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2012-03-06 10:54:47 AM

Great_Milenko: Let's put this to bed finally.

Ohio-Romney
Mass-Romney
Virginia-Romney
Oklahoma-Romney
Wisconsin-Romney
Tennessee- Romney
Georgia-Newt (frothy damn close, maybe another Iowa)


I live in Georgia. I think this line of reasoning comes from people viewing Georgia as this:
image.buzzintown.com

When in reality over half of the entire state's population is gathered around this:
atlanta.curbed.com

There are a lot of businesses here, and therefore a lot of fiscal/establishment conservatives.
I'm pretty sure that, while certainly Newt's from here and will get some serious support from his remaining fans, Romney might have more traction in the state than you'd think. Certainly more than Santorum, despite there being a handful of his voters around as indicated in my first image.
 
2012-03-06 10:55:16 AM
I wonder what the Venn diagram would look like of Santorum supporters and people who made a big deal out of "executive experience!"
 
2012-03-06 10:55:30 AM
For politicos, Super Tuesday is probably the equivalent of Thanksgiving, Christmas, and their birthday all wrapped up into one day. For the rest of us, it's a reminder to not turn on our TVs.

My prediction is that Romney wins slightly more than half of the states, with Santorum winning all but one of the rest. Gingrich will win GA. I think this shiat is going to drag out a few more months, at least to wring those last few pennies out of the populace.
 
2012-03-06 10:57:42 AM
Come on Virginia! Turn out to unite the anyone-but-Romney vote behind RON PAUL!!!

/no chance, really
//not even with a miracle
 
2012-03-06 10:59:56 AM

John215: Cletus C.: Romney's pretty much doing a victory lap now. Any thoughts otherwise are wet dreams.

[i.imgur.com image 400x378]

A hierarchy
Spread out on the nightstand
The spirit of team
Salvation is another chance
A sore loser
Yelling with my mouth shut
A cracking portrait
The fondling of the trophies
The null of losing
Can you afford that luxury?


A Small Victory
Thank you.
I thought I was the only one who bought that album. It was so eclipsed by Nevermind.
 
2012-03-06 11:04:23 AM

odinsposse: casual disregard: Not really working out for them, then. Too bad Pawlenty bowed out. That might actually have been a contest. Wouldn't you love to see a Pawlenty vs. Gravel election? It would at least be different. I might actually have to think how to vote in that one.

Huh? I always got the impression that Pawlenty was Romney without all the flash.


Oh, god.
Romney with no flash.
His eggshell is brighter than your beige.
 
2012-03-06 11:05:15 AM

apoptotic: "Newt Gingrich appeals to the head. Rick Santorum to the heart."

Bwahahahaha!!!


They're not talking about the big head...
 
2012-03-06 11:12:12 AM

firesign: Great_Milenko: Let's put this to bed finally.

Ohio-Romney
Mass-Romney
Virginia-Romney
Oklahoma-Romney
Wisconsin-Romney
Tennessee- Romney
Georgia-Newt (frothy damn close, maybe another Iowa)

I live in Georgia. I think this line of reasoning comes from people viewing Georgia as this:
[image.buzzintown.com image 500x331]

When in reality over half of the entire state's population is gathered around this:
[atlanta.curbed.com image 640x470]

There are a lot of businesses here, and therefore a lot of fiscal/establishment conservatives.
I'm pretty sure that, while certainly Newt's from here and will get some serious support from his remaining fans, Romney might have more traction in the state than you'd think. Certainly more than Santorum, despite there being a handful of his voters around as indicated in my first image.


Pre-election day polls were showing Newt at something like 47%. He'll win here because this is his state.

Not that it matters nationally.
 
2012-03-06 11:15:18 AM

firesign: while certainly Newt's from here


Born in PA (Harrisburg), raised in PA (Hummelstown). Bumped around due the military and graduated from HS in Georgia. To be fair, Harrisburg is very similar to Georgia.
 
