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(Important Media)   Scientists working on tobacco derivatives create new dilemma for smokers: Would you rather have cheaper cigarettes or cheaper gas? Added difficulty: Door #3 is cheaper booze   (cleantechnica.com) divider line 33
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2012-03-06 10:07:21 AM
Sorry, smokers. The global economy has to come first.

That said, are we sure it can be converted efficiently? Other biofuels haven't been so successful.
 
2012-03-06 10:08:11 AM
Yes.
 
2012-03-06 10:09:07 AM
WOOOHOOOO! Come on $20 for a pack of cigarettes! Drive them nasty, foul smelling, inconsiderate smokers out of the market.
 
2012-03-06 10:11:45 AM

imontheinternet: Sorry, smokers. The global economy has to come first.

That said, are we sure it can be converted efficiently? Other biofuels haven't been so successful.


With out seeing the research who can say? It is not like reporters ever go from a scientist saying their research might prove out to them printing that said research will create a new golden age. Nope that never happens. Stupid reporters never give the gritty details.
 
2012-03-06 10:15:57 AM
This is probably one of the best green ideas that I've seen in a while.
 
2012-03-06 10:16:12 AM
Does this mean you can smoke at the gas pump now?
 
2012-03-06 10:18:26 AM
I can see this thread becoming an intellectually fruitful dialogue where valid points will be had by both sides before coming to a mutual understanding.
 
2012-03-06 10:22:51 AM
Depends. If my car burning Tobacco biofuel is spitting nicotine into the atmosphere, then it's win-win.

And when you commit suicide by leaving the car running in the garage, you now have the option of going out with the cool taste of menthol.
 
2012-03-06 10:26:59 AM
I'm behind any non-food crop being used as biofuel, keep corn prices normal and have biofuel sounds like a win win.
 
2012-03-06 10:29:09 AM

Slaves2Darkness: WOOOHOOOO! Come on $20 for a pack of cigarettes! Drive them nasty, foul smelling, inconsiderate smokers out of the market.


They're only appear inconsiderate because you're a cockbag so they see no need to go out of their way to make you happy when you were so rude to them.

Don't even bother trying to argue your case, someone who makes an opening statement like yours clearly is a cockbag, no debate, and I don't even smoke.
 
2012-03-06 10:40:12 AM

Tom_Slick: I'm behind any non-food crop being used as biofuel, keep corn prices normal and have biofuel sounds like a win win.


Non food crop isn't even that simple. There is land reappropriation. That is land used to grow food crops may then be used to grow fuel crops, still driving up the cost of food.
 
2012-03-06 10:50:14 AM

Slaves2Darkness: WOOOHOOOO! Come on $20 for a pack of cigarettes! Drive them nasty, foul smelling, inconsiderate smokers out of the market.


plus4chan.org
 
2012-03-06 11:08:02 AM
As a smoker, this doesn't really bother me. I'd rather have more expensive smokes than more expensive food (corn=ethanol) or booze (other biofuel matter taking up agro space).

As a guy that comes from North Carolina farming stock, I'm actually pretty happy that tobacco growing will become profitable again. I've got more cousins than I can count, and most of them could use the work.
 
2012-03-06 11:12:23 AM

bmongar: Non food crop isn't even that simple. There is land reappropriation. That is land used to grow food crops may then be used to grow fuel crops, still driving up the cost of food.


True but Tobacco won't grow where most of our food crop comes from, so it will help.
 
2012-03-06 11:17:34 AM
If this is true, they better develop a strain of tobacco that doesn't use as much fertilizer as the current strains. Nitrogen isn't cheap.
 
2012-03-06 11:31:27 AM

Tom_Slick: bmongar: Non food crop isn't even that simple. There is land reappropriation. That is land used to grow food crops may then be used to grow fuel crops, still driving up the cost of food.

True but Tobacco won't grow where most of our food crop comes from, so it will help.


Correct. Furthermore, tobacco farms already exist in very large scale here in the US. It may simply mean that many of those farmers will choose to start selling their product to people who can convert it into fuel rather than people who can turn it into cigarettes, if there's more money to be made there.
 
2012-03-06 11:40:50 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Tom_Slick: bmongar: Non food crop isn't even that simple. There is land reappropriation. That is land used to grow food crops may then be used to grow fuel crops, still driving up the cost of food.

True but Tobacco won't grow where most of our food crop comes from, so it will help.

Correct. Furthermore, tobacco farms already exist in very large scale here in the US. It may simply mean that many of those farmers will choose to start selling their product to people who can convert it into fuel rather than people who can turn it into cigarettes, if there's more money to be made there.


