop a few doors down. Wife works there too (yay employee discount!). Since he knows his stuff, you basically can't go wrong there. So you can totally shop by price. The cheapest stuff is still good, because he won't stock crap.

So then it just comes down to your preferences... tanic, dry, fruity, etc.
 
2012-03-06 03:00:58 PM  

NowhereMon: Most people can't even tell the difference between white and red wine if they are blind folded.


I keep seeing this and I don't buy it, but on the other hand, most people are morons. Got a citation?
 
2012-03-06 03:03:19 PM  
The one thing that bugs me about people saying a particular wine is "bad" or "good"... is that you can't evaluate wine on a 1-10 scale. Its all about its properties and your tastes.

You could give me the best (price being irrelevant) wine that has a fruity taste, and I'm going to hate it. My wife will probably love it.

Opposite goes for tanic, more dry wines.
 
2012-03-06 03:10:53 PM  

WaltzingMathilda: there is very delicious expensive wine. there is "no complaints" expensive wine. there is very not delicious expensive wine. there is very delicious cheap wine. there is "no complaints" cheap wine. there is very not delicious cheap wine.


I've tasted great $15 wine. I've had incredibly bad $200 wine. One of my favorite "pizza wines" is around $18. The best wine I've had to date was about $160, but it wasn't so much better than the $30-$40 stuff I usually get that I bought a case of it...
 
2012-03-06 03:13:47 PM  

timujin: WaltzingMathilda: there is very delicious expensive wine. there is "no complaints" expensive wine. there is very not delicious expensive wine. there is very delicious cheap wine. there is "no complaints" cheap wine. there is very not delicious cheap wine.

I've tasted great $15 wine. I've had incredibly bad $200 wine. One of my favorite "pizza wines" is around $18. The best wine I've had to date was about $160, but it wasn't so much better than the $30-$40 stuff I usually get that I bought a case of it...


This comment was intended to have started with a "This."

Then I just started rambling.

I'm blaming the cold medicine.
 
2012-03-06 03:14:07 PM  

Kasira: NowhereMon: Most people can't even tell the difference between white and red wine if they are blind folded.

I keep seeing this and I don't buy it, but on the other hand, most people are morons. Got a citation?


Someone linked me a citation the last time this came up and I was posting about it. I still don't buy it, though. How can you NOT taste the astringent tannins in red wine?
 
2012-03-06 03:18:23 PM  

markie_farkie: For the most part, there is significant difference between a $10 and $40 bottle of wine.

Anything over that, you're paying for the right to brag that you drank a $150 bottle..


Basically. A $150 bottle of wine will likely be a lot better than a $15 bottle. But not 10 times better.
 
2012-03-06 03:28:00 PM  
$150? Is that all the flavors of Mad Dog 20/20 combined in a single bottle, like a glorious amalgamation, or, like what a hobo yaks into a storm drain?
 
2012-03-06 03:30:00 PM  
I find that in the US I can get a bottle that leaves me thinking "mmm yummy" under $20, and if I listen to the guy at the shop I can be really happy for around ten.

I find that in France and Croatia and Italy I can get really good stuff much cheaper, but again, I have to listen to the guy at the shop.
 
2012-03-06 03:40:06 PM  

Kasira: NowhereMon: Most people can't even tell the difference between white and red wine if they are blind folded.

I keep seeing this and I don't buy it, but on the other hand, most people are morons. Got a citation?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/molly-laas/the-red-and-the-white_b_8030 8 .html

http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/11/the_subjectivity_of_wine.php

The subjectivity of wine link is about how peoples opinion of a wine is driven mostly by the label and price
 
2012-03-06 03:41:27 PM  
I honestly thought this was going to be about another Romney rich guy/tone deaf comment.
 
2012-03-06 03:46:16 PM  
Some of the best wine I ever bought I got for $1 a bottle when a winery was sold to another winery and they changed labels
 
2012-03-06 03:48:03 PM  
I must be special then, because I can tell the difference. So can a lot of the people that I know.
 
2012-03-06 03:50:54 PM  
I haven't (knowingly) had a $150 bottle of wine, but in my experience there *will* be a hell of a lot of difference between a $10 bottle and a $20 bottle.
 
2012-03-06 03:54:30 PM  
The wine tasters that really crack me up are the ones that claim they can detect quality differences in wine that are due to the different mineral profiles in the soil the grapes are grown in.

It's all complete BS of course. When you get into wine that is more than $20 a bottle you are soundly in an audiophile-type logic zone. You might think you can tell a difference but it is untestable at worst and completely subjective at best.
 