2012-03-06 11:26:25 AM
most people here are unenrolled, so they can vote in any primary. they're all taking the Democratic ballot. I'd say at least 65% of the (small sample size) has voted in the Democratic primary.

This is bad...for Scott Brown.
 
2012-03-06 11:26:54 AM

GoodyearPimp: firesign: while certainly Newt's from here

Born in PA (Harrisburg), raised in PA (Hummelstown). Bumped around due the military and graduated from HS in Georgia. To be fair, Harrisburg is very similar to Georgia.


Fair enough. I guess I meant "from here" in more of a political sense than a heritage sense.
To hear all of the good-old-boy politicians around these parts tell it, he's definitely "one of them."
 
2012-03-06 11:27:54 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Not that it matters nationally.


Actually, if Newt does add Georgia to his basket, and doesn't drop out before, I expect he'll also have a good shot of taking Alabama, Mississipi, and Louisiana. Essentially, a sweep of the Derp South.
 
2012-03-06 11:30:39 AM
*wakes up from four year nap*

What'd I miss?
 
2012-03-06 11:30:50 AM

tcan: And now you can finally stop pretending.


To care about the party that I tried to help steer back from the Abyss?

I stayed in for a long while--even when GW and Rove ran the "illegitimate black child" tripe on McCain. I've watched so called "Social Conservatives"--who are neither terribly social in that they really don't seem to like many of their neighbors, and can't really be called Conservatives for how they want to gut the Constitution and pretty much every foundation of our nation, which to most folks would be actually fairly radical--and corporatist shills suck any semblance of integrity from the process and the party. I don't regret that--because I worked on some good campaigns, for some folks that I actually believe in. The party has turned down some dark roads, and it won't be satisfied until it implodes from the vacuum it's creating inside. It saddens me, because there are good folks still within, but their voices are shunted aside. We're turning candidates aside who speak to the very ideals that folks say they stand for, but then call those folks RINOs as soon as they stand for those very principles.

The GOP cannot simultaneously say that it stands for less government intrusion, and poke its nose into every bedroom across the nation. It cannot say that it stands for deregulation, except where it concerns cutting out competition for large scale concerns. It can't say that it stands for business, while trying to deter entrepreneurship and the very competition that would drive our economy into calmer waters. The Republican Party is sick, and I just can't sit there and hold its hand, if it is bound and determined to stand with the folks who've made it so.

I'm still Conservative, but I'll do so from without the party. Maybe see if the Modern Whigs need a hand organizing in Mass or NY. But the GOP wants to stand with the Crazy Train? Fine. Go for it. Heck, in local races I may still vote Republican if the candidate isn't certifiable, but right now, the national party has lost its center, and in ways that even Barry Goldwater couldn't have imagined how bad it's gotten.

My problem is that the GOP is no longer a Conservative party, it's committed to a form of economic and social radicalism that doesn't jibe with anything that I was taught, and I'll keep voting my conscience. If that makes me a bad Conservative in your mind, then so I'll be, but for me, it's the only way vote.
 
2012-03-06 11:33:33 AM

Cletus C.: Romney's pretty much doing a victory lap now. Any thoughts otherwise are wet dreams.


Don't think you quite understand what a 'victory lap' is.
 
2012-03-06 11:35:03 AM
Alright, Super Tuesday states, who's it going to be: Waffle House, Hypocritical Theocrat, Delusional Grandpa, or Angry Womanizer?

Remember, your choice has a chance to get access to nuclear launch codes, command the world's largest military, and speak for the free world.

Choose wisely.
 
2012-03-06 11:36:15 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Alright, Super Tuesday states, who's it going to be: Waffle House, Hypocritical Theocrat, Delusional Grandpa, or Angry Womanizer?

Remember, your choice has a chance to get access to nuclear launch codes, command the world's largest military, and speak for the free world.

Choose wisely.


'The only winning move is not to play.'
 
