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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   China's military spending to top $100 billion this year. Amount increased after seeing U.S. spend ten times that much and still lose two wars   (post-gazette.com) divider line 65
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2012-03-06 08:35:15 AM
If China had our Republicans they would be losing wars and trillions too.
 
2012-03-06 08:37:10 AM
I wonder if they follow that old maxim about land wars in Asia?
 
2012-03-06 08:39:23 AM
They don't have to worry about unions, environmental protection, minimum wage, a department of education, welfare Cadillacs, or that goddamn piece of paper.

*Sigh*. I wish WE were more like China.

/This is what Republicans actually believe
 
2012-03-06 08:47:22 AM
So what am I getting for my ten-hundred billion dollars because it's not getting me laid, that's for sure.
 
2012-03-06 08:48:43 AM

NateGrey: If China had our Republicans they would be losing wars and trillions too.


Wait...is that a possibility?! Can we give them our Republicans? Is that something we could work out with them?!
 
2012-03-06 08:48:46 AM
If China had republicans they would all be in prisons and re-education camps.
 
2012-03-06 08:49:19 AM
No, we won the wars... we lost the occupations like we always do.
 
2012-03-06 09:04:04 AM
If China had our Republicans, that One Child policy would be out the door.
 
2012-03-06 09:06:00 AM
I'm impressed to see just how quickly this thread pivoted into complaining about Republicans. Usually you'd expect a least a couple of responses about the actual topic before it turns into a Republican hate-fest. Good work people.
 
2012-03-06 09:07:45 AM

The Numbers: I'm impressed to see just how quickly this thread pivoted into complaining about Republicans. Usually you'd expect a least a couple of responses about the actual topic before it turns into a Republican hate-fest. Good work people.


They've been working overtime to be extra vile recently, fresh in everyone's minds.
 
2012-03-06 09:08:43 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: If China had republicans they would all be in prisons and re- education camps.


Assuming Chinese republicans were anything like their American counterparts.
 
2012-03-06 09:08:57 AM

shadow9d9: No, we won the wars... we lost the occupations like we always do.


THIS. You have to fight a war to win a war. We havent fought a war in 60 years.
 
2012-03-06 09:11:20 AM
media.247sports.com

Yes, China is such a huge military threat. We should all definitely be afraid and calling for wars in Iran and Syria.
 
2012-03-06 09:12:41 AM

Notabunny: If China had our Republicans, that One Child policy would be out the door.


The One Child policy, coincidentally, is also about controlling what women do with their bodies.
 
2012-03-06 09:13:22 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: If China had republicans they would all be in prisons and re-education camps.


umm...

China has no unions. The government has almost total control over the populace. There is an astonishing level of corruption at all levels of government. They are a regional bully militarily with bogus territorial disputes backed up by threat of force. Government accountability barely exists (if it exists at all).

They sound pretty damned Republican to me already.
 
2012-03-06 09:13:29 AM

LasersHurt: The Numbers: I'm impressed to see just how quickly this thread pivoted into complaining about Republicans. Usually you'd expect a least a couple of responses about the actual topic before it turns into a Republican hate-fest. Good work people.

They've been working overtime to be extra vile recently, fresh in everyone's minds.


True enough. I guess I just underestimated the relevance the GOP's attitude toward women has on the issue of China's growing military spending.
 
2012-03-06 09:18:50 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: If China had republicans they would all be in prisons and re-education camps.


I remember all of those "Young Chinese for a Conservative China" in Tiananmen Square being gunned down and imprisoned. Tragic. All they wanted was a chance to let the market decide. All they wanted was to see the burden of capital gains tax finally removed from the backs of the job creators.
 
2012-03-06 09:18:58 AM
War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah
 
2012-03-06 09:19:59 AM

The Numbers: LasersHurt: The Numbers: I'm impressed to see just how quickly this thread pivoted into complaining about Republicans. Usually you'd expect a least a couple of responses about the actual topic before it turns into a Republican hate-fest. Good work people.

They've been working overtime to be extra vile recently, fresh in everyone's minds.

True enough. I guess I just underestimated the relevance the GOP's attitude toward women has on the issue of China's growing military spending.


A full half of that 11% rise came from Birth Control. I think the Chinese are making slut-bombs.
 