2012-03-06 03:55:23 PM  

RexTalionis: Kasira: NowhereMon: Most people can't even tell the difference between white and red wine if they are blind folded.

I keep seeing this and I don't buy it, but on the other hand, most people are morons. Got a citation?

Someone linked me a citation the last time this came up and I was posting about it. I still don't buy it, though. How can you NOT taste the astringent tannins in red wine?


Reds and whites are supposed to be served at different temperatures. That right there makes any "blind" test bullshiat. If served chilled, the reds will lose much of the "nose" that separates them from whites. If room temp, whites are, well, wrong, somehow. I still haven't seen any actual study. Let's check the intarwebs:

Oh. Nobody seems to remember actually doing this fail-test, they only heard about it. Link (new window). FTA: "experienced wine drinkers can tell red from white by taste about seventy per cent of the time, as long as the test is being administered by someone who isn't interested in trying to fool them."

Given the vast differences in wines it should be no problem to find a few boring (probably young) reds and whites that are so damn generic that you can't taste the difference, assuming you are trying to be an asshole who doesn't care about how much he misrepresents reality as long as those click-throughs happen.

I am no expert, but I can tell a Burgundy from a Claret*. I also think a few of the two-buck-Chucks are drinkable, but only a few, and only as with-food wine, not as a stand-alone connysewer sort of thing. For that I stick to Aussie and Spanish wines, or the occasional Jadot. But my basic table wine is Bull's Blood.

*Fawlty Towers
 
2012-03-06 03:55:40 PM  
Only exceptional people can truly taste the difference between a $15 and $150 bottle of wine

That's true, actually. I also heard that only competent people can view the emperor's new clothes. What will they think of next?
 
2012-03-06 04:04:29 PM  

NowhereMon: The wine tasters that really crack me up are the ones that claim they can detect quality differences in wine that are due to the different mineral profiles in the soil the grapes are grown in.

It's all complete BS of course. When you get into wine that is more than $20 a bottle you are soundly in an audiophile-type logic zone. You might think you can tell a difference but it is untestable at worst and completely subjective at best.


do you really think that fruits and vegetables thrive in the same way and taste the same no matter what environment they are grown in?
 
2012-03-06 04:06:19 PM  

Humean_Nature: Only exceptional people can truly taste the difference between a $15 and $150 bottle of wine

That's true, actually. I also heard that only competent people can view the emperor's new clothes. What will they think of next?


...my tiny fist of rage is shaking so hard right now...
 
2012-03-06 04:09:24 PM  
Only exceptional people can truly taste the difference between a $15 and $150 bottle of wine

And they're all going to post in this thread.
 
2012-03-06 04:09:31 PM  
Christ, I can tell that giving some of you good wine would be like feeding strawberries to pigs.
 
2012-03-06 04:11:39 PM  

WaltzingMathilda: do you really think that fruits and vegetables thrive in the same way and taste the same no matter what environment they are grown in?


No, obviously there are going to be regional differences. These people claim they can actually taste the minerals like slate and granite, and those flavors are due to the rocks in the ground where the grapes are grown.
 
2012-03-06 04:12:20 PM  

unyon: Christ, I can tell that giving some of you good wine would be like feeding strawberries to pigs.


Hmmm....strawberry flavored bacon.....
 
2012-03-06 04:13:04 PM  

NowhereMon: The wine tasters that really crack me up are the ones that claim they can detect quality differences in wine that are due to the different mineral profiles in the soil the grapes are grown in.

It's all complete BS of course. When you get into wine that is more than $20 a bottle you are soundly in an audiophile-type logic zone. You might think you can tell a difference but it is untestable at worst and completely subjective at best.


Monster Cables should make wine glasses. It's the next logical step.
 
2012-03-06 04:16:26 PM  

WaltzingMathilda: do you really think that fruits and vegetables thrive in the same way and taste the same no matter what environment they are grown in?


The school of thought regarding his is called "Terroir". Look it up.
 
2012-03-06 04:20:47 PM  

NowhereMon: WaltzingMathilda: do you really think that fruits and vegetables thrive in the same way and taste the same no matter what environment they are grown in?

No, obviously there are going to be regional differences. These people claim they can actually taste the minerals like slate and granite, and those flavors are due to the rocks in the ground where the grapes are grown.


i know people who will tell you that a wine tastes a certain way because of the different minerals and shiat that are in the soil, and also because of the sunlight, and the pruning practices, etc. that concept is known as terroir, and is perfectly reasonable.

i've never heard anyone tell me they can actually taste the minerals themselves. that practice is known as "ignorance" and is perfectly retarded.
 
2012-03-06 04:22:44 PM  

WaltzingMathilda: i've never heard anyone tell me they can actually taste the minerals themselves.