2012-03-06 11:36:26 AM
Super Tuesday Morning : Where Americans go for dusty leftovers and remnants of useless crap they don't need and doesn't work

pics3.city-data.com



/Souper Tuesday Morning: Soup AND dusty leftovers and remnants of useless crap they don't need and doesn't work.
 
2012-03-06 11:36:39 AM

Sir Vanderhoot: BeesNuts:
IOW, it's a political ad. But it's at least factually accurate, by all accounts. A little unusual that I can't find police records of a missing person's report, but hey, beggars can't be choosers and all that.

Police don't file reports until the person has been missing for over 24 hours, right? Did they find her that day?


It was a kid, kids are a little different.
 
2012-03-06 11:37:45 AM

indylaw: Remember, if you live in one of those 10 states, a vote for Santorum is a vote for freedom. Do with that indisputable fact as you will.


Freedom of religion (unless you are not Christian)
Freedom from government intrusion into your personal life (unless you are female, gay, or not a Christian)
Freedom, indeed.
 
2012-03-06 11:39:29 AM

GoodyearPimp: firesign: while certainly Newt's from here

Born in PA (Harrisburg), raised in PA (Hummelstown). Bumped around due the military and graduated from HS in Georgia. To be fair, Harrisburg is very similar to Georgia.


Really they have Muslim judges in Georgia?
 
2012-03-06 11:41:27 AM

dohrk: indylaw: Remember, if you live in one of those 10 states, a vote for Santorum is a vote for freedom. Do with that indisputable fact as you will.

Freedom of religion (unless you are not Christian)
Freedom from government intrusion into your personal life (unless you are female, gay, or not a Christian)
Freedom, indeed.


funnyphotosto.com
 
2012-03-06 11:42:57 AM
i45.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-06 11:43:27 AM

hubiestubert: The GOP cannot simultaneously say that it stands for less government intrusion, and poke its nose into every bedroom across the nation.


...really? "Ought not", I could understand; but why "cannot"?
 
2012-03-06 11:43:51 AM

hubiestubert: I suppose I could cast a vote anyway, since I'm in Mass, but that sort of disingenuousness is not really my style.


Dammit Hubie, I was going to cast a vote for Santorum in Ohio -- also for the lulz -- but now you've got me feeling bad about being disingenuous (also not really my style).
 
2012-03-06 11:45:07 AM
Please oh PLEASE have Santorum pick up just enough delegates for him not to bow out. This is far too entertaining to end.
 
2012-03-06 11:45:20 AM

abb3w: hubiestubert: The GOP cannot simultaneously say that it stands for less government intrusion, and poke its nose into every bedroom across the nation.

...really? "Ought not", I could understand; but why "cannot"?


hypocrisy - look it up.
 
2012-03-06 11:45:28 AM

I Said: verbaltoxin: You know, I was thinking. We should start doing politics threads in kayfabe too.

I lol'd

And now I start:

Santorum is the only viable candidate who can beat Obama and return the United States to its Christian roots. Look at countries around the world that aren't saved by Christ: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Is that how we should end up?

/kayfabe in politics threads is awful close to trolling


That's indistinguishable from what my brother in law actually says.
 
2012-03-06 11:45:28 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Choose wisely.


A little late for that. That ship's sailed.
 
2012-03-06 11:51:30 AM
If only we could finally get a brokered convention... Stewart and Colbert could take the weekend off and just air a raw stream.

I also suspect many of the same people who railed against Romney to suddenly about face and praise him, saying hes the perfect candidate, and the perfect leader, and gosh, it will be amazing to have him in office, compared to that do nothing dictator socialist Muslim atheist radical christian fascist lizard person Obama.


I dunno. There are stories in the Gate and such about "election officials indicating" people are requesting noncandidate ballots - ballots that simply list the issues and not the candidates. Why would "election officials" give us such an impression of nonsupport for all candidates were the powers that be not at least contemplating a brokered election?

Officials say many people ask for issues-only ballots on Super Tuesday, skip presidential voting.
http://www.sfgate.com/



Or maybe I'm just bored.
 