2012-03-06 09:22:14 AM
Kinda hard to lose a war when there is no clear definition of what a victory would look like.
 
2012-03-06 09:25:30 AM

theknuckler_33: Kinda hard to lose a war when there is no clear definition of what a victory would look like.


Actually, not having a clear definition of victory makes it very easy to lose a war.
 
2012-03-06 09:25:34 AM

DozeNutz: War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah


Huh? Since when do US Congressmen get votes in the UN?
 
2012-03-06 09:28:34 AM

shadow9d9: No, we won the wars... we lost the occupations like we always do.


shadow9d9: No, we won the wars... we lost the occupations like we always do.


shadow9d9: No, we won the wars... we lost the occupations like we always do.


I contend that the USA will never lose in combat ever again. We've been embarrassed by that in the past, we'll never allow it to happen in the future. I also contend that the USA will never win an occupation ever again. You could argue in favor of Japan, but we had deep ties to that nation since Commodore Perry and there's something to be said about shell-shock as well. You could argue in favor of Germany, but again deep ties for decades (Ferdinand von Zeppelin volunteered for the Union army, etc.) and West Germany was pretty solid from the get go after a rocky start.

I think we have sufficiently proven that we will defeat our enemies in combat. I think we have also sufficiently tarnished our reputation such that as soon as the official fighting is over, the resistance will begin and will not end until long after we've departed. We're doing more harm than good and it's more harmful than ever before.
 
2012-03-06 09:28:37 AM

imontheinternet: [media.247sports.com image 551x556]

Yes, China is such a huge military threat. We should all definitely be afraid and calling for wars in Iran and Syria.


The US, and most other countries on the list, all spend around 3-5% of their GDP on the military. The US economy is just a lot bigger.
 
2012-03-06 09:31:01 AM

theknuckler_33: Kinda hard to lose a war when there is no clear definition of what a victory would look like.


What victory looks like to Real Americans™
www.coolgraphic.org
www.100megsfree4.com
 
2012-03-06 09:36:56 AM

theknuckler_33: Kinda hard to lose a war when there is no clear definition of what a victory would look like.


That was the entire problem. We had no idea what 'victory' would be, and thus, no real goal. We were just fighting, seemingly for the hell of it, after a bit of time.
 
2012-03-06 09:40:21 AM
So that's like, what, a can of beans and a bullet for each soldier?
 
2012-03-06 09:42:29 AM

The Numbers: I'm impressed to see just how quickly this thread pivoted into complaining about Republicans. Usually you'd expect a least a couple of responses about the actual topic before it turns into a Republican hate-fest. Good work people.


Time is money and they're not paid to sit around and complain about China.
 
2012-03-06 09:43:18 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah

Huh? Since when do US Congressmen get votes in the UN?


since you are a dumbass. Its a resolution written up by the UN, and congress puts it on the floor for a vote. No actual congressmen go to the UN a vote this shiat. Its a dereliction of duty and totally undermines sovereignty.
 
2012-03-06 09:49:50 AM

LasersHurt: The Numbers: LasersHurt: The Numbers: I'm impressed to see just how quickly this thread pivoted into complaining about Republicans. Usually you'd expect a least a couple of responses about the actual topic before it turns into a Republican hate-fest. Good work people.

They've been working overtime to be extra vile recently, fresh in everyone's minds.

True enough. I guess I just underestimated the relevance the GOP's attitude toward women has on the issue of China's growing military spending.

A full half of that 11% rise came from Birth Control. I think the Chinese are making slut-bombs.


Interesting. Have you ever considered that the Republic opposition to contraception is an attempt to make sure the US can match the Chinese numerically?. Currently we're outnumbered more than 3 to 1.

Birth control weakens America's military.
 
2012-03-06 09:52:55 AM
It is easy to lose wars when you have to hand them over to Democrats.
 
2012-03-06 09:55:10 AM

Carth: The US, and most other countries on the list, all spend around 3-5% of their GDP on the military. The US economy is just a lot bigger.


The point stands. A few billion in spending here or there by any country won't come anywhere near closing that gap. If China somehow manages to keep up its ~8% growth per year for the next 15 years, we have something to worry about.