Well, maybe they're drinking unfiltered wine and there's sediment.
 
2012-03-06 04:27:06 PM  
I'd correct all of you, but my Water Sommelier just came over with a hand-harvested bottle of '09 Bora Bora Volcano Runoff that I need to try before my hand-harvested '04 Arctic Circle Glacier. Best $350 I've ever spent. Really brings out the flavor of the Funnyuns and Lik-M-Aid.
 
2012-03-06 04:30:22 PM  
$15 is a little expensive for my tastes....

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2012-03-06 04:31:35 PM  
Only exceptional people can truly taste the difference between a $15 and $150 bottle of wine

Exceptional... as in... learning disabled? Retarded?
 
2012-03-06 04:35:24 PM  
the gf can tell if i had mickey d's or taco bell. you know how?
 
2012-03-06 04:42:46 PM  

munko: the gf can tell if i had mickey d's or taco bell. you know how?


i'm guessing it has to do with your deviant sexual practice of taking sh*ts on your gf's chest, no? or maybe the fact that you perform the cincinnati hotplate from time to time?
 
2012-03-06 04:43:11 PM  

munko: the gf can tell if i had mickey d's or taco bell. you know how?


Your brother's dick tastes like special sauce?
 
2012-03-06 04:43:50 PM  
 
2012-03-06 04:43:55 PM  
If you can't tell the difference, you're probably a heavy smoker. That $150 bottle of wine is (hopefully) a decade or so old, meaning a MUCH smoother taste.

Not to say that I can afford to drink $150 wine; but when I'm around those who can I'll gladly have a glass.
 
2012-03-06 04:44:01 PM  
sa3.wine-searcher.net

/hotlink
 
2012-03-06 04:44:20 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: $150? Is that all the flavors of Mad Dog 20/20 combined in a single bottle


Doing that would create a new color that mankind has never been exposed to.
 
2012-03-06 04:44:37 PM  
I kinda agree...15 bucks is getting down to some pretty crappy stuff. I think this rings true to someone that doesn't drink wine very often. But for someone that drinks 4-5 bottles a week might be able to tell. I think the issue is that 15 dollar wine doesn't mean "bad" wine and 150 dollar wine doesn't mean "good" or "better" wine.
I've been drinking under 20 dollar carmeneres lately while my 40-60 dollar cabs have been untouched.
 
2012-03-06 04:44:45 PM  

NowhereMon: Most people can't even tell the difference between white and red wine if they are blind folded.


Hell, most people can't tell the difference between wine and beer if blindfolded.
 
2012-03-06 04:45:47 PM  
When I first read this I was mad that I couldn't tell the difference between a good wine and a bad wine. I realize now that it was just sour grapes.
 
2012-03-06 04:45:55 PM  

Daddy's Big Pink Man-Squirrel: RexTalionis: Kasira: NowhereMon: Most people can't even tell the difference between white and red wine if they are blind folded.

I keep seeing this and I don't buy it, but on the other hand, most people are morons. Got a citation?

Someone linked me a citation the last time this came up and I was posting about it. I still don't buy it, though. How can you NOT taste the astringent tannins in red wine?

Reds and whites are supposed to be served at different temperatures. That right there makes any "blind" test bullshiat. If served chilled, the reds will lose much of the "nose" that separates them from whites. If room temp, whites are, well, wrong, somehow. I still haven't seen any actual study. Let's check the intarwebs:

Oh. Nobody seems to remember actually doing this fail-test, they only heard about it. Link (new window). FTA: "experienced wine drinkers can tell red from white by taste about seventy per cent of the time, as long as the test is being administered by someone who isn't interested in trying to fool them."

Given the vast differences in wines it should be no problem to find a few boring (probably young) reds and whites that are so damn generic that you can't taste the difference, assuming you are trying to be an asshole who doesn't care about how much he misrepresents reality as long as those click-throughs happen.

I am no expert, but I can tell a Burgundy from a Claret*. I also think a few of the two-buck-Chucks are drinkable, but only a few, and only as with-food wine, not as a stand-alone connysewer sort of thing. For that I stick to Aussie and Spanish wines, or the occasional Jadot. But my basic table wine is Bull's Blood.

*Fawlty Towers


The Hungarian wine? Are you serious?
 
2012-03-06 04:46:18 PM  
So, wine like whiskey is better with Coke.
 
2012-03-06 04:46:29 PM  
I am going to agree with the others in that there is quite a noticeable difference between the under $20 wines and the over $30 wines. I think that if most people bought $30+ wines for 3 or so weeks they would immediately recognize the difference once they were acclimated to what good wines were like.
 
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