2012-03-06 11:52:26 AM
Super Tuesday Delegate Guide

About 400 delegates, depending on how you count Wyoming and the caucus in North Dakota, will be awarded tonight. The vast majority of these are PLEDGED, so they're set in stone, unlike Iowa, Minnesota, and other caucus states where no delegates have been formally allocated yet. Here's a brief summary of poll closing times and delegate allocation rules.

Glossary
Winner-all: Winner takes all relevant delegates
Majority-all: Candidate with 50% + 1 takes all relevant delegates
Super-all: Candidate with 2/3 takes all relevant delegates
Proportional: All candidates receive a proportional share of delegates
Prop-#: Candidates with # percent or more receive a proportional share of delegates
Else 2-1 (if #%): Top two candidates receive 2 and 1 delegate respectively (assuming second place has at least # percent)

Delegate counts next to each state do not include unpledged state chairman delegates. Georgia, Idaho, and Vermont include these delegates in their pledged allocation, so they are listed in those states. Other states, excluding North Dakota have three unpledged delegates in addition to those listed. Wyoming has seven additional delegates being awarded at County conventions later this week and 14 others being awarded at a state convention in April in addition to those three unpledged delegates. North Dakota is a traditional caucus state: there are no rules.

Georgia (7:00pm ET) - 76
Secretary of State results (also available by district)
3x14 CD: Majority-all / Else 2-1
31 at-large: Prop-20
3 chairmen: Winner-all

Vermont (7:00pm ET) - 17
Secretary of State results
3x1 CD: Winner-all
14 at-large: Majority-all / Prop-20

Virginia (7:00pm ET) - 46
State Board of Election results (also available by district)
3x11 CD: Winner-take-all
13 at-large: Majority-all / Prop-15

Ohio (7:30pm ET) - 63
No Secretary of State election night reporting
3x16 CD: Winner-all
15 at-large: Majority-all / Prop-20

Massachusetts (8:00pm ET) - 38
No Secretary of State election night reporting
38 delegates: Prop-15

Oklahoma (7:00pm CT / 8:00pm ET) - 40
State Election Board results (also available by district)
3x5 CD: Majority-all / Else 2-1 if 15%
25 at-large: Majority-all / Prop-15

Tennessee (8:00pm ET) - 55
No Secretary of State election night reporting
3x9 CD: Super-all / Else 2-1 if 20%
28 at-large: Super-all / Prop-20

Idaho (7:00pm MT / 9:00pm ET) - 32
Batshiat insane caucus system
32 delegates: Majority-all

Wyoming (7:00pm MT / 9:00pm ET) - 5
5 County conventions elect one delegate each

North Dakota (9:00pm CT / 10:00pm ET)
Caucus state, 28 delegates but no formal allocation

Alaska (7:30pm AT/HT / 12:30am ET) - 24
24 delegates: Proportional

When I get home, before the polls start closing, I'll post the standings as they are.
 
2012-03-06 11:58:21 AM

abb3w: hubiestubert: The GOP cannot simultaneously say that it stands for less government intrusion, and poke its nose into every bedroom across the nation.

...really? "Ought not", I could understand; but why "cannot"?


Not and be intellectually consistent.

But then again, lately, intellectual consistency seems to be considered a character flaw...
 
2012-03-06 11:58:23 AM

Sir Vanderhoot: BeesNuts:
IOW, it's a political ad. But it's at least factually accurate, by all accounts. A little unusual that I can't find police records of a missing person's report, but hey, beggars can't be choosers and all that.

Police don't file reports until the person has been missing for over 24 hours, right? Did they find her that day?


She was missing for 6 days, according to the story. Some (new window) links (new window) for your perusal. (new window)

Snopes has the best run-down, and it quotes the other articles.