Everything that is said about the Chinese economy today was being said about Japan in the 80s. It's just a smokescreen to keep people afraid.
 
2012-03-06 10:08:59 AM

Thune: It is easy to lose wars when you have to hand them over to Democrats.


lolwat?

Bush supporters are hilarious.

Thune 2011-07-12 09:59:44 AM

If 911 hadn't happenned would we be in Afghanistan? and subsequently Iraq?

No, and no.


We are in Iraq because of 911.


Makes perfect sense. To a Republican.
 
2012-03-06 10:10:38 AM

Thune: It is easy to lose wars when you have to hand them over to Democrats.


upload.wikimedia.org

So you're saying it's best to let Democrats handle the whole goddamn ordeal, right?

Of course not, you're a moron. Thinking in empty platitudes is second nature for knee-jerks.
 
2012-03-06 10:23:48 AM

DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah

Huh? Since when do US Congressmen get votes in the UN?

since you are a dumbass. Its a resolution written up by the UN, and congress puts it on the floor for a vote. No actual congressmen go to the UN a vote this shiat. Its a dereliction of duty and totally undermines sovereignty.


Oh do tell what resolution written by the UN was put up to a vote in the US Congress.
 
2012-03-06 10:25:08 AM
We didn't lose two wars! We pulled out if two prolonged conflicts. I think pulling out is as honorable as a formal ending since nobody questionsbour deadly efficiency in crushing our enemies into submission and beating the muslins. As for the nation building part, not our military or country's responsibility to do that. They should pick themselves up by the bootstraps like America did....

I'm sorry, couldn't keep that up any longer with a straight face.
 
2012-03-06 10:27:00 AM

NateGrey: If China had our Republicans they would be losing wars and trillions too.


This
 
2012-03-06 10:33:28 AM

casual disregard: shadow9d9: No, we won the wars... we lost the occupations like we always do.

shadow9d9: No, we won the wars... we lost the occupations like we always do.

shadow9d9: No, we won the wars... we lost the occupations like we always do.

I contend that the USA will never lose in combat ever again. We've been embarrassed by that in the past, we'll never allow it to happen in the future. I also contend that the USA will never win an occupation ever again. You could argue in favor of Japan, but we had deep ties to that nation since Commodore Perry and there's something to be said about shell-shock as well. You could argue in favor of Germany, but again deep ties for decades (Ferdinand von Zeppelin volunteered for the Union army, etc.) and West Germany was pretty solid from the get go after a rocky start.

I think we have sufficiently proven that we will defeat our enemies in combat. I think we have also sufficiently tarnished our reputation such that as soon as the official fighting is over, the resistance will begin and will not end until long after we've departed. We're doing more harm than good and it's more harmful than ever before.


We always forget how we subdued Germany. We didn't act buddy buddy with them and build them back up.

We killed every German male between 14 and 50 and then raped every woman in East Germany.

Then we acted buddy buddy and built them back up.

/did the quicker thing and just nuked Japan twice
//admittedly, in the case of Germany, we outsourced most of the nasty stuff to the Russians
 
2012-03-06 10:38:54 AM

imontheinternet: Carth: The US, and most other countries on the list, all spend around 3-5% of their GDP on the military. The US economy is just a lot bigger.

The point stands. A few billion in spending here or there by any country won't come anywhere near closing that gap. If China somehow manages to keep up its ~8% growth per year for the next 15 years, we have something to worry about.

Everything that is said about the Chinese economy today was being said about Japan in the 80s. It's just a smokescreen to keep people afraid.


I agree. China isn't a military threat unless we try to invade and the US does spend too much on its military. I just don't think US military spending is as absurd as the chart makes it look; I'd like us to be in the 3.5%area instead of the 4.5% of GDP.
 
2012-03-06 10:46:05 AM
Shut up! We didn't lose, it was a tie!
 
2012-03-06 10:59:53 AM

Minus1Kelvin: NateGrey: If China had our Republicans they would be losing wars and trillions too.

Wait...is that a possibility?! Can we give them our Republicans? Is that something we could work out with them?!