Plus, there are a large number of former tabacco farms that are getting subsidies to NOT grow tobacco. The land is there, not being used. I have a cousin who lives on one in Southern Md. The land owners moved out and rent the house to him. 700 Acres of nothing and they get money every month.

Go for it. I'm all for good uses of resources.
 
2012-03-06 11:44:26 AM

Slaxl: Slaves2Darkness: WOOOHOOOO! Come on $20 for a pack of cigarettes! Drive them nasty, foul smelling, inconsiderate smokers out of the market.

They're only appear inconsiderate because you're a cockbag so they see no need to go out of their way to make you happy when you were so rude to them.

Don't even bother trying to argue your case, someone who makes an opening statement like yours clearly is a cockbag, no debate, and I don't even smoke.


So, what exactly is a cockbag? Is that where eunuchs like yourself keep your cocks? Do you keep your balls in the same bag or do they get their own?

Personally I don't mind being called a cockbag, because really having a cock in you occasionally is nothing to be ashamed of. It is quite nice, and while penised people are not my preferred sexual partner I like to fark and will fark anyone at almost anytime.
 
2012-03-06 11:47:03 AM

Tom_Slick: I'm behind any non-food crop being used as biofuel, keep corn prices normal and have biofuel sounds like a win win.


Not quite a 'big picture' kinda guy, are you?
 
2012-03-06 12:33:17 PM
Smoke a pipe or roll your own. Then you can have both!
 
2012-03-06 12:35:31 PM
I'm all for higher taxes on smokes and booze. I think we should also tax weed, hookers, blow, and all other "recreational drugs"

I voted yes on a sugar tax

I'd be willing to pay a tax on caffine.
 
2012-03-06 12:37:22 PM
Cheap booze. Cheap enough to run the car on it as well.
 
2012-03-06 12:39:42 PM

madgordy: I voted yes on a sugar tax

I'd be willing to pay a tax on caffine.


Don`t attempt to legislate what you cannot spell. Ban all the `caffine` you like. Feed your kids `Malk`. Just don`t get between me and my drug.

I`ll be over here with my italian full caffeine espresso
 
2012-03-06 01:28:34 PM
Hemp grows faster than tobacco...
 
2012-03-06 01:39:50 PM
Cheap booze and gas. A winning combination!
 
2012-03-06 05:49:26 PM
Berkeley team's goal is to skip a few steps by converting the hydrocarbon molecules from tobacco directly into a fuel that is practically ready to use as a drop-in substitute for petroleum fuels.
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Doesn't this mean it is more flammable? No smoking in the tobacco fields or "POOF"!
 
2012-03-06 07:26:38 PM
Hmm. I now leave my car and take the bus to work every day, so I don't drive anymore. And I also got sober recently and now smoke more than I used to.
 
2012-03-06 07:43:55 PM

unyon: Depends. If my car burning Tobacco biofuel is spitting nicotine into the atmosphere, then it's win-win.

And when you commit suicide by leaving the car running in the garage, you now have the option of going out with the cool taste of menthol.


LOL
 
2012-03-06 09:48:09 PM
I don't smoke.

I rarely drink, and never to excess.

I do drive, and I rather like the freedom to do so without going broke.

So here's my answer: F♥ck the smokers and drinkers! Give me cheaper gas!
 
2012-03-06 09:50:01 PM

Surool: Hemp grows faster than tobacco...


So does switchgrass.

Switchgrass can power cars, but of course, it doesn't get you high, so I never see stoners and hippies going on and on about switchgrass.
 
2012-03-06 11:30:43 PM
Man, I was once behind a guy who used Jimson weed as biofuel. After the Szechuan lobster let me in his lane I laughed as all my friends melted lugubriously. Seeing the purple and hazelnut lights in my porcelain rear-view mentor, I gurbled, "The Felch, better pull out". Grasping the bust of Shatner in front of me, I slooshily pulled to the side of the greegaxx, and mgurbblrdd my graaaahh.
 
2012-03-07 12:00:51 AM
Gas wins. Hands down.
 
2012-03-07 03:36:42 AM

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: Surool: Hemp grows faster than tobacco...

So does switchgrass.

Switchgrass can power cars, but of course, it doesn't get you high, so I never see stoners and hippies going on and on about switchgrass.


Yeah, but do switchgrass fibers work as well for paper and clothing? Does it contain medicine that can actually help the sick?

I know there are many plants that regenerate/replace themselves faster than tobacco. I sited weed because (A) there are many additional uses and (B) It amused me. It wasn't even a serious post.

Also: I have never heard any environmentalist hippie biofuel types talk about weed as a fuel. They all know about switchgrass.
 
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