"Melissa was eventually found six days after she disappeared due to a tip obtained when a teenaged boy who saw one of the televised "Help us find Melissa" appeals called 911"

It's 1996, so no guarantees that the 16 year old police report is still on file. But all I can see is stories about this from the time it happened, when there would've been no reason to go about making this up (though it was two years into Romney's first political position.)
 
2012-03-06 12:02:56 PM
tcan: It might be easier for you to understand why I am so gravely disappointed with the last twelve years, if you knew that this Republican is one of my all time heroes.

lh6.googleusercontent.com

Can we look at ANY of the candidates for the Republican ticket that Teddy wouldn't have knocked on his ass, just on general principle, let alone out of disgust for trying to run to represent the nation?
 
2012-03-06 12:08:21 PM

hubiestubert: My problem is that the GOP is no longer a Conservative party, it's committed to a form of economic and social radicalism that doesn't jibe with anything that I was taught, and I'll keep voting my conscience. If that makes me a bad Conservative in your mind, then so I'll be, but for me, it's the only way vote.


It's talk like this that's earned you a lovely shade of green. Keep it up.

/Internet fist-bump from a "Democrat who wishes he could vote republican" to a disenchanted Republican.
 
2012-03-06 12:08:55 PM
How's the turnout looking? That could determine a lot.
 
2012-03-06 12:24:24 PM
Santorum will be their nominee. The religious right will NOT allow a Mormon (Morons are OK) to be nominated. In the off chance that he is, he will probably not live to see the general elections.
 
2012-03-06 12:25:31 PM

zomega: How's the turnout looking? That could determine a lot.


I just voted (In Virginia, with only Romney and Paul on the ballot, granted) and besides election personnel, I was literally the only person in the entire place. This is during lunch break, what I assumed would be a busier time of the day.
 
2012-03-06 12:25:43 PM
come on Santorum, surge across Ohio and Tennessee!
 
2012-03-06 12:27:49 PM

LazarusLong42: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: One vote for Obama, and one vote for Kucinich over the Toledo Blue Dog. And a vote for some Pepto after my flight because ugh I'm never doing quick breakfasts at Sheetz again.

Marcy a Blue Dog? Maybe on abortion; that's it. Otherwise,

Congressional Progessive Caucus (new window)

That said, even as a Toledoan I hate to choose between Kaptur and Kucinich. They're pretty much the two most progressive politicians in Ohio. In the end the local aspect isn't as important as the seniority aspect; Marcy will be senior Dem on the Appropriations Committee, and if the Dems manage to take back the House, she'll be likely to be chair. That's... pretty big. Meanwhile Kucinich is the ranking member of jack and squat.

It's hard to vote against the longest-serving female member of the House.


That is a good reason to vote for any of them in my opinion.
 
2012-03-06 12:33:04 PM

WhoIsWillo: [i45.photobucket.com image 640x567]


Stolen!!
 
2012-03-06 12:42:01 PM

Bigdogdaddy: Santorum will be their nominee. The religious right will NOT allow a Mormon (Morons are OK) to be nominated. In the off chance that he is, he will probably not live to see the general elections.


I think it probably isn't a big factor since the people who think Mormons are unacceptable probably aren't thrilled with Catholics either.
 
2012-03-06 12:53:05 PM

odinsposse: Bigdogdaddy: Santorum will be their nominee. The religious right will NOT allow a Mormon (Morons are OK) to be nominated. In the off chance that he is, he will probably not live to see the general elections.

I think it probably isn't a big factor since the people who think Mormons are unacceptable probably aren't thrilled with Catholics either.


This. Then again I was surprised either of them were getting the support they have been getting, so I have NO idea hw this is all going to end. That religiious right is not the behemoth it used to be - time was the Mormon wouldn't have even stood a chance of being seriously considered.
 
2012-03-06 12:57:55 PM

Bigdogdaddy: In the off chance that he is, he will probably not live to see the general elections.


You think they are going to kill Romney if he wins? I think that's a little extreme even for these extremists.