I live in China. You can keep Frothy, Biff, Toad, and RON PAUL.. thanguberrymush
 
2012-03-06 11:06:54 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah

Huh? Since when do US Congressmen get votes in the UN?

since you are a dumbass. Its a resolution written up by the UN, and congress puts it on the floor for a vote. No actual congressmen go to the UN a vote this shiat. Its a dereliction of duty and totally undermines sovereignty.

Oh do tell what resolution written by the UN was put up to a vote in the US Congress.


are you kidding me? You honestly do not know how to google shiat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

stop trolling. You are asking questions trying to get me to 'fark up', when your ignorance of the issue is what is really highlighted. Sorry that democrats are just as bad as republicans, if not worse. I know you want to blame everything bad republicans, but when the democratic president that gets nominated into office spouting off "hope and change", and nothing changes, you can't sit there and blame it on republicans. 2 years of a majority and all that there is to show is Omnibus bills, PATRIOT Act extension, NDAA, war in Libya w/o congressional approval, the continuation of the war on terror, and the war on drugs (which I wholly believed he would change)
 
2012-03-06 11:09:04 AM

Thune: It is easy to lose wars when you have to hand them over to Democrats.


Yeah, those Democrats, always appeasing dictators like Muammar Ghaddafi. I can't believe Obama didn't bomb him for two years, before Bush's military finally took him out.
 
2012-03-06 11:16:07 AM

DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah

Huh? Since when do US Congressmen get votes in the UN?

since you are a dumbass. Its a resolution written up by the UN, and congress puts it on the floor for a vote. No actual congressmen go to the UN a vote this shiat. Its a dereliction of duty and totally undermines sovereignty.

Oh do tell what resolution written by the UN was put up to a vote in the US Congress.

are you kidding me? You honestly do not know how to google shiat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

stop trolling. You are asking questions trying to get me to 'fark up', when your ignorance of the issue is what is really highlighted. Sorry that democrats are just as bad as republicans, if not worse. I know you want to blame everything bad republicans, but when the democratic president that gets nominated into office spouting off "hope and change", and nothing changes, you can't sit there and blame it on republicans. 2 years of a majority and all that there is to show is Omnibus bills, PATRIOT Act extension, NDAA, war in Libya w/o congressional approval, the continuation of the war on terror, and the war on drugs (which I wholly believed he would change)


So where's that resolution written by the UN, voted on by Congress?
 
2012-03-06 11:21:55 AM

imontheinternet: Yes, China is such a huge military threat. We should all definitely be afraid and calling for wars in Iran and Syria.



Relative spending is a poor way to analyze a threat. And by "poor" I mean "farking stupid".
 
2012-03-06 11:27:23 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah

Huh? Since when do US Congressmen get votes in the UN?

since you are a dumbass. Its a resolution written up by the UN, and congress puts it on the floor for a vote. No actual congressmen go to the UN a vote this shiat. Its a dereliction of duty and totally undermines sovereignty.

Oh do tell what resolution written by the UN was put up to a vote in the US Congress.

are you kidding me? You honestly do not know how to google shiat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

stop trolling. You are asking questions trying to get me to 'fark up', when your ignorance of the issue is what is really highlighted. Sorry that democrats are just as bad as republicans, if not worse. I know you want to blame everything bad republicans, but when the democratic president that gets nominated into office spouting off "hope and change", and nothing changes, you can't sit there and blame it on republicans. 2 years of a majority and all that there is to show is Omnibus bills, PATRIOT Act extension, NDAA, war in Libya w/o congressional approval, the continuation of the war on terror, and the war on drugs (which I wholly believed he would change)

So where's that resolution written by the UN, voted on by Congress?


Oh, I get it, you can't read.
 
2012-03-06 11:29:34 AM

DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah

Huh? Since when do US Congressmen get votes in the UN?

since you are a dumbass. Its a resolution written up by the UN, and congress puts it on the floor for a vote. No actual congressmen go to the UN a vote this shiat. Its a dereliction of duty and totally undermines sovereignty.

Oh do tell what resolution written by the UN was put up to a vote in the US Congress.

are you kidding me? You honestly do not know how to google shiat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

stop trolling. You are asking questions trying to get me to 'fark up', when your ignorance of the issue is what is really highlighted. Sorry that democrats are just as bad as republicans, if not worse. I know you want to blame everything bad republicans, but when the democratic president that gets nominated into office spouting off "hope and change", and nothing changes, you can't sit there and blame it on republicans. 2 years of a majority and all that there is to show is Omnibus bills, PATRIOT Act extension, NDAA, war in Libya w/o congressional approval, the continuation of the war on terror, and the war on drugs (which I wholly believed he would change)

So where's that resolution written by the UN, voted on by Congress?