Nah, my thought is that (by hook or by literal crook) the GOP will make sure that Romney wins. Grudgingly the rank and file will line up behind him. Obama will go into full campaign mode and make Romney look like a completely untrustworthy flip-flopping mess. Obama wins with a decent but not outstanding margin. That part I'm pretty sure of.

This part just would be nice: "Except no substitute" social conservatives decide to pack their cookies and go home. Republican enthusiasm for the election peter's out. Come election day, some decide to pray for God to intervene rather than going to the voting booth. Masses of Democratic congress people get elected. And finally we break through this unprecidented gridlock and the problems of the country actually get worked on. And of all this "but socialism" bullshiat we've been dealing with for the last 3 1/2 years becomes a not so fond memory.
 
2012-03-06 01:04:42 PM

hubiestubert: tcan: And now you can finally stop pretending.

To care about the party that I tried to help steer back from the Abyss?

I stayed in for a long while--even when GW and Rove ran the "illegitimate black child" tripe on McCain. I've watched so called "Social Conservatives"--who are neither terribly social in that they really don't seem to like many of their neighbors, and can't really be called Conservatives for how they want to gut the Constitution and pretty much every foundation of our nation, which to most folks would be actually fairly radical--and corporatist shills suck any semblance of integrity from the process and the party. I don't regret that--because I worked on some good campaigns, for some folks that I actually believe in. The party has turned down some dark roads, and it won't be satisfied until it implodes from the vacuum it's creating inside. It saddens me, because there are good folks still within, but their voices are shunted aside. We're turning candidates aside who speak to the very ideals that folks say they stand for, but then call those folks RINOs as soon as they stand for those very principles.

The GOP cannot simultaneously say that it stands for less government intrusion, and poke its nose into every bedroom across the nation. It cannot say that it stands for deregulation, except where it concerns cutting out competition for large scale concerns. It can't say that it stands for business, while trying to deter entrepreneurship and the very competition that would drive our economy into calmer waters. The Republican Party is sick, and I just can't sit there and hold its hand, if it is bound and determined to stand with the folks who've made it so.

I'm still Conservative, but I'll do so from without the party. Maybe see if the Modern Whigs need a hand organizing in Mass or NY. But the GOP wants to stand with the Crazy Train? Fine. Go for it. Heck, in local races I may still vote Republican if the candidate isn't certifiable, but right now, the ...


I never thought you were a bad "conservative" just a bad Republican. As a fellow conservative and never a party member I can relate to your feelings. However, on the lesser of two evils scale I would far rather have Romney as president than continue with Obama. Far better to have a less dogmatic conservative than a dogmatic liberal.Obama is using the beauracracy to change things that could never get passed by the Congress. This is not the way a democratic republic is supposed to work. It's a backdoor way of thwarting the will of the people.
 
2012-03-06 01:26:08 PM

tcan: hubiestubert: tcan: And now you can finally stop pretending.

To care about the party that I tried to help steer back from the Abyss?

I stayed in for a long while--even when GW and Rove ran the "illegitimate black child" tripe on McCain. I've watched so called "Social Conservatives"--who are neither terribly social in that they really don't seem to like many of their neighbors, and can't really be called Conservatives for how they want to gut the Constitution and pretty much every foundation of our nation, which to most folks would be actually fairly radical--and corporatist shills suck any semblance of integrity from the process and the party. I don't regret that--because I worked on some good campaigns, for some folks that I actually believe in. The party has turned down some dark roads, and it won't be satisfied until it implodes from the vacuum it's creating inside. It saddens me, because there are good folks still within, but their voices are shunted aside. We're turning candidates aside who speak to the very ideals that folks say they stand for, but then call those folks RINOs as soon as they stand for those very principles.

The GOP cannot simultaneously say that it stands for less government intrusion, and poke its nose into every bedroom across the nation. It cannot say that it stands for deregulation, except where it concerns cutting out competition for large scale concerns. It can't say that it stands for business, while trying to deter entrepreneurship and the very competition that would drive our economy into calmer waters. The Republican Party is sick, and I just can't sit there and hold its hand, if it is bound and determined to stand with the folks who've made it so.

I'm still Conservative, but I'll do so from without the party. Maybe see if the Modern Whigs need a hand organizing in Mass or NY. But the GOP wants to stand with the Crazy Train? Fine. Go for it. Heck, in local races I may still vote Republican if the candidate isn't certifiable, but right now, the ...

I never thought you were a bad "conservative" just a bad Republican. As a fellow conservative and never a party member I can relate to your feelings. However, on the lesser of two evils scale I would far rather have Romney as president than continue with Obama. Far better to have a less dogmatic conservative than a dogmatic liberal.Obama is using the beauracracy to change things that could never get passed by the Congress. This is not the way a democratic republic is supposed to work. It's a backdoor way of thwarting the will of the people.


Dogmatic liberal?

I've never seen so much stupid packed into two words. I cried tears of blood after reading that.
 
2012-03-06 01:27:46 PM

tcan: However, on the lesser of two evils scale I would far rather have Romney as president than continue with Obama. Far better to have a less dogmatic conservative than a dogmatic liberal.Obama is using the beauracracy to change things that could never get passed by the Congress. This is not the way a democratic republic is supposed to work. It's a backdoor way of thwarting the will of the people.


I will respectfully disagree with you there. Mind you, that's because I've had to live with Romney being involved with my money before. At UMaine Farmington and in Mass. Romney represents a marked lack of integrity and the policies he waffles back and forth on NEED to have strong opinions upon, not based on the last focus group. He isn't "less dogmatic" he is exactly what I don't want to see in office, and that is a "For Sale" sign. That was how he governed in Mass, that is how he steered UMaine, that was how he operated with the Olympics.

My biggest problem with Romney isn't philosophical, it's fiscal. He favors hooking the bodies he governs to committed actions that will take a generation to pay for. He stands for committing resources for a long period, and in the state, he stood for fixing things so that they'd have to be fixed again, after he left. Not one price tag, but multiple price tags--which is great if you're a contractor, not so good for the taxpayer. Romney in office is a horrible prospect for growth and a horrible prospect for the deficit.

He will hook the taxpayers for things that we will have to go back and fix. His brand of inefficiency isn't by accident, and it's one of the reasons that many business folks like him, because he manages to steer a lot of funds their way--but at a cost to the taxpayer, and rooks competition. It is good for the folks who get the contracts, but who gets the contracts doesn't always mean the best deal for the state--and the IOC had to deal with a lot of the bills he left them with as well.

I will never vote Romney. I've already lived with him too many times, and I don't want my daughter paying for his crap...
 
2012-03-06 01:28:54 PM

tcan: Obama is using the beauracracy to change things that could never get passed by the Congress. This is not the way a democratic republic is supposed to work. It's a backdoor way of thwarting the will of the people.


And why is he making what changes he legally can without Congress? Because the people in there now are useless at best, and many seek to harm the nation for political reasons. And forget 'will of the people', Congress wouldn't know what that is.
 
2012-03-06 01:47:02 PM

Sir Vanderhoot: Carth: WTF Indeed: Ohio-Romney
Mass-Romney
Virginia-Romney
Oklahoma-Frothy
Wisconsin-Frothy
Tennessee- Frothy
Georgia-Newt

What about Alaska? Do you think RON PAUL will pull out a win?

If anyone loves the romantic notion of being completely self-suffiicient and without government, it has to be Alaskans.


...while cashing their state oil revenue checks every year.
 
2012-03-06 02:20:20 PM
This is barely on topic, but I just wanted to come here because I was excited to come across a word that perfectly expresses my opinion of Newt Gingrich.

"Loathsome."

I'm still trying to find the word that has that exact same shading of nuance and piquancy to apply to Rick Santorum.

Romney doesn't deserve one, being a colorless multimillionaire machine politician, and Ron Paul is colorful enough just being himself.
 
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