Oh, I get it, you can't read.


Still no resolution written by the UN that the Congress voted on, huh?
 
2012-03-06 11:39:25 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: War? I thought war was declared by congress, not by the President thru UN approval.

Also the people on here blaming republicans for the war (which they should, along with democrats who voted for the UN resolution), tend not to see that the current president is continuing the wars, and starting new shiat. So nyah

Huh? Since when do US Congressmen get votes in the UN?

since you are a dumbass. Its a resolution written up by the UN, and congress puts it on the floor for a vote. No actual congressmen go to the UN a vote this shiat. Its a dereliction of duty and totally undermines sovereignty.

Oh do tell what resolution written by the UN was put up to a vote in the US Congress.

are you kidding me? You honestly do not know how to google shiat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

stop trolling. You are asking questions trying to get me to 'fark up', when your ignorance of the issue is what is really highlighted. Sorry that democrats are just as bad as republicans, if not worse. I know you want to blame everything bad republicans, but when the democratic president that gets nominated into office spouting off "hope and change", and nothing changes, you can't sit there and blame it on republicans. 2 years of a majority and all that there is to show is Omnibus bills, PATRIOT Act extension, NDAA, war in Libya w/o congressional approval, the continuation of the war on terror, and the war on drugs (which I wholly believed he would change)

So where's that resolution written by the UN, voted on by Congress?

Oh, I get it, you can't read.

Still no resolution written by the UN that the Congress voted on, huh?


please, please read. Its right there. It is on the webpage. Its written in English. All it takes is time and effort. You are pretty much the worst kind of troll, one who knows they are wrong, but want to argue with the person, not the facts. go away
 
2012-03-06 11:44:13 AM

DozeNutz: please, please read. Its right there. It is on the webpage. Its written in English. All it takes is time and effort. You are pretty much the worst kind of troll, one who knows they are wrong, but want to argue with the person, not the facts. go away




The wikipedia page? Try reading all the words closely. No mention of a resolution written by the UN voted on by the US Congress.
 
2012-03-06 11:50:27 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: DozeNutz: please, please read. Its right there. It is on the webpage. Its written in English. All it takes is time and effort. You are pretty much the worst kind of troll, one who knows they are wrong, but want to argue with the person, not the facts. go away



The wikipedia page? Try reading all the words closely. No mention of a resolution written by the UN voted on by the US Congress.


Military engagements authorized by United Nations Security Council Resolutions and funded by Congress

In many instances, the United States has engaged in extended military engagements that were authorized by United Nations Security Council Resolutions and funded by appropriations from Congress.
Military Engagement Opponent(s) Initial Authorization President Conclusion
Korean War North Korea

People's Republic of China
UNSCR 84, 1950 Harry S. Truman Armistice[11] 1953
Multinational Force in Lebanon Shia militia,

Druze miltia, Syria
UNSCR 425, 1978

UNSCR 426, 1978
Jimmy Carter

Ronald Reagan
US forces withdrew in 1984
Gulf War,

also known as Operation Desert Storm
Iraq UNSCR 678, 1990 George H. W. Bush UNSCR 689, 1991
Bosnian War

also known as UNPROFOR
Republika Srpska UNSCR 770, 1992

UNSCR 776, 1992 UNSCR 836, 1993
Bill Clinton Reflagged as IFOR in 1995,

Reflagged as SFOR in 1996, Completed in 2004
Second Liberian Civil War Peacekeeping UNSCR 1497, 2003 George W. Bush US Forces withdraw in 2003 after UNMIL is established
2004 Haitian coup d'état,

also known as MINUSTAH
UNSCR 1529, 2004

UNSCR 1542, 2004
2004
2011 Military Intervention in Libya

also known as Operation Odyssey Dawn
Libya UNSCR 1973, 2011 Barack Obama October 31, 2011

WOW ITS RIGHT THERE! I'm done, you have just been served
 
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